Date: July 27th, 2022 5:00 PM Author: crusty glittery ladyboy hissy fit
Shagrat Industries LLC, d/b/a Shagrat Orcs & Company, a wholly owned subsidiary of Saruman Oak Tree Investing Group IV, has announced its support of a 7 pm "peaceful protest." Joshua David Shagrat, CFO, has announced that the entity will provide "all necessary funding" for such an event and has already complied with permitting.
Date: July 28th, 2022 9:33 AM Author: crusty glittery ladyboy hissy fit
Rivendell College, a formerly elves-only LAC that began admitting orcs in 1693, has become ground zero of the tempest, as the school recently initiated a Barad-dur Studies requirement for all first-year students and ended legacy admissions for the Children of Iluvatar.
The orcs are the nazis, though. Elves are Swedes/nordics, hobbits are English obvs, men are French, dwarves are Jews. Eagles are Americans. Wolves are Italians maybe. Japs are goblins? I don’t know it breaks down eventually, but it’s a WW2 allegory for sure.
Date: July 28th, 2022 9:17 PM Author: purple greedy state therapy
My heart, soul, and mind are currently in this blissful state after reading your poast (and this truly incredible thread, for that matter), so it might be a while before my (Gondorian Retriever) brain returns to pure scholarship:
Date: July 28th, 2022 10:22 PM Author: purple greedy state therapy
This reminds me of a great point Lewis made in Preface to Paradise Lost (and Chesterton also frequently referred to as well), that people before the fall were not less civilized - some kind of "noble savage" thing that "we" in the modern "West" project with our post-Christian mental and spiritual illness - but actually MORE civilized:
Adam and Eve were stately royalty who were basically a Disney prince and princess, in the sense of being stewards of the happy and tame animals flocking to them and enjoying the relaxed environment.
Date: July 28th, 2022 10:24 PM Author: purple greedy state therapy
And a random thing I said in another thread that adds to this gorgeous convo:
"I think Lewis was on to something when he said that, deep down, all wild animals long to live in a tranquil Garden of Eden 2.0 with gentle and gracious people, stewards of all things bright and beautiful - because that's where they started, after all, before original sin caused everything and everyone to become wild and confused."
Date: July 28th, 2022 11:30 PM Author: purple greedy state therapy
If that's not a window into Heaven, a preview of the Life in Technicolor beyond the Shadowlands of our Earthly womb, I don't know what is, my brother...
Date: July 28th, 2022 11:33 PM Author: purple greedy state therapy
As Lewis said, Heaven is the place where - because of our purified soul and resurrected body - we will all really see, really hear, really smell, really taste, really touch, really feel for the first time: everything within the womb has just been a little glimpse of the big picture.
Date: July 28th, 2022 11:52 PM Author: purple greedy state therapy
And one last thing from Lewis that is very relevant here, is his observation in The Discarded Image (discussing the best of Greek, Roman, and Biblical traditions AKA Christendom), that all of our European ancestors viewed Planet Earth as a little insignificant place in a material sense, where our souls are garrisoned in order to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Christianity is not a novel worldview, Lewis and Chesterton insist: it is the fulfillment (as you and I have discussed many times) of the pagan hopes, meaning that all the pagan understandings of a mysterious unknown God - an intuition shared by virtually all people historically, Chesterton notes in The Everlasting Man - a Heavenly realm beyond space and time that may or may not be accessible to mere mortals, and the obviously fallen and sinful state of humanity in desperate need of someone or something beyond us:
Christianity didn't invent any of those things: rather, God descended into our Earthly snowglobe - the playwright walking onto the stage, or the author becoming a character in his own story, as Peter Kreeft likes to say - in order to reconcile the long-lamented (by many different nations and cultures) estrangement of Heaven and Earth (the Fall - another thing that all people dimly remember, Chesterton points out!).
So Our Blessed Lord - the Mind of God Incarnate, the exact same substance as the Creator of space and time - UNLOCKED the gates of Paradise for us, and as George Macdonald and C.S. Lewis said: The Son of God did not die merely to save us from the punishment for our sins, because that's up to us whether we want to obey the Logos or not. (Hell is locked from the inside, the product of inveterate defiance, as Lewis discovered in his Great Divorce vision.)
The real point of Jesus's Passion, these wise and wonderful sheepdogs reminds us, is to save us FROM SIN ITSELF. It's one thing to be justified, eligible to go to Heaven. But the even more important thing, as Peter Kreeft says, is to become SANCTIFIED - that is, free from sin, the festering thorn removed from our paw, Lewis said... the heart surgery we all need and must surrender to, Kreeft reminds us: the final purgatorial purification.
After all, if you're invited to the Eternal EPCOT Victory Banquet, the endless Heavenly story perfectly fulfilling our deepest desires of pure home and pure adventure, as Kreeft predicts - wouldn't anyone courteous want to get all nice and cleaned up before walking through the door?
Christianity is not a novel worldview, Lewis and Chesterton insist: it is the fulfillment (as you and I have discussed many times) of the pagan hopes, meaning that all the pagan understandings of a mysterious unknown God - an intuition shared by virtually all people historically, Chesterton notes in The Everlasting Man - a Heavenly realm beyond space and time that may or may not be accessible to mere mortals, and the obviously fallen and sinful state of humanity in desperate need of someone or something beyond us:
Christianity didn't invent any of those things: rather, God descended into our Earthly snowglobe - the playwright walking onto the stage, or the author becoming a character in his own story, as Peter Kreeft likes to say - in order to reconcile the long-lamented (by many different nations and cultures) estrangement of Heaven and Earth (the Fall - another thing that all people dimly remember, Chesterton points out!).
Date: July 28th, 2022 8:40 PM Author: purple greedy state therapy
"Tom Bombadil is himself and no one else"
Being compared to Mr. Bombadil by Pumonymous was one of the greatest moments of my life (and next time one of my family or friends gets a female golden retriever, I'm going to recommend the name Goldberry).
Goldberry is the perfect name and association, at least very hard to top. like to play with the canon characters sometimes. imagine her a Mary Magdalene archetype living at one time as Goldberg and reborn Goldberry.
Date: July 28th, 2022 10:39 PM Author: purple greedy state therapy
"Goldberry is the perfect name and association, at least very hard to top."
!!!
"imagine her a Mary Magdalene archetype living at one time as Goldberg and reborn Goldberry."
And LMAO, this is perfect, especially because I've known a few Amanda Milius types IRL who went from a dissolute and/or defiant existence and/or pedigree, to becoming absolute uncompromising defenders of everything true and beautiful.
Date: July 28th, 2022 8:42 PM Author: purple greedy state therapy
"Gondor is the late HRE, Protestant Europe (Byzantine in other ages)"
I can't remember which thread it was, but I remember a history buff poaster made the point that there are military events in Lord of the Rings which are directly lifted from classic moments in the history of Christendom.
I screwed up with my first gf in middle school, she read Tolkien, wore the One Ring necklace, cried when Boromir died when my parents took us to see the Fellowship. why the hell would I read that when I had a perfectly good ps2 and paintball gun. you know what my "Christian" school had us read instead of the Iliad? Holes.
Date: July 28th, 2022 8:58 PM Author: purple greedy state therapy
LMAO. Talk about separated at birth. I also had a super wholesome girlfriend in junior high whom I took for granted. According to my "brain" (LMAO) at the time, I couldn't be with her and have time for playing baseball at the park with friends, etc. - even though she was one of the ultra-feminine types that loved cheering on the sidelines by day, watching movies together by night, etc.
(As shocking as it might sound to anyone familiar with my poasting, I'm gay and retarded btw.)
But thankfully it all worked out for the best, because later in our teenage years I helped get her back on track to her childhood conservaheroine Catholic outlook, so thank Jesus (literally) for that.
Date: July 28th, 2022 9:09 PM Author: purple greedy state therapy
Also:
'you know what my "Christian" school had us read instead of the Iliad? Holes.'
LJL, and so sadly representative. As our guy Lewis said, Christendom is the unprecedented lightning-in-a-bottle (or message in a bottle, Walker Percy would say!) combination of the best of Greece, Rome, and Jerusalem (way, way back in time when Jerusalem and what it stood for was actually a respectable thing, hilarious as that sounds today). God's self-revelation to man...
So in that vein, it's crazy to think that my private prep school upbringing - thankfully grew up in a chill lib environment where people liked white Christian civilization, but were simply naive about the "Live and let live" camel's nose rhetoric of the left; and it's easy to believe in the rainbow utopia when you're around 95% old money whites and 5% non-whites with royal phenotypes - naturally this environment also failed to include any real historical context for the epic European story.
We read the Odyssey and watched the movie Troy, but there was no mention of the Aeneid, and everything between Greece and the Renaissance was simply "the Dark Ages." So thank Jesus (again quite literally) that I had an old-fashioned grandmother who was sure to introduce her grandchildren to beautiful Western traditions (hence Redwall and Narnia at a young age!).
Date: July 28th, 2022 8:50 PM Author: purple greedy state therapy
"The One Ring is international jewry, the ring of gyges"
This is another great point, which reminds me of what Chesterton and Hilaire Belloc frequently said, that Jews who are transparent about being Jewish are often wonderful people, but you must always be on your guard against Jews LARPing as Europeans (or anyone else for that matter - "Mark Zuckerberg's" children will be "Hello, fellow Chinese!").
Similarly, C.S. Lewis lamented the bizarre modern trend of "Hottentots" LARPing as Europeans, because non-Europeans being viewed as European never occurred before 1945 (beginning The War on Sanity). "Barbarian" simply meant uncivilized and/or non-Christian European, Lewis reminds us.
And we can never forget, though of course certain (((people))) try to obscure this, that Tolkien didn't dislike Germany or Germans: he specifically disliked Adolf (the dictator, not the XO poaster) for not respecting white Christian civilization and its sacred traditions ENOUGH. It's the same reason Tolkien wrote to his son that many loyal English patriots, like himself, were terrified of victorious "American cosmopolitanism."