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There are like 4 total "open world" video games that have been actually good

GTA 3 & Vice City (same game so counts as 1) Mercenari...
canary laughsome office
  04/22/26
if you're putting Crackdown you lose all credibility
Dashing rebellious shrine organic girlfriend
  04/22/26
Crackdown is a masterpiece
canary laughsome office
  04/22/26
I only like botw
filthy crystalline corn cake
  04/22/26
I only played the gta games as a sandbox to cause mayhem I n...
canary laughsome office
  04/22/26
Immortals Fenyx Rising is fun
amethyst stimulating tank
  04/22/26
Ubisoft 🤮
canary laughsome office
  04/22/26
GTA 5 was great. And I am in the minority here as enjoying T...
amber multi-billionaire rehab
  04/22/26
BOTW was a triumph and i quit playing tears about 3 hours in...
Floppy incel locus
  04/22/26
You are better off starting with GTA: San Andreas or just go...
amber multi-billionaire rehab
  04/22/26
Vice City is good too. I'd skip 3 at this point, and just go...
supple trump supporter
  04/22/26
GTA IV is even better than those, especially if you ever liv...
razzle death wish bawdyhouse
  04/22/26
Cant skip III; he needs a primer on the Australian-American ...
Violent concupiscible home
  04/22/26
Is the original Legend of Zelda "open world"? Wha...
trip main people pocket flask
  04/22/26
Elden Ring’s is pretty good if you have a lot of time ...
Shimmering psychic meetinghouse
  04/22/26
I'm never gonna play any of these parry & roll around w/...
canary laughsome office
  04/22/26
Elden Ring is quite literally hundreds of square miles of no...
supple trump supporter
  04/22/26
You never saw the late game and its Dungeons. Also there&...
Shimmering psychic meetinghouse
  04/22/26
Absurd you left RDR2 off this list. It is a TRIUMPH.
Plum point indirect expression
  04/22/26
https://x.com/HadesRise/status/2046996354883358779
canary laughsome office
  04/22/26
Witcher 3 was excellent and still plays well.
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  04/22/26
Fake open world linear game
canary laughsome office
  04/22/26
Shots fired
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  04/22/26
it was worse than 1 and 2 and the best parts of 3 were the l...
Puce big-titted spot
  04/22/26
1 might've been the most interesting, despite the shitty nev...
Fragrant Green Trailer Park
  04/22/26
On a somewhat related subject, I never get tired of 4chan /v...
idiotic bossy masturbator twinkling uncleanness
  04/22/26
i enjoyed daggerfall
Gay offensive brunch round eye
  04/22/26
180
idiotic bossy masturbator twinkling uncleanness
  04/22/26
Red Dead 2 wasn’t that bad, come on
diverse hall
  04/22/26
Intriguing poast-moniker synergy
idiotic bossy masturbator twinkling uncleanness
  04/22/26
😆
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idiotic bossy masturbator twinkling uncleanness
  04/22/26
crackdown was badass
Puce big-titted spot
  04/22/26
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canary laughsome office
  04/22/26
Oblivion deserves credit for finally fulfilling the basic pr...
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  04/22/26
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idiotic bossy masturbator twinkling uncleanness
  04/22/26
glad you mentioned Mercenaries: Playground of Destruction. T...
supple trump supporter
  04/22/26
180
canary laughsome office
  04/22/26
I realize these are completely different games than what OP ...
cruel-hearted jew
  04/22/26
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idiotic bossy masturbator twinkling uncleanness
  04/22/26
people dont see each other irl twisted metal would be ma...
Gay offensive brunch round eye
  04/22/26
*You, me, Emilio and frutiger aero tp four-boxing Mario kart...
cruel-hearted jew
  04/22/26
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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canary laughsome office
  04/22/26
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idiotic bossy masturbator twinkling uncleanness
  04/22/26
Missing a POTUS off the list btw: Shenmue https://www.red...
glassy center
  04/22/26
I think lawman8 really loved this game
Gay offensive brunch round eye
  04/22/26
series was really good and i hate these types of games
glassy center
  04/22/26
i notice that you CONSPICUOUSLY left out LA Noire.
Adventurous insecure dilemma
  04/22/26
ff7
pale costumed institution
  04/22/26
A triumph
Shimmering psychic meetinghouse
  04/22/26
Hardwar
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...
Judgmental Mental Disorder Casino
  04/23/26
a rich open world
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180!
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  04/23/26
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fallout new vegas kingdom come deliverance
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  04/22/26
Cyberpunk 2077 was great
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  04/23/26
😴
Shimmering psychic meetinghouse
  04/23/26
...
canary laughsome office
  04/23/26
(Goymer)
canary laughsome office
  04/23/26
MGSV was the best other than having a chunk of story cut off...
Dashing rebellious shrine organic girlfriend
  04/23/26
I should try that
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 10:02 AM
Author: canary laughsome office

GTA 3 & Vice City (same game so counts as 1)

Mercenaries: Playground of Destruction

Zelda Breath of the Wild but not the sequel

Crackdown 1

The Rest are abysmal gash

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49833947)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 8:23 PM
Author: Dashing rebellious shrine organic girlfriend

if you're putting Crackdown you lose all credibility

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835698)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 11:35 PM
Author: canary laughsome office

Crackdown is a masterpiece

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49836194)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 10:03 AM
Author: filthy crystalline corn cake

I only like botw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49833951)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 10:04 AM
Author: canary laughsome office

I only played the gta games as a sandbox to cause mayhem I never did any "missions" or story

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49833957)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 10:15 AM
Author: amethyst stimulating tank

Immortals Fenyx Rising is fun

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49833992)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 10:22 AM
Author: canary laughsome office

Ubisoft 🤮

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49834006)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 10:17 AM
Author: amber multi-billionaire rehab

GTA 5 was great. And I am in the minority here as enjoying Tears of the Kingdom despite it being The Same Game.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49833996)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 3:57 PM
Author: Floppy incel locus

BOTW was a triumph and i quit playing tears about 3 hours in because it was the same. i'd never played GTA before i just fired up GTA III on steam the other night, but the entire game just seems to be running driving missions for scum NPCs for virtual money (ie take this hooker to this house and get the car painted at this other place). is that the entire game?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49834762)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 4:01 PM
Author: amber multi-billionaire rehab

You are better off starting with GTA: San Andreas or just going straight to GTA 5. GTA III is great, but it is dated. It gets to be more fun for sure, but it doesn't have the variety or dynamism of later games.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49834779)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 8:02 PM
Author: supple trump supporter

Vice City is good too. I'd skip 3 at this point, and just go to VC and SA

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835586)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 10:27 PM
Author: razzle death wish bawdyhouse

GTA IV is even better than those, especially if you ever lived in nyc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49836088)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 11:10 PM
Author: Violent concupiscible home

Cant skip III; he needs a primer on the Australian-American War.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49836154)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 4:02 PM
Author: trip main people pocket flask

Is the original Legend of Zelda "open world"? What about Majora's Mask?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49834783)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 4:10 PM
Author: Shimmering psychic meetinghouse

Elden Ring’s is pretty good if you have a lot of time on your hands or ingenious intuition about things. The way that some quests progress is like NES Simon’s Quest tier if not more cryptic.

Every one of these games that has lots of Fields and Land bores me automatically btw. They need to stop making these imo. Like Zelda’s open world has shrines which have Things inside of them. Land and trees and Herbs and Caves are bullshit if that’s all there is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49834794)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 6:56 PM
Author: canary laughsome office

I'm never gonna play any of these parry & roll around w/ sword games that Fromsoft churns out, it just looks like way too much going on for me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835316)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 8:04 PM
Author: supple trump supporter

Elden Ring is quite literally hundreds of square miles of nothing. Oversized World just for the sake of being Oversized, no real point.

Oh yeah, and the "rolling INTO the attack" mechanic is fucking gay as fuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835592)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 11:19 PM
Author: Shimmering psychic meetinghouse

You never saw the late game and its Dungeons.

Also there’s a cool af underground area with multiple entrances and exits on the overworld. Other things like that too probably which I never found.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49836168)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 4:54 PM
Author: Plum point indirect expression

Absurd you left RDR2 off this list. It is a TRIUMPH.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49834903)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 6:58 PM
Author: canary laughsome office

https://x.com/HadesRise/status/2046996354883358779

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835324)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 4:56 PM
Author: Fragrant Green Trailer Park

Witcher 3 was excellent and still plays well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49834913)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 7:00 PM
Author: canary laughsome office

Fake open world linear game

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835338)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 7:20 PM
Author: idiotic bossy masturbator twinkling uncleanness

Shots fired

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835411)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 7:16 PM
Author: Puce big-titted spot

it was worse than 1 and 2 and the best parts of 3 were the least open world bits

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835398)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 7:51 PM
Author: Fragrant Green Trailer Park

1 might've been the most interesting, despite the shitty neverwinter nights engine. I still enjoyed doing side quests and other open world stuff in 3 than pretty much every oblivion-esque game, although the dlc and main story were far better.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835522)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 7:21 PM
Author: idiotic bossy masturbator twinkling uncleanness

On a somewhat related subject, I never get tired of 4chan /v/ Witcher 3 waifu threads, either

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835415)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 6:58 PM
Author: Gay offensive brunch round eye

i enjoyed daggerfall

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835328)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 7:21 PM
Author: idiotic bossy masturbator twinkling uncleanness

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835418)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 6:59 PM
Author: diverse hall

Red Dead 2 wasn’t that bad, come on

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835332)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 7:21 PM
Author: idiotic bossy masturbator twinkling uncleanness

Intriguing poast-moniker synergy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835420)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 7:57 PM
Author: cruel-hearted jew

😆

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835551)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 7:57 PM
Author: idiotic bossy masturbator twinkling uncleanness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835555)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 8:41 PM
Author: glassy center



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835752)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 9:19 PM
Author: idiotic bossy masturbator twinkling uncleanness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835875)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 9:33 PM
Author: Crimson Property Son Of Senegal



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835911)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 10:02 PM
Author: idiotic bossy masturbator twinkling uncleanness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49836022)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 7:18 PM
Author: Puce big-titted spot

crackdown was badass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835406)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 11:35 PM
Author: canary laughsome office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49836191)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 7:54 PM
Author: Jet-lagged menage queen of the night

Oblivion deserves credit for finally fulfilling the basic promise of an open world fantasy game

And then New Vegas is an obvious top tier game

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835536)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 7:57 PM
Author: idiotic bossy masturbator twinkling uncleanness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835556)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 8:05 PM
Author: supple trump supporter

glad you mentioned Mercenaries: Playground of Destruction. That Game was fun as fuck back in the day. The sequel was really disappointing

I would add GTA 5 to the OP List.

Otherwise, he is pretty much spot on.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835600)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 8:35 PM
Author: canary laughsome office

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835735)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 8:10 PM
Author: cruel-hearted jew

I realize these are completely different games than what OP is talking about, but Destruction Derby and Twisted Metal on PlayStation 1 were fun as fuck to mess around with your bros and I don’t know why they don’t ever make games like that any more.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835633)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 8:21 PM
Author: idiotic bossy masturbator twinkling uncleanness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835682)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 8:24 PM
Author: Gay offensive brunch round eye

people dont see each other irl

twisted metal would be made into an online only shit fest where u play against no life losers who MUST win every game at all costs

people cant even have fun anymore

i remember spending hours on the paris map in twisted metal trying to get to the top of teh effiel tower then destroying it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835701)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 8:40 PM
Author: cruel-hearted jew

*You, me, Emilio and frutiger aero tp four-boxing Mario kart on a 20 inch CRT on our day off from school, eating Dunkaroos (after we were done with our Torino’s pizza rolls)*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835750)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 9:18 PM
Author: idiotic bossy masturbator twinkling uncleanness

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835874)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 9:25 PM
Author: canary laughsome office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835898)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 10:02 PM
Author: idiotic bossy masturbator twinkling uncleanness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49836021)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 8:36 PM
Author: glassy center

Missing a POTUS off the list btw: Shenmue

https://www.reddit.com/r/Shenmue/comments/1dh3i6t/shenmue_was_truly_the_first_true_3d_open_world/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835741)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 8:41 PM
Author: Gay offensive brunch round eye

I think lawman8 really loved this game

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835751)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 8:41 PM
Author: glassy center

series was really good

and i hate these types of games



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49835754)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 11:02 PM
Author: Adventurous insecure dilemma

i notice that you CONSPICUOUSLY left out LA Noire.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49836144)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 11:17 PM
Author: pale costumed institution

ff7

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49836164)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 11:23 PM
Author: Shimmering psychic meetinghouse

A triumph

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49836176)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 11:30 PM
Author: titillating yapping cumskin heaven

Hardwar

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49836184)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 2:53 PM
Author: Judgmental Mental Disorder Casino



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 11:32 PM
Author: lavender kitchen nowag

a rich open world

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49836188)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 12:13 AM
Author: idiotic bossy masturbator twinkling uncleanness

180!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49836227)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 2:18 PM
Author: canary laughsome office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49837335)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 2:18 PM
Author: idiotic bossy masturbator twinkling uncleanness



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 3:25 PM
Author: Chrome indecent market travel guidebook



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 11:58 PM
Author: Vibrant sick potus

fallout new vegas

kingdom come deliverance



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49836218)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 12:06 AM
Author: thriller alcoholic community account garrison

Cyberpunk 2077 was great

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49836224)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:59 AM
Author: Shimmering psychic meetinghouse

😴

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49836467)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 2:18 PM
Author: canary laughsome office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49837336)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 2:18 PM
Author: canary laughsome office

(Goymer)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49837338)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 2:38 PM
Author: Dashing rebellious shrine organic girlfriend

MGSV was the best other than having a chunk of story cut off at the end. But best gameplay outside of GTA games and Saints Row 1/2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859368&forum_id=2/en-en/#49837428)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 2:47 PM
Author: canary laughsome office

I should try that

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Date: April 23rd, 2026 2:49 PM
Author: idiotic bossy masturbator twinkling uncleanness



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