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ITT : I translate The Iliad from uncensored Greek

Let me know first if you want to see it so I don’t was...
fluid
  01/10/25
Uncensored?
tasteful thickness of luis
  01/10/25
Translations out there are sanitized to make them palatable ...
fluid
  01/10/25
Yeah sure, do the first stanza Or any other passage you f...
tasteful thickness of luis
  01/10/25
Sing, O goddess, the wrath—no, the cosmic menace&mdash...
fluid
  01/10/25
...
scholarship
  01/10/25
I used the Indo European root for Menis even though etymolog...
fluid
  01/10/25
...
Kenneth Play
  01/10/25
Off the top of my head I think both mental and menace in En...
fluid
  01/11/25
first time i've ever wanted to hang out with a poaster IRL
Greetings
  01/11/25
Is that the real Greetings? You are still here? Whoah&hell...
fluid
  01/11/25
Greetings, It's me. I'm still here (more here post-electi...
Greetings
  01/11/25
...
tasteful thickness of luis
  01/10/25
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butt cheeks
  01/10/25
180 Moar
tasteful thickness of luis
  01/10/25
So he spoke, and the old man, trembling with fear, obeyed. ...
fluid
  01/10/25
i really enjoyed that. it didn't shy away from the brutality...
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
  01/10/25
Notice the word “ruinous” even finds its spotlig...
fluid
  01/10/25
...
Kenneth Play
  01/10/25
Yes pls
Rabbi Shmuley using his daughter's lube
  01/10/25
Good to see you are still here friend
fluid
  01/10/25
idk what translation I read when I was much younger but what...
hank_scorpio
  01/10/25
Likely not dark and edgy and raw enough. The Greek holds no...
fluid
  01/10/25
lots of stabbing then
hank_scorpio
  01/10/25
Also a lot of the spirituality gets flattened - parts about ...
fluid
  01/10/25
must have been a lot of bitch ass seers, nice work if you ca...
hank_scorpio
  01/10/25
The ones that slaughter animals and have to try to “re...
fluid
  01/11/25
btw the gods want to look at the steaks later
hank_scorpio
  01/11/25
...
fluid
  01/11/25
do you have a favorite translation of it? or they're all to...
Kenneth Play
  01/10/25
Murray, Rieu, Rouse, Chapman, Lattimore - these all have the...
fluid
  01/11/25
Do you think people would pay for me to do the whole thing? ...
fluid
  01/11/25
excuse me sir, are you a badly tatted genderfluid lesbian? ...
hank_scorpio
  01/11/25
Can you do the first standoff between Agamemnon and Achilles...
Adrian Dittman
  01/11/25


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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:04 PM
Author: fluid

Let me know first if you want to see it so I don’t waste my time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541794)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:05 PM
Author: tasteful thickness of luis

Uncensored?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541797)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:06 PM
Author: fluid

Translations out there are sanitized to make them palatable for a modern audience

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541799)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:06 PM
Author: tasteful thickness of luis

Yeah sure, do the first stanza

Or any other passage you feel particularly highlights the advantages/differences of your technique compared to the sanitized translations

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541804)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:10 PM
Author: fluid

Sing, O goddess, the wrath—no, the cosmic menace—of Achilles, son of Peleus,

That wrath which became the direful spring of endless woes for the Greeks,

Hurling countless mighty souls untimely into the shadowy depths of Hades,

Their bodies left unburied, torn apart by ravenous dogs and vultures—

Such was the will of Zeus, the all-encompassing sovereign, fulfilled in its dreadful decree.

Declare, O Muse, what cursed moment gave birth to this ruinous strife?

What god’s fury brought the Greeks such calamity,

When Apollo, son of Zeus and Latona, unleashed a deadly plague,

Stacking the Achaean camp with mountains of the dead?

It began when the lord of men, Agamemnon, defied Apollo’s priest—

An offense of hubris for which the people paid in blood.

For Chryses, priest of Apollo, had come bearing priceless gifts,

Begging for the release of his captive daughter.

With his hands adorned by Apollo’s sacred signs—

The golden scepter and laurel crown—he stood before the Achaeans,

A father in anguish, speaking words of supplication:

“Great kings, warriors of bronze and glory,

May the gods grant you victory and Troy’s walls leveled to the ground.

May Zeus restore you to the pleasures of your homes,

Safe across the wine-dark sea.

But grant me this: release my beloved child, Chryseïs.

Accept this ransom, and honor Apollo, son of Zeus.

Do not provoke the god whose arrows never miss their mark.”

The Achaeans roared their approval, their voices joined as one:

Honor the priest, release the captive, accept the ransom.

But not so Agamemnon, king of men.

His pride, boundless and insolent, rejected the plea.

And with a darkened heart, he spoke:

“Old man, be gone from my sight.

Do not linger here, testing my patience.

Do not bring your laurel crown, nor your golden staff,

Thinking to sway me with these signs of your god.

The bitch is mine, and she will remain mine.

Not your prayers, nor your tears, nor all the gold in your coffers

Will take her from me.

She will grow old in my house, far from her homeland,

Spending her days at the loom,

And her nights on my bed, where she will serve me as she must.

Now leave these shores while you still have breath in your lungs.

Do not return, or the sacred signs of your Apollo

Will not save you from what my hands will bring.”



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541818)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:10 PM
Author: scholarship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541822)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:20 PM
Author: fluid

I used the Indo European root for Menis even though etymology scholarship has not yet made the connection but to me it’s obvious there are echoes of PIE in Greek especially the older dialects and my genetic simulations show non stop exchange between The Aeolian, Anatolia and The Steppe, plus Iliad has echoes of Steppe culture with Chariots showing up after their time. So for me it’s obvious Menis isn’t just rage but is the power of a man’s mind influencing the cosmos like a God

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541857)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:52 PM
Author: Kenneth Play



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541945)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 12:04 AM
Author: fluid

Off the top of my head I think both mental and menace in English have been connected to the PIE root version which can imply a rage so strong it allows man to alter the cosmos through sheer force of his mind - which although both the Greek and Latin versions of this word have never been officially connected to PIE - to me it’s obvious that’s the type of rage happening in Achilles. Achilles throughout is often treated in ways that blur the lines between man and god

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541968)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 12:12 AM
Author: Greetings

first time i've ever wanted to hang out with a poaster IRL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541987)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 12:19 AM
Author: fluid

Is that the real Greetings? You are still here? Whoah….

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48542010)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 12:44 AM
Author: Greetings

Greetings,

It's me. I'm still here (more here post-election than I was the past few years) much to everyone's chagrin.

I've taken up bookbinding as a hobby, and binding a unique translation of the Iliad would be 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48542045)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:15 PM
Author: tasteful thickness of luis



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541840)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:15 PM
Author: butt cheeks (✅🍑)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541842)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:18 PM
Author: tasteful thickness of luis

180

Moar

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541851)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:35 PM
Author: fluid

So he spoke, and the old man, trembling with fear, obeyed.

He walked silently along the shore of the loud-roaring sea,

And when far from the ships,

He lifted his hands and prayed to Apollo,

Son of fair-haired Leto:

“Hear me, O Silver-Bowed One,

You who stride around Chryse and sacred Cilla,

Who rule mightily over Tenedos!

Smintheus, if ever I built for you a pleasing temple,

Or burned rich thighs of bulls and goats,

Fulfill this prayer for me:

Let the Danaans pay for my tears with your arrows!”

So he prayed, and Phoebus Apollo heard him.

From the peaks of Olympus he came,

His heart burning with wrath.

Across his shoulders hung his bow

And his quiver filled with arrows.

As he moved, the arrows rattled in their case,

And his coming was like the night.

He sat apart from the ships and loosed a shaft;

The silver bow sang a terrible cry.

First he struck the mules and the swift dogs,

But soon his arrows found the men themselves.

Pyres of the dead burned thick and constant.

For nine days the god’s arrows rained death upon them,

And on the tenth, Achilles called an assembly,

For white-armed Hera had placed it in his heart.

She grieved to see the Danaans perish.

When all were gathered, swift-footed Achilles stood and spoke:

“Son of Atreus, I see no course but to return home,

If we can escape death at all,

For war and plague together are crushing the Achaeans.

But let us now ask some seer or priest

Or dream-reader, for dreams too come from Zeus.

Let him declare why Phoebus Apollo rages,

Whether he blames a vow unfulfilled or a slaughtered offering,

And if by smoke of lambs or goats

We might appease the god and turn aside this ruin.”

So he spoke and sat down. Then rose Calchas,

Son of Thestor, best of bird-seers,

Who knew all things that are, will be, and were before.

By his prophetic skill, a gift of Apollo,

He led the ships of the Achaeans to Ilium

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541896)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:39 PM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


i really enjoyed that. it didn't shy away from the brutality at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541915)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:44 PM
Author: fluid

Notice the word “ruinous” even finds its spotlight here. Coincidence?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541927)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:54 PM
Author: Kenneth Play



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541950)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:06 PM
Author: Rabbi Shmuley using his daughter's lube ((zurich is stained))

Yes pls

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541802)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:13 PM
Author: fluid

Good to see you are still here friend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541832)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:39 PM
Author: hank_scorpio

idk what translation I read when I was much younger but whatever it was, what do you believe was wrong with it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541918)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:45 PM
Author: fluid

Likely not dark and edgy and raw enough. The Greek holds nothing back.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541933)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:47 PM
Author: hank_scorpio

lots of stabbing then

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541938)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:54 PM
Author: fluid

Also a lot of the spirituality gets flattened - parts about seers priests bards prophets etc. a lot of that stuff gets translated in ways that erase the chill mysticism in the original

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541952)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:56 PM
Author: hank_scorpio

must have been a lot of bitch ass seers, nice work if you can get it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541955)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 12:07 AM
Author: fluid

The ones that slaughter animals and have to try to “read” whether the gods accepted the sacrifice seems like a chill gig

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541974)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 12:31 AM
Author: hank_scorpio

btw the gods want to look at the steaks later

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48542032)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 12:33 AM
Author: fluid



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48542036)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:54 PM
Author: Kenneth Play

do you have a favorite translation of it? or they're all too sanitized?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541953)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 12:13 AM
Author: fluid

Murray, Rieu, Rouse, Chapman, Lattimore - these all have their strengths. I would go with Murray or Chapman. Chapman certainly is the best for Grandeur but he often takes Elizabethan poetic liberties that aren’t Greek

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541990)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 12:36 AM
Author: fluid

Do you think people would pay for me to do the whole thing? Seems like we are in need of a translation other than the corporate-academic slop that comes out these days like Karen’s new Odyssey that translates polytropos as “complicated”.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48542038)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 1:09 AM
Author: hank_scorpio

excuse me sir, are you a badly tatted genderfluid lesbian? then I think not

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48542085)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 1:31 AM
Author: Adrian Dittman

Can you do the first standoff between Agamemnon and Achilles?

And where Thersites gets the shit beaten out of him by Odysseus?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48542117)