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NYT: We Were Badly Misled About COVID

“We”
DrakeMallardxo
  03/16/25
No one cares fatty
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  03/16/25
I would take joy seeing these people strung up on lampposts
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  03/16/25
As far as I can remember the timeline went like this: -Medi...
neurotic comptroller
  03/16/25
Lab leak theory is just one of the several dozens of conserv...
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  03/16/25
"Cons declare victory despite still not having conclusi...
neurotic comptroller
  03/16/25
I'm glad it took libs 5 years to finally declare the evidenc...
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DrakeMallardxo
  03/17/25
You forgot the part where shitlibs reflexively took a "...
~~(> ' ' )>
  03/16/25
Plenty of "shitlibs" were open to the idea that it...
neurotic comptroller
  03/16/25
No reason? 🤣 >> Plenty of "shitlibs" w...
~~(> ' ' )>
  03/16/25
Explain how you knew it HAD to be a lab leak in 2020, not al...
neurotic comptroller
  03/16/25
"HAD to be"? Straw man bullshit.
~~(> ' ' )>
  03/16/25
I never met a single lib that wasn't willing to hear out the...
neurotic comptroller
  03/16/25
So, in other words, they took a "scientific" posit...
~~(> ' ' )>
  03/16/25
They were persuaded scientific position based on the credibi...
neurotic comptroller
  03/16/25
i can't tell if you're next level flame or fantastically stu...
""''"''
  03/16/25
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~~(> ' ' )>
  03/16/25
That’s just literally not true and I doubt you can pro...
neurotic comptroller
  03/16/25
The only people shamed and cancelled in my world were those ...
Luigi's Mangina
  03/16/25
Holy fuck, you are retarded. Or, if flame, brilliant
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  03/16/25
To be fair, CR, no one was cancelled for that. Also, ...
To be fair
  03/16/25
"Y U HATE USH?" -Chinaman who let out a virus t...
No Paye No Gain
  03/16/25
Thanks for the example of why people don't take Cons serious...
neurotic comptroller
  03/16/25
it appears they do
No Paye No Gain
  03/16/25
Jon Stewart didn't acknowledge the lab leak until 2-3 years ...
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SkaddenArse
  03/16/25
no. june 15, 2021 https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/rel...
sealclubber
  03/16/25
but he was an anomaly. fellow shitlib Colbert was aghast whe...
Poaster Emeritus
  03/16/25
This is revisionist history bs. Stewart talked about the lab...
lsd
  03/16/25
Bert Weinstein and Rogan are conservatives and I think that ...
neurotic comptroller
  03/16/25
This is more revisionist history. Both were card carrying sh...
lsd
  03/16/25
Rogan told people to take non-prescribed "horse medicat...
neurotic comptroller
  03/16/25
"debate that term all you want" The flame or me...
~~(> ' ' )>
  03/16/25
I don't care. Call it whatever you want. He was trying to ge...
neurotic comptroller
  03/16/25
You could get a prescription for ivermectin but doctors were...
Luigi's Mangina
  03/16/25
Sure, and you know this because you’re a doctor?
neurotic comptroller
  03/16/25
The “horse medicine” you describe won the Nobel ...
lsd
  03/16/25
I’m sure it work very well…for those PRESCRIBED...
neurotic comptroller
  03/16/25
To be fair, Libs: "Uh, IDK... how about we just let ...
To be fair
  03/16/25
I have to apologize for doubting Weinstein. I 100% knew ...
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  03/16/25
You forgot the part where shitlib social media companies dep...
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  03/16/25
Mithinformathun!
~~(> ' ' )>
  03/16/25
Protip that I know you'll ignore: Everyone else except you h...
neurotic comptroller
  03/16/25
All the people forced to take the vaccines at threat of thei...
Luigi's Mangina
  03/16/25
that's not enough. fauci, milley, austin should die destitut...
sealclubber
  03/16/25
is this really a MASE troll account? because this deranged s...
Cumbutt
  03/16/25
How are you guys so weak man he's barely even trying
bpd pussy
  03/16/25
Seems like Spaceporn.
Bob Stinson
  03/16/25
Here's the only timeline that matters: March 2020 - COVI...
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  03/16/25
when was the first posting about the emails between fauci an...
sealclubber
  03/16/25
Another totally bizarre part of the timeline. Looks like it ...
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  03/16/25
There were quite a few of us who knew the virus was fraud an...
DrakeMallardxo
  03/16/25
Are you a troll? You conveniently left out people getting...
Mr. Whiskers
  03/16/25
"Public health professionals" and scientists were ...
~~(> ' ' )>
  03/16/25
the problem is that the left/bureaucratic class are a coalit...
""''"''
  03/16/25
Uncle Ted was right about a lot of things.
~~(> ' ' )>
  03/16/25
I don’t care much about where bat AIDS came from, but ...
Luigi's Mangina
  03/16/25
This woman should be executed. She was one of the biggest re...
bpd pussy
  03/16/25
Trump would made sure millions more died of COVID if he had ...
neurotic comptroller
  03/16/25
True. Maybe we should execute Trump too. For Murdering milli...
bpd pussy
  03/16/25
Kill yourself.
neurotic comptroller
  03/16/25
I'm 100% serious btw. Also we should execute Mike Pence too....
bpd pussy
  03/16/25
We know you want to execute Mike Pence. You already tried it...
neurotic comptroller
  03/16/25
Lol eat some shit, boy.
Restless Penis Syndrome
  03/16/25
You may be running a nice flame but if not did you convenien...
Charles Tyrwhitt Dad
  03/16/25
i think it's good that she is doing a "mea culpa" ...
Kenneth Play
  03/16/25
Every lib needs to die
lloyd daniels
  03/16/25
Sung with the tune of every rose has its thorn.
Hawk Taulia Tagovailoa
  03/16/25
isn't journalism supposed to be the check on the governments...
Cumbutt
  03/16/25
They just take Press Releases and report the contents imo.
Oh, You Travel?
  03/16/25
CTRL-F Fauci CTRL-F pardon
but at what cost
  03/16/25
What’s your point?
neurotic comptroller
  03/16/25
CTRL-F vaccine
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  03/16/25
Now imagine any conservative media outlet doing this after t...
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  03/16/25
TBF did admit he was wrong about Trump winning (despite refu...
neurotic comptroller
  03/16/25
Didn't Fox News call AZ for Biden and then have to backtrack...
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"We"?
David Poaster Wallace
  03/16/25
the score is 99-1, but libs focus on 1 wahhhhhh january 6!!...
sealclubber
  03/16/25
You storm the Capitol one little time and no one lets you fo...
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  03/17/25
xo kyrie knew what was up the whole time and put his money w...
Prolemobiler
  03/16/25
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humuhumunukunukuapua'a
  03/16/25
btw, the NYT has just run a modified, limited hangout about ...
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If the lab leak is definitively proven true, it would be mor...
Restless Penis Syndrome
  03/16/25
I’m glad the lab leak thing is showing definitively th...
humuhumunukunukuapua'a
  03/16/25
There is at least a critical mass holding to the opinion tha...
Restless Penis Syndrome
  03/16/25
the origin is less important than the lib authoritarian reac...
sealclubber
  03/16/25
It would be morally correct to blow the three gorges dam
Faggottini
  03/17/25
why do people give such a fuck about this? is it all shitlib...
Single Issue Voter
  03/17/25


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Date: March 16th, 2025 5:04 PM
Author: DrakeMallardxo (🦆)
Subject: “We”

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/16/opinion/covid-pandemic-lab-leak.html

We Were Badly Misled About the Event That Changed Our Lives

March 16, 2025

Since scientists first began playing around with dangerous pathogens in laboratories, the world has experienced four or five pandemics, depending on how you count. One of them, the 1977 Russian flu, was almost certainly sparked by a research mishap. Some Western scientists quickly suspected the odd virus had resided in a lab freezer for a couple of decades, but they kept mostly quiet for fear of ruffling feathers.

Yet in 2020, when people started speculating that a laboratory accident might have been the spark that started the Covid-19 pandemic, they were treated like kooks and cranks. Many public health officials and prominent scientists dismissed the idea as a conspiracy theory, insisting that the virus had emerged from animals in a seafood market in Wuhan, China. And when a nonprofit called EcoHealth Alliance lost a grant because it was planning to conduct risky research into bat viruses with the Wuhan Institute of Virology — research that, if conducted with lax safety standards, could have resulted in a dangerous pathogen leaking out into the world — no fewer than 77 Nobel laureates and 31 scientific societies lined up to defend the organization.

So, the Wuhan research was totally safe and the pandemic was definitely caused by natural transmission: It certainly seemed like consensus.

We have since learned, however, that to promote the appearance of consensus, some officials and scientists hid or understated crucial facts, misled at least one reporter, orchestrated campaigns of supposedly independent voices and even compared notes about how to hide their communications in order to keep the public from hearing the whole story. And as for that Wuhan laboratory’s research, the details that have since emerged show that safety precautions may have been terrifyingly lax.

Five years after the onset of the Covid pandemic, it’s tempting to think of all that as ancient history. We learned our lesson about lab safety — and about the need to be straight with the public — and now we can move on to new crises, like measles or the evolving bird flu, right?

Wrong. If anyone needs convincing that the next pandemic is only an accident away, check out a recent paper in Cell, a prestigious scientific journal. Researchers, many of whom work or have worked at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (yes, the same institution), describe taking samples of viruses found in bats (yes, the same animal) and experimenting to see if they could infect human cells and pose a pandemic risk.

Sounds like the kind of research that should be conducted — if at all! — with the very highest safety protocols, as W. Ian Lipkin and Ralph Baric discussed in a recent guest essay. But if you scroll all the way down to Page 19 of the journal article and squint, you learn that the scientists did all this under what they call “BSL-2 plus” conditions, a designation that isn’t standardized and that Baric and Lipkin say is “insufficient for work with potentially dangerous respiratory viruses.” If just one lab worker unwittingly inhaled the virus and got infected, there’s no telling what the impact could be on Wuhan, a city of millions, or beyond it, the world.

You’d think that by now we’d have learned it’s not a good idea to test potential gas leaks by lighting a match. And you’d hope that prestigious scientific journals would have learned not to reward such risky research.

Why haven’t we learned our lesson? Maybe because it’s hard to admit this research is risky now, and to take the requisite steps to keep us safe, without also admitting it was always risky. And that perhaps we were misled on purpose.

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Take the case of EcoHealth, that nonprofit organization that many of the scientists leaped to defend. When Wuhan experienced an outbreak of a novel coronavirus related to ones found in bats and researchers soon noticed the pathogen had the same rare genetic feature that the EcoHealth Alliance and the Wuhan researchers had once proposed inserting into bat coronaviruses, you would think EcoHealth would sound the alarm far and wide. It did not. Were it not for public records requests, leaks and subpoenas, the world might never have learned about the troubling similarities between what could easily have been going on inside the lab and what was spreading through the city.

Or take the real story behind two very influential publications that quite early in the pandemic cast the lab leak theory as baseless.

Know someone who would want to read this? Share the column.

The first was a March 2020 paper in the journal Nature Medicine, which was written by five prominent scientists, and which declared that no “laboratory-based scenario” for the pandemic virus was plausible. But we later learned through congressional subpoenas of their Slack conversations that while the scientists publicly said the scenario was implausible, privately, many of its authors considered the scenario to be not just plausible but likely. One of the authors of that paper, the evolutionary biologist Kristian Andersen, wrote in the Slack messages, “The lab escape version of this is so friggin’ likely to have happened because they were already doing this type of work and the molecular data is fully consistent with that scenario.”

Spooked, the co-authors reached out for advice to Jeremy Farrar, now the chief scientist at the World Health Organization. In his own book, Farrar reveals he acquired a burner phone and arranged meetings for them with high-ranking officials, including Francis Collins, then the director of the National Institutes of Health, and Anthony Fauci. Documents obtained through public records requests by the nonprofit U.S. Right to Know show that the scientists ultimately decided to move ahead with a paper on the topic.

Operating behind the scenes, Farrar reviewed their draft and suggested to the authors that they rule out the lab leak even more directly. They complied. Andersen later testified to Congress that he had simply become convinced that a lab leak, while theoretically possible, was not plausible. Later chat logs obtained by Congress show the paper’s lead authors discussing how to mislead Donald G. McNeil Jr., who was reporting on the pandemic’s origin for The Times, so as to throw him off track about the plausibility of a lab leak.

The second influential publication to dismiss the possibility of a lab leak was a letter published in early 2020 in The Lancet. The letter, which described the idea as a conspiracy theory, appeared to be the work of a group of independent scientists. It was anything but. Thanks to public document requests by U.S. Right to Know, the public later learned that behind the scenes, Peter Daszak, EcoHealth’s president, had drafted and circulated the letter, while strategizing on how to hide his tracks and telling the signatories that it “will not be identifiable as coming from any one organization or person.” The Lancet later published an addendum disclosing Daszak’s conflict of interest as a collaborator of the Wuhan lab, but the journal did not retract the letter.

And they had assistance. Thanks to more public records requests and congressional subpoenas, the public learned that David Morens, a senior scientific adviser to Fauci at N.I.H., wrote to Daszak that he had learned how to make “emails disappear,” especially emails about pandemic origins. “We’re all smart enough to know to never have smoking guns, and if we did we wouldn’t put them in emails and if we found them we’d delete them,” he wrote.

It’s not hard to imagine how the attempt to squelch legitimate debate may have started. Some of the loudest proponents of the lab leak theory weren’t just earnestly making inquiries, they were acting in terrible faith, using the debate over pandemic origins to attack legitimate, beneficial science, to inflame public opinion, to get attention. For scientists and public health officials, circling the wagons and vilifying anyone who dared to dissent might have seemed like a reasonable defense strategy.

That’s also why it might be tempting for those officials, or the organizations they represent, to avoid looking too closely at mistakes they made, at the ways that, while trying to do such a hard job, they may have withheld relevant information and even misled the public. Such self-scrutiny is especially uncomfortable now, as an unvaccinated child has died of measles and anti-vaccine nonsense is being pumped out by the top of the federal government. But a clumsy, misguided effort like this didn’t just fail, it backfired. These half-truths and strategic deceptions made it easier for people with the worst motives to appear trustworthy while discrediting important institutions where many earnestly labor in the public interest.

After a few dogged journalists, a small nonprofit pursuing Freedom of Information requests and an independent group of researchers brought these issues to light, followed by a congressional investigation, the Biden administration finally banned EcoHealth from all federal grants for five years.

That’s a start. The C.I.A. recently updated its assessment of how the Covid pandemic began, judging a lab leak to be the likely origin, albeit with low confidence. The Department of Energy, which runs sophisticated labs, and the F.B.I. had already come to that conclusion in 2023. But there are certainly more questions for governments and researchers across the world to answer. Why did it take until now for the German public to learn that way back in 2020, their Federal Intelligence Service endorsed a lab leak origin with 80 to 95 percent probability? What else is still being kept from us about the pandemic that half a decade ago changed all of our lives?

To this day, there is no strong scientific evidence ruling out a lab leak or proving that the virus arose from human-animal contact in that seafood market. The few papers cited for market origin were written by a small, overlapping group of authors, including those who didn’t tell the public how serious their doubts had been.

Only an honest conversation will lead us forward. Like any field with the potential to inflict harm on a global scale, research with dangerous, potentially super-transmissible pathogens cannot be left to self-regulation or lax and easily dodged rules, as is the case now. The goal should be an international treaty guiding biosafety, but we don’t have to be frozen in place until one appears. Leading journals could refuse to publish research that doesn’t conform to safety standards, the way they already reject research that doesn’t conform to ethical standards. Funders — whether universities or private corporations or public agencies — can favor studies that use research methods like harmless pseudoviruses or computer simulations. These steps alone would help disincentivize such dangerous research, here or in China. If some risky research is truly irreplaceable, it should be held to the highest safety conditions, and conducted far away from cities.

We may not know exactly how the Covid pandemic started, but if research activities were involved, that would mean two out of the last four or five pandemics were caused by our own scientific mishaps. Let’s not make a third.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753085)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 5:05 PM
Author: .,..,,.,.,.,.,.,..,.,.,..,..,


No one cares fatty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753087)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 5:10 PM
Author: ....;;;;;;.;;.;.;.;;.;..;;;......;.;;.;.;.;;;;..


I would take joy seeing these people strung up on lampposts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753096)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 5:17 PM
Author: neurotic comptroller

As far as I can remember the timeline went like this:

-Medical officials were unable to determine the source of the pandemic

-Cons insisted that COVID came from a lab leak

-Medical officials tried to remind people that the evidence of origin was inconclusive and to wait for further information before blaming a foreign country

-Cons got extremely mad that officials weren't jumping the gun on blaming China and fell into conspiracy theories

-Medical officials were finally able to confirm that COVID *MAY* have come from a lab

-Cons declare victory despite still not having conclusive evidence it came from a lab

It was just xenophobia. I don't know why the author is apologizing for doing due diligence, but I guess everyone else has moved on from this except for Cons so she was likely pressured into writing this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753115)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 5:19 PM
Author: ....;;;;;;.;;.;.;.;;.;..;;;......;.;;.;.;.;;;;..


Lab leak theory is just one of the several dozens of conservative "conspiracy theories" that have come true. Odd case

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753122)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 5:19 PM
Author: neurotic comptroller

"Cons declare victory despite still not having conclusive evidence it came from a lab"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753123)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 5:21 PM
Author: ....;;;;;;.;;.;.;.;;.;..;;;......;.;;.;.;.;;;;..


I'm glad it took libs 5 years to finally declare the evidence "conclusive"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753131)



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Date: March 17th, 2025 1:31 AM
Author: DrakeMallardxo (🦆)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48754087)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 5:20 PM
Author: ~~(> ' ' )>

You forgot the part where shitlibs reflexively took a "scientific" position precisely because it was *politically* opposed to the MAGA position.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753127)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 5:22 PM
Author: neurotic comptroller

Plenty of "shitlibs" were open to the idea that it may have come from a lab. Jon Stewart for example. What we weren't open to is blaming China for no reason other than xenophobia. Cons aren't so discerning.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753138)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 5:24 PM
Author: ~~(> ' ' )>

No reason? 🤣

>> Plenty of "shitlibs" were open to the idea that it may have come from a lab.

Yes, some *were*. They stopped immediately once the right took a position.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753145)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 5:26 PM
Author: neurotic comptroller

Explain how you knew it HAD to be a lab leak in 2020, not allowing yourself to be open to any other possibility, for any reason other than your pal Donny Trump was trying to wave on aggression against Chinese people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753151)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 5:27 PM
Author: ~~(> ' ' )>

"HAD to be"?

Straw man bullshit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753155)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 5:33 PM
Author: neurotic comptroller

I never met a single lib that wasn't willing to hear out the lab leak theory. Just not from people that were clearly giddy about sharing it because they hate the Chinese.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753184)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 5:39 PM
Author: ~~(> ' ' )>

So, in other words, they took a "scientific" position based on the political positions of the advocates.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753208)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 5:44 PM
Author: neurotic comptroller

They were persuaded scientific position based on the credibility of the advocates. Anyone that told you the lab leak theory was undeniably true did not have credibility. Plenty of libs were open to the idea. If you think liberals weren’t willing to entertain the lab leak theory at all, you just live in a bubble or were insufferable about it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753226)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 5:46 PM
Author: ""''"''

i can't tell if you're next level flame or fantastically stupid.

people were literally being driven out of public life, losing jobs for 'entertaining' the lab theory for like 2 years. it was de facto a criminal act.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753234)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 5:52 PM
Author: ~~(> ' ' )>



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753250)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 5:55 PM
Author: neurotic comptroller

That’s just literally not true and I doubt you can provide any examples that aren’t wildly taken out of context. I personally knew plenty that were willing to entertain it. The only people that were “cancelled” were people that were complete assholes about it and they weren’t even “cancelled” considering they have comfy homes being assholes on the right now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753258)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 5:59 PM
Author: Luigi's Mangina (SSPX Masterman)

The only people shamed and cancelled in my world were those who refused to be triple masked or get double vaccinated every month.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753270)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 6:05 PM
Author: ....;;;;;;.;;.;.;.;;.;..;;;......;.;;.;.;.;;;;..


Holy fuck, you are retarded. Or, if flame, brilliant

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753279)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 7:55 PM
Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded)

To be fair,

CR, no one was cancelled for that.

Also, if people were cancelled, it was ackkkkshually by Trump!

PS: On the off chance that anyone was cancelled for that by Biden, here's why that was a GOOD thing.

(Whew -- I think we covered all the bases!)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753494)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 6:30 PM
Author: No Paye No Gain

"Y U HATE USH?"

-Chinaman who let out a virus that killed millions

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753315)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 6:33 PM
Author: neurotic comptroller

Thanks for the example of why people don't take Cons seriously.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753327)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 10:32 PM
Author: No Paye No Gain

it appears they do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753853)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 5:24 PM
Author: ....;;;;;;.;;.;.;.;;.;..;;;......;.;;.;.;.;;;;..


Jon Stewart didn't acknowledge the lab leak until 2-3 years after.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753146)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 9:15 PM
Author: SkaddenArse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753694)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 9:54 PM
Author: sealclubber

no. june 15, 2021

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=jon+stewart+lab+leak+theory+wujan&mid=3EA2B7DE87BD58EA098F3EA2B7DE87BD58EA098F&FORM=VIRE

colbert starts out 'well, if there was any evidence' with the complete bullshit lib defense and stewart let him have it

also

6/1/2021 this

The Washington Post has issued a correction on its 2020 report on Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) and the lab-leak theory he had discussed in the media.

The newspaper revised a February 2020 story with the original headline “Tom Cotton keeps repeating a coronavirus conspiracy theory that was already debunked” as top public health experts have begun taking a more serious look at the origins of the coronavirus.

“Earlier versions of this story and its headline inaccurately characterized comments by Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) regarding the origins of the coronavirus. The term ‘debunked’ and The Post’s use of ‘conspiracy theory’ have been removed because, then as now, there was no determination about the origins of the virus,” reads the Post’s correction.

The new headline of the story reads “Tom Cotton keeps repeating a coronavirus fringe theory that scientists have disputed.”

libs have shit for brains

libs have scum for brains

libs are evil

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753773)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 5:26 PM
Author: Poaster Emeritus

but he was an anomaly. fellow shitlib Colbert was aghast when Stewart mentioned it, but bit his tongue out of respect because Jon made Colbert.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753152)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 6:00 PM
Author: lsd

This is revisionist history bs. Stewart talked about the lab leak theory a whole 2 years after start of COVID and it sent a huge shock throughout lib world, and only about a year after THAT "Plenty of "shitlibs" (read: very few) could muster enough courage to entertain the idea.

There were some former libs like Bret Weinstein and Rogan who talked about it and they were summarily exiled from the ranks of card carrying shitlibs immediately and relegated to ranks of nazis, as per libs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753271)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 6:05 PM
Author: neurotic comptroller

Bert Weinstein and Rogan are conservatives and I think that to whatever extent they were “exiled”, it was for way WAY more than just “entertaining the lab leak theory”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753280)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 6:34 PM
Author: lsd

This is more revisionist history. Both were card carrying shitlibs as late as 2020-2021.

But actually I believe you actually believe that and it’s amazing to see your people’s brains work like this. This is why you’re losing btw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753329)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 6:37 PM
Author: neurotic comptroller

Rogan told people to take non-prescribed "horse medication" (debate that term all you want but it literally is primarily used for horses), told them not to follow COVID restrictions and spent every episode of his show in that era denigrating the Biden administrations attempts to keep people safe. And he STILL wasn't cancelled. But it's not enough for you people that these people aren't cancelled, you want to force everyone to respect him. Fat chance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753342)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 6:45 PM
Author: ~~(> ' ' )>

"debate that term all you want"

The flame or mental illness is real for you.

"few, if any, other drugs can rival ivermectin for its beneficial impact on human health and welfare."

https://www.nature.com/articles/ja201711

By the way, antibiotics in general are "vet drugs." After all, 70% in the US are sold to agricultural users.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753360)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 6:47 PM
Author: neurotic comptroller

I don't care. Call it whatever you want. He was trying to get people to avoid real COVID treatments by suggesting they get dangerous medication you would usually need a prescription for on the black market. He deserves to be buried in a pit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753368)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 9:50 PM
Author: Luigi's Mangina (SSPX Masterman)

You could get a prescription for ivermectin but doctors were shamed into not writing them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753761)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 9:53 PM
Author: neurotic comptroller

Sure, and you know this because you’re a doctor?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753764)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 6:57 PM
Author: lsd

The “horse medicine” you describe won the Nobel price (for human medicine) in 2015 https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/2015/press-release/ and is on your beloved WHO’s list of most essential medicines: https://iris.who.int/bitstream/handle/10665/371090/WHO-MHP-HPS-EML-2023.02-eng.pdf?sequence=1

There are multiples studies showing it’s positive effects on human health:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3043740/

https://www.nature.com/articles/ja201711

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3043740/#:~:text=Ivermectin%20proved%20to%20be%20even,Onchocerciasis%20in%20humans%20in%201988

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S022352342300805X

https://www.cureus.com/articles/223832-ivermectin-a-multifaceted-drug-with-a-potential-beyond-anti-parasitic-therapy

And there were multiple studies showing it’s effectiveness against COVID in particular:

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)32506-6/fulltext

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8088823/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7709596/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753405)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 7:04 PM
Author: neurotic comptroller

I’m sure it work very well…for those PRESCRIBED with it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753414)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 7:50 PM
Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded)

To be fair,

Libs: "Uh, IDK... how about we just let actual trained doctors decide whether to proscribe medications for the individual patient that they're treating, guys? Why is this concept so hard for you stupid Trumpkins to understand?!"

*smugly pushes up glasses and adjusts buttplug*

CRAZY TWIST: The Biden Administration used the FDA to pressure physicians across the board not to proscribe Ivermectin as a COVID treatment throughout the pandemic, even when individual physicians did in fact want to proscribe it for individual patients in their care... oh, huh, wow... odd case very interesting, but of course that's "totally OK" for "reasons" hehe.... https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/27/health/fda-ivermectin-lawsuit/index.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753489)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 9:16 PM
Author: ........,,,,,,......,.,.,.,,,,,,,,,,


I have to apologize for doubting Weinstein.

I 100% knew that COVID came from a lie, but when he went on Joe Rogan and said "Yeah this virus obviously looks engineered" - i thought it was total bullshit.

The circumstances of the COVID made it obvious it came from the lab - but how could Weinstein, who wasn't a virologist, just contradict very virologist who clinged to this idea that there was nothing suspicious about it. It seemed like Weinstein just sayig something in order to stay relevant.

--And then it turned out, all the virologists WERE looking at it and saying "this is obviously engineered" - and emailing that shit to Fauci - they were just lying through their teeth to the public.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753695)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 6:29 PM
Author: .....,,,,,...,,,,,..,.,,,,,.,,.


You forgot the part where shitlib social media companies deplatformed and censored people who dared to support the lab leak theory at the direction of the Biden administration.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753313)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 6:30 PM
Author: ~~(> ' ' )>

Mithinformathun!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753319)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 6:34 PM
Author: neurotic comptroller

Protip that I know you'll ignore: Everyone else except you has moved on. Stop obsessing and try and enjoy life. You haven't lived under COVID restrictions for years now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753334)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 9:54 PM
Author: Luigi's Mangina (SSPX Masterman)

All the people forced to take the vaccines at threat of their livelihood need the opportunity to bitch slap someone from the CDC and/or Fauci and/or kick them in the nads before anyone should have to move on.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753775)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 10:02 PM
Author: sealclubber

that's not enough. fauci, milley, austin should die destitute along with the other scum like randi

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753793)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 7:18 PM
Author: Cumbutt (gunneratttt)

is this really a MASE troll account? because this deranged shitlib parody is jumping the shark yet it's still believable because deranged shitlib bullshit defies belief

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753445)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 7:20 PM
Author: bpd pussy

How are you guys so weak man he's barely even trying

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753449)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 8:47 PM
Author: Bob Stinson

Seems like Spaceporn.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753608)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 9:11 PM
Author: ........,,,,,,......,.,.,.,,,,,,,,,,


Here's the only timeline that matters:

March 2020 - COVID hits

April 2020 - pockets of Reddit and XOXO realize that the virus conclusively came from the lab backed with evidence, job descriptions, and evidence the Chinese were hiding their tracks

9 MONTHS later, a journalist finally publishes smoething in NY Magazine -

10 MORE months later - so effectively 1.5 years after XOXO conclusively proved lab leak theory - the NYT finally reports that some poeple think it might be plausible

Keep in mind, xoxo in April 2020 had evidence that the closest known variant to COVID 19 was being manipulated at teh Wuhan, the the Wuhan sequenced it, that China lied about sequencing it, that China had hid items related to their COVID manipulatio in their filing system, that the Wuhan was 200 yars from the outbreak, that members of the Wuhan lab were sick in fall of 2019, that Wuhan had job descriptions in 2019 for to hire scientists to manipulate coronaviruses.

--Now the question becomes, how did xoxo know all these facts, wrapped up in a bow to deliver the biggest bombshell of all time - yet the NYT wasn't even interested in reporting it for 18 months - despite publishig probably literally 20,000 other articles on COVID?

Why did the media not publish something that was seemingly the Pullitzer Prize wrapped up in a bow for them?

Why was there no investigation about the 1 in a million chance that there are millions of cities i teh world, and this happened in one of the 2 cities that were conducting gain of function research on coronaviruses?

The reason this is a big story is because it drives home the point that we do not have any journalism in this country. If they're not asking questions about a coronavirus outbreak, which occurred 200 yards from a lab studying coronaviruses, and all they have to do is google it and see the evidence laid out from them on fucking Reddit, then why even have a media?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753687)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 9:56 PM
Author: sealclubber

when was the first posting about the emails between fauci and those other cocksuckers in january 2020?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753779)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 10:03 PM
Author: ........,,,,,,......,.,.,.,,,,,,,,,,


Another totally bizarre part of the timeline. Looks like it was in June 2021.

All the articles are basically about him talking about precautions and shit. They don't referenced him getting emails that the virus was engineered and then putting out papers to the contrary.

I think the OP is the first time I've ever seen a major publication bring up Fauci getting emails and then coordinating the paper lying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753795)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 10:43 PM
Author: DrakeMallardxo (🦆)

There were quite a few of us who knew the virus was fraud and it leaked from a lab in March 2020. I know this because I was one of them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753876)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 10:20 PM
Author: Mr. Whiskers

Are you a troll?

You conveniently left out people getting deplatformed , called racist and even losing jobs for suggesting a lab leak was possible. Not to mention the coordinated “fact checks” immediately debunking the lab leak theory.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753833)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 5:17 PM
Author: ~~(> ' ' )>

"Public health professionals" and scientists were obviously acting with political and self interests in mind. This was also, among other things, the season of the Floyd Protest Exception to social distancing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753117)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 5:38 PM
Author: ""''"''

the problem is that the left/bureaucratic class are a coalition of people who do things to satisfy personal neurotic needs, reality be damned. the commonality among them is that they are all driven by some form of deep ressentiment about their own abnormality, whether racial, sexual, class based, gender, whatever. Fauci tyrannized the country for 3 years because he's 5'6" and got stuffed in a locker in HS.

this is why democracy is gay.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753201)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 6:26 PM
Author: ~~(> ' ' )>

Uncle Ted was right about a lot of things.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753305)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 5:58 PM
Author: Luigi's Mangina (SSPX Masterman)

I don’t care much about where bat AIDS came from, but I’d like revenge on all the faggots who wanted to lock down super hard and tried to force everyone to get vaccinated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753264)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 6:38 PM
Author: bpd pussy

This woman should be executed. She was one of the biggest regime shills for disastrous covid policy. Not flame she along with Fauci and others simply need to be executed if we're ever gonna move on from covid

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753348)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 6:40 PM
Author: neurotic comptroller

Trump would made sure millions more died of COVID if he had won in 2020 (but he did his best in the year that he had)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753351)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 6:45 PM
Author: bpd pussy

True. Maybe we should execute Trump too. For Murdering millions with the Jewish Heart Attack Jab which was deliberately designed by the Central Bankers to cull the world's population down to Georgia Guidestones levels

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753361)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 6:48 PM
Author: neurotic comptroller

Kill yourself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753370)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 6:49 PM
Author: bpd pussy

I'm 100% serious btw. Also we should execute Mike Pence too. Not sure what for but it seems like the right thing to do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753375)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 6:51 PM
Author: neurotic comptroller

We know you want to execute Mike Pence. You already tried it once.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753383)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 6:55 PM
Author: Restless Penis Syndrome

Lol eat some shit, boy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753398)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 8:28 PM
Author: Charles Tyrwhitt Dad

You may be running a nice flame but if not did you conveniently ignore Trump's Operation Warp Speed and got the vaccine out in record time (and that the vaccine was conveniently not "discovered" until the day or so after the election?). And high risk people were getting their vaccinations by late December/early January before Biden took office?

I guess so.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753540)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 9:57 PM
Author: Kenneth Play

i think it's good that she is doing a "mea culpa" here, like, she got redpilled. that's more encouraging to me than the ruling class rewriting history and saying oh no we never did that (wrt mask wearing, or prophylaxis or whatever)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753780)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 6:54 PM
Author: lloyd daniels

Every lib needs to die

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753394)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 7:10 PM
Author: Hawk Taulia Tagovailoa (High Constitutional Moment)

Sung with the tune of every rose has its thorn.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753429)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 7:22 PM
Author: Cumbutt (gunneratttt)

isn't journalism supposed to be the check on the governments narrative?

the nyt was the leading rag on suppressing any "COVID misinformation" but now they're trying to cop out with "we were mislead." you're the institution that's supposed to be questioning the narrative and being an outlet for a free exchange of ideas!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753452)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 10:06 PM
Author: Oh, You Travel? ( )

They just take Press Releases and report the contents imo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753802)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 8:49 PM
Author: but at what cost

CTRL-F Fauci

CTRL-F pardon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753614)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 8:52 PM
Author: neurotic comptroller

What’s your point?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753628)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 9:16 PM
Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,..,.,.,;:......;,;,,:.:.,:.::,,


CTRL-F vaccine

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753696)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 9:03 PM
Author: :;:;;;:;:;;;:;:;:;:;

Now imagine any conservative media outlet doing this after their humiliating election debacles

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753670)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 9:11 PM
Author: neurotic comptroller

TBF did admit he was wrong about Trump winning (despite refusing to retire like a coward)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753688)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 9:31 PM
Author: ........,,,,,,......,.,.,.,,,,,,,,,,


Didn't Fox News call AZ for Biden and then have to backtrack?

Like wtf are we talking about here?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753719)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 9:42 PM
Author: David Poaster Wallace

"We"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753745)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 9:59 PM
Author: sealclubber

the score is 99-1, but libs focus on 1

wahhhhhh january 6!!!!!!!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753784)



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Date: March 17th, 2025 12:16 AM
Author: .,..,,.,.,.,.,.,..,.,.,..,..,


You storm the Capitol one little time and no one lets you forget it!

And lol at 99-1.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753999)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 10:01 PM
Author: Prolemobiler

xo kyrie knew what was up the whole time and put his money where his mouth is

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753792)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 10:34 PM
Author: humuhumunukunukuapua'a



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753855)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 10:06 PM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


btw, the NYT has just run a modified, limited hangout about COVID fraud.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/16/opinion/covid-pandemic-lab-leak.html

https://archive.ph/5CGFM

eventually the author gets around to the fraud about the lab leak theory. between this article and the recent book about COVID fraud you have to wonder if the mainstream is ready to admit the truth, at least in some ways.

====

Or take the real story behind two very influential publications that quite early in the pandemic cast the lab leak theory as baseless.

The first was a March 2020 paper in the journal Nature Medicine, which was written by five prominent scientists and declared that no “laboratory-based scenario” for the pandemic virus was plausible. But we later learned through congressional subpoenas of their Slack conversations that while the scientists publicly said the scenario was implausible, privately many of its authors considered the scenario to be not just plausible but likely. One of the authors of that paper, the evolutionary biologist Kristian Andersen, wrote in the Slack messages, “The lab escape version of this is so friggin’ likely to have happened because they were already doing this type of work and the molecular data is fully consistent with that scenario.”

Spooked, the authors reached out for advice to Jeremy Farrar, now the chief scientist at the World Health Organization. In his book, Farrar reveals he acquired a burner phone and arranged meetings for them with high-ranking officials, including Francis Collins, then the director of the National Institutes of Health, and Dr. Anthony Fauci. Documents obtained through public records requests by the nonprofit U.S. Right to Know show that the scientists ultimately decided to move ahead with a paper on the topic.

Operating behind the scenes, Farrar reviewed their draft and suggested to the authors that they rule out the lab leak even more directly. They complied. Andersen later testified to Congress that he had simply become convinced that a lab leak, while theoretically possible, was not plausible. Later chat logs obtained by Congress show the paper’s lead authors discussing how to mislead Donald G. McNeil Jr., who was reporting on the pandemic’s origin for The Times, so as to throw him off track about the plausibility of a lab leak.

The second influential publication to dismiss the possibility of a lab leak was a letter published in early 2020 in The Lancet. The letter, which described the idea as a conspiracy theory, appeared to be the work of a group of independent scientists. It was anything but. Thanks to public document requests by U.S. Right to Know, the public later learned that behind the scenes, Peter Daszak, EcoHealth’s president, had drafted and circulated the letter while strategizing on how to hide his tracks and telling the signatories that it “will not be identifiable as coming from any one organization or person.” The Lancet later published an addendum disclosing Daszak’s conflict of interest as a collaborator of the Wuhan lab, but the journal did not retract the letter.

And they had assistance. Thanks to more public records requests and congressional subpoenas, the public learned that David Morens, a senior scientific adviser to Fauci at the National Institutes of Health, wrote to Daszak that he had learned how to make “emails disappear,” especially emails about pandemic origins. “We’re all smart enough to know to never have smoking guns, and if we did we wouldn’t put them in emails and if we found them we’d delete them,” he wrote.

It’s not hard to imagine how the attempt to squelch legitimate debate might have started. Some of the loudest proponents of the lab leak theory weren’t just earnestly making inquiries; they were acting in terrible faith, using the debate over pandemic origins to attack legitimate, beneficial science, to inflame public opinion, to get attention. For scientists and public health officials, circling the wagons and vilifying anyone who dared to dissent might have seemed like a reasonable defense strategy.

That’s also why it might be tempting for those officials or the organizations they represent to avoid looking too closely at mistakes they made, at the ways that, while trying to do such a hard job, they might have withheld relevant information and even misled the public. Such self-scrutiny is especially uncomfortable now, as an unvaccinated child has died of measles and anti-vaccine nonsense is being pumped out by the top of the federal government. But a clumsy, misguided effort like this didn’t just fail; it backfired. These half-truths and strategic deceptions made it easier for people with the worst motives to appear trustworthy while discrediting important institutions where many earnestly labor in the public interest.

After a few dogged journalists, a small nonprofit pursuing Freedom of Information requests and an independent group of researchers brought these issues to light, followed by a congressional investigation, the Biden administration finally barred EcoHealth from receiving federal grants for five years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753805)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: Restless Penis Syndrome

If the lab leak is definitively proven true, it would be morally correct to take the people who tried to suppress the truth (from redditors on up to government officials) out into a field and machine gun them into a trench.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753829)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 10:36 PM
Author: humuhumunukunukuapua'a

I’m glad the lab leak thing is showing definitively that libs lied out their asses about everything, but ultimately shouldn’t punishment be more directed to the ones who pushed for lockdowns, vaxxes, and the shit that actually fucked everyone’s life up?

I realize this overlaps a lot with the “lab leak bad! reeeeee!” group but ultimately where it came from seems a lot less important than the shit that was forced on us over a mild cold/flu imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753859)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 10:48 PM
Author: Restless Penis Syndrome

There is at least a critical mass holding to the opinion that the reaction to covid was a clusterfuck of bad decisions. The central lie of the virus' origin, and how it has been upheld, provides zero assurance this shit won't happen again.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753881)



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Date: March 16th, 2025 10:57 PM
Author: sealclubber

the origin is less important than the lib authoritarian reactions to it

shut down churches

schools

businesses

except liquor stores and mega stores

mandatory vax for jobs and soldiers

all after establishing that covid was not an existential threat, but

if it saves just one life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48753891)



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Date: March 17th, 2025 12:35 AM
Author: Faggottini

It would be morally correct to blow the three gorges dam

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48754021)



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Date: March 17th, 2025 1:37 AM
Author: Single Issue Voter

why do people give such a fuck about this? is it all shitlibs vs. reptiles posturing or is there something relevant about the origin? the government and its allies in the media bullshit us for various stupid and paternalistic reasons, more shocking news at 11:00! private sector is evil and fucked up too. why is there discussion in here of lining up the perpetrators for the lab-leak suppression and gunning them down? i don't understand why anyone would spend much time thinking about this or harbor so much outrage.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695042&forum_id=2:#48754097)