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My wife hates that I get chores done while I WFH
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Date: January 15th, 2025 3:12 PM Author: khaki nursing home skinny woman She comes home and everything is done which means she wasn’t home when they weren’t done thus negating her ability to complain about them not being done. This makes her MAF. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48555516) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 3:25 PM Author: aquamarine diverse stage Find this rly hard to believe tbh. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48555533) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 3:26 PM Author: Sable Church Tattoo (unmarried man) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48555538) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 3:32 PM Author: aquamarine diverse stage Wrong on both counts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48555549) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 3:59 PM Author: Sable Church Tattoo My apologies! Let me correct myself:
(lying woman) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 4:01 PM Author: insecure background story lodge women ALWAYS lie about this and ALWAYS claim to be the exception
it's very strange and annoying |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 4:08 PM Author: Sable Church Tattoo Women don't view their compulsive complaining and general dissatisfaction with everything as pathological, and with the social trend towards "woman always right", why should they. They're told every day that they should be miserable and the cause of their misery lies entirely outside of themselves (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48555654) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 4:08 PM Author: insecure background story lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48555658) |
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Date: January 17th, 2025 11:51 AM Author: Confused electric space (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48560445) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2025 5:50 PM Author: i gave my cousin head (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#49151380) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 6:37 PM Author: Fishy Chest-beating Piazza correction: liberal women. Liberalism is a mental disease and women have it times ten. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48556060) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 3:36 PM Author: insecure background story lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48555558) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 3:39 PM Author: Gaped organic girlfriend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48555574) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 5:23 PM Author: khaki nursing home skinny woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48555876) |
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Date: January 17th, 2025 10:59 AM Author: Ultramarine Dashing Potus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48560301) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2025 5:50 PM Author: i gave my cousin head (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#49151379) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 3:36 PM Author: Rusted mood (married woman) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48555556) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 3:37 PM Author: Galvanic parlor hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48555564) |
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Date: January 16th, 2025 10:51 AM Author: khaki nursing home skinny woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48557527) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 4:14 PM Author: kink-friendly stock car you don't have a wife and literally spend 20+ hours a day raging about donald trump on the internet you mentally retarded jewish pedophile. you are jewishly lying yet again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48555664) |
Date: January 15th, 2025 3:36 PM Author: insecure background story lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48555559) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 3:41 PM Author: flushed twinkling uncleanness athletic conference Now imagine how mad she'd be if you didn't do them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48555582) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2025 11:03 AM Author: crimson motley dog poop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48581104) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 4:01 PM Author: wonderful public bath sandwich you should teach her to get chores done as she goes, like putting garbage in the trash can or rinsing dishes off before putting them in the dishwasher. shed probably go ballistic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48555645) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 4:14 PM Author: vivacious locus sex offender 180. Its 18000 seeing them short circuit in real time trying to chase the high of complaining > realizing they're fresh out of smack. I hate women so much. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48555665) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2025 5:49 PM Author: ,.,.,.,.,.,..,:,,:,,.,:::,.,,.,:.,,.:.,:.,:.::,. This guy gets it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#49151378) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 4:14 PM Author: learning disabled beady-eyed station useless brakes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48555667) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 4:16 PM Author: Nighttime Shitlib I also WFH and get chores done while my wife is at her office job. She absolutely hates coming home to see the snow cleared, grocery shopping done and dinner prepared with dishes already put away. She gets even more furious when the laundry is done. I understand that level of productivity is hard for her to process because she needs to watch me do chores and berate me while I do them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48555671) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 4:17 PM Author: wonderful public bath sandwich lmao its too cynical to believe but i want it to be true (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48555678) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 4:17 PM Author: vivacious locus sex offender (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48555679) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 4:18 PM Author: insecure background story lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48555683) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 4:22 PM Author: Yellow self-absorbed newt library It truly upsets the natural order of things (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48555694) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 4:47 PM Author: Sable Church Tattoo Women don't want help with chores. They don't even want the chores to be done exactly the way they want them done. What they want is to micromanage their husbands and spread misery.
Doing the chores perfectly while she's away is so aggravating to women because if exposes the lie that it was ever about the chores at all. |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 4:49 PM Author: insecure background story lodge i encourage you to do a long substack post on this topic. you are an expert (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48555785) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 5:07 PM Author: insecure background story lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48555832) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 5:24 PM Author: khaki nursing home skinny woman spot fucking on (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48555879) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 5:44 PM Author: vivacious locus sex offender (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48555933) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 5:45 PM Author: wonderful public bath sandwich if youre married these days women expect you to be hiring housecleaners and landscapers and ubereats drivers 24/7 for this reason. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48555935) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 5:49 PM Author: Nighttime Shitlib The food never tastes as good or is as healthy as if you cook for yourself at home. Cleaning and other work around the house is the same. I only hire out work too complex or time consuming to do it myself like a large plumbing project. I’d also never get up on my roof for any reason so I have contractors handle that. I’m happy to do most things and my wife still resents me and berates me for how it’s done. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48555945) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 6:40 PM Author: Fishy Chest-beating Piazza jfc, marriage sounds miserable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48556065) |
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Date: January 16th, 2025 9:59 PM Author: Gaped organic girlfriend It is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48559257) |
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Date: January 16th, 2025 9:56 PM Author: Gaped organic girlfriend This (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48559252) |
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Date: January 16th, 2025 9:57 PM Author: Frisky Point hooooooooooooly shiiiiiiiiiiittttt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48559255) |
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Date: January 17th, 2025 10:30 AM Author: Racy mahogany cuckold (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48560179) |
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Date: January 17th, 2025 11:40 AM Author: chrome messiness Whoa (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48560426) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2025 10:08 AM Author: Blue Unhinged Cruise Ship (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48580966) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2025 10:11 AM Author: comical marketing idea explains women managers too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48580979) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2025 5:51 PM Author: i gave my cousin head (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#49151381) |
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Date: January 17th, 2025 11:39 AM Author: chrome messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48560423) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 8:44 PM Author: Nubile silver kitty cat My wife gets MAF because whenever she wants to "clean together" and I'm like - nope. Email me what you want cleaned and I will just clean it all myself.
They really just want to direct you around like you're there intern. |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 8:51 PM Author: Startled Alpha how do you guys live like this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48556340) |
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Date: January 16th, 2025 11:36 AM Author: territorial chapel Wait until the new update installs and she finds new things to be mad about anyway (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48557618) |
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Date: January 16th, 2025 11:28 PM Author: glittery forum Wow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48559474) |
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Date: January 17th, 2025 4:36 AM Author: Boyish light fat ankles She's mad that you're doing chores at home because it's a sign that you're not making as much money as you theoretically could be making if you have time to do that shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48559725) |
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Date: January 17th, 2025 6:56 AM Author: Lavender legend Top thread. Op should monikerize (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48559808) |
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Date: January 17th, 2025 7:53 AM Author: khaki nursing home skinny woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48559832) |
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Date: January 17th, 2025 9:38 AM Author: Lavender legend 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48560032) |
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Date: January 17th, 2025 9:43 AM Author: kink-friendly stock car op is a retarded jewish pedophile and there is a near 0% chance he actually has a wife. he just makes these threads out of some sense of obligation to promote jewish agitprop and degeneracy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48560039) |
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Date: January 17th, 2025 9:50 AM Author: Galvanic parlor hominid yeah he's a poster on autoadmit.com we fucking get it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48560051) |
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Date: January 17th, 2025 9:51 AM Author: khaki nursing home skinny woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48560054) |
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Date: January 17th, 2025 10:15 AM Author: vivacious locus sex offender (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48560121) |
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Date: January 17th, 2025 9:50 AM Author: Galvanic parlor hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48560050) |
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Date: January 17th, 2025 10:43 AM Author: lascivious shivering wrinkle deer antler When the wife was not working, her story was that it is hard to get all the daily chores done.
When I switched to WFH and she started going in to do an essentially email job, I started doing most of the daily chores. As soon as she leaves for work, I write up a list of chores, put on a podcast, set my phone timer for 45 minutes, and rip through as many chores as fast as possible. If needed I do that again for 30 minutes late in the afternoon.
Her mother came to visit and complimented my wife by saying that our house is now so much cleaner and organized. Her mother didn't realize that I was the one doing nearly all the chores. The wife spent a month fuming, pouting, and saying "I'm not angry" before letting the whole thing explode. |
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Date: January 17th, 2025 11:00 AM Author: lime principal's office milk DESCRIBE said explosion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48560304) |
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Date: January 17th, 2025 11:30 AM Author: lascivious shivering wrinkle deer antler "My mother basically said I was a bad housekeeper and I know you are thinking the same thing even if you don't say it! Which also means that I am a bad mother, in my mother's eyes!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48560402) |
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Date: January 17th, 2025 11:38 AM Author: chrome messiness And her mother would be 100% correct (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48560418) |
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Date: January 17th, 2025 11:41 AM Author: lascivious shivering wrinkle deer antler She's a great mother to our three boys and in particular is a great boys mother. She knows when to let them be rowdy and she can get them to focus when they need to. But her organizational and housekeeping skills are abysmal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48560427) |
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Date: January 17th, 2025 11:42 AM Author: chrome messiness So she can do part of the job but not the other parts. What do you think her mother would think of that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48560430) |
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Date: January 17th, 2025 11:45 AM Author: lascivious shivering wrinkle deer antler Her mother is basically the opposite which is a large part of the problem. Her mother was a pro level housekeeper and all around organized thing-doer but could not nurture let alone tolerate the true personalities of her children. So her mother and my wife are still running a low-grade resentment contest between them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48560436) |
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Date: January 17th, 2025 1:24 PM Author: chrome messiness nice. great set up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48560717) |
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Date: January 20th, 2025 6:08 AM Author: lime principal's office milk There is no win here. Ultimately it's her issues with her mother. Just remember that your wife has the emotional maturity of a 12 year old and you will profit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48567872) |
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Date: January 17th, 2025 10:48 AM Author: insecure background story lodge i asked chatgpt for book recommendations on this specific topic. everything it offered was total garbage
any of you bozos have more longer form Scholarship to suggest? |
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Date: January 17th, 2025 10:58 AM Author: Racy mahogany cuckold My wife is a disgusting slob and any caring whatsoever about “chores” getting done at all (let alone “correctly”) falls to me. I’ve mostly stopped caring at this point.
Not sure whether this is better or worse than a wife/situation like the one described in the OP |
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Date: January 17th, 2025 11:36 AM Author: Histrionic yapping associate Women are 180
The house is spotless when I WFH. When my wife does there are plates left in the sink, empty soda cans on her desk, unmade bed, etc.
It sucks |
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Date: January 17th, 2025 11:58 AM Author: insecure background story lodge Nagging: Domestic Abuse: Exploring the Psychology of Nagging and Relational Aggression (Redpilled Progressive)
Inside, you'll find: An in-depth look at Chris Rock's observation on women's dislike of men resting. A detailed analysis of nagging as a form of relational aggression. A dissection of the 'mean girls' phenomenon in the context of nagging women. An exploration of how women use state police, social services, and other institutions against men. A discussion on animus possession and how women project their negativity onto men. A critique of female supremacy and how it fits into nagging behavior. An examination of how children are used as tools to extort money. A thorough look at the influence of feminism and gender ideology on nagging behavior.
https://www.amazon.com/Nagging-Psychology-Relational-Aggression-Progressive-ebook/dp/B0DGW4F2X2
looks interesting |
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Date: January 20th, 2025 6:09 AM Author: lime principal's office milk "A detailed analysis of nagging as a form of relational aggression." /thread |
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Date: January 23rd, 2025 9:38 AM Author: Lavender legend I don't think women, especially SAHMs, are ever going to recover from this. Each individual task takes somewhere between 30 seconds and 4 minutes. unloading the dishwasher: 3 min tops folding laundry: 4 min cleaning a toilet bowl: 30 seconds
there are some more major time consuming tasks like vacuuming the house but no one expects this done daily.
lol at all of those houses with heaping piles of clean laundry that you are supposed to rummage through and some magnet indicators on the dishwasher that its clean or dirty jfc |
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Date: January 23rd, 2025 9:41 AM Author: wonderful public bath sandwich unloading a dishwasher is a pain imo. but otherwise cr. also i havent folded laundry in years. i either hang it up or if its a tshirt or jeans or whatever i just put the clean clothes in a small pile. if its sheets and bedding stuff you just do the bed, which admittedly is also a pita. towels i guess you fold if theres a ton of them but otherwise put on the rack. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48580913) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2025 11:05 AM Author: crimson motley dog poop Even breaking out a pumice stone to get some hard water stains out of the toilet barely takes much time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#48581108) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2025 5:49 PM Author: ,.,.,.,.,.,..,:,,:,,.,:::,.,,.,:.,,.:.,:.,:.::,. Today she came home from shopping and got MAF to find me laying on the couch watching 2024 college football highlights. She was like “Aren’t you going to mow the lawn?” “Already done,” I told her. “What about installing [our son]’s ceiling fan?” “I did that too,” I replied. “Great. Can you fix the dishwasher?” “I already did.” Her face turned bright red with rage. Now she’s not speaking to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#49151377) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2025 5:54 PM Author: Candy Ride (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5664246&forum_id=2/en-en/#49151382) |