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IS CONSCIOUSNESS FADING IN MODERN SOCIETY?

This is a top notch read https://gaiusbaltar.substack.com...
cock of michael obama
  12/22/24
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cock of michael obama
  12/22/24
very good stuff. this is my primary area of work and study. ...
buddy of mine
  12/22/24
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cock of michael obama
  12/22/24
I wouldn't say top notch, but it's a sight better than a con...
FizzKidd
  12/22/24
(Missing right brain intuition)
cock of michael obama
  12/22/24
haven't read the whole thing yet, but I highly disagree with...
,.,,...,,,,,........,,,,,,,,,,,,,
  12/22/24
The reasoning happens unconsciously but it doesn’t get...
cock of michael obama
  12/22/24
okey I should have read more before I poasted but I just fou...
,.,,...,,,,,........,,,,,,,,,,,,,
  12/22/24
(guy who solved the problem of induction as an undergrad)
buddy of mine
  12/22/24
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cock of michael obama
  12/22/24
different thing and I definitely didn't, but the problem of ...
,.,,...,,,,,........,,,,,,,,,,,,,
  12/22/24
It was a joke friend I'd be interested in reading your th...
buddy of mine
  12/22/24
ooh I actually found it! it might be garbo idk it was like ...
,.,,...,,,,,........,,,,,,,,,,,,,
  12/22/24
It feels like his anecdote was probably an azn birdbrain. Wh...
benzo (retired)
  12/22/24
Don’t be mean to Fizzkidd
cock of michael obama
  12/22/24
Herding and mob mentality have never heretofore been observe...
UN peacekeeper
  12/22/24
No white people are just being blotted out by international ...
i should call her
  12/22/24
lol this is just cons whining “why do libs make fun of...
"'''''"'''"""''''"
  12/22/24
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UN peacekeeper
  12/22/24
ALL THAT I AM IS FADING THE MEMORY OF A GODS EXISTENCE BORN...
the place where there is no darkness
  12/22/24


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Date: December 22nd, 2024 2:08 PM
Author: cock of michael obama

This is a top notch read

https://gaiusbaltar.substack.com/p/is-consciousness-fading-in-modern

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5652911&forum_id=2#48475536)



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Date: December 22nd, 2024 2:28 PM
Author: cock of michael obama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5652911&forum_id=2#48475596)



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Date: December 22nd, 2024 2:39 PM
Author: buddy of mine

very good stuff. this is my primary area of work and study. i don't see many other people write publicly about this. he hits pretty much all the key points

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5652911&forum_id=2#48475639)



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Date: December 22nd, 2024 2:45 PM
Author: cock of michael obama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5652911&forum_id=2#48475661)



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Date: December 22nd, 2024 2:47 PM
Author: FizzKidd (derpy STEM dysgenic)

I wouldn't say top notch, but it's a sight better than a consuela blog

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5652911&forum_id=2#48475675)



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Date: December 22nd, 2024 2:49 PM
Author: cock of michael obama

(Missing right brain intuition)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5652911&forum_id=2#48475685)



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Date: December 22nd, 2024 3:19 PM
Author: ,.,,...,,,,,........,,,,,,,,,,,,,


haven't read the whole thing yet, but I highly disagree with the idea that synthetic/inductive reasoning must be conscious.  we ALWAYS subconsciously notice patterns and apply them to novel stimuli; that's how things like unconscious bias happen.  our brains were built to generalize.

to be fair, iirc, I once wrote a paper taking issue with Kant's distinction between synthetic and analytic truths – arguing that there's no difference at all – particularly the idea of distinguishing between them on the basis of the process of reasoning.  I remember my prof found one of my counterexamples very convincing, but I can't find the paper now. o__0 I think I showed how one of Kant's (or Quine's? or Chalmers'?) examples of inductive reasoning could be reduced to deductive reasoning.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5652911&forum_id=2#48475829)



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Date: December 22nd, 2024 3:24 PM
Author: cock of michael obama

The reasoning happens unconsciously but it doesn’t get integrated properly unless it’s verbalized to oneself. If it’s not consciously integrated it “leaks out” after being suppressed in unexpected and uncontrollable ways. This is basic jungian stuff

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5652911&forum_id=2#48475843)



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Date: December 22nd, 2024 3:54 PM
Author: ,.,,...,,,,,........,,,,,,,,,,,,,


okey I should have read more before I poasted but I just found "The patterns that emerge are based on the strengths of associations and are not necessarily logical. They must therefore be evaluated consciously." so objectionable (on two levels) that I had to reply ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'll finish reading later

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5652911&forum_id=2#48475939)



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Date: December 22nd, 2024 3:27 PM
Author: buddy of mine

(guy who solved the problem of induction as an undergrad)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5652911&forum_id=2#48475857)



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Date: December 22nd, 2024 3:29 PM
Author: cock of michael obama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5652911&forum_id=2#48475869)



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Date: December 22nd, 2024 3:55 PM
Author: ,.,,...,,,,,........,,,,,,,,,,,,,


different thing and I definitely didn't, but the problem of induction is one of my fav examples to give people about what kind of (useless but super interesting) questions we study in analytic philosophy 👍🏻

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5652911&forum_id=2#48475945)



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Date: December 22nd, 2024 3:57 PM
Author: buddy of mine

It was a joke friend

I'd be interested in reading your thesis if you can somehow scrounge it up. Also I'm not so sure about it being useless. We're about to hit a very brave new world of induction-based artificial intelligence

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5652911&forum_id=2#48475951)



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Date: December 22nd, 2024 7:10 PM
Author: ,.,,...,,,,,........,,,,,,,,,,,,,


ooh I actually found it! it might be garbo idk it was like 11 years ago and I'm stupid now so I can't tell

the poker example at the end of Page 3 is what my professor found convincing:

```Because Kant’s grammar is restricted to sentences of forms such as “All S are P” and “No S is Q” and his logic [is] restricted accordingly, conceptual analysis consists of the extremely trivial process alluded to thus far in this paper. (“Does the concept of S say anything about P?”)

    However, if Kant’s propositions and/or logical axioms were afforded some additional complexity, conceptual analysis would become much more involved (and much more useful!). For example, suppose Kant allowed for disjunctions and conditionals in his grammar. [...] [T]he evaluation of claims may start requiring complicated decision trees. [...] Consider an analytic statement about poker hands, in which one must use the (rather uncomplicated) concepts of the types of poker hands to evaluate the truth of: “A full house or a three of a kind is included in a hand composed of two of the cards A, B, and C; one of D or E; and one of F or G, if the fifth card is H, or in the hand consisting of I, J, K, L, M”. Imagine working through that on a chalkboard: the demonstration of such a claim may look a lot like the demonstration of a mathematical claim--like an example of conceptual synthesis. [B]ut it is clearly an analytic one, concerned only with the definitions of different kinds of poker hands.```

here's the paper as a docx: https://jmp.sh/s/T89RP9zoy0tMri05C1wA

or PDF if your device can't open that: https://jmp.sh/s/saVFU3u5SDMs2Ts031s8

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great point about AI – I hadn't thought about that – ofc phil/mind is more relevant than ever, but you're totally right about epistemology becoming increasingly significant too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5652911&forum_id=2#48476541)



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Date: December 22nd, 2024 3:32 PM
Author: benzo (retired)

It feels like his anecdote was probably an azn birdbrain. Why don't we just say that Race and Sex are salient?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5652911&forum_id=2#48475879)



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Date: December 22nd, 2024 3:33 PM
Author: cock of michael obama

Don’t be mean to Fizzkidd

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5652911&forum_id=2#48475882)



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Date: December 22nd, 2024 3:43 PM
Author: UN peacekeeper

Herding and mob mentality have never heretofore been observed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5652911&forum_id=2#48475899)



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Date: December 22nd, 2024 4:09 PM
Author: i should call her

No white people are just being blotted out by international jewery

This concept doesn't even exist in other races



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5652911&forum_id=2#48475977)



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Date: December 22nd, 2024 4:16 PM
Author: "'''''"'''"""''''"

lol this is just cons whining “why do libs make fun of our conspiracy theories???”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5652911&forum_id=2#48476006)



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Date: December 22nd, 2024 4:33 PM
Author: UN peacekeeper



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5652911&forum_id=2#48476069)



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Date: December 22nd, 2024 5:14 PM
Author: the place where there is no darkness

ALL THAT I AM IS FADING

THE MEMORY OF A GODS EXISTENCE BORN FROM THE CHAOS OF CREATION

IT IS VANISHING

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5652911&forum_id=2#48476218)