Is this so the family can sit together?

How old is the kid?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48739735)

the mother attempting to make a single person in a window or aisle give up his seat for a middle is retarded.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48739892)

It's impossible if middle seat is strictly least preferred by all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48739960)

but yeah, that's a possibility.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48739967)

If it was like a 3-year-old, then sure.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48740271)

If the kid is 5 or less maybe depending on how long the flight is and the people sitting next to the kid in the aisle/window (are they fat? smelly?) out of sheer empathy. But even here you wouldnt have do it. Families can book earlier or pay more to sit together.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48739762)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48739840)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48739942)

can you not imagine a scenario where maybe their flight was cancelled or they had a missed connection or something?

they may be retarded, or they may be innocent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48739915)

YOU-Kid-Window

in the row in front of you:

AISLE-MOM-WINDOW

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48739870)

Hey—at least you’re all ugly pedophiles!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48739969)

People say no because they dislike the entitlement of the parent. If nothing is offered and the mom doesn’t say it was her fault, I’m saying “no” as well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48740057)

The point is that the parent needs to show genuine contrition and offer cash so they don’t seem entitled.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48740101)

But my kids were at least 7 years old, able to be self-sufficient, and just sat in their assigned seats, we didn't ask anyone to move.

Airlines could easily solve this problem by first, just not letting you book seats in a configuration where children under some age (like 8 or so) are isolated.

And if they have to rebook you due to a cancellation or delay, they should not be able to seat the young kids alone, and should have to just bump other passengers into middle seats (with compensation) if needed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48740284)

your poast correctly recognizes that this may not have been the mom's fault, that pax reasonably cant be expected to move to middle seats, and that the airline should deal with this.

amazing how xo is full of morons who cant deal with nuance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48740306)

the person in my seat (ie me) should deal with the FA and not the mom. I should be given some sort of compensation if forced to move so that the minor can sit with the adult thorugh no fault of my own.

And we all are aware that I most likely had to pay in some form for the seat that I chose.

Someone has to eat some shit here and it shouldnt be me who was inconveniently seated next to someone, in the best case scenario, who was rebooked.

I also agree with person above though that most of the resentment comes from the sense of entitlement. I'd be way more likely to move if the mom just offered me $100 even if I didn't take it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48740465)

You would just be informed by text message: "Your seat has been changed to 34B. Here is a refund of whatever extra you paid to have an aisle seat, plus a $20 credit and free drinks and snacks and wifi. Have a nice day!".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48740763)

yeah, airlines *never* fuck up on seating and shit!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48740501)

i think 90% of the people saying "no fuck her" are CHUNG+ types who wilt like a lily to 100% of social confrontations.

you'd certainly be in the right to say no, however.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48740508)

the hypo is a NYC to LA flight. how often is that flight a leg from a different journey? how often is this a flight where people are connecting or didn't have the opportunity to pay for seats to begin with? even if she is on this flight because her intended flight got fucked for some reason she still could have gone to the gate agent and said "um hi can you make sure i'm sitting with my kid?" which would be easy since presumably many other people would have be rescheduled to that flight too.

by the hypo that you created it is very unlikely she could have wound up in this situation without any opportunity to mitigate it thus as i said 99% chance it's the birdbrains fault. die you faggot pumo die.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48740550)

fuck domestic and all low-cost airlines man. they are all fucking trash. this would never happen on an emirates flight.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48740561)

most of this time it will be the parents fault. ultimately you are responsible for your kids including the dumb bullshit gc airlines make you deal with. but nothing in my OP had anything to do the airline's culpability versus the parent's.

my answer was essentially "yeah i would switch, the birdbrain probably fucked up but it's the right thing to do and sitting next to an irate shrew isn't worth the aisle seat in any case." whether or not she actually fucked up isn't anything i thought about it was just this pumo's unstated hidden agenda in this hypo. but "whose fault" it was never crossed my mind. it's certainly not the kid's fault, and a 10 year old should sit next to a parent instead of two strangers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48740589)

like, if you were queueing up for a train, and some pregnant lady waddled on as it was leaving, would you give up your seat? it is certainly her "fault" for getting to the train late or choosing not to wait for the next one. but if you're not giving up your seat as an able bodied man you're an asshole.

it used to be that these sorts of social niceties towards women and children were expected. if the uss xoxo titanic was going down everyone here would be debating the pareto optimization of women and children first.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48740642)

of course he crafted this hypo taking for granted that everyone would base their analysis on who is "at fault" rather than "it's just the right thing to do." especially when there's an innocent kid involved who cannot be at fault in the first place. this is the product of a diseased mind. it's insane they think this way, and stunning that they assume everyone else does.

even if the entire world was immoral fags it's right to be moral. good on you for trying to teach your kids this despite the modern hellworld they were born in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48740702)

ur such a dumb reddittard with your edge case bullshit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48740563)

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&mc=117&forum_id=2#48740663

the fact your first thought is "is it possible i get someone else to cave" is fucking insane.

a person with a healthy brain and morality would be thinking "which one of us would suffer the least inconvenience in doing the right thing?" if a was 6'5 disco fries fatass and the other middlecuck was a twink i might suggest that he be the one to switch. that's it.

lmfao that this is how you live your life. viewing every social interaction through a lens of "how can i get an advantage here?" jfc. absolutely demonic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48741120)

middlecuck: "it's alright dude, i'll move"

dbg internally "heh the bigger assholes wins sometimes."

everyone else on the airplane: "what a fucking kike."

if you ever wonder why antisemitism is so ubiquitous this is why. hth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48741292)

here's a hypo for you: what if you noticed that the woman in the middle seat next to you was a woman and her child was seated in the other middle seat. would you *volunteer* to switch?

obviously not, as you can only see this situation through the lens of "how can i avoid an inconvenience?" instead of "should i do the right thing?"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48741464)

I’d move to another window or aisle seat but can’t really fit in the middle.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48741525)

Why does this make some posters SO ANGRY?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48741614)

2) willingness to accept a personal sacrifice for a net social good is the essence of a polite, high-trust society. thus the fact some people cannot conceive why someone would be inclined to sacrifice for a stranger is frustrating for people that like living in one.

this hypo is a good one because the cost is high and the net gain is middling, so the CBA is debatable relative to something like stopping to pick an elderly woman who fell. but the frustration you see itt is about those who missed the point completely and thus demonstrated how antisocial they are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48741712)

mitigating these things is a net social good.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48741723)

you must agree that a child and mother being seated together is a social good. if someone was creating the seating from scratch, they would sit the mother and child together, so clearly *some* other passenger having the middle seat is the baseline for optimal social good here.

in either case some adult is experiencing the discomfort of the middle seat. but only in one is the kid and mother together. therefore it is always a net social good. the question presented in this hypothetical is whether you would endure the personal sacrifice to achieve it.

in your example there are other considerations, like whether the rich person would use it more effectively or the poor person waste it. that's not present here. unless you add it something like "well i'm 6'8 and obese." for the purposes of discussing the social value of this i think we have to assume both you and the mother would experience about the same physical discomfort of having the middle seat. otherwise the discussion is pointless because the answer is obvious.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48741794)

I have no idea what you mean by social good, unless you just mean aggregate utility maximizing. If you think people should swap airline seats on request in order to maximize aggregate utility, I don't see why that should be the guiding principle with respect to airline seats when it certainly isn't anywhere else.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48741831)

most of the things you're taking issue with is the "net" part. if we assume both you and mother have the same physical cost of sitting in the middle seat, then it's clearly a net social good and i explained why.

everything you're taking issue with is whether the personal sacrifice of achieving the net social good is worthwhile. and as i said from the outset that's debatable.

if an old woman fall on the street it's a net social good for you to pick her up. if a train is going to run over two people or you it's a net social good for it to run over you. but most wouldn't select a train to hit themself than two strangers. this hypo is about whether whether this particular level of personal sacrifice is something one would take to achieve the net social good.

but it's obvious that it *is* a net social good. but that doesn't mean it's clear a person should do it, anymore than it's clear you should die so two strangers should live.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5692983&forum_id=2#48741874)