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Another "whoa looks like young adult men don't give a fuck anymore" WSJ article

Cause: unknown other than not being able to compete on a lev...
Risten
  09/30/24
No replacement. No culling. No "entrenched capital inte...
jfr
  09/30/24
...
grape vine
  09/30/24
Sincerely, Little Girl
Sean South of Garryowen
  09/30/24
well, what we certainly don't need right now is the Jewish f...
Kenneth Peacock Tynan
  09/30/24
"Until the past decade or so, “there was an assum...
coq
  09/30/24
libs actually believe this
Sean South of Garryowen
  09/30/24
it's amazing how we got by for so long without cutting edge ...
Kenneth Peacock Tynan
  09/30/24
Chairman of the Christopher's Disease Foundation https://sp...
Risten
  09/30/24
I was going to pull that quote too. Just lmao at the word ch...
Bill (((Goldberg)))
  09/30/24
It's a shame we lost all those cushy heavy manufacturing and...
coq
  09/30/24
Most of these stats are driven by demographic change. Fo...
jsm
  09/30/24
So you’re saying things are in fact A-OK or at least u...
grape vine
  09/30/24
no, but media do constantly play tricks with these stats dri...
Kenneth Peacock Tynan
  09/30/24
No way White women are responsible for 100% of liberal bulls...
excellent poaster
  09/30/24
true
Kenneth Peacock Tynan
  09/30/24
lol gas yourself, you retarded kike parasite
excellent poaster
  09/30/24
nigjeet rape pits, tp
Enema Licensure Curation
  09/30/24
This is retarded. White women are orders of magnitude more s...
Gen X redditor haggling xbox S price
  09/30/24
the same percentage of whites vote democrat as always, rough...
Kenneth Peacock Tynan
  09/30/24
I literally disclaimed that exact reading of my poast.
jsm
  09/30/24
You’re just sniffing your own farts with no actual sub...
grape vine
  09/30/24
Grr why won’t goyim CARE about my stupid kike BULLSHIT
excellent poaster
  09/30/24
Girls can fuck rich older men and move out of the house earl...
PrestigeWhore
  09/30/24
...
,,.,.,,,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,,.,.,.,..,.,
  09/30/24
Seems like they don't have a lot of happy customers! Also...
Ass Sunstein
  09/30/24


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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:04 PM
Author: Risten

Cause: unknown other than not being able to compete on a level playing field with GRRRRLS!

https://archive.is/qX4G1

America’s Young Men Are Falling Even Further Behind

Men in their 20s and early 30s are much more likely than female peers to live with their parents, and many say they feel aimless and isolated

Benjamin Moreno and his mother, Joana, preparing a family lunch.

Benjamin Moreno and his mother, Joana, preparing a family lunch.

By Rachel Wolfe | Photographs by Alfonso Duran for WSJ

Sept. 28, 2024 9:00 pm ET

In Spanish, parents call it encaminado: making sure your children are on the path to an independent adulthood.

Out of Dan and Joana Moreno’s four grown kids, only their daughter is encaminada. She recently graduated from business school and got engaged. The Morenos’ three adult sons are still sleeping in their Miami childhood bedrooms. The younger two dropped out of college, and the oldest never went. All three are single. Their only work experience is with the family business.

“Something has gone amiss here,” says their father, Dan, who owns the repair chain Flamingo Appliance Service. “We love them, we love having them around, but that’s not how you build a life.”

The life trajectories of America’s sons and daughters are diverging.

Presented with a more-equal playing field, young women are seizing the opportunities in front of them, while young men are floundering. The phenomenon has developed over the past decade, but was supercharged by the pandemic, which derailed careers, schooling and isolated friends and families. The result has big implications for the economy.

More women ages 25 to 34 have entered the workforce in recent years than ever. The share of young men in the labor market, meanwhile, hasn’t grown in a decade.

As of August, 89% of this cohort of men were employed or looking for work, more than 700,000 fewer than if the current labor-force participation rate was at 2004 levels, according to an analysis of Bureau of Labor Statistics data by Aspen Economic Strategy Group policy director Luke Pardue. Women’s participation is up 6 percentage points in just the past 10 years, to 79%. A fifth of men in this same age range still lived with their parents as of 2023, according to the Census, compared with 12% of women.

Among noncaregivers who aren’t disabled, men are more likely to be neither employed, in school nor in workforce training, what economists refer to as NEET. Around 260,000 more 16- to 29-year-old men than women fell into this category as of the first half of 2024, according to think tank the Center for Economic and Policy Research, representing 8.6% of young men and 7.8% of young women. Rates are up for both groups since 2019, but down from a Covid high.

Until the past decade or so, “there was an assumption that men just needed to show up for their life and they’ll get a job and have a family and be provided for, because they’re men,” says University of Maryland masculinity researcher Kevin M. Roy.

That is no longer true. While women now expect to have more and better opportunities than their mothers and grandmothers, men are in some ways bracing for the opposite. Researchers say that has created a crisis of purpose, especially for men at the entrance to adulthood.

Joana and Dan Moreno, at top, have three of their four adult children living with them, including Benjamin, 19, and Daniel, 26.

Roy and other social scientists cite shifts away from traditional gender roles and single-earner family structures, as well as declines in traditionally male-dominated industries such as manufacturing. Women, conversely, are flooding the labor market, thanks in part to more remote work opportunities. The divergence isn’t just economic: Young men and women are also further apart on political and social issues.

“The sense a lot of young men have is not being sure that they are needed or that they are going to be needed by their families, by their communities, by society,” says Richard Reeves, president of the American Institute for Boys and Men, a nonpartisan research organization.

One of the first clues popped up a few years ago, when educators began sounding the alarm on high-school boys’ plummeting college-attendance rates. Now that this cohort is in their 20s, their feelings of aimlessness are spilling into the social and professional realms.

Take Dan and Joana Moreno’s middle son, 25-year-old Daniel, who left college midway through his sophomore year after indecision about his major spiraled into a larger existential crisis.

“I just felt so, so lost,” Daniel says. “I didn’t know what I was doing it for.” Five years later, he is still living with his parents and working for his dad’s company, in a product-manager role that he is grateful for but doesn’t necessarily see a future in. He hopes to go back to school to study a subject he is more passionate about—maybe journalism, or veterinary medicine or botany—but he doesn’t know what it would take to get there, or where to find the motivation to start.

“Nothing is really stopping me,” he says. “It’s just myself, standing in my own way.”

Daniel Moreno works from home, helping manage his family’s appliance-repair business.

While Daniel dropped out before the Covid-19 pandemic, he blames quarantine in part for his transition from a popular high-schooler to a self-described homebody. Researchers concur.

“The pandemic has impacted everyone in different ways, but it’s had a disproportionate effect on the group we were already worried about,” Reeves says.

Men rely more heavily on in-person activities to maintain social connections, Reeves says, and have a tougher time recovering after a setback.

“They’re not as able to talk about their feelings, so they are going to have fewer friendships with other men and suffer more psychologically,” says Niobe Way, a professor of developmental psychology at New York University.

Young men are lonelier as a result. Those ages 18 to 30 spent 18% more time alone last year—an average of 6.6 nonsleeping hours—than in 2019, according to Pardue’s analysis of American Time Use Survey data. That is 22% more alone time than reported by women in the same age range.

“The more that you’re sitting on the couch as opposed to out in the world, your social network gets narrower and then you don’t have the social capital or the skills to step into a job,” says Gary Barker, the director of Equimundo, a progressive gender-equality advocacy organization.

Nearly two-thirds of the 18- to 30-year-old men Equimundo polled last year said that nobody knew them well. A quarter said they hadn’t seen anyone outside their home in the past week.

After Ronan Convery missed out on his senior prom and final year on the wrestling team due to pandemic restrictions, he went into college eager to make up for lost social opportunities. He quickly fell in with a group of students he describes as heavy on drinking and light on going to class.

“I was so ready to be back to hanging out with people in person that I didn’t actually spend the time to think, ‘Hey, are these people I’m hanging out with good people?’” says Convery, now 21. “I turned off all my safety warnings.”

Ronan Convery is bouncing back after his first year away at school derailed.

His grades and mental health quickly deteriorated. “I had no idea how to moderate,” Convery says, adding that choking on his own vomit after drinking too much one night was a wake-up call. “I had no idea about the dangers of what I was doing, how it affected my brain, my mood, my everything.”

He didn’t return to school after coming back to his dad’s place for his freshman summer, and says he has only recently emerged from a fugue of guilt and anger over how dramatically his first attempt at adulthood derailed. He has been taking online classes, and recently got a promotion at the retail job where he has been working for the past year.

He has also overhauled his approach to friendship to prioritize emotional honesty. “It’s definitely a true stereotype that men say they’re fine instead of getting feedback and criticism and all the useful things you need to grow,” he says. And he has gone to individual and group therapy to overcome his depression.

Many in Convery’s position don’t get the help they need. The suicide rate for men ages 25 to 34 is up 30% between 2010 and 2023, according to Reeves’s analysis of the most recent Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data, the biggest increase among any age cohort. That is a departure from years past, when deaths in middle age outpaced other groups.

“We’re losing a lot more years of life now,” Reeves says.

Ethan Myers, 25, says he has often felt like an outsider looking in on his own life, rather than the one in control of it.

He has moved past his own mental-health struggles but has had trouble finding a well-paying job, or even figuring what he wants to do with a GED but no college degree.

“I feel like there are many paths, but there is no set goal,” says Myers, who lives with his mom in Silver Spring, Md. “The only thing I want to do is to make sure my parents are taken care of.”

He recently decided to take a break from a plumbing trade program after stints in the food-service industry. And, while he is all for the advancement of women, he longs for the days when he would have been able to more easily slot into the role of a provider for his family.

“I’m not sure what I want out of life,” says Myers. “And that’s the problem.”

Benjamin Moreno is aiming to return to school full-time in the spring.

Back in Miami, the Morenos’ youngest son, Benjamin, is fed up with feeling like he is on a year-round summer break. He left college after his first semester when, like his older brother Daniel, he couldn’t figure out what he was doing there.

“I felt like I wasn’t doing it for myself,” says Benjamin, 19. “I felt like I was doing it for the people around me and for my parents.”

In the nine months since, he says he has been up to “really not much.” He has a part-time internship with a company affiliated with his dad’s business, and helps his mom around the house.

“I don’t do well if I just stay in the same place and I don’t communicate with a lot of people for a long time,” he says. “So it hasn’t been great.”

After waffling over his next moves, he decided to sign up for a few business classes for the fall. He hopes to return to school full-time in the spring.

“I want to try again,” he says. “And I want it to be for me.”

For over 20 years, young voters have supported Democratic candidates. But WSJ polling from 2024 shows a growing number are supporting the Republican party, especially young men. WSJ’s Aaron Zitner explains why. Illustration: Annie Zhao

Copyright ©2024 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved. 87990cbe856818d5eddac44c7b1cdeb8

Appeared in the September 30, 2024, print edition as 'Gender Gap Widens: Young Men in U.S. Keep Falling Behind

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603875&forum_id=2/#48146873)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:08 PM
Author: jfr

No replacement. No culling. No "entrenched capital interests want a more pliant, less established, deracinated-by-default class of serf to deal with"

Eggs have always been 7$ to the dozen and Biden's cognitive health is perfect, as he is the best candidate for the job. Kamala is now the nominee. She is the better candidate for the job. You may have heard rumors that Biden's mental faculties are failing; these rumors are incorrect. Biden, president, is the second best candidate for the job. The job is president.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603875&forum_id=2/#48146891)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:24 PM
Author: grape vine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603875&forum_id=2/#48146931)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:27 PM
Author: Sean South of Garryowen

Sincerely,

Little Girl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603875&forum_id=2/#48146947)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:25 PM
Author: Kenneth Peacock Tynan

well, what we certainly don't need right now is the Jewish female social worker slant on the problem. not reading another of these. the solution lies elsewhere.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603875&forum_id=2/#48146938)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:27 PM
Author: coq

"Until the past decade or so, “there was an assumption that men just needed to show up for their life and they’ll get a job and have a family and be provided for, because they’re men,” says University of Maryland masculinity researcher Kevin M. Roy."

LMAO c'mon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603875&forum_id=2/#48146944)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:28 PM
Author: Sean South of Garryowen

libs actually believe this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603875&forum_id=2/#48146948)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:31 PM
Author: Kenneth Peacock Tynan

it's amazing how we got by for so long without cutting edge 'masculinity research' such as this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603875&forum_id=2/#48146960)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:44 PM
Author: Risten

Chairman of the Christopher's Disease Foundation

https://sph.umd.edu/people/kevin-roy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603875&forum_id=2/#48146986)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:16 PM
Author: Bill (((Goldberg)))

I was going to pull that quote too. Just lmao at the word choice. The woman is staying at home, the man is working some bullshit job to pay the bills, but it is the man who is being "PROVIDED FOR" in that scenario.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603875&forum_id=2/#48147116)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:22 PM
Author: coq

It's a shame we lost all those cushy heavy manufacturing and coal mining jobs. Those were 180 sinecures.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603875&forum_id=2/#48147140)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:33 PM
Author: jsm

Most of these stats are driven by demographic change.

For example -- Even if 25 y/o White guys are and 25 y/o Hispanic guys are the exact same in this regard as they were 30 years ago, the stats will make it look like 25 y/o's on the whole are "stuck" because being "stuck" like this is a common feature of Hispanic culture and Hispanics now make up basically 50% of 25 y/o's -- instead of the 10% they did 30 years ago.

Obviously there's more to it than that, but it's absurd to have an article like this without mentioning that you're talking about a different demographic profile.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603875&forum_id=2/#48146965)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:36 PM
Author: grape vine

So you’re saying things are in fact A-OK or at least unchanged for white 25 y/os?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603875&forum_id=2/#48146967)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:40 PM
Author: Kenneth Peacock Tynan

no, but media do constantly play tricks with these stats driven stories by not accounting for massive demographic change.

NYT claims that 'women' are XX% more liberal than 30 years ago, but when you look at the numbers, it's basically the same % among white women, while hispanic/nonwhite women are massively skewing the %. they conceal this shamelessly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603875&forum_id=2/#48146973)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:25 PM
Author: excellent poaster

No way White women are responsible for 100% of liberal bullshit in America, and we need to get rid of them and feed them into nigjeet rape pits of some sort so we can save Israel, the only conservative nation on earth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603875&forum_id=2/#48147151)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:30 PM
Author: Kenneth Peacock Tynan

true

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603875&forum_id=2/#48147168)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:36 PM
Author: excellent poaster

lol gas yourself, you retarded kike parasite

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603875&forum_id=2/#48147182)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:37 PM
Author: Enema Licensure Curation

nigjeet rape pits, tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603875&forum_id=2/#48147185)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:39 PM
Author: Gen X redditor haggling xbox S price

This is retarded. White women are orders of magnitude more shitlib than they used to be.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603875&forum_id=2/#48147188)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:40 PM
Author: Kenneth Peacock Tynan

the same percentage of whites vote democrat as always, roughly speaking.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603875&forum_id=2/#48147189)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:24 PM
Author: jsm

I literally disclaimed that exact reading of my poast.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603875&forum_id=2/#48147145)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:28 PM
Author: grape vine

You’re just sniffing your own farts with no actual substantive point here, hth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603875&forum_id=2/#48147161)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:19 PM
Author: excellent poaster

Grr why won’t goyim CARE about my stupid kike BULLSHIT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603875&forum_id=2/#48147124)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:23 PM
Author: PrestigeWhore

Girls can fuck rich older men and move out of the house earlier. How is this surprising to anyone?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603875&forum_id=2/#48147144)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:25 PM
Author: ,,.,.,,,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,,.,.,.,..,.,




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603875&forum_id=2/#48147152)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:55 PM
Author: Ass Sunstein

Seems like they don't have a lot of happy customers!

Also other than installations, "appliance repair" is just not a concept that makes sense economically anymore given the cost of labor ($150 just to get someone to come by) and the cost of just getting a new appliance.

https://www.yelp.com/biz/flamingo-appliance-service-miami

My I.

FL, FL

04

Jul 10, 2024

I would give zero stars if I could.

I had an appointment 7-9-24 between 2-5

To fix my ice maker. I missed the techs call by 8 minutes. After 3 return calls and 3 text no word back from the tech. I called the office 1 hour after all the calls and text to be told we can't come today. We will see you tomorrow. Now I have to miss a 2nd day of work to get something fixed that was supposed to be done yesterday. I had an 11-2 appointment today. I missed the service techs call by 20 minutes and called the office immediately only to be told they can't come again.

20 minutes REALLY. WORST CUSTOMER SERVICE EVER. HIRE ANYONE ELSE IF YOU VALUE YOUR TIME. FLAMINGO APPLIANCE SERVICE DOES NOT VALUE YOUR TIME OR YOU BEING A CUSTOMER

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603875&forum_id=2/#48147231)