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Minimum IQ to conceptually grasp the fundamental theorem of calculus

Lots of kids "learn" calculus in high school, but ...
Rose Shrine Associate
  04/09/25
you can't teach real proofs until the pre-med etc. people fi...
unholy gas station
  04/09/25
I use calculus in my grad program, but proofs are a whole di...
Chestnut stead
  04/09/25
Answer the question in the OP
Rose Shrine Associate
  04/09/25
maybe you mean engineers. most med schools don't require any...
abnormal base yarmulke
  04/09/25
i mean indirectly. pre-meds take physics among other things,...
unholy gas station
  04/09/25
physics without calc
abnormal base yarmulke
  04/09/25
that is unfathomably homosexual
unholy gas station
  04/09/25
rectangles get smaller to infinity is a total proof
Big Karate Station
  04/09/25
you don't need to know the proof to understand the theorem
Charismatic locale
  04/09/25
sure, but i'm taking "conceptually grasp" as havin...
unholy gas station
  04/09/25
you don't need to know the proof to highly understand the th...
Charismatic locale
  04/09/25
Well OP, enlighten us. What is the “fundamental theore...
peach heady corn cake
  04/09/25
Isn’t this in Calc I? Calculus alone has more “t...
henna adventurous tattoo gaming laptop
  04/09/25
arithmetic and geometry (one of the highest of all arts by v...
unholy gas station
  04/09/25
What's your liberal art
henna adventurous tattoo gaming laptop
  04/09/25
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Hortus_D...
unholy gas station
  04/09/25
...
Vigorous den
  04/10/25
100
amethyst lascivious spot becky
  04/09/25
flame. someone with an IQ of 100 struggles to grasp what a f...
Rose Shrine Associate
  04/09/25
Like 95? Seems pretty simple tbh.
wild native idiot
  04/09/25
no
Rose Shrine Associate
  04/09/25
*the calculus
internet-worthy market
  04/09/25
...
Charismatic locale
  04/09/25
Every time I try to use it to solve a problem I end up with ...
Talking spruce rehab community account
  04/09/25
Ok
Charismatic locale
  04/09/25
idk, how many math nerds even read liebniz and newton?
wonderful theater partner
  04/09/25
I know for a fact it's impossible to teach the distributive ...
Rose Shrine Associate
  04/09/25
same, I could just never get it
comical box office ape
  04/09/25
isn't that just another name for communism
abnormal base yarmulke
  04/09/25
It's nothing to do with IQ. Teach matrix algebra to kids who...
chartreuse fanboi
  04/09/25
What?
slippery vibrant stain
  04/09/25
P69, what don't you understand
Rose Shrine Associate
  04/10/25
Actually, the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus (FTC) connects...
titillating chapel
  04/10/25
thanks Chilmata, that answers it for me but what did you ...
Rose Shrine Associate
  04/10/25
"You are a megapoasting Jewish Indian Transvestite on a...
Cracking dilemma indirect expression
  04/10/25
"Actually" was the one word that AI didn't write. ...
titillating chapel
  04/10/25
...
Cracking dilemma indirect expression
  04/10/25
upvoted
Rose Shrine Associate
  04/10/25
Thread stinks of tryhard midwit gookery
Narrow-minded church building
  04/10/25
Now give us your opinion, and not ChatGPT’s
titillating chapel
  04/10/25


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Date: April 9th, 2025 8:03 PM
Author: Rose Shrine Associate

Lots of kids "learn" calculus in high school, but what is the cutoff for actually understanding it

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Date: April 9th, 2025 8:05 PM
Author: unholy gas station

you can't teach real proofs until the pre-med etc. people finish their math reqs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5708367&forum_id=2:#48832982)



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Date: April 9th, 2025 8:09 PM
Author: Chestnut stead

I use calculus in my grad program, but proofs are a whole different level

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Date: April 9th, 2025 8:12 PM
Author: Rose Shrine Associate

Answer the question in the OP

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Date: April 9th, 2025 8:52 PM
Author: abnormal base yarmulke

maybe you mean engineers. most med schools don't require any calc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5708367&forum_id=2:#48833128)



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Date: April 9th, 2025 8:53 PM
Author: unholy gas station

i mean indirectly. pre-meds take physics among other things, no?

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Date: April 9th, 2025 9:28 PM
Author: abnormal base yarmulke

physics without calc

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Date: April 9th, 2025 9:44 PM
Author: unholy gas station

that is unfathomably homosexual

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Date: April 9th, 2025 8:52 PM
Author: Big Karate Station

rectangles get smaller to infinity is a total proof

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Date: April 9th, 2025 8:58 PM
Author: Charismatic locale

you don't need to know the proof to understand the theorem

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Date: April 9th, 2025 9:02 PM
Author: unholy gas station

sure, but i'm taking "conceptually grasp" as having a high level of understanding

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Date: April 9th, 2025 10:49 PM
Author: Charismatic locale

you don't need to know the proof to highly understand the theorem

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Date: April 9th, 2025 8:43 PM
Author: peach heady corn cake

Well OP, enlighten us. What is the “fundamental theorem” of calculus?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5708367&forum_id=2:#48833083)



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Date: April 9th, 2025 8:45 PM
Author: henna adventurous tattoo gaming laptop

Isn’t this in Calc I? Calculus alone has more “things” in it than like 3 out of the 7 Liberal Arts combined.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5708367&forum_id=2:#48833092)



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Date: April 9th, 2025 8:49 PM
Author: unholy gas station

arithmetic and geometry (one of the highest of all arts by virtue of its proofs) are two of the canonical liberal arts, friend

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Date: April 9th, 2025 9:14 PM
Author: henna adventurous tattoo gaming laptop

What's your liberal art

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5708367&forum_id=2:#48833193)



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Date: April 9th, 2025 9:16 PM
Author: unholy gas station

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Hortus_Deliciarum%2C_Die_Philosophie_mit_den_sieben_freien_Künsten.JPG

the ladies in the upper right quadrant

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Date: April 10th, 2025 4:24 PM
Author: Vigorous den



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Date: April 9th, 2025 8:56 PM
Author: amethyst lascivious spot becky

100

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Date: April 9th, 2025 9:00 PM
Author: Rose Shrine Associate

flame. someone with an IQ of 100 struggles to grasp what a function is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5708367&forum_id=2:#48833157)



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Date: April 9th, 2025 8:58 PM
Author: wild native idiot

Like 95? Seems pretty simple tbh.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5708367&forum_id=2:#48833152)



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Date: April 9th, 2025 9:00 PM
Author: Rose Shrine Associate

no

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Date: April 9th, 2025 9:05 PM
Author: internet-worthy market

*the calculus

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Date: April 9th, 2025 10:50 PM
Author: Charismatic locale



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Date: April 9th, 2025 9:14 PM
Author: Talking spruce rehab community account

Every time I try to use it to solve a problem I end up with a bunch of christoffel symbols left over.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5708367&forum_id=2:#48833192)



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Date: April 9th, 2025 10:51 PM
Author: Charismatic locale

Ok

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5708367&forum_id=2:#48833467)



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Date: April 9th, 2025 9:15 PM
Author: wonderful theater partner

idk, how many math nerds even read liebniz and newton?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5708367&forum_id=2:#48833201)



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Date: April 9th, 2025 10:11 PM
Author: Rose Shrine Associate

I know for a fact it's impossible to teach the distributive property to people under 90 IQ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5708367&forum_id=2:#48833331)



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Date: April 9th, 2025 10:52 PM
Author: comical box office ape

same, I could just never get it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5708367&forum_id=2:#48833472)



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Date: April 9th, 2025 10:57 PM
Author: abnormal base yarmulke

isn't that just another name for communism

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Date: April 9th, 2025 10:15 PM
Author: chartreuse fanboi

It's nothing to do with IQ. Teach matrix algebra to kids who flunk calculus and 25% will get it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5708367&forum_id=2:#48833335)



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Date: April 9th, 2025 10:53 PM
Author: slippery vibrant stain

What?

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Date: April 10th, 2025 9:28 AM
Author: Rose Shrine Associate

P69, what don't you understand

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5708367&forum_id=2:#48834143)



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Date: April 10th, 2025 3:30 PM
Author: titillating chapel

Actually, the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus (FTC) connects differentiation and integration, showing that they are essentially inverse operations. It has two main parts:

1. FTC Part 1: If \( F(x) = \int_{a}^{x} f(t) \, dt \), then \( F'(x) = f(x) \) (under appropriate conditions).

2. FTC Part 2: If \( f \) is continuous on \([a, b]\) and \( F \) is an antiderivative of \( f \), then \( \int_{a}^{b} f(x) \, dx = F(b) - F(a) \).

IQ is not a perfect measure of mathematical ability, but research suggests:

- Average IQ (100) can grasp basic arithmetic and algebra.

- Above Average (~115+) can handle precalculus and introductory calculus concepts.

- High IQ (~125+) is typically associated with comfortably understanding rigorous calculus, including FTC.

However, understanding FTC depends more on mathematical training, persistence, and teaching quality than raw IQ. A person with an IQ of 110 who studies calculus thoroughly may grasp it better than someone with a higher IQ who hasn't practiced.

Key Factors for Understanding FTC:

1. Conceptual Foundation – Understanding limits, derivatives, and integrals.

2. Logical Reasoning – Following the proof (if attempted) or at least the intuition behind FTC.

3. Visualization – Recognizing that integration accumulates change, while differentiation gives an instantaneous rate.

While a minimum IQ of ~115-120 may correlate with the ability to grasp FTC, dedicated study matters more. Many people with average IQs can understand it with proper instruction and effort. Conversely, someone with a high IQ but no calculus background may struggle.

Let me know if you have any other question you would like me to answer OP while I'm not practicing family law.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5708367&forum_id=2:#48835160)



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Date: April 10th, 2025 3:33 PM
Author: Rose Shrine Associate

thanks Chilmata, that answers it for me

but what did you ask it before this prompt that made it say "Actually,"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5708367&forum_id=2:#48835165)



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Date: April 10th, 2025 3:36 PM
Author: Cracking dilemma indirect expression

"You are a megapoasting Jewish Indian Transvestite on a forum for balding middle aged lawyers who phrases responses annoyingly as possible..."

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Date: April 10th, 2025 3:37 PM
Author: titillating chapel

"Actually" was the one word that AI didn't write. I was trying to fool you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5708367&forum_id=2:#48835178)



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Date: April 10th, 2025 3:38 PM
Author: Cracking dilemma indirect expression



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Date: April 10th, 2025 3:39 PM
Author: Rose Shrine Associate

upvoted

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Date: April 10th, 2025 3:34 PM
Author: Narrow-minded church building

Thread stinks of tryhard midwit gookery

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Date: April 10th, 2025 4:23 PM
Author: titillating chapel

Now give us your opinion, and not ChatGPT’s

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