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Rate this e-mail from my gardener trying to charge me $10k for $5k worth of work

I am really, really sorry about this, but I have been as fle...
Abnormal clear national jap
  05/23/24
#powergoyproblems
180 alcoholic parlour
  05/23/24
powergoy as hell. I expected to see dbg as the OP, not someo...
Impressive theatre partner
  05/23/24
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Lavender haunted graveyard
  05/23/24
Need more details surrounding the dispute
appetizing cruise ship
  05/23/24
He basically did not invoice me all of last summer and then ...
Abnormal clear national jap
  05/23/24
It’s good to nip these things in the bud (you can ask ...
appetizing cruise ship
  05/23/24
Well I think he thinks I'm one of these people who doesn't c...
Abnormal clear national jap
  05/23/24
what makes you think your number is correct and his isn't?
disgusting fantasy-prone lodge
  05/23/24
also why the fuck is he paying someone all this money to gar...
Flushed principal's office
  05/23/24
He built vegetable garden beds, replaced mulch, and other st...
Abnormal clear national jap
  05/23/24
Just pay the man. You could offer him $3500 to fuck off, but...
Adventurous Parlor Juggernaut
  05/24/24
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curious salmon orchestra pit
  05/24/24
sounds like $10k worth of work tbh
flesh wonderful plaza son of senegal
  05/28/24
At least
Electric nudist station hominid
  05/28/24
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Vigorous kitchen laser beams
  05/23/24
did you have a contract stating scope of work and cost? if ...
Vigorous kitchen laser beams
  05/23/24
No contract stating scope of work. He sent a proposal which ...
Abnormal clear national jap
  05/23/24
if he performed under the proposal and you accepted his serv...
Talented Soggy Space Sneaky Criminal
  05/23/24
It's going to be a fact issue. Proposal + silence/acceptance...
Charismatic talking water buffalo
  05/24/24
gonna need an expert BIG GARDENING witness to straighten thi...
fear-inspiring liquid oxygen potus
  05/24/24
Why didn’t you respond to the proposal? Did the pro...
Rough-skinned Wrinkle Jewess
  05/24/24
send him a check for $500 that says "for all outstandin...
Talented Soggy Space Sneaky Criminal
  05/23/24
...
Lavender haunted graveyard
  05/23/24
...
Ruddy bateful dopamine point
  05/24/24
this is why everyone wants to murder lawyers and everyone is...
Flushed principal's office
  05/23/24
lawfare is fair game
Lavender haunted graveyard
  05/23/24
...
Talented Soggy Space Sneaky Criminal
  05/23/24
...
stirring house
  05/24/24
how do you plan to respond
Exciting garnet stage
  05/23/24
you sound like a scumbag tbh. you had every opportunity to p...
chocolate native
  05/23/24
The distinguishing factor here for me is whether the "p...
Lavender haunted graveyard
  05/23/24
Quantum meruit!
sooty whorehouse community account
  05/23/24
i think if you got the benefit of the services, you should p...
Ungodly internet-worthy persian
  05/23/24
You went into the deal acting like a cool rich guy, unintere...
Slate idea he suggested hunting ground
  05/24/24
...
hairraiser clown
  05/28/24
beat his ass
Brindle Glittery Corner
  05/24/24
I would def just do a Sam Hyde here and say "come kill ...
Ebony Knife Garrison
  05/24/24
...
Slate idea he suggested hunting ground
  05/24/24
Pay the man, you odious kike.
Elite transparent genital piercing
  05/24/24
...
stirring house
  05/24/24
Anyone who likes Tim Dillon is obviously extremely Jewish.
sooty whorehouse community account
  05/24/24
180
stirring house
  05/24/24
If this is in California and he’s not licensed you don...
Hyperactive haunting address
  05/28/24
no one lives in californina you dipshit. no one has ever ev...
Razzmatazz den
  05/28/24
That's for contracting work iirc. Rather doubt it includes ...
hairraiser clown
  05/28/24
This is small claims jurisdiction. Ever been to small claim...
hairraiser clown
  05/28/24
who has ever been small claims court
Flickering senate
  05/28/24


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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:34 AM
Author: Abnormal clear national jap

I am really, really sorry about this, but I have been as flexible and forgiving as a person can be expected to be, and I haven't heard from you in over a month now.

Throughout last year, despite being told that I had "free license", I was more than communicative with regard to costs, getting approval before purchasing more expensive plant material, etc.

To-date you've paid a total of $4000 of a total of $9640.64 owed for landscape improvement services, Fence repair/painting, vegetable garden improvements, powerwashing, and landscape/garden maintenance.

If the remaining $5640.64 is not paid in full in 30 days (June 23, 2024), I'll be forced to file suit for the balance as well as interest accrued on the material purchased on credit.

Happy to send a digital invoice so you can pay by card.

If I do not receive a response to this email, I will send a hard copy via certified mail.

Thank you.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685914)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:35 AM
Author: 180 alcoholic parlour

#powergoyproblems

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685919)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:43 AM
Author: Impressive theatre partner

powergoy as hell. I expected to see dbg as the OP, not someone who gives "free license" to someone to repair fences and veggie gardens lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685938)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 12:10 PM
Author: Lavender haunted graveyard



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685955)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:36 AM
Author: appetizing cruise ship

Need more details surrounding the dispute

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685921)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:40 AM
Author: Abnormal clear national jap

He basically did not invoice me all of last summer and then hits me with a $10k bill for a bunch of shit I agreed to but he's clearly milking. The itemization on his invoice reflects that he is milking it. We also have no contract or written agreement in place.

He also sent a follow-up e-mail to that invoice indicating "I was just going to email you to tell you not to pay that, I realized there are a few things I double charged you for". He never sent an updated invoice reflecting these double charges.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685931)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:42 AM
Author: appetizing cruise ship

It’s good to nip these things in the bud (you can ask your gardener to explain this phrase) before they spiral out of control from being unsupervised for months on end

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685935)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:43 AM
Author: Abnormal clear national jap

Well I think he thinks I'm one of these people who doesn't care how much something costs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685937)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:39 AM
Author: disgusting fantasy-prone lodge

what makes you think your number is correct and his isn't?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685927)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:40 AM
Author: Flushed principal's office

also why the fuck is he paying someone all this money to garden in the first place?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685930)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:42 AM
Author: Abnormal clear national jap

He built vegetable garden beds, replaced mulch, and other stuff I had no time to do last summer and wife was very pregnant so we needed help with the garden.

He also helped with power washing my house, guest house, garage and painting/sanding/washing a large wooden fence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685936)



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Date: May 24th, 2024 12:40 PM
Author: Adventurous Parlor Juggernaut

Just pay the man. You could offer him $3500 to fuck off, but if you approved the work just pay the bill bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47688477)



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Date: May 24th, 2024 1:01 PM
Author: curious salmon orchestra pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47688511)



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Date: May 28th, 2024 4:31 PM
Author: flesh wonderful plaza son of senegal

sounds like $10k worth of work tbh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47698444)



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Date: May 28th, 2024 5:24 PM
Author: Electric nudist station hominid

At least

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47698614)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:40 AM
Author: Vigorous kitchen laser beams



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685932)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:41 AM
Author: Vigorous kitchen laser beams

did you have a contract stating scope of work and cost? if there were change orders, were they approved in writing? something is off about the op.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685933)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:44 AM
Author: Abnormal clear national jap

No contract stating scope of work. He sent a proposal which I never responded to and everything subsequent to that was communicated verbally. I did not provide him with "free license", verbally or otherwise, and asked him to send monthly invoices, which he did not.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685940)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 12:00 PM
Author: Talented Soggy Space Sneaky Criminal

if he performed under the proposal and you accepted his services under the proposal, and the proposal reflects the larger amount, you lose IMO.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685949)



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Date: May 24th, 2024 12:01 AM
Author: Charismatic talking water buffalo

It's going to be a fact issue. Proposal + silence/acceptance of benefits creates a strong estoppel argument, but the contract (if one existed) isn't subject to the statute of frauds so nothing precludes OP from introducing subsequent oral discussions/modifications.

The most realistic scenario is that whatever the fuck they discussed is void for indefiniteness/absence of key terms, and the gardner can recover in quantum meruit for the fair market value of his work (which isn't whatever the fuck the gardner says).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47687609)



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Date: May 24th, 2024 12:14 AM
Author: fear-inspiring liquid oxygen potus

gonna need an expert BIG GARDENING witness to straighten this all out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47687635)



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Date: May 24th, 2024 12:51 PM
Author: Rough-skinned Wrinkle Jewess

Why didn’t you respond to the proposal?

Did the proposal have a dollar amount on it and if so what was it?

Do you have your ignored requests for monthly invoices documented?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47688489)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:58 AM
Author: Talented Soggy Space Sneaky Criminal

send him a check for $500 that says "for all outstanding invoices/work" in the memo line. if he cashes it you win. accord and satisfaction.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685947)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 12:51 PM
Author: Lavender haunted graveyard



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685995)



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Date: May 24th, 2024 12:44 PM
Author: Ruddy bateful dopamine point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47688479)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 12:55 PM
Author: Flushed principal's office

this is why everyone wants to murder lawyers and everyone is mostly right

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47686003)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:22 PM
Author: Lavender haunted graveyard

lawfare is fair game

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47687546)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:37 PM
Author: Talented Soggy Space Sneaky Criminal



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47687574)



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Date: May 24th, 2024 12:54 PM
Author: stirring house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47688496)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 12:06 PM
Author: Exciting garnet stage

how do you plan to respond

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685950)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 12:07 PM
Author: chocolate native

you sound like a scumbag tbh. you had every opportunity to pay him for the work as it was performed, or to stop the work the moment the price became too high. you are also a scumbag for not getting a contract in place and letting this prole work on your property without expecting to face this exact scenario. are you jewish btw?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685951)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:25 PM
Author: Lavender haunted graveyard

The distinguishing factor here for me is whether the "person" he defrauded is a person in the human sense or the corporate sense. If he fucked over a small business, he's a piece of shit. If he's just being shrewd with a large contracting firm, then hey, that's the cost of doing business! That's what insurance is for!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47687557)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 12:10 PM
Author: sooty whorehouse community account

Quantum meruit!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685954)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 12:55 PM
Author: Ungodly internet-worthy persian

i think if you got the benefit of the services, you should pay even if the invoice wasn't sent on time. If the invoice is padded, that's different. Surely, you know the extent of the work he did and how much time he and his guys spent on your property.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47686009)



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Date: May 24th, 2024 4:16 AM
Author: Slate idea he suggested hunting ground

You went into the deal acting like a cool rich guy, uninterested in the finer details, and casually having another man work outdoors on your property for the entire summer, waiting until the very end to pull off your mask. There's fraud on both sides

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47687820)



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Date: May 28th, 2024 5:28 PM
Author: hairraiser clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47698627)



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Date: May 24th, 2024 4:46 AM
Author: Brindle Glittery Corner

beat his ass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47687833)



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Date: May 24th, 2024 2:50 PM
Author: Ebony Knife Garrison

I would def just do a Sam Hyde here and say "come kill me" and let him try to figure out the fact that he can try to get a lawyer, or small claims you, or whatever, but good luck ever collecting.

Get on a payment plan with some debt collector and then keep readjusting it and never actually pay more than like $5 while your gardener gets to stress over it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47688653)



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Date: May 24th, 2024 9:25 PM
Author: Slate idea he suggested hunting ground



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47689556)



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Date: May 24th, 2024 2:51 PM
Author: Elite transparent genital piercing

Pay the man, you odious kike.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47688655)



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Date: May 24th, 2024 2:59 PM
Author: stirring house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47688679)



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Date: May 24th, 2024 3:39 PM
Author: sooty whorehouse community account

Anyone who likes Tim Dillon is obviously extremely Jewish.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47688818)



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Date: May 24th, 2024 4:06 PM
Author: stirring house

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47688934)



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Date: May 28th, 2024 4:34 PM
Author: Hyperactive haunting address

If this is in California and he’s not licensed you don’t have to pay one penny, no recourse according to the B&P code.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47698453)



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Date: May 28th, 2024 5:25 PM
Author: Razzmatazz den

no one lives in californina you dipshit. no one has ever even convinced me that it actually exists.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47698617)



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Date: May 28th, 2024 5:29 PM
Author: hairraiser clown

That's for contracting work iirc. Rather doubt it includes landscaping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47698629)



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Date: May 28th, 2024 5:30 PM
Author: hairraiser clown

This is small claims jurisdiction. Ever been to small claims court? The guy will tell this to the judge, you'll say "yeah but that's too much" and the judge will say "just pay him, asshole. Judgment for plaintiff, plus court costs."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47698631)



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Date: May 28th, 2024 5:34 PM
Author: Flickering senate

who has ever been small claims court

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47698639)