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RANK the importance of these factors for success on LS exams
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Date: December 2nd, 2014 8:24 PM Author: Spectacular rusted bawdyhouse overall intelligence class participation and familiarity with materials raw time spent studying/outlining raw striverness LSAT uGPA other factors (explain) |
Date: December 2nd, 2014 8:26 PM Author: Claret Electric Sanctuary Dysfunction 1. short term memory
2. typing speed
all else irrelevant.
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Date: December 2nd, 2014 8:28 PM Author: Spectacular rusted bawdyhouse I'm talking T14 and up. I get the sense that memorizing and regurgitating an outline is less successful at my school. Plus I have word limits + open book. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2745228&forum_id=2/#26844717) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2014 8:36 PM Author: mischievous hell lol no
it's all regurgitating, knowing how to game a test, etc. protip: it doesn't matter if you know anything as long as you say it all. |
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Date: December 2nd, 2014 8:38 PM Author: Spectacular rusted bawdyhouse fuck my ass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2745228&forum_id=2/#26844764) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 1:03 AM Author: Stirring box office kitty There's some truth to this. It's a rare law school exam that really rewards deep thinking or judgment. Most of the time, you just need to recognize at a very high level what rules might be implicated and then you can largely go on autopilot (regurgitate rule, make the obvious arguments, conclude that on balance X seems more likely here). You do need a bit of a filter though--you can't do well by discussing irrelevant rules or blabbering about incredibly attentuated arguments that could be made. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2745228&forum_id=2/#26846656) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 10:23 AM Author: Spruce histrionic volcanic crater Ability to regurgitate outlines and type fast will while using a modicum of analysis will get you somewhere in the top 1/3 to top 1/4. Deep thinking and remarkable analysis will create separation at the top. I am convinced this is mostly the result of professors realizing that truly challenging questions results in many of the "wrong" people doing well in their class (i.e., people who don't show up to class or obviously don't give a fuck about what the professor thinks). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2745228&forum_id=2/#26847952) |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 12:15 AM Author: Stirring box office kitty Agreed about what gets you to the top 1/3 to 1/4. Doubt that "deep thinking and remarkable analysis" is something you see in many classes, though. Perhaps something you see from the top 1%, but certainly not necessary to stay in the top 5-10% at my T6. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2745228&forum_id=2/#26868931) |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 12:18 AM Author: exciting hospital genital piercing CR on top 1/3 or 1/4. Differentiation at the very top is simply consistency of falling in the top 1/4 on every exam. That's all there is to LS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2745228&forum_id=2/#26868959) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 10:18 AM Author: Spruce histrionic volcanic crater I would add something concerning writing ability. I don't necessarily mean the ability to craft engaging prose, more along the line of grammatically correct writing with proper spelling.
I am convinced many faggot law professors, whether consciously or unconsciously, are merciless with their grading when it comes to answers riddled with improper grammar and spelling mistakes. |
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 10:57 AM Author: grizzly boistinker Typing speed is disgustingly overrated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2745228&forum_id=2/#26848111) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 11:01 AM Author: violent gunner (guy slamming his macbook shut after tiny pink 83 wpm performance on typeracer)
in b4 "but i acthually typthe fath" since in that case youre slamming your macbook shut after seeing your grades
tldr; ur slamming ur macbook shut. |
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Date: December 2nd, 2014 8:27 PM Author: Marvelous gas station legend 1. typing speed 2. overall intelligence ~= LSAT 3. striverness/other listed factors ~= uGPA |
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 9:00 AM Author: dark provocative stead you never went to LS did you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2745228&forum_id=2/#26847552) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2014 8:28 PM Author: swashbuckling vermilion university is typing speed that important? i may only be like 70 wpm. how fucked? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2745228&forum_id=2/#26844718) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2014 8:37 PM Author: Marvelous gas station legend somewhat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2745228&forum_id=2/#26844762) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2014 8:52 PM Author: swashbuckling vermilion university not flame?
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 10:24 AM Author: Spruce histrionic volcanic crater Ability to write at a sustained, quick pace is much more important that pure typing speed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2745228&forum_id=2/#26847959) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 12:53 AM Author: Stirring box office kitty First semester: 1. Exam technique/strategy 2. Familiarity with materials 3. Typing speed 4. Raw intelligence 5. Striverness
People pick up exam technique after the first semester, so the other factors play a bigger role in differentiation in the top 1/3 after that. |
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 8:57 AM Author: Stirring box office kitty The above is only true for essay exams, of course. The most demanding exams I took in LS, which often left folks quite dispirited, had significant MC components. Those exams were harder to game and often turned almost entirely on familiarity with material and raw intelligence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2745228&forum_id=2/#26847539) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 10:10 AM Author: Lime aromatic marketing idea dog poop It really varies widely re: 1 in the first semester based on student's knowledge of LS and the profs' exam styles. If 90% of your section already understands before first semester exams that you're supposed to argue both sides, how to structure an issue spotter answer, etc., then it's going to be much more mastery of materials and typing speed. If only 25% or so do, then this is right. In my section it seemed like maybe 70% or so of people had read Getting to Maybe and got the "game" of a LS exam and most of our profs weren't bending over backwards to try to hide the ball. In other sections it seemed more like 30% realized there wasn't a "right answer" per se, and their profs were more interested in tricking them. It was those sections where you heard more stories of the guy who never showed up to class and got top 10% grades.
The other thing that's credited above is the dumb thing about structuring the answer like a brief, taking 10 minutes to outline a structure of the answer, and putting subheadings on the various parts. And having the time to do all that ultimately boils down to typing (and writing) speed. But this was a consistent feature of the approach that most of my friends who did well used. And it just makes sense--v. grading a huge wall of text where you're scanning through looking for buzz words, having subheadings and structure makes it easier to navigate your answer, and opens up opportunities to get multiple checks for the same point. |
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 10:31 AM Author: Spruce histrionic volcanic crater I think having subheadings and generally good formatting may help some but is really more indicative of the underlying trait that truly allows people to excel: writing well at a quick pace. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2745228&forum_id=2/#26847991) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 10:37 AM Author: Lime aromatic marketing idea dog poop Agreed. I think this also explains why the engineers don't fill out the top of the class at T14s (plus the fact that they are better positioned than the rest of the class to get good jobs even if they fall below the median). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2745228&forum_id=2/#26848017) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 12:56 AM Author: opaque passionate trailer park boiling water 1) Organization (professor's hate grading and want to skim these things as quickly as possible) 2) Mentioning the professor's "pet" theory/idea that you spent way too much time on in class. |
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 1:04 AM Author: Charismatic bronze hissy fit Familiarity with the materials is actually the most important thing. Each class is a self-contained universe of materials, including all the readings and the lectures. If you know and understand the materials, and can apply them more or less from memory (with reference to details in your outline), you will do well.
I suppose lsat, gpa, iq, whatever, may be relevant as a proxy for ability to do this, but this is what's ultimately important. |
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 8:59 AM Author: cobalt bipolar principal's office immigrant Scanned for typing speed.
Didn't see it
FAIL |
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 10:12 AM Author: brass adventurous address voyeur at most law schools, just memorizing a good outline and typing fast is enough to get at least a B+. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2745228&forum_id=2/#26847906) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 10:24 AM Author: Motley duck-like church rigor 1) Taking diligent notes in class so you know YOUR PROFESSOR's take on everything. No other source of information matters at all. I think the reason people screw up is they go to hornbooks or other students' incompetent outlines or their own pet theories about the law, or whatever. Just repeat your professor's perspective, preferably word for word how he said it in class. That's all the substance that matters.
2) Write like a person with more than a 6th grade education. That includes being organized. These profs are used to reading garbled, incoherent drivel. Write concisely. Profit.
Other than raw intelligence, every factor you listed in the OP is irrelevant.
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 10:25 AM Author: buff bull headed site mood 1. typing speed 2. familiarity with materials (proxied by time spent studying) 3. intelligence |
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 10:34 AM Author: violent gunner well i guess were done here.
concise, cogent answer to the Q. 178 on a rigorous curve |
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 10:35 AM Author: Impressive Field Organization. Not flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2745228&forum_id=2/#26848007) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 10:40 AM Author: Mahogany library It's more about reading fast, thinking fast, and writing fast than literal typing speed. I would also add doing every old exam you can find and studying the model answers carefully. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2745228&forum_id=2/#26848033) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 11:03 AM Author: disgusting turdskin parlour IME overall study time. No idea if this holds true for other people. I never wrote the most but did well in the classes I really studied hard for and could recite my entire outline from memory. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2745228&forum_id=2/#26848142) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 11:06 AM Author: violent gunner 159 on a strict curve; pointed out obvious truth but provided no deep or subtle analysis (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2745228&forum_id=2/#26848162) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 11:10 AM Author: disgusting turdskin parlour nah ding. that's what I was able to do when i really just knew the basic framework of the material. overall study time has to include digging deeper and figuring out where the nuances are.
i'm not a high IQ faggot so in order for me to distinguish myself I have to try really hard. |
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 11:13 AM Author: violent gunner ugh i hate trying
so 142 |
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 11:39 AM Author: disgusting turdskin parlour me too and ive been really inconsistent about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2745228&forum_id=2/#26848310) |