White Lotus Season 1 review
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 6:14 PM Author: Goldman: Arkham Counsel Subject: Spoilers
A Triumph.
I unironically loved it. Thought it was great. Somehow challenged lib social taboos from the lib perspective which is rare. I grew up around people like that so it was very relatable. Nearly all the characters had redeeming and endearing qualities, except Shane, who sucked.
I think Dadarios arc was abrupt. Her getting over being a trophy wife was sudden. Felt like there was more there to explore but I get that when they made it they thought it was just a one-off.
The younger brother going native was 180. The dad winning back his family's respect from fighting the robber was funny and satisfying.
I think the best overall scene was Jennifer Coolidge telling the dying guy that she's crazy and him being like yeah but I still want to smash. That has happened to me in real life countless times where a girl let's her crazy side out right before sex and you just play it cool. Coolidge deservedly won an Emmy but surprisingly not for that episode.
Overall the writing was top tier and surprisingly au courant for our times. I did wish the brown girl got arrested for theft.
My main criticism is there weren't enough boobs. I had to sit through a closeup shot of a fake penis and balls, a man defecating, and an gay ass eating scene and all I got was a bad angle shot of Dadarios nips. 0/10.
Discuss season 1 here but no season 2 or 3 spoilers. Will review as I go. Really hope there's more boobs going forward (but don't tell me).
Sweeney was good acting as herself, a spoiled blonde brat imo.
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 6:23 PM Author: UN peacekeeper
Excellent analysis ITT including identification of jake lacy's redeeming quality
Date: August 17th, 2021 5:27 PM
Author: Unhinged stag film friendly grandma
MOlly shannon and d'addario's husband are both honest people, but totally lack self-awareness w/r/t Alexandra's perception of them. Shannon also serves as a "ghost of christmas future" for D'addario if she stays with her husband.
Their blunt honesty creates a destructive aura around them that forces people to confront reality. They destroy the facades people cling to. D'addario has to confront her priority of comfort over deriving meaning from her work as a journalist. The manager has to confront how much he hates the guests.
Remember when Shane is "flirting" with those two girls at the pool? He immediately calls them out for not actually reading their books. Every 3 days they're onto a new dense book. THat is what his character is. He is the force of truth, and like a tsunami, he does not care who or what he crashes down on
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 7:08 PM Author: Goldman: Arkham Counsel
Shane didn't suspect it because like she said she was swept off her feet and then caught up in the wedding and shit. It didn't hit her until it all sank in. That part was logical and felt right. Right about the time you get second thoughts. And his mom is so entitled. The only truthful thing she said is just how much money changes you because it's obviously true, there's no going back from RSF tier inheritance. CSLG's kids are going to grow up to be all fucked up and weird, too. Ghengis Kahn's grandkids were rich and out of touch.
But I think she did genuinely want to be someone self made and successful. She is consistent throughout the season about this. Always interested in her job. She took the diss from Connie Britton too hard. I never felt like her arc was building up to her accepting her fate as a trophy wife. It seemed like she kept pushing against it, and her going back in the end felt sudden and like an unrealistic capitulation.
It's the same way I felt at the end of Waugh's Brideshead Revisited. Charles is an theist for 400 pages and on the last page it just goes, oh well he found God. Eh. I'm allowed to indulge in my own personal critiques.
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 7:09 PM
Author: ........,,,,,,......,.,.,.,,,,,,,,,,
I think the interesting thing about Shane is that he was so unlikable due to the tropes he's associated with, but he's actually 100% correct.
He paid the honeymoon suite on his honeymoon, he was supposed to have his own private pool, etc. It's not as if the resort says "whoops we're sorry" and he throws a big tantrum. They're trying to pull a fast one on him and when he calls them on it, they lie to him. It's not just bad customer service its borderline fraud.
Same thing with his wife's "work." why is she taking dumb listicle freelance work on their honeymoon?
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 7:17 PM Author: Goldman: Arkham Counsel
Being flexible an able to adapt is a true sign of character. You can always get a refund from the hotel later. There are things more important than materialism, like spending time with your spouse on your honeymoon. He never once picked up that she was upset. Also it was clear he barely thinks about her at all, is likely to cheat in the future. Your poast smells like duck sauce. "Wouldn't it be great to have a turbohot wife I can throw in the corner and act like she doesn't exist except when I get a hard on?" Yeah, this seems really great, especially from the woman's perspective.
I personally would have no issue with this chick taking the job on our honeymoon if she had always been passionate about it and was really trying to succeed. As long as it didn't overshadow the event and she was present when she needed to be present. If she put the job #1 and made him feel alienated that would be uncool, but if she was dabbling while lounging by the pool with the intent to take it more seriously once she got back home, no issue.
His attitude was "you're never going to do anything anymore except sit around and look pretty" I think most women find unappealing even hot ones. If they have any personality at all they're not going to want that even for beaucoup bux.
Some people just like working and no matter how rich I get I will always want to be with a chick who values productivity. Even if I had a trillion dollars I would want my bitch working. Just how I'm wired. I respect gumption. I'm not like that guy and never will.
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 9:51 PM
Author: .....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,;
This was the preposterously autistic part of what you wrote: “ I personally would have no issue with this chick taking the job on our honeymoon if she had always been passionate about it and was really trying to succeed.”
A honeymoon is a social custom where society gives newlyweds a week off of work to go somewhere and fuck 3-5x a day and reassure each other that they made the right choice getting married. HTH, Rain Man.
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 7:24 PM Author: novus homo (gunneratttt)
dude, ive said the same thing in discussing the show with friends, and as of yet no strong agreement.
shane is a portrayed as sort of a douchey rich bro to make him unlikable. but everything he does is reasonable. armand did double book his room and tried to make him seem crazy and entitled for wanting to get it. he reasonably expected a romantic honeymoon and was confused and annoyed when his wife suddenly wanted to do dumb shit she had abandoned because she suddenly got insecure because she ran into a successful woman she admired who shit on her.
it's really great because they make the guy so unsympathetic but everything he has a problem with is reasonable. except for the mommy shit.
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Date: April 3rd, 2025 12:15 AM
Author: ........,,,,,,......,.,.,.,,,,,,,,,,
Yes - again, i rewatched some of season 1 and they make it clear its not a like-for-like room. His mom presumably paid for a $4,000 a night room and they got put in a $2,000 a night room. He specifically mentions his room is supposed to have a private pool.
Instead of Armond saying "my bad - let me refund you the difference and I'm going to esnd a glass of champagne to your room to say sorry" he treats Shane like a child.
Similarly the writing of the show makes it clear the working on honeymoon situation isn't really close. The Connie Britton character NEEDS to work on the trip. Daddario is a freelancer and the gig isn't even that amazing.
Shane's famly probably dropped $30k on this honeymoon for them to be together and instead she's going to write a freelance blog post for $300 that no one will ever read.
The way White writes it all is very intentional - he's purposefully making Shane correct just to mess with the audience.
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Date: April 3rd, 2025 1:00 AM Author: Goldman: Arkham Counsel
It's also extremely clear from the script that Rachel is really put off by Shane's behavior, just wants him to drop it, and have a good time and he completely ignores her. He is obsessed with his revenge plot to the point he does more damage to the honeymoon than the booking mishap caused. It's what leads her to be repulsed by him and his family more than the journalism assignment.
I really think it would come down to how invested she was in the work assignment vs being present on the honeymoon. But Shane ignores her a lot of the time, flirts with other women, and basically doesn't listen at all when she talks. I don't know why he would care if she knocked out an article while he was splashing Sydney Sweeney with water daring her to jump in a pool. It's not like she denied him anything. He barely has enough brain cells to listen to a word she says the entire trip. She could probably do the work without him knowing for all he cared.
I can't stand people who think vacations are really serious and in fact I will admit that it has caused stress in relationships in the past. I don't get along with women who feel like leisure time must be maximized. To me the whole point of a vacation is doing, or not doing, anything you want.
But people who feel like they have to get the maximum return on a vacation nauseate me. I have gone on ski trips for a week and only skiied half the time. It's my trip, I'll ski — or not — if I want to. But I've had partners who make vacations feel like a job and that's not fun at all. If I wasted all my time in the sun doing nothing — or doing something — it's up to me. I appreciate a partner who can jive with that. I like to go unscripted.
Point to my ex tbtp, she was very easy going in this regard. We went on several vacations/staycations that were very fun. We had as many days thingdoing as we did staying in. It was nice. We were on the same vibe. But a previous ex who was a life maximizer drove me nuts. Vacation days were harder than work days. They shouldn't be. Always go with the flow, after all, it's your time to waste.
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Date: April 3rd, 2025 7:14 AM Author: novus homo (gunneratttt)
you're projecting yourself and opinions onto the characters. your opinion about vacations it not something the writers could have written into the characters.
shane is upset that he's being lied to and ripped off. yes, it's over a luxury hotel room, but no one likes being ripped off and lied to. and the things you complain about would seem entitled to people in africa. the entire point is for the audience to dislike shane because "it's over a luxury hotel room", but anyone in shane's position would be annoyed.
your annoyance with his behavior is exactly how dondarrio reacts. instead of empathizing with how any man would be annoyed being lied to, gaslit, and ripped off, she sees it as being a spoiled brat, causing her to torpedo her honeymoon because she suddenly wants to pretend her freelance journo shit is super duper important when it isn't. while *you* may think taking vacations seriously is stupid, it wasn't to shane, or dondarrio up until she met connie, so it's reasonable for shane to be pissed about it.
stop thinking about what HATP thinks and try to empathize and think about how the characters would feel.
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 6:36 PM Author: Goldman: Arkham Counsel
Connie Britton as the mom was also 180. Loved her character. I grew up around so many rich white women just like her lol. Literally so many.
I remember one time my friends rich as fuck parents got divorced and wandering through the empty cavern of their joint property mansion, gutted and ready for pictures to be listed and just seeing a framed picture of the happy Boomer couple in Hawaii in the 80s and the mom had the big hair. Cheesy Hawaiian shirts. The mom left because the dad didn't value and validate her. Lmfao. She left him for an hvac guy who went to a pentacostal church and spoke in tongues. Lol, just, lol.
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 9:44 PM
Author: .....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,;
She is a CMO and leads a call with a giant audience in her globohomocorp’s Chinese office. She’s 100% perfect casting for what female megacorp execs are like. Attractive for her age but well past her prime, soft in style, voice, mannerisms yet able to signal her displeasure in an instant with just a look or an awkward silence. Connie Britton is always great but she was awesome and underrated in S1.
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 8:08 PM Author: novus homo (gunneratttt)
i think the point is the struggle for a man to remain masculine in a post-femenism world where the provider, and typically leader, role is usurped by the woman. he was a fine guy and could have done well on his own, but connie was superior. so what are we to do? if connie was to divorce him she wouldn't have found some man she could admire to fulfill the role of man. but steve could find someone lesser than him to fill a support role. dudes better than connie like trump, musk, bezos, etc wind up with traditionally feminine women, not with career shrews they can respect like men.
that's the whole thing with her arc imo. she starts out dismissive of steve and treating him like a wife, which is emasculating. but he goes on to prove his value by defending her. i don't think the show provides any solutions to this "career shrew/house husband" dynamic, and perhaps there isn't one because it is unnatural, but it presents it in a very honest way.
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 9:59 PM Author: Goldman: Arkham Counsel
I just figured out what's the secret sauce to the show. I figured out what makes it special.
It's the fact that the writer writes lines for characters that people actually say in real life. Not just rich people but all kinds of people. They're unfiltered. And there's no guardrails typical of the woke era of film. These people feel real because they are real. They're saying what comes to mind — everyone's mind, in these situations.
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Date: April 3rd, 2025 3:34 AM Author: the place where there is no darkness
"The themes in White Lotus are all a scathing indictment of modernity, as well as an analysis of human nature that stands in stark opposition to the liberal orthodoxy. Virtually every theme in the show is in line with a traditional Christian or classical philosophical view of man’s nature. Infidelity, hedonism, pride, the emptiness of the cycle of material desire in general, sexual roles, the indulgences of women, the lust of men, the nature of guilt, repentance, and redemption. There is a lot there, and none of it is stuff that most of the audience would agree with if presented with it in a straightforward manner.
Part of why the show can get away with this is that they frame it in such an artistic way; nothing is spelled out in the way that would trigger some screeching woman on Twitter. Someone could watch the show, and most people do, and simply see it as yet another visual spectacle like every other one of these streaming shows. Further, it is vulgar, featuring an excessive amount of nudity, which implies that it is embracing rather than criticizing modern norms. The other reason is probably that the writer/director of the series, Mike White, is a homosexual. Regardless of the reasons, however, the show is able to address themes that I don’t recall any popular media having addressed in decades.
The clip in question, where the Sam Rockwell character describes in a frank tone that he spent 1,000 nights having sex with Thai hookers before realizing that what he really wanted was to become a small Asian girl and be fucked by himself, is an absolute description, if not an outright indictment, of the overwhelming majority of the tranny movement.
The trans movement has been framed as an identity phenomenon. Sometimes we hear the term “gender dysphoria,” which means that the man feels as though he is trapped in the wrong body, that his soul is actually that of a woman. Though this does exist, and is a legitimate mental disorder, what is not discussed is that if we remove the children who are being manipulated into becoming trannies by the school system, the overwhelming majority of adult men who become trannies have something called “autogynephilia,” which is not an “identity” but a paraphilia (often called a “kink” in modern parlance), a disorder purely related to aberrant sexuality. It has nothing to do with identity or some incomprehensible thing about the soul being trapped in the wrong body.
Most people have not even heard about this phenomenon, so for me, the Sam Rockwell bit in White Lotus was quite incredible in its content, as well as being hilarious. The way Rockwell says it all so calmly, as if he is describing the most mundane topic, as Walton Goggins sits there listening, is so funny to me. And then that his solution is to become a Buddhist takes it into the realm of the greatest satire vignette I’m aware of."
https://dailystormer.in/oh-little-baby-didnt-know-perverts-exist-i-violated-babys-moral-purity-with-a-funny-youtube-clip/
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Date: April 3rd, 2025 4:04 AM Author: Goldman: Arkham Counsel
I would also say that the reason the show is so successful is because sometimes in art it's okay to be bad. I mean, in Snow White what is the struggle, the challenge? You know, these sanitized, virtue signaling characters they churn out year after year never have any flaws, always do and say the right thing. And that makes it boring. That makes it not fresh at all. And then White Lotus comes along and has characters that love hookers and blow and it's like, wow, this is refreshing. These people suck. These people create their own problems. They're not just there to scold you on what not to do and be perfect all the time. That's really the twist that makes it so good. That everyone is fucked up and has demons. Finally they made something people can relate to, because in real life everyone is flawed, too. But most of Hollywood is so obsessed with appearances that they can't even write interesting characters anymore. It's been so long since it was okay to be bad.
I think there was a famous quote Matt Taibbi likes to repeat from Isaac Babel about the Soviet Union. "You have every right here except the right to be wrong." Mike White somehow found a hall pass. And he handled it with exceptional grace and talent.
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Date: April 3rd, 2025 4:40 AM Author: Goldman: Arkham Counsel
https://youtube.com/shorts/8ddWrvFUGbY
This is pretty funny. Mike White being a White Lotus character in real life on an EP of Survivor. Just a fag drinking champagne in paradise with a bunch of Hot Chicks. Man he lived it before he wrote it. Crazy. This is the real him lol
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