Anyone who says F is wrong.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2170358&forum_id=2#22523176)

You realize it is basically impossible for a conflict to be about a certain issue when one side is willing to totally compromise on said issue in order to avoid conflict.

Slavery was merely used as a wedge issue on both sides to rile their people up (i.e. Alabama saying: der gonna take our slaves!) once it became clear conflict due to OTHER reasons was going to occur. Believing slavery was the actual issue is akin to believing that the Germans coming over and spearing babies on bayonets was the reason America entered WW1.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2170358&forum_id=2#22523245)

"do whatever you want about slaves/slavery" is different than "do whatever you want about YOUR slaves." slavery in the south, as it already existed, wasn't really the issue. what got everyone heated in the years leading up to the war was controversy over slavery in the new territories. and the southern dweebs were all upset that this would eventually threaten slavery in the south, too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2170358&forum_id=2#22523762)

In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country. It is useless to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence.

—Robert E. Lee, to Mary Anna Lee, December 27, 1856

conclusive PROOF here that the civil war was definitely not about slavery at all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2170358&forum_id=2#22523371)

The Lincoln quote is bulletproof because it shows that he was totally open to negotiation and would probably have agreed with the South on any slavery policy they wanted. THEREFORE, when they went to war it must have been about something else.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2170358&forum_id=2#22523439)

Soldiers are trained by the AWB men to use their new weapons, and ammunition is issued. Confederate morale improves considerably as the men prepare to meet Union forces in the 1864 campaign. They soon engage General Grant's men at the Battle of the Wilderness, and inflict a devastating defeat on Union forces.

The AWB establish a base in the little town of Rivington, making it into a combined fortress and arsenal. They continue to offer inexplicable information and technology to the Confederacy, even providing Lee with nitroglycerin pills, which ease his frequent chest pains. Finally, Lee questions their leader, Andries Rhoodie, who ultimately decides to tell Lee the truth. The men of AWB are time travelers from the year 2014, the 21st-century. The newcomers claim that white supremacy has not endured to the modern era, and that blacks in the future will eclipse whites. Lee is informed that unless a slave-holding South is allowed to endure into the 20th century, blacks will take over the world. A slave-owner himself, Lee is surprised by this revelation—he never thought Negroes capable of participating in government.

With the AWB's guns and some direct military aid from the time-traveling South Africans, the Army of Northern Virginia drives Ulysses Grant's forces out of Virginia and in a surprise night attack captures Washington, D.C., thus ending the Civil War. The United Kingdom and France recognize the Confederacy and President Lincoln is forced to accept Southern victory. As Confederate forces begin to end their occupation of Washington, the new country starts to determine its future social and political direction.

In negotiations between the two Americas, to which Lee is made a representative for the CSA, the United States agrees to pay millions of dollars in reparations, albeit reluctantly. The Confederacy, in turn, gives up any claim to Maryland and West Virginia. After much debate, both sides agree for Kentucky and Missouri to hold elections and determine whether they will remain in the Union or secede. Supporters, both official and unofficial, pour into both states and try to sway voters their way. Ultimately, despite an assassination attempt on Lee by a former slave and efforts at rigging elections by the Rivington men, Kentucky secedes and Missouri remains in the Union.

Confederate slaves freed during the war by Union troops violently resist returning to slavery. Lee, already dubious about slavery and respectful of the courage of the United States Colored Troops during the war, becomes convinced that continuing to enslave Negroes is both wrong and impracticable. The genie is already out of the bottle, and black guerrillas will continue to make trouble in the future. Some parts of the South had already lost many of their slaves during the war anyway. Despite threats by the Rivington men, Lee makes no effort to hide his views as he runs for president in 1867. The Rivington men convince Nathan Bedford Forrest to run against Lee on a pro-slavery ticket, and pour their considerable resources into Forrest's campaign. When Lee manages a narrow victory, Forrest respectfully concedes defeat and promises to help rally the young nation behind its new president.

At Lee's inauguration, AWB men attempt to assassinate him using Uzis, resulting in the death of Lee's wife, Mary; his vice president, Albert Gallatin Brown; various dignitaries and generals; and many civilians. The AWB offices in Richmond are seized after a fierce battle, and Lee enters the stronghold to find more technological marvels (such as light bulbs), along with a collection of books that document the increasing marginalization of racism from 1865 into the 21st century. Lee shows these books to Confederate congressmen, hoping that the future's nearly universal condemnation of slavery will convince the congressmen to vote for his plan for gradual abolition.

Confederate forces surround Rivington and after a long siege capture the town. Confederate infantry destroy the AWB's time machine during the fighting, prompting the rest to lose hope and surrender. Andries Rhoodie is killed by an enraged slave, who the Confederates, well aware of the Rivington men's cruelty and treason, spare. In Richmond, the Confederate Congress passes President Lee's abolition bill. Contemporaries have reproduced the nitroglycerin pills brought by the AWB, and Lee hopes, with their help, to live to see the effects of his plan for emancipation. Meanwhile, a few of the stranded South Africans agree to help the Confederacy replicate their 21st century technology from 2014, helping Lee to counter the Union's own replica AK-47's and greater industrial strength. Though the Union has started a war with the British Empire by invading Canada and Lee fears the Union may attempt a war of revenge against the CSA in the future, he rests assured that the CSA will remain the most technologically-advanced nation in the world for many decades to come.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2170358&forum_id=2#22523203)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2170358&forum_id=2#22523300)

Southerners started the war because a) they're idiots, and b) they thought their sovereignty was threatened by the North.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2170358&forum_id=2#22523552)

Like I said, cognitive dissonance is a staple of Southern culture. You cannot rally for freedom around your supposed right to enslave people. It just doesn't work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2170358&forum_id=2#22523769)

the fact that there were no real civil rights that came from the war and the abolishment of slavery should show you that the north couldn't give two shits about the well being of slaves.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2170358&forum_id=2#22523312)

as long as the south agreed to be good little boys and accept northern industrial dominance, the "union" was saved and no one really cared about the black doods trying to run farms.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2170358&forum_id=2#22523372)

Only retards say F and try to act smart. These people also use words like "proactive" and "paradigm"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2170358&forum_id=2#22523331)

Or should I leave you alone with your "I'm going to assume it was about slavery and then back into state's rights in two different ways to show how to was still about slavery" logical masterpiece.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2170358&forum_id=2#22523481)

The South seceded because of slavery. The north did not invade because of slavery. True or false depends on your interpretation of which act started the war.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2170358&forum_id=2#22523485)

All that economic revisionism is still based on slavery.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2170358&forum_id=2#22523500)

This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety.

On the 4th day of March next, this party will take possession of the Government. It has announced that the South shall be excluded from the common territory, that the judicial tribunals shall be made sectional, and that a war must be waged against slavery until it shall cease throughout the United States.

The guaranties of the Constitution will then no longer exist; the equal rights of the States will be lost. The slaveholding States will no longer have the power of self-government, or self-protection, and the Federal Government will have become their enemy.

Sectional interest and animosity will deepen the irritation, and all hope of remedy is rendered vain, by the fact that public opinion at the North has invested a great political error with the sanction of more erroneous religious belief.

We, therefore, the People of South Carolina, by our delegates in Convention assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, have solemnly declared that the Union heretofore existing between this State and the other States of North America, is dissolved, and that the State of South Carolina has resumed her position among the nations of the world, as a separate and independent State; with full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent States may of right do."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2170358&forum_id=2#22523530)

especially the civil war and ww2 because those were the "good" wars.

i'm pretty certain northern industrialists and politicians made out like bandits as a result of the war, either garnering lucrative contracts or getting to send a bunch of surplus micks to go die on bloody battlefields.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2170358&forum_id=2#22523558)

it's, like, part of the human condition maaaahhhn.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2170358&forum_id=2#22523689)

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5467300&mc=4&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2170358&forum_id=2#47225472)