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Black Duke volleyball player gets taunted by BYU whites calling her a nigger

But there’s no video or evidence other than tweets. Ca...
godawful selfie bawdyhouse
  08/27/22
Lesa Pamplin for County Criminal Court #5 Holy shit, sh...
ruby cowardly useless brakes
  08/27/22
It’s her “goddaughter” not even her grandd...
godawful selfie bawdyhouse
  08/27/22
Grammy! Get off twitter!
ruby cowardly useless brakes
  08/27/22
I don't know what's crazier, an arena full of thousands of f...
Lemon stirring principal's office round eye
  08/27/22
It was too heinous and shocking
Startling hospital scourge upon the earth
  08/27/22
“Every time” she served
pearl deep menage
  08/27/22
And in fucking Provo which isn’t some hillbilly hick t...
godawful selfie bawdyhouse
  08/27/22
There's absolutely zero chance this happened in Provo. Cuc...
Claret wonderful office
  08/27/22
She didn’t say it was the whole arena saying it
transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry
  08/27/22
The whole arena abided it, in unified tacit approval, includ...
Lemon stirring principal's office round eye
  08/27/22
#thingsthatneverhappened
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milky beady-eyed area psychic
  08/27/22
Nigger.
wine international law enforcement agency
  08/27/22
Not while she's serving!
Startling hospital scourge upon the earth
  08/27/22
Either she or the daughter is lying The daughter should be ...
pearl deep menage
  08/27/22
I believe it. They’re really racist there. They voted ...
transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry
  08/27/22
What are you on about you retard? Jesus christ can you try t...
Bull headed cracking brethren clown
  08/27/22
She's saying there was a conspiracy between BYU, the police ...
Lemon stirring principal's office round eye
  08/27/22
oh is that what she’s saying
transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry
  08/27/22
There would be video of it if it actually happened the way s...
godawful selfie bawdyhouse
  08/27/22
maybe but you guys admittedly think of her that way so what ...
transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry
  08/27/22
Yes, it matters if this person is lying.
godawful selfie bawdyhouse
  08/27/22
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Why?
transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry
  08/27/22
"I Still Unload": This Man Is a "Nullo" ...
titillating crackhouse associate
  01/31/23
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titillating crackhouse associate
  08/27/22
We think of them that way because they pull shit like this
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bright therapy
  10/03/22
Is this bluesmoke? Lmao Shut up you stupid nigger
wine international law enforcement agency
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bright therapy
  10/03/22
Why are you saying it doesn't matter if she's lying?
Startling hospital scourge upon the earth
  08/27/22
Because she’s right about what matters: you guys WANT ...
transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry
  08/27/22
You keep on saying "you guys" when she is complain...
Bull headed cracking brethren clown
  08/27/22
right
transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry
  08/27/22
I have no desire to call her the n-word or any other names s...
Lemon stirring principal's office round eye
  08/27/22
well then this isn’t about you
transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry
  08/27/22
So its ok to lie about what someone or a group of people act...
Startling hospital scourge upon the earth
  08/27/22
"Think" is key here-- whoever this pumo is keeps i...
Bull headed cracking brethren clown
  08/27/22
Provo voted for Trump twice
transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry
  08/27/22
So did a bunch of blacks and hispanics https://www.bbc.com/...
Bull headed cracking brethren clown
  08/27/22
I doubt they were voting against their own races like white ...
transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry
  08/27/22
Again, what the fuck are you talking about? Is this BS or PP...
Bull headed cracking brethren clown
  08/27/22
Libs really think like this.
Cerise Boyish National Security Agency Electric Furnace
  08/28/22
CR and even BS is smart enough to understand this, retreatin...
Hideous parlor toilet seat
  08/30/22
what if it’s genuinely what they think and feel? how c...
transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry
  08/27/22
Then just call it out if that's your belief and you have sup...
Startling hospital scourge upon the earth
  08/27/22
It doesn’t make any sense for you to be mad about it
transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry
  08/27/22
Not mad about anything. We're discussing whether lying is OK...
Startling hospital scourge upon the earth
  08/27/22
No I’m saying if it’s true that they think of he...
transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry
  08/27/22
I think you're a retard. Like full on retarded. Retard.
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Is this blue smoke? Or is there someone else as disingenuous...
Ebony Theater
  08/28/22
Mormons are the least racist white cucks in the universe. T...
Claret wonderful office
  08/27/22
Not saying this did or didn't happen,but BYU fans are the fu...
Unhinged Pit Cuck
  08/29/22
good window into the shitlib npc mind
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Khaki rehab antidepressant drug
  08/27/22
Wasn’t he unbanned when the truth came to light
transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry
  08/27/22
The truth was always alight. Liars temporarily attempted to ...
Lemon stirring principal's office round eye
  08/27/22
Well, according to BYU, they banned the guy. But didn't ide...
Walnut aromatic famous landscape painting
  08/27/22
It was Joe Smith
Claret wonderful office
  08/27/22
This is not who we are. We need to do better. We must do ...
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  08/27/22
you're talking about blacks, right?
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Bespoke jet-lagged sound barrier trailer park
  08/27/22
Gotta say that her claim is in a far more credible category ...
fuchsia mind-boggling state regret
  08/27/22
I doubt anyone was yelling the n-word as she says, but it's ...
Walnut aromatic famous landscape painting
  08/27/22
if someone yelled the n-word from the BYU section i'd expect...
fuchsia mind-boggling state regret
  08/27/22
this
Khaki rehab antidepressant drug
  08/27/22
Unless he had Downs and people felt sorry for him
godawful selfie bawdyhouse
  08/28/22
no video though odd case
Claret wonderful office
  08/27/22
i said i couldn't discount it, but i can now. tbf, and in...
fuchsia mind-boggling state regret
  08/31/22
Apparently it wasn't an "entire arena." It was one...
Well-lubricated faggot firefighter depressive
  08/27/22
BYU bans fan who yelled slur at Black player on Duke's women...
Marvelous impressive mad-dog skullcap
  08/27/22
Also not clear what "racial slur" he actually said...
Walnut aromatic famous landscape painting
  08/27/22
Sounds like he actually called her a nigger
godawful selfie bawdyhouse
  08/27/22
Whatever may have transpired, we need more affirmative actio...
Dark stimulating pocket flask
  08/27/22
i think he was asking "are they REALLY 40x50 BIGGER?&qu...
histrionic emerald queen of the night
  08/30/22
Why are we assuming it was a ‘him’
Lascivious school cafeteria mood
  08/28/22
https://mobile.twitter.com/TomerAzarly/status/15636217027889...
Lascivious school cafeteria mood
  08/28/22
(Is the Down’s syndrome kid back there likely to be a ...
Lascivious school cafeteria mood
  08/28/22
NEVER say Dinger in public
Elite Motley Sweet Tailpipe
  08/27/22
So the story turned out to be 100% true? Shocker. Cons sudde...
transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry
  08/28/22
lol at them shutting up
ruby cowardly useless brakes
  08/28/22
LOL bro what’s your old moniker? Be honest?
magical son of senegal site
  08/31/22
Hey, where did you go?
Bull headed cracking brethren clown
  08/31/22
Apparently the guy who yelled nigger literally has Downs Syn...
godawful selfie bawdyhouse
  08/28/22
Yeah just an entry arena chanting the n word like a braves t...
Cerise Boyish National Security Agency Electric Furnace
  08/28/22
That’s not what she said nice try
transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry
  08/28/22
The fan was just yelling Cou-Gars, but they thought the fan ...
Khaki rehab antidepressant drug
  08/28/22
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Khaki rehab antidepressant drug
  08/28/22
Nowhere in the original tweet did she claim it was the entir...
ruby cowardly useless brakes
  08/28/22
The guy has Downs.
godawful selfie bawdyhouse
  08/28/22
Link?
Khaki rehab antidepressant drug
  08/28/22
https://www.ksl.com/article/50449149/provo-filmmaker-fulfill...
ruby cowardly useless brakes
  08/28/22
https://twitter.com/tomerazarly/status/1563621702788993024 ...
godawful selfie bawdyhouse
  08/28/22
lmao
Drab maniacal forum
  08/28/22
Gibberish?
ruby cowardly useless brakes
  08/28/22
The bros next to the downs kid are about to have a real bad ...
ruby cowardly useless brakes
  08/28/22
I would say you got your ass blown out, but it's been long b...
Khaki rehab antidepressant drug
  09/01/22
Have all the cons ITT been treated for bloody assholes yet?
transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry
  08/28/22
Oh, you mean because some retard said nigger?
Khaki rehab antidepressant drug
  08/28/22
Why are pretending it was a downs kid?
transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry
  08/28/22
Who else could it be? A fan in the student section that isn&...
Khaki rehab antidepressant drug
  08/28/22
They wouldn’t ban a downs kid you idiot
transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry
  08/28/22
Wanna bet?
Khaki rehab antidepressant drug
  08/28/22
What kind of non BYU student in Utah would go to a BYU women...
godawful selfie bawdyhouse
  08/28/22
You mean it would be convenient for you if it were true but ...
transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry
  08/29/22
occam's razor that's also why the person hasn't been doxx...
lilac swollen library
  08/29/22
Seems pretty simple. Libs on Twitter don’t even seem t...
godawful selfie bawdyhouse
  08/29/22
...
Khaki rehab antidepressant drug
  08/30/22
lol at moniker. but what's sad isn't that someone yelled ...
Thriller shrine
  08/30/22
for sure
Khaki rehab antidepressant drug
  08/30/22
But he didn't say the word. They wrongly accused him.
Lemon stirring principal's office round eye
  08/31/22
everyone is garbage.
Thriller shrine
  08/31/22
It's something to do, and there are hot 6' bitches in spande...
Galvanic avocado main people
  08/30/22
Prateek!
magical son of senegal site
  08/31/22
Who gives a shit. Biden is literally starting world wards. S...
contagious stead messiness
  08/30/22
https://www.byucougarchronicle.org/post/exclusive-racist-com...
Pontificating set crotch
  08/30/22
Prateek Bhopale LOLOLOLOLOL
magical son of senegal site
  08/31/22
...
bright therapy
  10/03/22
Reminder to cons: you could have not poasted this thread at ...
transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry
  08/28/22
https://www.byucougarchronicle.org/post/exclusive-racist-com...
Pontificating set crotch
  08/30/22
odd case
Khaki rehab antidepressant drug
  08/30/22
Live & let live @neelwt · Aug 28 Mormonism ma...
contagious stead messiness
  08/30/22
absolutely devastating
excitant resort
  08/30/22
The only verification for this story is some "judge&quo...
Galvanic avocado main people
  08/30/22
Her entire twitter feed is being racist towards white people...
Khaki rehab antidepressant drug
  08/30/22
Yup. Complete radical who looks like a chipmunk. This neve...
Galvanic avocado main people
  08/30/22
College volleyball players should be wearing tank tops, what...
Galvanic avocado main people
  08/30/22
Long sleeves somehow make legs seem nicer, I've noticed
Bespoke jet-lagged sound barrier trailer park
  08/30/22
Hmm interesting
Galvanic avocado main people
  08/30/22
Update?
transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry
  08/30/22
https://www.byucougarchronicle.org/post/exclusive-racist-com...
Pontificating set crotch
  08/30/22
the whole thing clearly is bullshit and BYU banned a downs k...
titillating crackhouse associate
  08/31/22
the downs kid has nothing to do with this
transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry
  08/31/22
yea the real story is that this yet another obviously fake n...
titillating crackhouse associate
  08/31/22
...
Violent Senate Turdskin
  08/30/22
Holy fuck Prateek Bhopale LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
magical son of senegal site
  08/31/22
https://www.outkick.com/byu-police-cast-doubt-volleyball-fan...
magical son of senegal site
  08/31/22
Lmao libs? Any updates?
Sepia Electric Gaping
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contagious stead messiness
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milky beady-eyed area psychic
  09/01/22
Prateek Bhopale, we’re going to need a response
magical son of senegal site
  09/01/22
Prateek stops responding in any thread he gets destroyed in
Olive persian
  09/01/22
So every thread?
magical son of senegal site
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...
Khaki rehab antidepressant drug
  09/01/22
...
bright therapy
  10/03/22
Update cons?
transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry
  09/01/22
"I Still Unload": This Man Is a "Nullo" ...
titillating crackhouse associate
  09/09/22
update?
Olive persian
  09/09/22
...
contagious stead messiness
  10/12/22
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titillating crackhouse associate
  10/12/22
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bright therapy
  10/03/22
"I Still Unload": This Man Is a "Nullo" ...
titillating crackhouse associate
  10/06/22
cr
adventurous cordovan national
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adventurous cordovan national
  02/20/24
great thread
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Date: August 27th, 2022 4:32 PM
Author: godawful selfie bawdyhouse

But there’s no video or evidence other than tweets. Calling a hoax on this one

https://twitter.com/lesapamplin/status/1563568375074136064

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080580)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 4:35 PM
Author: ruby cowardly useless brakes

Lesa Pamplin for County Criminal Court #5

Holy shit, she's completely wrecking her grandkid in her run for office.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080593)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 5:22 PM
Author: godawful selfie bawdyhouse

It’s her “goddaughter” not even her granddaughter. Total bullshit story

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080776)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 4:34 PM
Author: ruby cowardly useless brakes

Grammy! Get off twitter!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080592)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 4:43 PM
Author: Lemon stirring principal's office round eye

I don't know what's crazier, an arena full of thousands of fans yelling the n-word at a visiting player or the fact that nobody filmed it despite it apparently happening repeatedly the entire game

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080625)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 5:00 PM
Author: Startling hospital scourge upon the earth

It was too heinous and shocking

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080692)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 5:15 PM
Author: pearl deep menage

“Every time” she served

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080748)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 5:23 PM
Author: godawful selfie bawdyhouse

And in fucking Provo which isn’t some hillbilly hick town either

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080778)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 7:41 PM
Author: Claret wonderful office

There's absolutely zero chance this happened in Provo. Cuck mormons are apex nice normies who would NEVER scream the N word. Maybe at U Wyoming.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45081202)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 5:26 PM
Author: transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry

She didn’t say it was the whole arena saying it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080790)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 5:28 PM
Author: Lemon stirring principal's office round eye

The whole arena abided it, in unified tacit approval, including the cops and even Duke's coaching staff, serve after serve after serve

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080792)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 5:02 PM
Author: exciting sienna roast beef address

#thingsthatneverhappened

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080697)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 10:59 PM
Author: milky beady-eyed area psychic



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45081829)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 5:02 PM
Author: wine international law enforcement agency

Nigger.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080698)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 5:03 PM
Author: Startling hospital scourge upon the earth

Not while she's serving!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080706)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 5:15 PM
Author: pearl deep menage

Either she or the daughter is lying

The daughter should be forced to disavow or lose her spot in university for defamation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080751)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 5:26 PM
Author: transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry

I believe it. They’re really racist there. They voted for Trump twice.

Also it makes no sense for you guys to on the one hand be openly racist and call her that behind her back but then get mad if she’s lying about you saying it to her face

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080787)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 5:29 PM
Author: Bull headed cracking brethren clown

What are you on about you retard? Jesus christ can you try to make a good poast just once in your short, fat, shut-in life?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080799)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 5:31 PM
Author: Lemon stirring principal's office round eye

She's saying there was a conspiracy between BYU, the police and perhaps even Duke's own coaches to allow it to happen over and over, which doesn't make any sense and for which there's no video evidence. Nobody thinks she should actually be called the n-word in public. But they also can tell when a high-profile story is bullshit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080804)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 5:35 PM
Author: transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry

oh is that what she’s saying

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080822)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 5:32 PM
Author: godawful selfie bawdyhouse

There would be video of it if it actually happened the way she said. Maybe someone said something mean, then this woman exaggerated it to “the entire arena called my poor goddaughter a nigger!”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080815)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 5:35 PM
Author: transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry

maybe but you guys admittedly think of her that way so what difference does it make if she’s lying about you saying it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080820)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 5:37 PM
Author: godawful selfie bawdyhouse

Yes, it matters if this person is lying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080830)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 5:42 PM
Author: lake vigorous nibblets public bath



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080843)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 6:24 PM
Author: transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry

Why?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080964)



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Date: January 31st, 2023 7:44 PM
Author: titillating crackhouse associate

"I Still Unload": This Man Is a "Nullo" Who Removed His Penis and Balls

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Simon Davis

10/16/14 11:10AM

Filed to: INTERVIEWS

In 1994, a South Florida man who goes by the name Gelding was surgically castrated. In 2011, he had his penis removed as well. He's a "nullo": A cisgender man who removes his external genitalia completely as a form of body modification, and he recently agreed to answer our questions—from "why?" to "what do balls taste like?"

Gelding is a nudist and describes himself as a submissive bear. Apart from his desire to use a pseudonym, he let it all hang out (so to speak) when I reached out to him and graciously answered every question I had.

Is nullo your preferred term to describe yourself and others like you who are castrated and have removed their penis?

Yes, the reason that we use that it is not transgender. It's simply nullification of what you've got. A friend of mine Mack in San Francisco likes to use the term "mascunull", because I remain as masculine as they come with fur and so forth. But I no longer have the parts.

What are some misconceptions people have about nullos?

A few men don't know their own physiology to the point where they think if they lose their balls they can't come any more. And that's false. If you look at the physiology you see that the fluids are made by the seminal vesicles and the prostate. Very little of the fluid and the content is produced in the testes. I still unload.

But the active ingredient for impregnating someone isn't there.

Right.

Do you get a lot of people who think you're trying to become a woman?

Absolutely. And it's mostly the medical profession who sees the sexes as either male or female. And anyone who wants to alter any part of that is in some way suffering from gender dysphoria. They don't like themselves for some reason and they want to change gender. And that's absolutely false.

It's not a dysphoria. I see it in the positive way of working toward something, rather than away from something. Many of the guys instead of putting a negative feel on it see it as a positive. Being castrated is a positive to them. Rather than removing something that they dislike, they are moving in the direction that they want. I went through a long set of psychological evaluation sessions with a psychologist here in town, because that was necessary in order to have the penis removed.

You've previously discussed your 1994 castration. However, I didn't find anything on your penis removal in 2011. Can you talk about that?

I knew I was uncomfortable in having frankly large male parts. I would quite often sit on my own balls because they were loose unless I wore something tight and held them in I would sit on them and squash them. That got me into trouble playing soccer in college when they forced us to wear these hard plastic cups. What happened was I fell on a guy's upright knee with the weight of another player behind me, so two of us fell on the knee. The knee happened to hit the middle of the plastic cup and imploded and tore me up. I was severely injured.

The doctor saved everything but over a period of time the nerves gave me some problems and I had aches in my testicles all the time. When I was in the military service they tried doing a varicose vein removal but that didn't help, it just made matters worse. They thought I was suffering from varicose veins. So after leaving the service I had them removed. And that removed that little problem but I still had the nerve sensations in the penis which woke me up at night. So I could get erect, but it was painful.

So I talked with my urologist and he said the only treatment for that was to make it numb, which is very dangerous because if you make something like that numb then you don't know if it's infected for some reason. Or remove it, but to do that he needs to cover his ass and asked for a psychological evaluation. And my own doctor is a professor at Nova Southeastern University here in. She is the most brilliant doctor I've ever met. So, I asked her about this problem and she was very forthright and said "well, we'll have to treat you". She didn't consider it something that was wrong with me, she said "we have to investigate." I went to see a psychiatrist and he spent a good 90 minutes with me and said "yes, I have just the person that can work with you." So the psychologist did a battery of personality tests and said "you're perfectly fine, your only problem is that you've got these physical problems which work on your nerves." And I said "yeah." And he said "it also works with your personality" because I'm a gay submissive and I always have been and it wasn't working right. So in order to to fix it I worked toward a goal of having things removed. And that was it. I'm working in a positive way to solve my own personal problem.

But was castration something you were contemplating prior to the injury?

Yes. For whatever reason I was always embarrassed by the size of what I had. It didn't fit my personality.

Do you remember when you the fantasy to remove your testicles first occurred?

I had a baby face in high school, there was one of these bullies and he said "you have a man's equipment but you're still a boy" and he squeezed my balls in the shower. He was on the football team, I was on the soccer team showering together and he said "you shouldn't have such big equipment" so he squeezed my balls and at that point it was just a fantasy for me. So how about getting rid of them for some reason?

When did it go from fantasy to aspiration?

It became a fetish thing where I would do sort of more self destructive things with them like putting rubber bands around them and needles through the balls and whatnot. It's a progression which a lot of guys go through. It's something that works on them and they say "Well, how about if we just have them off? Then I won't be bothered by this constant urge to hurt them". And this is where a psychologist gets into the dysphoria. It's very difficult to distinguish whether it's a dislike for something or instead you're working towards something else. I always thought when I was on the beach—I was also on the swim team—and we had Speedos, it was difficult to pack everything in frankly. I would be embarrassed and everybody was looking and here I am and I've got the biggest package and I'm not the biggest guy and I got a whole lot of looks from everybody.

I had a big dick, it got damaged and I was a bottom. I didn't want to use it, I got pushed into using it, I had to take all sorts of medications and was tired of being somebody else's tool.

Broadly speaking, how can someone know that being a nullo is something they actually want to go through with as opposed to something they fantasize about?

That's something really for a psychologist to answer, but in talking to all the guys that I've been talking with, they try to come up with all sorts of different rationalizations to justify it. In my case, my medical situation really didn't justify it because I was just uncomfortable with what I had. It wasn't medically necessary. But I felt that I would be much more comfortable having the issues of having the sensation but not being able to use it well. It was something like a guy having a useless appendage and it's something he has to carry around, and it becomes baggage after a while.

If someone starts/botches the process on their own, what would you recommend they do? Should people use a cover story to avoid getting in trouble?

No. Go to the emergency room. Today, they have been exposed to a lot more of the literature out there than they were 20 years ago. They're not going to be institutionalized. I mean years ago they used to institutionalize guys that were gay.

How would you say the breakdown is between gay and straight men for nullos?

I would have to say it's mostly gays. I don't know of a straight guy who became a nullo.

You had said in a previous interview that for castrations it's about a two to one for gay to straight men that decide to do it.

I've heard of a couple of straight guys who decided that they were making too many babies so they had their balls off so they could take testosterone and continue. I know quite a few bodybuilders both gay and straight whose testes have shrunk because of the steroids they are taking which are bad for their health. So they got castrated and now they're on medically injected testosterone which is good for them. It's not as harmful as oral steroids are or some of the other shit that they're pumping into themselves.

How would you recommend people do their penectomy and castration?

In the last couple of years, my friend Mack from San Francisco ran into Dr. Crane from Brownstein & Crane and he met him, and I don't know how the two of them had the discussion, and then I had a phone interview with Dr. Crane and I explained my situation with him and now Dr. Crane is no longer doing just transgender type of procedures but [also] genital modifications.

So in a way, you educated him.

The protocol that the doctors use for transgender people is called the Harry Benjamin protocol. So for example Dr. Reed in Miami, before you go to his clinic you have to take female hormones for six months and show some development of breasts and whatnot, some feminine characteristics before he will deal with you. And why do that when you simply want to get the genitals removed?

If anything, wouldn't additional testosterone be what you'd need after castration?

Men who get castrated, they do get depressed if they don't start fairly right away on testosterone. Because the falling hormone causes hot flashes first of all, and then the loss of libido. You lose all interest in sex and everything else.

Are there any changes that occur to the body as a result?

Body changes are minimal really. If you lose your balls, you won't lose all your hair.

What about voice? Is that a myth?

Voice doesn't change, no. The larynx is a hard tissue, and the voice box and everything else is a hard tissue. But the timbre of your voice is a factor of the larynx. I sang in the college choir, I know about these things.

One thing I noticed while reading testimonials is that many people seem to try their hand at castration and penectomy but then go to the doctor only if it goes wrong. How much of this would you say is due to the medical profession's reluctance to remove healthy body parts and how much is due to people's general fear of discussing this type of thing with their doctor or therapist?

You know about the Hippocratic oath right? "First do no harm". They have to be convinced that what they are doing is in fact an improvement on your health. Which is why the surgeon is requesting a psychological evaluation. And the psychologist comes back and says "yeah, he's going to be uncomfortable where he is, he's going to be more improved, better mood, better this, better that" and so forth. So from a totality point of view, it's going to get better after he gets modified.

And let me tell you my mood has improved dramatically since going nullo. I don't miss the baggage. I don't miss the fact that I get into sex with a guy, he expects me to perform in some ways, now he doesn't have that expectation. In fact, quite a few guys find it very arousing that they don't have to have that distraction.

Are there other benefits?

Another thing is, guys who are aroused by my situation are very aroused. I've got some guys who are pursuing me a lot. And they just like this idea, because there's nothing there to be in the way. Face to face fucking is very pleasurable. And when they're doing that I actually wet their stomachs with my fluids. And this one guy, he likes to go down on me. He's a bi guy and he said he does this with his girlfriend so he goes down there and starts licking me. And he just loves that idea. He loves the idea that I have a hairy chest and what is to him a very tiny vagina that he can't fuck but he can lick and he can enjoy being the male role. I've even got a straight guy here in town who likes to fuck me because I don't have any male genitals and he doesn't feel threatened by that.

Are there any downsides?

One of the most obvious cons is I have to sit to pee, or I have to use one of these female urination devices. It's an odd funnel shaped device that you can use if there's only a men's urinal. Also, some times I get urinary tract infections. There's a shorter path to the bladder through what I've got now. So I've got to be very careful and keep it clean. I can't get guy fingering me down there because it's the inside of the urethra so it's sensitive.

Do you ever get "phantom dick" syndrome when you are reaching for it out of habit?

A lot of the nerves are bundled on the base of the penis where most of the sensation comes from. It's not along the length of penis but on the base of the penis is where most of the sensations are. And I wake up in the morning with a feeling that I have a big dick that's erect.

In your experience, what percentage of castrations are done by non-medical professionals? How about penectomies? What are the safety risks for each? Would you say one is more difficult than the other for a layman?

I would above three quarters [by non-medical professionals]. And that number is lower than say twenty years ago. There are not as many today.

Which are not as many?

The amateur cutters. There are a lot of wannabes that are successful that manage to stay below the radar of the authorities because they run into trouble because of their lack of skill. Because if you mess up there are problems there. But if you're very careful in choosing the men you work with so that you have very low risk involved, which is age (you don't do old men), you don't do very overweight men, you don't do men who smoke, who don't take drugs and anything else. If you take these fairly low-risk guys and you do it well, then there won't be any problems. Once these guys get castrated, most of them simply become very private and they don't brag about things. They sort of withdraw from pursuing anything else because they've reached their goal.

So is the the percentage of amateur cutters lower today due to more people with medical training performing castrations?

Yes. They are finding that there is a living in this if they do it among other things.

How about with penectomies? I would imagine (and hope!) there's fewer amateurs performing these.

Almost all of them are done by medical professionals. That's tricky, yeah. More tricky. It's sort of major surgery and it's been done by some amateurs. They're fairly good with their surgical techniques. I was actually at one and the guy did a fairly good job but it took a long time and it was a very involved, very slow process. I've heard of only three or four done by cutters in the past and they have left active participation in this.

When you do a penectomy you have to re-route the urethra, yes?

Yes, what I did with this is I knew where I was going with this in 1999 and I contacted my urologist in Hollywood [Florida], an old guy who was just about to retire and I talked to him very carefully and said "in the future I'm going to want the penis removed". And he said "OK, we can do a urethral relocation in the base of the penis".

So how do things like ejaculation and urination work when you've rerouted the urethra and no longer use the penis for them?

With ejaculation, just before you reach the peak, all the fluid is there at the base of the penis, and right before orgasm happens it's the urethra that acts like a rail gun and expels the semen. So when you don't use the penis, there's no force behind it. It just flows out.

What happens to the body parts after removal?

Quite a few [cutters] collect them. They preserve them, they put them in jars. One guy embedded his in plastic and now it's an ornament somewhere. This typically happens when you're in a master/slave dominant/submissive relationship and the submissive gives up his balls to his partner for keepsake. And then you get into this S&M thing where the dominant partner controls and regulates the libido of the submissive. Especially if the submissive is on say androgel where the turnaround time from full sexiness to limp dick is about on the order of a week. The reaction time for the transdermal is very fast. Whereas the injections wear off after two to three weeks. The half life of the testosterone I'm taking is eight days.

You mentioned consumption of body parts in another interview. Is that for real?

It is for real, yes. Some guys do that. Think about the Testy Festy, where they go there and every year there they have concentration of people who are into eating sheep and bull nuts and rocky mountain oysters. I know a few cutters that don't charge anything for their work, the only charge they have is that they get the nuts afterwards.

Is this something that you've tasted?

Yes, as a matter of fact they do taste a little like chicken. Actually I would have to say they taste as much like chicken as they do roast pork. But it all depends on how you cook them. If you cook them in salted butter then they might be saltier than they might otherwise be.

How do you like them cooked?

I went to a cutter's place and he was having an event where he cut a number of guys and I was assisting him there. And what I did is I cooked them up in some butter with some mushrooms. Quite good with a nice red merlot wine.

Cheers to that, Gelding.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45869778)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 8:27 PM
Author: titillating crackhouse associate



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Date: August 27th, 2022 5:42 PM
Author: lake vigorous nibblets public bath

We think of them that way because they pull shit like this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080844)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 2:18 PM
Author: bright therapy



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Date: August 27th, 2022 5:43 PM
Author: wine international law enforcement agency

Is this bluesmoke? Lmao

Shut up you stupid nigger

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080847)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 2:18 PM
Author: bright therapy



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Date: August 27th, 2022 5:46 PM
Author: Startling hospital scourge upon the earth

Why are you saying it doesn't matter if she's lying?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080856)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 6:25 PM
Author: transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry

Because she’s right about what matters: you guys WANT to be able to say that without consequence and WOULD say it if you weren’t cowards

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080968)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 6:28 PM
Author: Bull headed cracking brethren clown

You keep on saying "you guys" when she is complaining about mormons in Provo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080981)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 6:31 PM
Author: transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry

right

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080987)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 6:30 PM
Author: Lemon stirring principal's office round eye

I have no desire to call her the n-word or any other names she would find hurtful

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080982)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 6:32 PM
Author: transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry

well then this isn’t about you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080989)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 6:33 PM
Author: Startling hospital scourge upon the earth

So its ok to lie about what someone or a group of people actually did if you think they wanted to do that or felt that way?

Seems super subjective

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080993)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 6:43 PM
Author: Bull headed cracking brethren clown

"Think" is key here-- whoever this pumo is keeps interchanging white dorks in provo for bald dorks on xo, which is unfair to both groups. because a subset of xo would call this volleyball player that, she was justified in lying about a totally different set of people calling her that. it is really dumb

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45081015)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 6:44 PM
Author: transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry

Provo voted for Trump twice

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45081018)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 6:45 PM
Author: Bull headed cracking brethren clown

So did a bunch of blacks and hispanics

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54972389

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45081019)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 6:54 PM
Author: transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry

I doubt they were voting against their own races like white people were voting against them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45081034)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 6:55 PM
Author: Bull headed cracking brethren clown

Again, what the fuck are you talking about? Is this BS or PP?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45081038)



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Date: August 28th, 2022 8:49 AM
Author: Cerise Boyish National Security Agency Electric Furnace

Libs really think like this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45082861)



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Date: August 30th, 2022 5:58 AM
Author: Hideous parlor toilet seat

CR and even BS is smart enough to understand this, retreating to the hilarious but they voted for drumpf argument

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45092071)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 6:43 PM
Author: transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry

what if it’s genuinely what they think and feel? how can you be mad about calling that out?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45081016)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 6:50 PM
Author: Startling hospital scourge upon the earth

Then just call it out if that's your belief and you have support for it. I'm not condoning the shit. If your position is justified, you don't need to invent or fabricate lies to convince people. The fact that you feel the need to do that speaks volumes about the merits of your position. If you believe you're right, just provide the facts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45081027)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 6:55 PM
Author: transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry

It doesn’t make any sense for you to be mad about it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45081036)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 6:58 PM
Author: Startling hospital scourge upon the earth

Not mad about anything. We're discussing whether lying is OK in this situation and you're saying yes bc the liar subjectively believes that's the other person's "genuine feelings" and lying is the only way to prove that since they haven't done or said anything

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45081046)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 8:58 PM
Author: transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry

No I’m saying if it’s true that they think of her that way then they have no reason to be mad for her calling it out and saying they said what they wish they could say without consequences

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45081423)



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Date: August 28th, 2022 8:51 AM
Author: Cerise Boyish National Security Agency Electric Furnace

I think you're a retard. Like full on retarded. Retard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45082866)



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Date: August 28th, 2022 9:10 AM
Author: Startling hospital scourge upon the earth



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Date: August 25th, 2023 10:12 AM
Author: adventurous cordovan national



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Date: February 20th, 2024 12:40 PM
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Date: August 27th, 2022 10:27 PM
Author: brass karate

if you aren't flame,you are a fucking retard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45081703)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 10:40 PM
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Date: August 28th, 2022 8:50 AM
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Date: August 25th, 2023 10:12 AM
Author: adventurous cordovan national



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Date: February 20th, 2024 12:39 PM
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Date: June 21st, 2024 11:06 AM
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Date: December 13th, 2024 1:21 PM
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Date: October 15th, 2025 4:37 PM
Author: ....,.,.;;;,.,,:,.,.,::,.....,:,..,..




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Date: August 28th, 2022 8:21 AM
Author: Ebony Theater

Is this blue smoke? Or is there someone else as disingenuous and intellectually lazy on this board.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45082792)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 7:47 PM
Author: Claret wonderful office

Mormons are the least racist white cucks in the universe. They what every brown person to convert to their cult.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45081237)



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Date: August 29th, 2022 12:49 AM
Author: Unhinged Pit Cuck

Not saying this did or didn't happen,but BYU fans are the fucking worst. Complete fucking scumbags. At least the ones that traveled for football.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45086493)



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Date: November 7th, 2023 12:48 PM
Author: adventurous cordovan national

good window into the shitlib npc mind

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#47029219)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 6:17 PM
Author: Khaki rehab antidepressant drug



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Date: August 27th, 2022 6:27 PM
Author: transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry

Wasn’t he unbanned when the truth came to light

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080975)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 6:32 PM
Author: Lemon stirring principal's office round eye

The truth was always alight. Liars temporarily attempted to darken the world and destroy an innocent person, as they always do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45080988)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 6:37 PM
Author: Walnut aromatic famous landscape painting

Well, according to BYU, they banned the guy. But didn't identify him. Odd.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45081002)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 7:55 PM
Author: Claret wonderful office

It was Joe Smith

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Date: August 27th, 2022 6:41 PM
Author: Bespoke jet-lagged sound barrier trailer park

This is not who we are.

We need to do better. We must do the work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45081007)



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Date: August 29th, 2022 11:00 AM
Author: Metal sanctuary dopamine

you're talking about blacks, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45087775)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 6:44 PM
Author: Bespoke jet-lagged sound barrier trailer park



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Date: August 27th, 2022 6:55 PM
Author: fuchsia mind-boggling state regret

Gotta say that her claim is in a far more credible category than the typical university-based claim.

and BYU's statement probably indicates that some racist made some nasty comments.

so this one i cannot discount at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45081039)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 7:43 PM
Author: Walnut aromatic famous landscape painting

I doubt anyone was yelling the n-word as she says, but it's likely there was a guy there who said something mean to her, and was banned by BYU for it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45081215)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 8:09 PM
Author: fuchsia mind-boggling state regret

if someone yelled the n-word from the BYU section i'd expect a severe and immediate crowd reaction against the yeller.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45081299)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 8:52 PM
Author: Khaki rehab antidepressant drug

this

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Date: August 28th, 2022 9:29 AM
Author: godawful selfie bawdyhouse

Unless he had Downs and people felt sorry for him

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Date: August 27th, 2022 7:48 PM
Author: Claret wonderful office

no video though odd case

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45081241)



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Date: August 31st, 2022 3:50 PM
Author: fuchsia mind-boggling state regret

i said i couldn't discount it, but i can now.

tbf, and in my self-defense, the typical university based race hoax occurs in the dead of night or with no one watching. this claim of openly and notorious n-wording seemed completely different. who the fuck claims that when the proof of the act vel non is so public?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45099976)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 7:58 PM
Author: Well-lubricated faggot firefighter depressive

Apparently it wasn't an "entire arena." It was one dude. And BYU gave him a lifetime ban from all athletic events:

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/34471867/byu-bans-fan-yelled-slur-black-player-duke-women-volleyball-team

I would assume that they wouldn't do this unless there was some evidence to support these accusations (either video or the testimony of neighboring fans or something like that).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45081263)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 8:25 PM
Author: Marvelous impressive mad-dog skullcap

BYU bans fan who yelled slur at Black player on Duke's women's volleyball team

Associated Press

PROVO, Utah -- BYU banned a fan who yelled a racial slur at a Black player on Duke's women volleyball team during a match Friday night, the university said in a statement Saturday.

The fan was sitting in the BYU student section but was not a student, and has been banned from all athletic venues on campus, the statement said.

"We will not tolerate behavior of this kind," the statement said. "Specifically, the use of a racial slur at any of our athletic events is absolutely unacceptable and BYU Athletics holds a zero-tolerance approach to this behavior. We wholeheartedly apologize to Duke University and especially its student-athlete competing last night for what they experienced. We want BYU athletic events to provide a safe environment for all, and there is no place for behaviors like this in our venues."

Duke said its match Saturday against Rider was moved from BYU's Smith Fieldhouse to a different venue in Provo.

"First and foremost, our priority is the well-being of Duke student-athletes," Duke athletic director Nina King said in a statement. "They should always have the opportunity to compete in an inclusive, anti-racist environment which promotes equality and fair play. Following extremely unfortunate circumstances at Friday night's match at BYU, we are compelled to shift today's match against Rider to a different location to afford both teams the safest atmosphere for competition."

Lesa Pamplin, a candidate for circuit court judge in Fort Worth, Texas, identified the player subjected to the verbal abuse as her goddaughter.

"My Goddaughter is the only black starter for Dukes volleyball team," Pamplin tweeted from her campaign account, adding that the player was called a racial slur "every time she served. She was threatened by a white male that told her to watch her back going to the team bus. A police officer had to be put by their bench."

An email sent to Pamplin's campaign seeking comment on Saturday was not immediately returned.

Duke and BYU are playing in a four-team, round-robin invitational along with Rider and Washington State. BYU beat Duke 3-1 in Friday's match.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45081334)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 9:46 PM
Author: Walnut aromatic famous landscape painting

Also not clear what "racial slur" he actually said. Anything can be considered a racial slur.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45081561)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 10:39 PM
Author: godawful selfie bawdyhouse

Sounds like he actually called her a nigger

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45081751)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 10:41 PM
Author: Dark stimulating pocket flask

Whatever may have transpired, we need more affirmative action and diversity programs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45081757)



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Date: August 30th, 2022 4:26 AM
Author: histrionic emerald queen of the night

i think he was asking "are they REALLY 40x50 BIGGER?" and the crowd noise drowned out most of it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45092024)



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Date: August 28th, 2022 9:03 AM
Author: Lascivious school cafeteria mood

Why are we assuming it was a ‘him’

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45082898)



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Date: August 28th, 2022 9:06 AM
Author: Lascivious school cafeteria mood

https://mobile.twitter.com/TomerAzarly/status/1563621702788993024

A little video and photographic evidence, doesn’t really narrow down what happened that much

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45082905)



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Date: August 28th, 2022 9:10 AM
Author: Lascivious school cafeteria mood

(Is the Down’s syndrome kid back there likely to be a BYU student?)

https://mobile.twitter.com/TomerAzarly/status/1563621702788993024/photo/1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45082906)



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Date: August 27th, 2022 9:47 PM
Author: Elite Motley Sweet Tailpipe

NEVER say Dinger in public

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45081567)



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Date: August 28th, 2022 8:46 AM
Author: transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry

So the story turned out to be 100% true? Shocker. Cons suddenly silent ITT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45082853)



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Date: August 28th, 2022 8:50 AM
Author: ruby cowardly useless brakes

lol at them shutting up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45082865)



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Date: August 31st, 2022 7:33 AM
Author: magical son of senegal site

LOL bro what’s your old moniker? Be honest?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45097820)



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Date: August 31st, 2022 3:52 PM
Author: Bull headed cracking brethren clown

Hey, where did you go?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45099988)



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Date: August 28th, 2022 8:52 AM
Author: godawful selfie bawdyhouse

Apparently the guy who yelled nigger literally has Downs Syndrome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45082869)



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Date: August 28th, 2022 8:53 AM
Author: Cerise Boyish National Security Agency Electric Furnace

Yeah just an entry arena chanting the n word like a braves tomahawk rally

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45082873)



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Date: August 28th, 2022 8:55 AM
Author: transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry

That’s not what she said nice try

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45082878)



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Date: August 28th, 2022 9:00 AM
Author: Khaki rehab antidepressant drug

The fan was just yelling Cou-Gars, but they thought the fan was saying Coooon Gurrrrl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45082891)



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Date: August 28th, 2022 8:58 AM
Author: Khaki rehab antidepressant drug



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45082886)



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Date: August 28th, 2022 9:02 AM
Author: ruby cowardly useless brakes

Nowhere in the original tweet did she claim it was the entire arena. Every single factual statement has apparently been confirmed:

"My Goddaughter is the only black starter for Dukes volleyball team. While playing yesterday, she was called a nigger every time she served. She was threatened by a white male that told her to watch her back going to the team bus. A police officer had to be put by their bench."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45082893)



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Date: August 28th, 2022 9:03 AM
Author: godawful selfie bawdyhouse

The guy has Downs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45082900)



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Date: August 28th, 2022 9:05 AM
Author: Khaki rehab antidepressant drug

Link?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45082903)



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Date: August 28th, 2022 9:11 AM
Author: ruby cowardly useless brakes

https://www.ksl.com/article/50449149/provo-filmmaker-fulfilling-promise-to-brother-with-down-syndrome-by-making-him-a-movie-star-

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45082909)



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Date: August 28th, 2022 9:13 AM
Author: godawful selfie bawdyhouse

https://twitter.com/tomerazarly/status/1563621702788993024

Look at the photos and pick out the obvious non student

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45082912)



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Date: August 28th, 2022 11:54 AM
Author: Drab maniacal forum

lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45083364)



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Date: August 28th, 2022 9:11 AM
Author: ruby cowardly useless brakes

Gibberish?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45082908)



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Date: August 28th, 2022 9:13 AM
Author: ruby cowardly useless brakes

The bros next to the downs kid are about to have a real bad time: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbMZpksUsAEGlbN?format=jpg&name=large

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45082913)



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Date: September 1st, 2022 9:11 AM
Author: Khaki rehab antidepressant drug

I would say you got your ass blown out, but it's been long blown out irreparably.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45103166)



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Date: August 28th, 2022 11:09 AM
Author: transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry

Have all the cons ITT been treated for bloody assholes yet?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45083208)



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Date: August 28th, 2022 11:09 AM
Author: Khaki rehab antidepressant drug

Oh, you mean because some retard said nigger?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45083212)



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Date: August 28th, 2022 11:12 AM
Author: transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry

Why are pretending it was a downs kid?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45083219)



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Date: August 28th, 2022 11:16 AM
Author: Khaki rehab antidepressant drug

Who else could it be? A fan in the student section that isn’t a student.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbMZpksUsAEGlbN?format=jpg&name=large

No normal person would yell those things

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45083231)



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Date: August 28th, 2022 11:37 AM
Author: transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry

They wouldn’t ban a downs kid you idiot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45083301)



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Date: August 28th, 2022 11:39 AM
Author: Khaki rehab antidepressant drug

Wanna bet?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45083309)



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Date: August 28th, 2022 3:12 PM
Author: godawful selfie bawdyhouse

What kind of non BYU student in Utah would go to a BYU women’s volleyball match? Seems very likely the simpleton Downs kid was the person wilding out calling her a nigger in public.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45083994)



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Date: August 29th, 2022 10:20 AM
Author: transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry

You mean it would be convenient for you if it were true but there’s absolutely nothing to suggest that is the case

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45087609)



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Date: August 29th, 2022 10:33 AM
Author: lilac swollen library

occam's razor

that's also why the person hasn't been doxxed

sorry lib, but you're still living in the 1950 Deep South if you think a white college kid called her the n-word. in fact, we know it wasn't a college kid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45087640)



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Date: August 29th, 2022 10:39 AM
Author: godawful selfie bawdyhouse

Seems pretty simple. Libs on Twitter don’t even seem to be demanding to know who was yelling at her. They already know the answer but want to have this vague story continue circulating. They know people would feel differently if they knew it was a Downs kid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45087670)



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Date: August 30th, 2022 12:35 AM
Author: Khaki rehab antidepressant drug



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45091673)



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Date: August 30th, 2022 12:37 AM
Author: Thriller shrine

lol at moniker.

but what's sad isn't that someone yelled nigger. whatever. we deal with that kind of shit and it's expected in certain environments. what's sad is some down's syndrome kid even knows that word. that's a failing of the society around him.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45091685)



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Date: August 30th, 2022 2:07 AM
Author: Khaki rehab antidepressant drug

for sure

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45091850)



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Date: August 31st, 2022 1:32 AM
Author: Lemon stirring principal's office round eye

But he didn't say the word. They wrongly accused him.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45097432)



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Date: August 31st, 2022 9:54 AM
Author: Thriller shrine

everyone is garbage.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45098142)



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Date: August 30th, 2022 4:00 AM
Author: Galvanic avocado main people

It's something to do, and there are hot 6' bitches in spandex?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45092005)



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Date: August 31st, 2022 7:31 AM
Author: magical son of senegal site

Prateek!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45097815)



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Date: August 30th, 2022 3:32 AM
Author: contagious stead messiness

Who gives a shit. Biden is literally starting world wards. Some Down's kid calls a nigger a nigger. OH NO!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45091984)



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Date: August 30th, 2022 10:58 PM
Author: Pontificating set crotch

https://www.byucougarchronicle.org/post/exclusive-racist-comments-at-byu-volleyball-game-never-happened-sources-suggest

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45096790)



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Date: August 31st, 2022 7:19 AM
Author: magical son of senegal site

Prateek Bhopale LOLOLOLOLOL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45097788)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 2:22 PM
Author: bright therapy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45272007)



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Date: August 28th, 2022 11:38 AM
Author: transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry

Reminder to cons: you could have not poasted this thread at all and you would be better off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45083302)



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Date: August 30th, 2022 10:54 PM
Author: Pontificating set crotch

https://www.byucougarchronicle.org/post/exclusive-racist-comments-at-byu-volleyball-game-never-happened-sources-suggest

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45096772)



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Date: August 30th, 2022 11:06 PM
Author: Khaki rehab antidepressant drug

odd case

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45096815)



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Date: August 30th, 2022 3:28 AM
Author: contagious stead messiness

Live & let live

@neelwt

·

Aug 28

Mormonism may be the whitest religion of all. Utah is one of the least diverse states in the nation. And, yes, the racist stain of Trumpism has seeped into every corner of American society. Perhaps more accurately, it was already there, activated by Trumpism.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45091982)



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Date: August 30th, 2022 3:54 AM
Author: excitant resort

absolutely devastating

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45092001)



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Date: August 30th, 2022 4:01 AM
Author: Galvanic avocado main people

The only verification for this story is some "judge" from Texas who claims to be the player's godmother, and wasn't even at the game. NEVER HAPPENED. But they'll call us all "racist" again to win the midterms. That's what this is.

Of course the supercucks at BYU immediately apologize and cave.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45092008)



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Date: August 30th, 2022 4:33 AM
Author: Khaki rehab antidepressant drug

Her entire twitter feed is being racist towards white people and asians fwiw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45092028)



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Date: August 30th, 2022 4:35 AM
Author: Galvanic avocado main people

Yup. Complete radical who looks like a chipmunk. This never happened and BYU cucked like the Mormon cucks they are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45092031)



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Date: August 30th, 2022 4:53 AM
Author: Galvanic avocado main people

College volleyball players should be wearing tank tops, what's with the long sleeves

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45092038)



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Date: August 30th, 2022 7:27 PM
Author: Bespoke jet-lagged sound barrier trailer park

Long sleeves somehow make legs seem nicer, I've noticed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45095463)



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Date: August 30th, 2022 10:58 PM
Author: Galvanic avocado main people

Hmm interesting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45096791)



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Date: August 30th, 2022 10:29 AM
Author: transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry

Update?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45092624)



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Date: August 30th, 2022 10:55 PM
Author: Pontificating set crotch

https://www.byucougarchronicle.org/post/exclusive-racist-comments-at-byu-volleyball-game-never-happened-sources-suggest

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45096775)



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Date: August 31st, 2022 9:33 AM
Author: titillating crackhouse associate

the whole thing clearly is bullshit and BYU banned a downs kid who probably didn't even say anything bad because they are a bunch of mormon cucks.

not even worth shit eatering you itt because you are doing a great enough job showing what an unhinged retard you are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45098070)



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Date: August 31st, 2022 9:49 AM
Author: transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry

the downs kid has nothing to do with this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45098121)



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Date: August 31st, 2022 9:59 AM
Author: titillating crackhouse associate

yea the real story is that this yet another obviously fake non-incident incident that morons like you are lapping up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45098158)



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Date: August 30th, 2022 11:08 PM
Author: Violent Senate Turdskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45096823)



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Date: August 31st, 2022 7:19 AM
Author: magical son of senegal site

Holy fuck Prateek Bhopale LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45097786)



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Date: August 31st, 2022 3:13 PM
Author: magical son of senegal site

https://www.outkick.com/byu-police-cast-doubt-volleyball-fan-used-n-word-duke/

Prateek, come out to play!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45099756)



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Date: August 31st, 2022 8:41 PM
Author: Sepia Electric Gaping

Lmao libs? Any updates?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45101297)



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Date: September 1st, 2022 5:06 AM
Author: contagious stead messiness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45102787)



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Date: September 1st, 2022 7:58 AM
Author: milky beady-eyed area psychic



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45102953)



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Date: September 1st, 2022 7:59 AM
Author: magical son of senegal site

Prateek Bhopale, we’re going to need a response

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45102958)



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Date: September 1st, 2022 8:02 AM
Author: Olive persian

Prateek stops responding in any thread he gets destroyed in

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45102961)



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Date: September 1st, 2022 8:12 AM
Author: magical son of senegal site

So every thread?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45102984)



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Date: September 1st, 2022 9:10 AM
Author: Khaki rehab antidepressant drug



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45103163)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 2:22 PM
Author: bright therapy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45272012)



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Date: September 1st, 2022 11:13 AM
Author: transparent irradiated nursing home faggotry

Update cons?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5181255&forum_id=2:#45103610)



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Date: September 9th, 2022 11:24 AM
Author: titillating crackhouse associate

"I Still Unload": This Man Is a "Nullo" Who Removed His Penis and Balls

559.91K

Simon Davis

10/16/14 11:10AM

Filed to: INTERVIEWS

In 1994, a South Florida man who goes by the name Gelding was surgically castrated. In 2011, he had his penis removed as well. He's a "nullo": A cisgender man who removes his external genitalia completely as a form of body modification, and he recently agreed to answer our questions—from "why?" to "what do balls taste like?"

Gelding is a nudist and describes himself as a submissive bear. Apart from his desire to use a pseudonym, he let it all hang out (so to speak) when I reached out to him and graciously answered every question I had.

Is nullo your preferred term to describe yourself and others like you who are castrated and have removed their penis?

Yes, the reason that we use that it is not transgender. It's simply nullification of what you've got. A friend of mine Mack in San Francisco likes to use the term "mascunull", because I remain as masculine as they come with fur and so forth. But I no longer have the parts.

What are some misconceptions people have about nullos?

A few men don't know their own physiology to the point where they think if they lose their balls they can't come any more. And that's false. If you look at the physiology you see that the fluids are made by the seminal vesicles and the prostate. Very little of the fluid and the content is produced in the testes. I still unload.

But the active ingredient for impregnating someone isn't there.

Right.

Do you get a lot of people who think you're trying to become a woman?

Absolutely. And it's mostly the medical profession who sees the sexes as either male or female. And anyone who wants to alter any part of that is in some way suffering from gender dysphoria. They don't like themselves for some reason and they want to change gender. And that's absolutely false.

It's not a dysphoria. I see it in the positive way of working toward something, rather than away from something. Many of the guys instead of putting a negative feel on it see it as a positive. Being castrated is a positive to them. Rather than removing something that they dislike, they are moving in the direction that they want. I went through a long set of psychological evaluation sessions with a psychologist here in town, because that was necessary in order to have the penis removed.

You've previously discussed your 1994 castration. However, I didn't find anything on your penis removal in 2011. Can you talk about that?

I knew I was uncomfortable in having frankly large male parts. I would quite often sit on my own balls because they were loose unless I wore something tight and held them in I would sit on them and squash them. That got me into trouble playing soccer in college when they forced us to wear these hard plastic cups. What happened was I fell on a guy's upright knee with the weight of another player behind me, so two of us fell on the knee. The knee happened to hit the middle of the plastic cup and imploded and tore me up. I was severely injured.

The doctor saved everything but over a period of time the nerves gave me some problems and I had aches in my testicles all the time. When I was in the military service they tried doing a varicose vein removal but that didn't help, it just made matters worse. They thought I was suffering from varicose veins. So after leaving the service I had them removed. And that removed that little problem but I still had the nerve sensations in the penis which woke me up at night. So I could get erect, but it was painful.

So I talked with my urologist and he said the only treatment for that was to make it numb, which is very dangerous because if you make something like that numb then you don't know if it's infected for some reason. Or remove it, but to do that he needs to cover his ass and asked for a psychological evaluation. And my own doctor is a professor at Nova Southeastern University here in. She is the most brilliant doctor I've ever met. So, I asked her about this problem and she was very forthright and said "well, we'll have to treat you". She didn't consider it something that was wrong with me, she said "we have to investigate." I went to see a psychiatrist and he spent a good 90 minutes with me and said "yes, I have just the person that can work with you." So the psychologist did a battery of personality tests and said "you're perfectly fine, your only problem is that you've got these physical problems which work on your nerves." And I said "yeah." And he said "it also works with your personality" because I'm a gay submissive and I always have been and it wasn't working right. So in order to to fix it I worked toward a goal of having things removed. And that was it. I'm working in a positive way to solve my own personal problem.

But was castration something you were contemplating prior to the injury?

Yes. For whatever reason I was always embarrassed by the size of what I had. It didn't fit my personality.

Do you remember when you the fantasy to remove your testicles first occurred?

I had a baby face in high school, there was one of these bullies and he said "you have a man's equipment but you're still a boy" and he squeezed my balls in the shower. He was on the football team, I was on the soccer team showering together and he said "you shouldn't have such big equipment" so he squeezed my balls and at that point it was just a fantasy for me. So how about getting rid of them for some reason?

When did it go from fantasy to aspiration?

It became a fetish thing where I would do sort of more self destructive things with them like putting rubber bands around them and needles through the balls and whatnot. It's a progression which a lot of guys go through. It's something that works on them and they say "Well, how about if we just have them off? Then I won't be bothered by this constant urge to hurt them". And this is where a psychologist gets into the dysphoria. It's very difficult to distinguish whether it's a dislike for something or instead you're working towards something else. I always thought when I was on the beach—I was also on the swim team—and we had Speedos, it was difficult to pack everything in frankly. I would be embarrassed and everybody was looking and here I am and I've got the biggest package and I'm not the biggest guy and I got a whole lot of looks from everybody.

I had a big dick, it got damaged and I was a bottom. I didn't want to use it, I got pushed into using it, I had to take all sorts of medications and was tired of being somebody else's tool.

Broadly speaking, how can someone know that being a nullo is something they actually want to go through with as opposed to something they fantasize about?

That's something really for a psychologist to answer, but in talking to all the guys that I've been talking with, they try to come up with all sorts of different rationalizations to justify it. In my case, my medical situation really didn't justify it because I was just uncomfortable with what I had. It wasn't medically necessary. But I felt that I would be much more comfortable having the issues of having the sensation but not being able to use it well. It was something like a guy having a useless appendage and it's something he has to carry around, and it becomes baggage after a while.

If someone starts/botches the process on their own, what would you recommend they do? Should people use a cover story to avoid getting in trouble?

No. Go to the emergency room. Today, they have been exposed to a lot more of the literature out there than they were 20 years ago. They're not going to be institutionalized. I mean years ago they used to institutionalize guys that were gay.

How would you say the breakdown is between gay and straight men for nullos?

I would have to say it's mostly gays. I don't know of a straight guy who became a nullo.

You had said in a previous interview that for castrations it's about a two to one for gay to straight men that decide to do it.

I've heard of a couple of straight guys who decided that they were making too many babies so they had their balls off so they could take testosterone and continue. I know quite a few bodybuilders both gay and straight whose testes have shrunk because of the steroids they are taking which are bad for their health. So they got castrated and now they're on medically injected testosterone which is good for them. It's not as harmful as oral steroids are or some of the other shit that they're pumping into themselves.

How would you recommend people do their penectomy and castration?

In the last couple of years, my friend Mack from San Francisco ran into Dr. Crane from Brownstein & Crane and he met him, and I don't know how the two of them had the discussion, and then I had a phone interview with Dr. Crane and I explained my situation with him and now Dr. Crane is no longer doing just transgender type of procedures but [also] genital modifications.

So in a way, you educated him.

The protocol that the doctors use for transgender people is called the Harry Benjamin protocol. So for example Dr. Reed in Miami, before you go to his clinic you have to take female hormones for six months and show some development of breasts and whatnot, some feminine characteristics before he will deal with you. And why do that when you simply want to get the genitals removed?

If anything, wouldn't additional testosterone be what you'd need after castration?

Men who get castrated, they do get depressed if they don't start fairly right away on testosterone. Because the falling hormone causes hot flashes first of all, and then the loss of libido. You lose all interest in sex and everything else.

Are there any changes that occur to the body as a result?

Body changes are minimal really. If you lose your balls, you won't lose all your hair.

What about voice? Is that a myth?

Voice doesn't change, no. The larynx is a hard tissue, and the voice box and everything else is a hard tissue. But the timbre of your voice is a factor of the larynx. I sang in the college choir, I know about these things.

One thing I noticed while reading testimonials is that many people seem to try their hand at castration and penectomy but then go to the doctor only if it goes wrong. How much of this would you say is due to the medical profession's reluctance to remove healthy body parts and how much is due to people's general fear of discussing this type of thing with their doctor or therapist?

You know about the Hippocratic oath right? "First do no harm". They have to be convinced that what they are doing is in fact an improvement on your health. Which is why the surgeon is requesting a psychological evaluation. And the psychologist comes back and says "yeah, he's going to be uncomfortable where he is, he's going to be more improved, better mood, better this, better that" and so forth. So from a totality point of view, it's going to get better after he gets modified.

And let me tell you my mood has improved dramatically since going nullo. I don't miss the baggage. I don't miss the fact that I get into sex with a guy, he expects me to perform in some ways, now he doesn't have that expectation. In fact, quite a few guys find it very arousing that they don't have to have that distraction.

Are there other benefits?

Another thing is, guys who are aroused by my situation are very aroused. I've got some guys who are pursuing me a lot. And they just like this idea, because there's nothing there to be in the way. Face to face fucking is very pleasurable. And when they're doing that I actually wet their stomachs with my fluids. And this one guy, he likes to go down on me. He's a bi guy and he said he does this with his girlfriend so he goes down there and starts licking me. And he just loves that idea. He loves the idea that I have a hairy chest and what is to him a very tiny vagina that he can't fuck but he can lick and he can enjoy being the male role. I've even got a straight guy here in town who likes to fuck me because I don't have any male genitals and he doesn't feel threatened by that.

Are there any downsides?

One of the most obvious cons is I have to sit to pee, or I have to use one of these female urination devices. It's an odd funnel shaped device that you can use if there's only a men's urinal. Also, some times I get urinary tract infections. There's a shorter path to the bladder through what I've got now. So I've got to be very careful and keep it clean. I can't get guy fingering me down there because it's the inside of the urethra so it's sensitive.

Do you ever get "phantom dick" syndrome when you are reaching for it out of habit?

A lot of the nerves are bundled on the base of the penis where most of the sensation comes from. It's not along the length of penis but on the base of the penis is where most of the sensations are. And I wake up in the morning with a feeling that I have a big dick that's erect.

In your experience, what percentage of castrations are done by non-medical professionals? How about penectomies? What are the safety risks for each? Would you say one is more difficult than the other for a layman?

I would above three quarters [by non-medical professionals]. And that number is lower than say twenty years ago. There are not as many today.

Which are not as many?

The amateur cutters. There are a lot of wannabes that are successful that manage to stay below the radar of the authorities because they run into trouble because of their lack of skill. Because if you mess up there are problems there. But if you're very careful in choosing the men you work with so that you have very low risk involved, which is age (you don't do old men), you don't do very overweight men, you don't do men who smoke, who don't take drugs and anything else. If you take these fairly low-risk guys and you do it well, then there won't be any problems. Once these guys get castrated, most of them simply become very private and they don't brag about things. They sort of withdraw from pursuing anything else because they've reached their goal.

So is the the percentage of amateur cutters lower today due to more people with medical training performing castrations?

Yes. They are finding that there is a living in this if they do it among other things.

How about with penectomies? I would imagine (and hope!) there's fewer amateurs performing these.

Almost all of them are done by medical professionals. That's tricky, yeah. More tricky. It's sort of major surgery and it's been done by some amateurs. They're fairly good with their surgical techniques. I was actually at one and the guy did a fairly good job but it took a long time and it was a very involved, very slow process. I've heard of only three or four done by cutters in the past and they have left active participation in this.

When you do a penectomy you have to re-route the urethra, yes?

Yes, what I did with this is I knew where I was going with this in 1999 and I contacted my urologist in Hollywood [Florida], an old guy who was just about to retire and I talked to him very carefully and said "in the future I'm going to want the penis removed". And he said "OK, we can do a urethral relocation in the base of the penis".

So how do things like ejaculation and urination work when you've rerouted the urethra and no longer use the penis for them?

With ejaculation, just before you reach the peak, all the fluid is there at the base of the penis, and right before orgasm happens it's the urethra that acts like a rail gun and expels the semen. So when you don't use the penis, there's no force behind it. It just flows out.

What happens to the body parts after removal?

Quite a few [cutters] collect them. They preserve them, they put them in jars. One guy embedded his in plastic and now it's an ornament somewhere. This typically happens when you're in a master/slave dominant/submissive relationship and the submissive gives up his balls to his partner for keepsake. And then you get into this S&M thing where the dominant partner controls and regulates the libido of the submissive. Especially if the submissive is on say androgel where the turnaround time from full sexiness to limp dick is about on the order of a week. The reaction time for the transdermal is very fast. Whereas the injections wear off after two to three weeks. The half life of the testosterone I'm taking is eight days.

You mentioned consumption of body parts in another interview. Is that for real?

It is for real, yes. Some guys do that. Think about the Testy Festy, where they go there and every year there they have concentration of people who are into eating sheep and bull nuts and rocky mountain oysters. I know a few cutters that don't charge anything for their work, the only charge they have is that they get the nuts afterwards.

Is this something that you've tasted?

Yes, as a matter of fact they do taste a little like chicken. Actually I would have to say they taste as much like chicken as they do roast pork. But it all depends on how you cook them. If you cook them in salted butter then they might be saltier than they might otherwise be.

How do you like them cooked?

I went to a cutter's place and he was having an event where he cut a number of guys and I was assisting him there. And what I did is I cooked them up in some butter with some mushrooms. Quite good with a nice red merlot wine.

Cheers to that, Gelding.

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"I Still Unload": This Man Is a "Nullo" Who Removed His Penis and Balls

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Simon Davis

10/16/14 11:10AM

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In 1994, a South Florida man who goes by the name Gelding was surgically castrated. In 2011, he had his penis removed as well. He's a "nullo": A cisgender man who removes his external genitalia completely as a form of body modification, and he recently agreed to answer our questions—from "why?" to "what do balls taste like?"

Gelding is a nudist and describes himself as a submissive bear. Apart from his desire to use a pseudonym, he let it all hang out (so to speak) when I reached out to him and graciously answered every question I had.

Is nullo your preferred term to describe yourself and others like you who are castrated and have removed their penis?

Yes, the reason that we use that it is not transgender. It's simply nullification of what you've got. A friend of mine Mack in San Francisco likes to use the term "mascunull", because I remain as masculine as they come with fur and so forth. But I no longer have the parts.

What are some misconceptions people have about nullos?

A few men don't know their own physiology to the point where they think if they lose their balls they can't come any more. And that's false. If you look at the physiology you see that the fluids are made by the seminal vesicles and the prostate. Very little of the fluid and the content is produced in the testes. I still unload.

But the active ingredient for impregnating someone isn't there.

Right.

Do you get a lot of people who think you're trying to become a woman?

Absolutely. And it's mostly the medical profession who sees the sexes as either male or female. And anyone who wants to alter any part of that is in some way suffering from gender dysphoria. They don't like themselves for some reason and they want to change gender. And that's absolutely false.

It's not a dysphoria. I see it in the positive way of working toward something, rather than away from something. Many of the guys instead of putting a negative feel on it see it as a positive. Being castrated is a positive to them. Rather than removing something that they dislike, they are moving in the direction that they want. I went through a long set of psychological evaluation sessions with a psychologist here in town, because that was necessary in order to have the penis removed.

You've previously discussed your 1994 castration. However, I didn't find anything on your penis removal in 2011. Can you talk about that?

I knew I was uncomfortable in having frankly large male parts. I would quite often sit on my own balls because they were loose unless I wore something tight and held them in I would sit on them and squash them. That got me into trouble playing soccer in college when they forced us to wear these hard plastic cups. What happened was I fell on a guy's upright knee with the weight of another player behind me, so two of us fell on the knee. The knee happened to hit the middle of the plastic cup and imploded and tore me up. I was severely injured.

The doctor saved everything but over a period of time the nerves gave me some problems and I had aches in my testicles all the time. When I was in the military service they tried doing a varicose vein removal but that didn't help, it just made matters worse. They thought I was suffering from varicose veins. So after leaving the service I had them removed. And that removed that little problem but I still had the nerve sensations in the penis which woke me up at night. So I could get erect, but it was painful.

So I talked with my urologist and he said the only treatment for that was to make it numb, which is very dangerous because if you make something like that numb then you don't know if it's infected for some reason. Or remove it, but to do that he needs to cover his ass and asked for a psychological evaluation. And my own doctor is a professor at Nova Southeastern University here in. She is the most brilliant doctor I've ever met. So, I asked her about this problem and she was very forthright and said "well, we'll have to treat you". She didn't consider it something that was wrong with me, she said "we have to investigate." I went to see a psychiatrist and he spent a good 90 minutes with me and said "yes, I have just the person that can work with you." So the psychologist did a battery of personality tests and said "you're perfectly fine, your only problem is that you've got these physical problems which work on your nerves." And I said "yeah." And he said "it also works with your personality" because I'm a gay submissive and I always have been and it wasn't working right. So in order to to fix it I worked toward a goal of having things removed. And that was it. I'm working in a positive way to solve my own personal problem.

But was castration something you were contemplating prior to the injury?

Yes. For whatever reason I was always embarrassed by the size of what I had. It didn't fit my personality.

Do you remember when you the fantasy to remove your testicles first occurred?

I had a baby face in high school, there was one of these bullies and he said "you have a man's equipment but you're still a boy" and he squeezed my balls in the shower. He was on the football team, I was on the soccer team showering together and he said "you shouldn't have such big equipment" so he squeezed my balls and at that point it was just a fantasy for me. So how about getting rid of them for some reason?

When did it go from fantasy to aspiration?

It became a fetish thing where I would do sort of more self destructive things with them like putting rubber bands around them and needles through the balls and whatnot. It's a progression which a lot of guys go through. It's something that works on them and they say "Well, how about if we just have them off? Then I won't be bothered by this constant urge to hurt them". And this is where a psychologist gets into the dysphoria. It's very difficult to distinguish whether it's a dislike for something or instead you're working towards something else. I always thought when I was on the beach—I was also on the swim team—and we had Speedos, it was difficult to pack everything in frankly. I would be embarrassed and everybody was looking and here I am and I've got the biggest package and I'm not the biggest guy and I got a whole lot of looks from everybody.

I had a big dick, it got damaged and I was a bottom. I didn't want to use it, I got pushed into using it, I had to take all sorts of medications and was tired of being somebody else's tool.

Broadly speaking, how can someone know that being a nullo is something they actually want to go through with as opposed to something they fantasize about?

That's something really for a psychologist to answer, but in talking to all the guys that I've been talking with, they try to come up with all sorts of different rationalizations to justify it. In my case, my medical situation really didn't justify it because I was just uncomfortable with what I had. It wasn't medically necessary. But I felt that I would be much more comfortable having the issues of having the sensation but not being able to use it well. It was something like a guy having a useless appendage and it's something he has to carry around, and it becomes baggage after a while.

If someone starts/botches the process on their own, what would you recommend they do? Should people use a cover story to avoid getting in trouble?

No. Go to the emergency room. Today, they have been exposed to a lot more of the literature out there than they were 20 years ago. They're not going to be institutionalized. I mean years ago they used to institutionalize guys that were gay.

How would you say the breakdown is between gay and straight men for nullos?

I would have to say it's mostly gays. I don't know of a straight guy who became a nullo.

You had said in a previous interview that for castrations it's about a two to one for gay to straight men that decide to do it.

I've heard of a couple of straight guys who decided that they were making too many babies so they had their balls off so they could take testosterone and continue. I know quite a few bodybuilders both gay and straight whose testes have shrunk because of the steroids they are taking which are bad for their health. So they got castrated and now they're on medically injected testosterone which is good for them. It's not as harmful as oral steroids are or some of the other shit that they're pumping into themselves.

How would you recommend people do their penectomy and castration?

In the last couple of years, my friend Mack from San Francisco ran into Dr. Crane from Brownstein & Crane and he met him, and I don't know how the two of them had the discussion, and then I had a phone interview with Dr. Crane and I explained my situation with him and now Dr. Crane is no longer doing just transgender type of procedures but [also] genital modifications.

So in a way, you educated him.

The protocol that the doctors use for transgender people is called the Harry Benjamin protocol. So for example Dr. Reed in Miami, before you go to his clinic you have to take female hormones for six months and show some development of breasts and whatnot, some feminine characteristics before he will deal with you. And why do that when you simply want to get the genitals removed?

If anything, wouldn't additional testosterone be what you'd need after castration?

Men who get castrated, they do get depressed if they don't start fairly right away on testosterone. Because the falling hormone causes hot flashes first of all, and then the loss of libido. You lose all interest in sex and everything else.

Are there any changes that occur to the body as a result?

Body changes are minimal really. If you lose your balls, you won't lose all your hair.

What about voice? Is that a myth?

Voice doesn't change, no. The larynx is a hard tissue, and the voice box and everything else is a hard tissue. But the timbre of your voice is a factor of the larynx. I sang in the college choir, I know about these things.

One thing I noticed while reading testimonials is that many people seem to try their hand at castration and penectomy but then go to the doctor only if it goes wrong. How much of this would you say is due to the medical profession's reluctance to remove healthy body parts and how much is due to people's general fear of discussing this type of thing with their doctor or therapist?

You know about the Hippocratic oath right? "First do no harm". They have to be convinced that what they are doing is in fact an improvement on your health. Which is why the surgeon is requesting a psychological evaluation. And the psychologist comes back and says "yeah, he's going to be uncomfortable where he is, he's going to be more improved, better mood, better this, better that" and so forth. So from a totality point of view, it's going to get better after he gets modified.

And let me tell you my mood has improved dramatically since going nullo. I don't miss the baggage. I don't miss the fact that I get into sex with a guy, he expects me to perform in some ways, now he doesn't have that expectation. In fact, quite a few guys find it very arousing that they don't have to have that distraction.

Are there other benefits?

Another thing is, guys who are aroused by my situation are very aroused. I've got some guys who are pursuing me a lot. And they just like this idea, because there's nothing there to be in the way. Face to face fucking is very pleasurable. And when they're doing that I actually wet their stomachs with my fluids. And this one guy, he likes to go down on me. He's a bi guy and he said he does this with his girlfriend so he goes down there and starts licking me. And he just loves that idea. He loves the idea that I have a hairy chest and what is to him a very tiny vagina that he can't fuck but he can lick and he can enjoy being the male role. I've even got a straight guy here in town who likes to fuck me because I don't have any male genitals and he doesn't feel threatened by that.

Are there any downsides?

One of the most obvious cons is I have to sit to pee, or I have to use one of these female urination devices. It's an odd funnel shaped device that you can use if there's only a men's urinal. Also, some times I get urinary tract infections. There's a shorter path to the bladder through what I've got now. So I've got to be very careful and keep it clean. I can't get guy fingering me down there because it's the inside of the urethra so it's sensitive.

Do you ever get "phantom dick" syndrome when you are reaching for it out of habit?

A lot of the nerves are bundled on the base of the penis where most of the sensation comes from. It's not along the length of penis but on the base of the penis is where most of the sensations are. And I wake up in the morning with a feeling that I have a big dick that's erect.

In your experience, what percentage of castrations are done by non-medical professionals? How about penectomies? What are the safety risks for each? Would you say one is more difficult than the other for a layman?

I would above three quarters [by non-medical professionals]. And that number is lower than say twenty years ago. There are not as many today.

Which are not as many?

The amateur cutters. There are a lot of wannabes that are successful that manage to stay below the radar of the authorities because they run into trouble because of their lack of skill. Because if you mess up there are problems there. But if you're very careful in choosing the men you work with so that you have very low risk involved, which is age (you don't do old men), you don't do very overweight men, you don't do men who smoke, who don't take drugs and anything else. If you take these fairly low-risk guys and you do it well, then there won't be any problems. Once these guys get castrated, most of them simply become very private and they don't brag about things. They sort of withdraw from pursuing anything else because they've reached their goal.

So is the the percentage of amateur cutters lower today due to more people with medical training performing castrations?

Yes. They are finding that there is a living in this if they do it among other things.

How about with penectomies? I would imagine (and hope!) there's fewer amateurs performing these.

Almost all of them are done by medical professionals. That's tricky, yeah. More tricky. It's sort of major surgery and it's been done by some amateurs. They're fairly good with their surgical techniques. I was actually at one and the guy did a fairly good job but it took a long time and it was a very involved, very slow process. I've heard of only three or four done by cutters in the past and they have left active participation in this.

When you do a penectomy you have to re-route the urethra, yes?

Yes, what I did with this is I knew where I was going with this in 1999 and I contacted my urologist in Hollywood [Florida], an old guy who was just about to retire and I talked to him very carefully and said "in the future I'm going to want the penis removed". And he said "OK, we can do a urethral relocation in the base of the penis".

So how do things like ejaculation and urination work when you've rerouted the urethra and no longer use the penis for them?

With ejaculation, just before you reach the peak, all the fluid is there at the base of the penis, and right before orgasm happens it's the urethra that acts like a rail gun and expels the semen. So when you don't use the penis, there's no force behind it. It just flows out.

What happens to the body parts after removal?

Quite a few [cutters] collect them. They preserve them, they put them in jars. One guy embedded his in plastic and now it's an ornament somewhere. This typically happens when you're in a master/slave dominant/submissive relationship and the submissive gives up his balls to his partner for keepsake. And then you get into this S&M thing where the dominant partner controls and regulates the libido of the submissive. Especially if the submissive is on say androgel where the turnaround time from full sexiness to limp dick is about on the order of a week. The reaction time for the transdermal is very fast. Whereas the injections wear off after two to three weeks. The half life of the testosterone I'm taking is eight days.

You mentioned consumption of body parts in another interview. Is that for real?

It is for real, yes. Some guys do that. Think about the Testy Festy, where they go there and every year there they have concentration of people who are into eating sheep and bull nuts and rocky mountain oysters. I know a few cutters that don't charge anything for their work, the only charge they have is that they get the nuts afterwards.

Is this something that you've tasted?

Yes, as a matter of fact they do taste a little like chicken. Actually I would have to say they taste as much like chicken as they do roast pork. But it all depends on how you cook them. If you cook them in salted butter then they might be saltier than they might otherwise be.

How do you like them cooked?

I went to a cutter's place and he was having an event where he cut a number of guys and I was assisting him there. And what I did is I cooked them up in some butter with some mushrooms. Quite good with a nice red merlot wine.

Cheers to that, Gelding.

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Date: December 13th, 2024 1:22 PM
Author: adventurous cordovan national



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