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Question about European feudalism.

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have m...
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just walk outside bro
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Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the la...
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Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitar...
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(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded ...
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They were better because you had different tribal clans owni...
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read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of ...
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Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the P...
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what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?
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it was a nanny state.
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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM
Author: vibrant burgundy lay

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2"#23393887)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM
Author: lime piazza

just walk outside bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2"#48969812)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM
Author: lime piazza

(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2"#48969813)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2"#49098591)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM
Author: impressive sandwich

Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence?

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2"#48969854)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM
Author: flatulent topaz point

Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2"#48969860)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM
Author: impressive sandwich

(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2"#48969863)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM
Author: flatulent topaz point

They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2"#48969954)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: impressive sandwich

read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2"#48971066)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: Sable death wish

Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2"#49065184)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM
Author: pontificating racy theater

what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2"#48970037)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM
Author: shimmering church cuckold

cq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2"#48970041)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM
Author: misunderstood contagious deer antler spot

I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2"#48985033)



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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM
Author: Sable death wish

teen black death survivors were the original Boomers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2"#49065206)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM
Author: crawly pearl trailer park clown

i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2"#48997602)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM
Author: slate startled partner

Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2"#49065026)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM
Author: Fear-inspiring tantric casino voyeur

really depended on the country, the region, and the lord

removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2"#49105022)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM
Author: Sadistic travel guidebook kitty cat

It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2"#49421865)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 10:06 PM
Author: barnabyjones

it was a nanny state.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2"#49458174)