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Are all "corporate" jobs terrible or mainly just biglaw
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Date: June 22nd, 2014 10:23 PM Author: cheese-eating pervert shitlib I'm sort of sick of this shit that people say - all corporate jobs suck blah blah blah.
isn't biglaw objectively worse than most?
Most people I know who work in an office work strictly 9-5, no weekend work, with an hour for lunch mondays through friday. Lazy boomers arent burning out of those either. |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 4:35 PM Author: magenta vivacious rigor death wish this is the fed lifestyle (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26857120) |
Date: June 22nd, 2014 10:28 PM Author: stimulating incel professional advisor jobs are always going to be bad, particularly if your clients are financial services (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#25799497) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2014 10:37 PM Author: Glittery Glassy Black Woman law is particularly bad. it really sucks and most of the people who are successful at it could have been a lot more successful at other white collar service jobs but they didn't have the good sense far enough ahead. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#25799554) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2014 11:04 PM Author: cheese-eating pervert shitlib i should have gone into finance if i wanted this striverish life style. at least in MFH, they average more money than biglawyers (sometimes averaging 500k+ in certain fields like asset management), work similar hours, and have a lot better exit ops. Plus no debt/bullshit grad school.
If only i could time travel
or, i'd just major in accounting, live in flyover suburbs, making 70k as a CPA working 9-5 |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 8:06 PM Author: harsh disgusting temple fortuitous meteor Accounting is time-consuming and tedious as fuck and a CPA with decent clients works like a dog from January to April and probably again from July to October. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26858654) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2014 11:05 PM Author: histrionic lemon volcanic crater indian lodge I'm an executive search and talent management consultant at one of the big publicly traded firms and I don't think a better corporate job exists than mine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#25799730) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2014 11:08 PM Author: Lavender spectacular tanning salon karate Best job in the world for you, would be hell for others (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#25799762) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2014 11:12 PM Author: histrionic lemon volcanic crater indian lodge I suppose that's true. I think there is an ideal corporate job for everyone, probably. Not necessarily what one love but rather something that caters to what they are especially good, or "value add", at. Feels good to be rewarded for something that you don't feel is a chore or "work", in part because you are so good at it, it is effortless, etc., (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#25799796) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2014 11:26 PM Author: stimulating incel dude it's HR, you arrange bring your kid to work day. dont oversell it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#25799909) |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 4:12 PM Author: Indigo ape mental disorder Recruiting is basically sales, your just telling them to quit their job as part of the sale. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26856961) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2014 11:08 PM Author: Lavender spectacular tanning salon karate Some people have nice chill jobs. Look at Joe Dirte (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#25799758) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2014 11:12 PM Author: contagious confused filthpig goal in life biglaw does seem uniquely bad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#25799795) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2014 11:24 PM Author: Snowy Dashing Gas Station Regret its the people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#25799895) |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 4:33 PM Author: floppy pisswyrm It's BigLaw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26857115) |
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Date: December 8th, 2014 2:46 PM Author: orchid thirsty office ...but mostly the people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26886888) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2014 11:15 PM Author: Copper Diverse Parlour Legal Warrant biglaw is worse than hell. at least in auschwitz the prisoners didn't have $300k debt to pay off and didn't have blinking blackberries causing diagnosable anxiety and neurosis. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#25799817) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2014 11:20 PM Author: Pungent stag film (confirmed crybaby whiny self entitled faggot) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#25799858) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2014 11:20 PM Author: Copper Diverse Parlour Legal Warrant shut up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#25799865) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2014 11:21 PM Author: Pungent stag film you cant stop the truth from coming out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#25799871) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 10:58 PM Author: shaky new version (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26852955) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 11:05 PM Author: Maize adventurous meetinghouse organic girlfriend BIGLAW is worse but for very different reasons. In BIGLAW it's the high stress of each day and the awful personalities. People will yell at you and actively try to make you feel like shit.
The average corporate job doesn't have the same DAILY stress because there's HR departments and everyone is all super nice with Thanks! and :) and shit, but an overwhelming ennui & despair sets in within months as it dawns on you that this sort of red tape shithold is your daily existence, and days just blend into each other and you don't really even do anything. It's depressing as fuck, but in a different way. |
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 11:07 PM Author: Exciting Infuriating Property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26853035) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 11:10 PM Author: Balding university reading party (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26853060) |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 4:09 PM Author: hilarious locus degenerate Your second paragraph 100% describes why I left the in-house promised land to return to biglaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26856941) |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 4:13 PM Author: Maize adventurous meetinghouse organic girlfriend I'm currently in dat in-house promised land :( I wouldn't ever return to biglaw tho. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26856968) |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 4:16 PM Author: hilarious locus degenerate The red tape and 9-5 don't-give-a-fuck attitude is what gets me. It's impossible to get anything done without having to ask someone, who in turn has to as 4 or 5 other people. By the time the answer to your question gets back to you, the people at the top have changed their minds once again (not known to you) and you make yourself look like an idiot with outside counsel.
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Date: December 4th, 2014 4:24 PM Author: Maize adventurous meetinghouse organic girlfriend Bro I hear you 100%. It's pathetic how much red tape there is. I have to ask a series of people to approve any tiny thing I do, and we have to document the approvals, and if I don't, I get some person from risk or someone else in legal calling me asking where the trail is, and it's just a huge pain in the ass. I would say about 80% of my day is spent on admin type shit rather than actual legal work because of this.
The people are also utterly incompetent. To get my work I have to rely on some internal system that low level people making $40k a year manage, and they fuck it up all the time so that I look like an idiot to the business unit because I'm responding to something someone else in legal already responded to months ago. It happens all the time, and just to figure out that the business unit was helped on something can take hours and hours of my time, so that all I accomplish during a day is finding someone else's record keeping error.
And then the business units often don't even know what's going on and give me absolutely wrong facts, only to find out months later that I've been working on something under an entirely wrong premise because some middle manager has no idea what's going on. |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 4:26 PM Author: Indigo ape mental disorder lol, cot damn. otoh, sounds pretty chill so long as that's all that's expected of you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26857056) |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 4:28 PM Author: Maize adventurous meetinghouse organic girlfriend Like I said, it's better than BIGLAW, but it's seriously depressing in other ways. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26857074) |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 4:30 PM Author: Odious athletic conference market Idk I already totally dissociate my work mentality from my actual self, in in house I would just do that again and not have as much stress and billing pressure (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26857088) |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 4:32 PM Author: Indigo ape mental disorder I'm very glad I was NOJERBWAGGED out of law entirely, and just do law-related corp shit. I could handle the in house bullshit you describe but I'd never have made it in the first place. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26857108) |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 4:33 PM Author: Odious athletic conference market what is "law related corp shit" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26857117) |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 5:03 PM Author: Indigo ape mental disorder Mostly looking at documents in a cube. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26857310) |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 7:05 PM Author: shaky new version rate your life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26858124) |
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Date: December 8th, 2014 5:39 PM Author: Indigo ape mental disorder There are better lives, but it's pretty good. No oversight or micromanagement, everyone is super nice, pay is good, career track is good. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26887766) |
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Date: December 8th, 2014 5:23 PM Author: cream digit ratio This is credited, but it's also why when the chips are down people don't even mind when you are pushy and insistent. Eg when you as legal realize that you have a small window and you explicitly call that out and say "no fuck that we'll get the 4-5 people you want to ask on a call tomorrow and I will badger them into submission." And then if they still try to fight you say "then I guess we'll ask your boss' boss what he thinks and tell him that if he backs you we're escalating to his boss and his boss' peer in legal." And the whole game is phrasing all of that in a diplomatic way that's suitable to be forwarded to execs. Unless they're stupid, when they see you have that part of your game working they shut the fuck up and fall in line, and it's mildly satisfying. But it is annoying when you're on like step 2 of 27 steps to get it done and you realize your internal adversary is dumb and so you've got to be extra pushy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26887684) |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 4:24 PM Author: Supple violet cruise ship insightful (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26857041) |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 6:59 PM Author: 180 awkward partner being a middle manager at a public company with little room for advancement and a lot of red tape is not great but at least there is not as much stress, it is not an up and out model, and there are no fire drills. biglaw objectively sucks due to the service-oriented nature of the work and the billable system.
i was really lucky to find something in between. i work at a 60 person private company with no red tape at all, everybody is fairly competent (with a few exceptions here and there), and it's small enough that they still care about the culture. |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 7:21 PM Author: Maize adventurous meetinghouse organic girlfriend what you say is true. it is better than biglaw from a daily quality of life standpoint. but it's really depressing over time, and yet it's hard to give up because it's objectively cushy making 6 figures with no fire drills. obviously it would be best to have somewhere in the middle, but those jobs are very few and far between (thanks for reminding us all again that you have one of them tho).
at any rate, i think even if i had your job i would probably be depressed in it. i just don't like that feeling that i'll probably be doing the exact same thing 10 years from now for marginally more pay. i don't like working for others. i really, really resent authority unless i respect the authority figure, which only happens maybe 1 out of 10 times. there are so many incompetent shitboomers in F500 companies that are at the top of the food chain. and the work itself is monotonous. once you have 3-4 yrs experience it's basically the same shit over and over and you aren't really learning on a daily basis anymore. you are just helping everyone be more efficient because you actually know what you are doing, but it gets old fast. |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 7:37 PM Author: 180 awkward partner nothing's preventing you from having a different job with more seniority, more autonomy or at least at a different company 10 years from now. i don't think i could have the job you describe for the long haul and it's a shitboomer mentality to stay at the same job and move up the ranks really slowly for 30 years. i doubt i will be at the same place in 10 years. i'm always on the lookout for other opportunities. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26858442) |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 7:50 PM Author: Maize adventurous meetinghouse organic girlfriend I'm always looking too. And everything either (a) looks similar to what I do currently, so the jump would be pointless, or (b) would be extremely stressful relatively to the pay bump.
The only thing left in law that sounds interesting to me is GC at a startup or something where I get to be the dude and there's not bullshit redtape everywhere I look and there's some hope that I can grow with the company and get rich as fuck, but I don't even live in the right area for that anymore. |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 7:56 PM Author: 180 awkward partner the grass is always greener dude. i know GC startup lawyers and it is stressful because it is all on you and the business can fail at any point. and you're certainly still working for others. it's a lot of risk and work for a small chance at striking it rich. some have the appetite for it, but most people don't, particularly if you're averse to having stress.
if you see your job as a means to enjoying your life outside work and not worry about how "interesting" your life is from 9-5, then it's easier to stomach having a boring corporate job. |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 8:10 PM Author: Maize adventurous meetinghouse organic girlfriend i recognize that i'd probably be unhappy in most jobs, but i hold out hope that there's some decent job out there that matches up with what i want. my problem is i do want too much out of a job. i currently have a job where i can work 9-5 without getting overwhelmed while making 6 figures so i shouldn't complain, but it's really just a shit job in terms of substance. i feel like i'm a secretary doing admin shit 80% of my time, and as best i can tell a lot of in-house attorneys feel this way, which is probably why in-house attorney positions are dominated by females who probably don't mind the admin stuff as much. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26858693) |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 8:11 PM Author: harsh disgusting temple fortuitous meteor Before law school I worked at a ~50-person private company, and when I left the CEO shook my hand and said: "No matter where you end up, be somewhere small enough that you are close to the money."
Best advice I ever got. |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 8:17 PM Author: Maize adventurous meetinghouse organic girlfriend The thing that sucks about working for a small company is there's usually shit benefits. At my large company, I get 4 weeks of vacation (that I can actually take) and a bunch of sick days that rollover and 6% matching 401k and decent insurance. You aren't getting anywhere near that at 99.9999999999999% of smaller places. Most smaller places you will be lucky to get 2 weeks vacation (which you can never take because there's not enough people to cover for you) & some shit high deductible insurance with a high premium. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26858757) |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 8:22 PM Author: harsh disgusting temple fortuitous meteor In some places, sure, but I'd rather be close to the money with shit benefits than the other way around.
My current employer pays 100% of our insurance, because fuck it, we've only got 13 employees. And I can ask to be compensated for the lack of vacation time (effectively 0 for me) come bonus season, because we're all big boys. The ability to go to the boss and be entrepreneurial and actually add value to the company is great for comp as opposed to being a cog in the F500 machine. |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 8:54 PM Author: Maize adventurous meetinghouse organic girlfriend I want to punch you through my computer screen for saying add value in a nonironic way (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26859051) |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 11:13 PM Author: harsh disgusting temple fortuitous meteor pumos will be pumos (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26860334) |
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Date: December 8th, 2014 5:30 PM Author: cream digit ratio The most satisfying part of my job is that I work a lot with the young, smart, up and coming gen xers to pwn the dumb, old boomers who try to fight us. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26887724) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 11:06 PM Author: Violent slimy station dingle berry most corporate jobs are just very boring and involve a lot of office politics/networking. i hate office politics and networking (i'm an introvert) so working in a corporate atmosphere is really painful for me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26853026) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2014 11:13 PM Author: Godawful mind-boggling stage nibblets Biglaw is the worst but all office jobs make me miserable. Some people, especially super ambitious people and those with a lot of shit on their shoulders, can put up with it like NBD. I wasn't able to do this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26853080) |
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Date: December 9th, 2014 12:56 PM Author: lascivious jet-lagged field clown What do you do now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26893756) |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 2:58 PM Author: Gaped Forum Sex Offender (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26856399) |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 3:52 PM Author: useless corner depressive Ever clean off your junk with a $5000 bill, man? Jump into the East River and howl at smirking Brooklyn? Do you know what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26856795) |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 4:27 PM Author: Gaped Forum Sex Offender Wut (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26857066) |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 4:12 PM Author: soggy painfully honest jew casino Any job where you bill by the hour sucks IMO.
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Date: December 4th, 2014 4:19 PM Author: Indigo ape mental disorder Billing for salary sounds SPS. Hourly wage with OT seems like a cream dream. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26857006) |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 4:24 PM Author: marvelous bbw cr. It seems sensible up until it gets monkeyed with by minimum hours, partners who study the monthly reports and give you shit, partners or clients asking you to self-edit (occasionally very heavily), and your bonuses, reviews, and whether or not you're fired depends a lot more on your hours than how good of a job you did (at least until the point at which 90%+ of associates are already long gone). But in any event, there's always more to do, and the number of minutes actually worked per billable hour keeps increasing.
The variability also sucks. Might be on two deals or a trial and bill 350, or might be begging for work and billing 50 (or less). Or if you're working on 10 little things, it can be tough to cobble together 180-200/month, despite the fact that you billed on all 30 days, had late nights, cancelled a Friday dinner, alarm set for 3 a.m. one day, etc. |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 4:27 PM Author: Odious athletic conference market Nice summary. It especially sucks for people that arent necessarily slackers but just like to mail it in for a day once in a while. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26857057) |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 4:32 PM Author: Maize adventurous meetinghouse organic girlfriend Cr. I hated that about BIGLAW and it is one of the nice things about in-house. Some days I just don't feel like working and I can go in and zone out and no one is the wiser. When I did that in BIGLAW I would just stress myself out trying to play catchup all the time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26857103) |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 4:35 PM Author: Twisted impressive spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26857121) |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 4:29 PM Author: Odious athletic conference market How do we GET OUT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26857077) |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 6:31 PM Author: shaky new version (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26857893) |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 4:57 PM Author: Bright Zippy Macaca Senate Biglaw really is much worse. Awful people. Lots of stress. And, worse of all, you are stressing over stuff that does not matter in the slightest. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26857279) |
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Date: December 9th, 2014 12:58 PM Author: lascivious jet-lagged field clown (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26893762) |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 7:40 PM Author: Beta Aphrodisiac Jap Working in corporate America is a sissy faggot's errand. You're a faggot if you won't start a business. It's not that hard. You just call people and pitch your service. Your don't need startup capital. But the sissy brigade wants you to be all faggot like a proper sissy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26858468) |
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Date: December 4th, 2014 8:55 PM Author: Saffron Plaza Chad this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26859057) |
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Date: December 8th, 2014 2:32 PM Author: beady-eyed chestnut french chef Read:
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Date: December 8th, 2014 2:38 PM Author: white bearded fanboi tank "Outside of a few law firms and a hand full specialty or auxiliary office environments, the typical Western office job is a soul sucking, testosterone draining cesspool masquerading as the best way to earn a living."
Which firms aren't? |
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Date: December 8th, 2014 2:46 PM Author: galvanic alcoholic people who are hurt QUINN | REMAINS | (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26886887) |
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Date: December 8th, 2014 4:59 PM Author: sable genital piercing "SharpShooter is a late bloomer who loves the outdoors and is a strong proponent of solitude. He hangs his hat in an industrial warehouse in a futile attempt to get off the grid. His column runs every Tuesday."
How many jars of his own piss do you think this guy has squirreled away in his "compound"? |
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Date: December 8th, 2014 8:06 PM Author: contagious confused filthpig goal in life Wonder what type of hat he hangs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2600701&forum_id=2/#26888778) |