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Why is rushing considered a less legitimate way to win than passing?
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Date: September 27th, 2024 10:29 AM Author: sadistic boiling water piazza Look at Michigan’s win over USC. People are like “yeah, but, they did it by rushing.” If they had won by passing no one would be questioning it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48137051) |
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Date: September 28th, 2024 10:14 PM Author: elite bateful spot voyeur No one says that. What are you talking about? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48141823) |
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Date: September 29th, 2024 12:25 PM Author: mischievous filthy half-breed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48143050) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 11:57 AM Author: frisky amber stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48146076) |
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Date: October 6th, 2024 9:59 AM Author: snowy bat shit crazy new version (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48168641) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 12:07 PM Author: big mildly autistic goal in life you are a mentally retarded jewish pedophile and literally no one has ever said this. also you apparently went to michigan, which makes sense because you're a kike who has never been laid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48146105) |
Date: September 27th, 2024 10:32 AM Author: fragrant ruddy dysfunction A win is a win, the point of the critique is that a team that can't pass has a lot less margin for error on the defensive side. Running by its nature doesn't stop the clock as much, which means running teams rarely score points quickly. So if they fall behind substantially (say 2-3 touchdowns) they have two choices and both of them are bad-- they can either run and chew up too much clock, probably not having enough time to catch up or they can switch to the pass which they're bad at, which probably will not work.
This is much less true of teams that are good at passing but bad at rushing-- if they want to switch to chewing up clock, it doesn't take any skill to run, run, run, punt and even one first down will get a new set of downs to chew up yet more clock.
Bringing this back to Michigan, they're frauds because if they fall behind they have no way to catch up. |
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Date: September 27th, 2024 10:37 AM Author: sadistic boiling water piazza But they didn’t fall behind. They jumped out to a 14-0 lead over USC on two long rushing TDs and people still act like their win was fraud because it was based on rushing yards and rushing TDs instead of passing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48137075) |
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Date: September 27th, 2024 10:49 AM Author: fragrant ruddy dysfunction Criticizing Michigan is more about projecting their ability to win future games. A win is a win in the stat books, how you get there matters a lot in evaluating how good your team actually is. Michigan will fall behind and get fucked when faced with a better team, book it done. They will get fucked by at least Oregon and Ohio State, but possibly more than that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48137103) |
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Date: September 27th, 2024 10:51 AM Author: sadistic boiling water piazza USC was ranked #11 and everyone thought Michigan would get blown out by USC. How’d that work out? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48137108) |
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Date: September 27th, 2024 10:53 AM Author: fragrant ruddy dysfunction Are you being paid to troll for Michigan or are you being this obtuse for free (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48137112) |
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Date: September 27th, 2024 11:06 AM Author: sadistic boiling water piazza What’s wrong with winning by rushing? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48137142) |
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Date: September 27th, 2024 11:23 AM Author: fragrant ruddy dysfunction Nothing is wrong with winning by rushing. But a team that can't pass, which Michigan seemingly can't, has severe disadvantages for reasons that have already been explained to you. A non-passing team is not a realistic candidate for a championship in the modern era. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48137195) |
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Date: September 27th, 2024 11:27 AM Author: amethyst library why not both? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48137201) |
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Date: September 27th, 2024 3:05 PM Author: sadistic boiling water piazza What about a passing team that can’t rush? Why is that better? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48138101) |
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Date: October 6th, 2024 8:38 AM Author: fragrant ruddy dysfunction This doesn't exist or at least not in the same way. Even a team that's horrible at rushing can kill the clock if they need to-- their RB can at least run it three times for a yard or two or they can do simple high percentage passes to the flat and stay in bounds, etc. A pass orientated team can switch to killing the clock if they need to. A team that can only rush can't switch to a high speed offense if they need to. A team that can't pass will win games, but they cannot win a championship in the modern era. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48168489) |
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Date: September 27th, 2024 11:03 AM Author: clear tantric meetinghouse the spread at kickoff was USC by 4.5 points. most observers thought there were two real possibilities: - usc has a lot of success passing and wins by a lot - in a close, hard-fought game, usc wins by a little
turns out it was a close game but michigan won by a little |
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Date: September 27th, 2024 3:04 PM Author: godawful degenerate patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48138098) |
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Date: September 27th, 2024 11:08 AM Author: clear tantric meetinghouse to answer your question, people doubt michigan because they don't seem to be able to pass AT ALL. the pass protection is weak, the receivers aren't getting open, and the current qb has a very limited ability to read a defense.
last year michigan could pass (and do it really well) but chose to be conservative and chew clock on offense by running a lot. no one doubted that team. |
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Date: September 27th, 2024 11:16 AM Author: sadistic boiling water piazza And yet they still beat #11 USC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48137166) |
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Date: September 27th, 2024 3:07 PM Author: claret ape jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48138109) |
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Date: September 27th, 2024 11:19 AM Author: Racy therapy not exactly what you’re asking but imo for the college game some of the disapproval is that athletic teams with top recruits have a natural advantage in the trenches and can win with a run game that isn’t even good, it just works because the O line can create multiple huge holes without any sophisticated scheming or anything. you end up with runners running all over lesser competition and it’s just kind of shitty to watch. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48137176) |
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Date: September 27th, 2024 11:21 AM Author: sadistic boiling water piazza Is #11 USC considered “lesser competition” though? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48137184) |
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Date: September 27th, 2024 11:25 AM Author: Racy therapy if you’re only interested in discussing one game despite the generalization in your title, that’s fine. I’m saying this issue, which has been pronounced for years in CFB, has led to some generalized distaste for run-run-run teams at the top (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48137197) |
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Date: September 27th, 2024 11:27 AM Author: clear tantric meetinghouse wtf are you trying to get at? usc's defense was abysmal the last few years but has taken some significant steps forward this year. they're still not great and mistake prone. michigan was one of their worst match ups of the year and they played pretty well in a tough environment. usc could still run the table.
michigan's win still isn't that impressive |
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Date: September 27th, 2024 2:56 PM Author: sadistic boiling water piazza yep, USC still played pretty well. Michigan otoh was pure shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48138080) |
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Date: September 27th, 2024 4:11 PM Author: Supple nighttime nowag harbaugh ran an incredibly elegant running scheme it's truly a beautiful thing to witness and goes all the way back to his Stanford days (maybe even sd state). It's definitely not just throwing 5*s at the dl and hoping it works out. I assume some of that has carried over (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48138286) |
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Date: September 28th, 2024 6:00 PM Author: sadistic boiling water piazza Michigan did it again and people are MAF about it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48141176) |
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Date: September 28th, 2024 7:04 PM Author: claret ape jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48141333) |
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Date: September 28th, 2024 7:08 PM Author: swashbuckling brunch pendulum seems to be swinging back at least in college. if you acknowledge youre playing a peer team (which michigan and minnesota and usc might all be tbh) its a good strategy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48141343) |
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Date: September 28th, 2024 10:13 PM Author: arousing jade messiness Football is a complex game that relies a lot on trickery and misdirection.
If you look at the total amount of all the things a football offense can do, passing is probably 70% and running is at most 30%. And the optimal defense against those 30% looks pretty similar.
So if you're only running the ball, yeah you can beat a team if you have vastly better talent/execution - but it's like a pitcher who only has a great fastball.
As a major leaguer he can probably strike out most minor leaguers. But it's not going to be great when the other team has major leage hitters, and your major league hitter is up against a pitcher with that same great fastball, plus a curve, plus a change up, plus a slider.
There's a chance you can beat them with just a fast ball - but any hitter is going to tell you that fast ball is a lot easier to hit when you know its the only pitch coming. |
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Date: September 29th, 2024 1:13 PM Author: Maize Idiotic University (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48143215) |
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Date: September 29th, 2024 12:23 PM Author: sadistic boiling water piazza a lot of MAF passmos ITT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48143039) |
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Date: September 29th, 2024 1:13 PM Author: Maize Idiotic University seems like you’re the one who’s maf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48143214) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 10:09 AM Author: Supple nighttime nowag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48145658) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 1:13 PM Author: frisky amber stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48146404) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 10:42 AM Author: Charcoal philosopher-king casino Is this the same OP who poasts the semi-retarded aaron judge-trolling threads under the premise of 'just asking questions' that then reverts to uncompromising promotion of judge (here, michigan)?
Because I really kind of enjoy this shtick. |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 10:43 AM Author: razzmatazz mental disorder prole i didn't know that dave portnoy poasted on xo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48145760) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 1:15 PM Author: swollen territorial range trump supporter lol faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48146414) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 11:52 AM Author: bright histrionic market gaping less advertising dollars for SyscoSlop and GoyGarbage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48146053) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:07 PM Author: claret ape jap I don't know. Ask the Minnesota Golden Gophers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48146884) |
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Date: October 5th, 2024 10:50 PM Author: fragrant ruddy dysfunction Where are we on this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48167980) |
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Date: October 8th, 2024 10:02 AM Author: godawful degenerate patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48176539) |
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Date: October 6th, 2024 1:11 AM Author: arousing jade messiness What happened when Michigan fell behind like teh guy tehre noted?
WEre they able to rush their way out of it? |
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Date: October 8th, 2024 10:02 AM Author: godawful degenerate patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48176541) |
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Date: October 6th, 2024 1:23 AM Author: 180 step-uncle's house telephone I remember an era in the NFL when the reverse was considered true. Teams that ran the ball were considered salt of the earth types, and teams that threw the ball a lot were seen as flashy and suspect. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48168231) |
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Date: October 6th, 2024 1:23 AM Author: glassy temple gay, even (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48168232) |
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Date: October 6th, 2024 3:53 AM Author: frisky amber stage cr
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Date: October 6th, 2024 1:31 AM Author: alcoholic codepig I prefer short surgical strikes for huge gains (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48168236) |
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Date: October 6th, 2024 8:56 AM Author: fragrant ruddy dysfunction It's not just baseball that's been revolutionized by analytics. We're still in the early days of football, but the surviving coaches for the most part think analytically and statistically, not about being "tough" or having virtue or whatever the fuck. Those that didn't adapt started losing and got fired. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48168521) |
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Date: October 6th, 2024 9:44 AM Author: Supple nighttime nowag That's part of it
The other part is that over the years they've made a ton of rule changes to favor passing and help qbs. Old school coaches who grew up under old rules systems hadf trouble adopting to the new reality |
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Date: October 6th, 2024 9:53 AM Author: frisky amber stage cr all the “passing leaders” are half the men that Marino and co were (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48168631) |
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Date: October 6th, 2024 8:54 AM Author: hairless embarrassed to the bone people who are hurt https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Brady (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48168513) |
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Date: October 19th, 2024 6:48 PM Author: godawful degenerate patrolman update? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48216042) |
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Date: October 19th, 2024 7:23 PM Author: fragrant ruddy dysfunction CQ, I'd be very interested to know where we are on this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48216198) |
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Date: November 11th, 2024 8:02 AM So how are the Michigan Wolverines and their rushing offense doing these days (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602186&forum_id=2/#48321500) |