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MLB Bros: Is Skenes' Cy Young @ 10-10 Worst For SP? (De Grom Won @ 10-9, 11-8)

king felix won at 13-12. obv relief pitchers have won wit...
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  10/19/25
didnt some closers with a losing record win?
full-time AI slop consumer
  10/19/25
Apparently only Gagne in '03.
CriminalConversation
  10/19/25
n.b. looks like sutter won a cy @ 6-6
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  10/20/25
yes, hence "SP" in the thread title and "obv ...
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  10/19/25
sheeit
full-time AI slop consumer
  10/19/25
cy young was a great pitcher, but he didn't get a lot of win...
sealclubber
  10/19/25
good point
full-time AI slop consumer
  10/19/25
Cr it's not the Cy WINS award
Bobbum Man
  10/20/25
He literally has the most wins and the most losses of any ML...
Karlstank
  10/20/25
you cant just magically win games as a pitcher when you dont...
Covid was a Hoax
  10/20/25
poor RC? nobody ITT is shitting on skenes. ITT we all recogn...
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  10/20/25
See: 2004 NL Cy Young, where Clemens beat Big Unit because R...
Sigmund Groid
  10/20/25
great example. yankee fan who loved clemens then -- even aft...
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  10/20/25
Randy was 40 years old that year and threw a perfect game. ...
Sigmund Groid
  10/20/25
Did randy juice?
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  10/20/25
Only 3 players pitched 200+ innings. In 2019, 15 pitchers...
Candy Ride
  10/20/25
these guys still have as many injuries and tommy john surger...
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  10/20/25


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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:48 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


king felix won at 13-12.

obv relief pitchers have won with worse or losing records, but incredible how far baseball has come that a 10-10 record can win a cy young.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2/#49360991)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:49 PM
Author: full-time AI slop consumer

didnt some closers with a losing record win?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2/#49360993)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:57 PM
Author: CriminalConversation

Apparently only Gagne in '03.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2/#49361004)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 12:00 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


n.b. looks like sutter won a cy @ 6-6

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2/#49361009)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


yes, hence "SP" in the thread title and "obv relief pitchers" int he OP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2/#49361006)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:59 PM
Author: full-time AI slop consumer

sheeit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2/#49361008)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: sealclubber

cy young was a great pitcher, but he didn't get a lot of wins

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2/#49361005)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: full-time AI slop consumer

good point

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2/#49361007)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: Bobbum Man

Cr it's not the Cy WINS award

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2/#49361025)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 1:27 AM
Author: Karlstank

He literally has the most wins and the most losses of any MLB pitcher ever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2/#49361092)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 1:29 AM
Author: Covid was a Hoax

you cant just magically win games as a pitcher when you dont give up any runs to begin with.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2/#49361097)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 8:00 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


poor RC? nobody ITT is shitting on skenes. ITT we all recognize he's on a terrible team

the issue ITT is discussion of a fundamental shift in baseball thinking -- away from wins and losses, and toward advance stats. which is a good thing. a guy with a 10-10 record and a sub-2 ERA would never have won the cy prior to ~15 years ago bc of hur durr writers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2/#49361267)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 8:14 AM
Author: Sigmund Groid

See: 2004 NL Cy Young, where Clemens beat Big Unit because Roger was 18-4 while Randy was 16-14. Randy led the league in WAR (8.4 to Roger's 5.4), strike outs, WHIP, ERA+, and had 2.60 ERA to Roger's 2.98.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_2004.shtml#all_NL_CYA_voting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2/#49361279)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 9:27 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


great example. yankee fan who loved clemens then -- even after he left -- and i was totally fine with that outcome at the time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2/#49361383)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 10:49 AM
Author: Sigmund Groid

Randy was 40 years old that year and threw a perfect game.

Ben Sheets actually also had way better stats than Roger but because he played in Milwaukee nobody gave a shit and he only got ONE tiny pink vote

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2/#49361544)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 11:07 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


Did randy juice?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2/#49361583)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 9:55 AM
Author: Candy Ride

Only 3 players pitched 200+ innings.

In 2019, 15 pitchers did that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2/#49361421)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 10:21 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


these guys still have as many injuries and tommy john surgeries despite all this pussy pitch count crap

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2/#49361477)