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Is the US becoming more or less of a meritocracy?

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Alcoholic soul-stirring rigor
  10/25/12
“It’s becoming conventional wisdom that the U.S. does not ha...
Embarrassed to the bone really tough guy police squad
  10/25/12
I agree with the gist of that article. However, I came from ...
Alcoholic soul-stirring rigor
  10/25/12
*fights statistics with anecdotes*
Excitant cuckold
  10/25/12
I said I agree with the gist of that article, brother. I jus...
Alcoholic soul-stirring rigor
  10/25/12
The whole thing is lib horseshit. The statistics are useless...
Cowardly casino
  10/25/12
that's what good parents can do for you
aromatic ticket booth
  10/25/12
CR
Alcoholic soul-stirring rigor
  10/25/12
MFCR this is why stats like these are useless as fuck. ...
Self-absorbed indirect expression menage
  10/25/12
Every one of those studies is a sham. They measure economic ...
Cowardly casino
  10/25/12
This is possibly the worst post ever.
Embarrassed to the bone really tough guy police squad
  10/25/12
I'm 100% right. LOL at your obvious inability to make a subs...
Cowardly casino
  10/25/12
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pungent 180 hairy legs shitlib
  10/25/12
Feel free to make a point, jackass.
Cowardly casino
  10/25/12
FWIW, the American dream isn't rising from the bottom fifth ...
Fluffy Overrated Corn Cake
  10/25/12
I would like to see the rate of that compared to other count...
Cowardly casino
  10/25/12
It might be true in the sense of $ earned but class is more ...
Big autistic whorehouse volcanic crater
  09/25/24
more of a meritocracy, but that may mean less mobility as th...
Excitant cuckold
  10/25/12
This is a good point, meritocracy and mobility are not the s...
Cowardly casino
  10/25/12
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Excitant cuckold
  10/25/12
this is a crucial point that will never be discussed in poli...
citrine university
  10/25/12
Tcr. And that is aside from the other fatal flaw of the stud...
Cowardly casino
  10/25/12
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Cowardly casino
  10/25/12
Less overall but more at the highest levels
Mauve Circlehead
  10/25/12
The US has never been a meritocracy you morons.
Cyan Friendly Grandma
  10/25/12
bro, look at almost all of our recent presidents: obama, cli...
citrine university
  10/25/12
the president is a powerless figurehead.
Cyan Friendly Grandma
  10/25/12
ASIANS GAME THE SAT, SOFTS ARE MORE IMPORTANT WHO CARES ABOU...
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nyuug
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nyuug
  11/15/24
Less.
bat-shit-crazy church building
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Bipolar magical center
  09/25/24
i wonder who makes up a large portion of the bottom 1/5th in...
Claret death wish
  09/25/24
It never was a meritocracy, this is such a BS myth. U always...
vivacious weed whacker
  09/25/24
(literal fucktarded cumskin obamamo who literally was full o...
pearly philosopher-king
  09/25/24
just stfu gook
vivacious weed whacker
  09/25/24
lol@ tommy literally getting his shit pushed in everytime NY...
pearly philosopher-king
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Date: October 25th, 2012 1:56 PM
Author: Alcoholic soul-stirring rigor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#21882079)



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Date: October 25th, 2012 1:57 PM
Author: Embarrassed to the bone really tough guy police squad

“It’s becoming conventional wisdom that the U.S. does not have as much mobility as most other advanced countries,” said Isabel V. Sawhill, an economist at the Brookings Institution. “I don’t think you’ll find too many people who will argue with that.”

One reason for the mobility gap may be the depth of American poverty, which leaves poor children starting especially far behind. Another may be the unusually large premiums that American employers pay for college degrees. Since children generally follow their parents’ educational trajectory, that premium increases the importance of family background and stymies people with less schooling.

At least five large studies in recent years have found the United States to be less mobile than comparable nations. A project led by Markus Jantti, an economist at a Swedish university, found that 42 percent of American men raised in the bottom fifth of incomes stay there as adults. That shows a level of persistent disadvantage much higher than in Denmark (25 percent) and Britain (30 percent) — a country famous for its class constraints.

Meanwhile, just 8 percent of American men at the bottom rose to the top fifth. That compares with 12 percent of the British and 14 percent of the Danes.

Despite frequent references to the United States as a classless society, about 62 percent of Americans (male and female) raised in the top fifth of incomes stay in the top two-fifths, according to research by the Economic Mobility Project of the Pew Charitable Trusts. Similarly, 65 percent born in the bottom fifth stay in the bottom two-fifths.

By emphasizing the influence of family background, the studies not only challenge American identity but speak to the debate about inequality. While liberals often complain that the United States has unusually large income gaps, many conservatives have argued that the system is fair because mobility is especially high, too: everyone can climb the ladder. Now the evidence suggests that America is not only less equal, but also less mobile.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/us/harder-for-americans-to-rise-from-lower-rungs.html?_r=0&pagewanted=print

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#21882099)



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Date: October 25th, 2012 2:02 PM
Author: Alcoholic soul-stirring rigor

I agree with the gist of that article. However, I came from a family where one of the parents was an immigrant, and whose other parent grew up on a farm in ARE country. Neither parent came from a family of means. They both received undergraduate degrees from a non-flagship state school. I was born and raised in a 1500 sq foot house in a lower to middle class neighborhood (think median incomes of 40-60k). I attended public schools, including undergrad and lawl school.

Today, I am married to an MD (from a family of means) and am in BIGLAW. I accomplished this thanks to grinding and striving and in the pursuit of DAT prestige. And on top of it all, I'm of MIDDLING intelligence.

So it definitely can be done.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#21882151)



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Date: October 25th, 2012 2:03 PM
Author: Excitant cuckold

*fights statistics with anecdotes*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#21882155)



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Date: October 25th, 2012 2:03 PM
Author: Alcoholic soul-stirring rigor

I said I agree with the gist of that article, brother. I just don't think it's necessarily that cut and dry.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#21882164)



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Date: October 25th, 2012 2:03 PM
Author: Cowardly casino

The whole thing is lib horseshit. The statistics are useless for several reasons. Every fucking immigrant says that America is the land of opportunity, much more than wherever they came from and everywhere else. This is whether they are 1st world, 2nd world, whatever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#21882160)



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Date: October 25th, 2012 2:03 PM
Author: aromatic ticket booth

that's what good parents can do for you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#21882165)



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Date: October 25th, 2012 2:05 PM
Author: Alcoholic soul-stirring rigor

CR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#21882180)



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Date: October 25th, 2012 3:10 PM
Author: Self-absorbed indirect expression menage

MFCR

this is why stats like these are useless as fuck. If anything, the problem is culture/family values, not the system. If you're raised well, you can succeed out of literally any environment in America.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#21882812)



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Date: October 25th, 2012 2:02 PM
Author: Cowardly casino

Every one of those studies is a sham. They measure economic mobility as a RELATIVE thing, relative to the other people within that country. I would like to see one that measures economic mobility in absolute measures for a much more accurate comparison between countries.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#21882154)



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Date: October 25th, 2012 2:32 PM
Author: Embarrassed to the bone really tough guy police squad

This is possibly the worst post ever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#21882450)



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Date: October 25th, 2012 2:34 PM
Author: Cowardly casino

I'm 100% right. LOL at your obvious inability to make a substantive point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#21882458)



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Date: October 25th, 2012 2:34 PM
Author: pungent 180 hairy legs shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#21882465)



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Date: October 25th, 2012 2:39 PM
Author: Cowardly casino

Feel free to make a point, jackass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#21882487)



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Date: October 25th, 2012 3:08 PM
Author: Fluffy Overrated Corn Cake

FWIW, the American dream isn't rising from the bottom fifth to the top fifth. It's rising from the bottom fifth (or bottom tenth) to the top 1%. Pretty sure we still do that well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#21882778)



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Date: October 25th, 2012 3:10 PM
Author: Cowardly casino

I would like to see the rate of that compared to other countries. I would also like to see either a) how much movement there is in absolute terms compared to other countries, or b) how much movement between top and bottom fifths *of all the countries being compared* in the US vs others.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#21882803)



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Date: September 25th, 2024 2:21 AM
Author: Big autistic whorehouse volcanic crater

It might be true in the sense of $ earned but class is more than just that. American upper class are far more chill and down to earth than the British. There’s much more snobbery in other countries

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#48129349)



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Date: October 25th, 2012 2:03 PM
Author: Excitant cuckold

more of a meritocracy, but that may mean less mobility as the kids of the "meritorious" are themselves more likely to be meritorious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#21882162)



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Date: October 25th, 2012 2:04 PM
Author: Cowardly casino

This is a good point, meritocracy and mobility are not the same thing. IOW, the existence of opportunity for mobility is not the same thing as how much movement people actually make (which is what the studies above measure).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#21882177)



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Date: October 25th, 2012 2:08 PM
Author: Excitant cuckold



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#21882201)



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Date: October 25th, 2012 2:42 PM
Author: citrine university

this is a crucial point that will never be discussed in polite company or policy-making.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#21882513)



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Date: October 25th, 2012 3:07 PM
Author: Cowardly casino

Tcr. And that is aside from the other fatal flaw of the studies which I mentioned above.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#21882770)



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Date: October 25th, 2012 2:30 PM
Author: Cowardly casino



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#21882441)



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Date: October 25th, 2012 2:32 PM
Author: Mauve Circlehead

Less overall but more at the highest levels

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#21882451)



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Date: October 25th, 2012 2:52 PM
Author: Cyan Friendly Grandma

The US has never been a meritocracy you morons.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#21882595)



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Date: October 25th, 2012 3:06 PM
Author: citrine university

bro, look at almost all of our recent presidents: obama, clinton, reagan, carter, ford, nixon, johnson. clearly it's not just an aristocracy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#21882753)



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Date: October 25th, 2012 3:09 PM
Author: Cyan Friendly Grandma

the president is a powerless figurehead.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#21882787)



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Date: September 19th, 2024 6:59 PM
Author: pearly philosopher-king

ASIANS GAME THE SAT, SOFTS ARE MORE IMPORTANT WHO CARES ABOUT SCORES

BUT NIGGERS SCORE LOW ON THE SAT SO THEY ARE LOW IQ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#48110701)



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Date: September 22nd, 2024 7:01 PM
Author: pearly philosopher-king



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#48120875)



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Date: September 24th, 2024 12:48 AM
Author: pearly philosopher-king



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#48125665)



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Date: September 24th, 2024 5:39 PM
Author: pearly philosopher-king



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#48127837)



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Date: September 25th, 2024 2:07 AM
Author: pearly philosopher-king



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#48129332)



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Date: September 25th, 2024 11:31 PM
Author: pearly philosopher-king



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#48132824)



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Date: September 26th, 2024 9:57 PM
Author: pearly philosopher-king



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#48136031)



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Date: November 5th, 2024 2:13 AM
Author: pearly philosopher-king



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#48284501)



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Date: November 7th, 2024 12:58 AM
Author: pearly philosopher-king



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#48304170)



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Date: November 13th, 2024 12:05 AM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#48329789)



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Date: November 15th, 2024 12:06 AM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#48339909)



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Date: September 22nd, 2024 7:02 PM
Author: bat-shit-crazy church building

Less.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#48120879)



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Date: September 25th, 2024 3:23 AM
Author: Bipolar magical center



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#48129378)



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Date: September 25th, 2024 2:42 AM
Author: Claret death wish

i wonder who makes up a large portion of the bottom 1/5th in America and why they aren't rising up if we are supposedly a meritocracy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#48129360)



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Date: September 25th, 2024 11:32 PM
Author: vivacious weed whacker

It never was a meritocracy, this is such a BS myth. U always had AA and legacy admit, which was even more during like Dubya and FDR's time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#48132827)



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Date: September 25th, 2024 11:33 PM
Author: pearly philosopher-king

(literal fucktarded cumskin obamamo who literally was full on shitlib before a certain "chill" kind of trumpian turn)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#48132835)



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Date: September 25th, 2024 11:35 PM
Author: vivacious weed whacker

just stfu gook

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#48132842)



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Date: September 25th, 2024 11:38 PM
Author: pearly philosopher-king

lol@ tommy literally getting his shit pushed in everytime NYUUG makes his mere presence known

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2091791&forum_id=2[/quote#48132847)