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This is the lowest point for conservatives since Goldwater 1964
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Date: June 18th, 2020 5:20 PM Author: Cocky black woman Before the pandemic, Trump was riding high. Economy was gangbusters, he was confident, conservatives were pumped, Dems were pissed about Biden.
Then, China fucked everything up. Pandemic>lockdowns>bad economy>people pissed and needing to vent>riots>BLM going crazy>cultural revolution.
What makes conservatives furious is not those events themselves per se but Trump's utter weakness and incompetence. During the pandemic, Trump delegated to Fauci and Birx and did not fight against the narrative using actual data that showed that the doomsday models were wildly off base. With riots, the Left is super emboldened because Trump let them run bukwild in the cities and just tweeted "LAW AND ORDER." While big tech is engaging in censorship, blacks are attacking whites, lawlessness everywhere, Trump just sits around and tweets. No action. Many conservative activists are resigned to Trump losing re-election and are looking forward to 2024 to nominate Hawley/DeSantis/Cotton.
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Date: June 18th, 2020 5:21 PM Author: Gold Rehab National Security Agency Do we need to go full blown reactionary race war? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564113&forum_id=2#40444959) |
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Date: June 18th, 2020 5:22 PM Author: Heady therapy coldplay fan the conservative establishment is doing exactly what it wants...the conservatives WANT this...a gop president STARTED racial preferences...why on earth would whites support a political philosophy that sells them out? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564113&forum_id=2#40444966) |
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Date: June 18th, 2020 5:23 PM Author: Onyx fragrant theatre (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564113&forum_id=2#40444970) |
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Date: June 18th, 2020 5:26 PM Author: poppy narrow-minded state the seismic undertow of rapidly increasing white racial consciousness, loss of ALL media/institutional credibility, etc, makes it utterly different. 2020's just not comparable to 1964 because it's a completely different country/dynamic/demographic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564113&forum_id=2#40444984) |
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Date: June 18th, 2020 5:43 PM Author: Cocky black woman Are you arguing that this is good for Trump and the GOP? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564113&forum_id=2#40445081) |
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Date: June 18th, 2020 6:48 PM Author: Yapping spot Who gives a fuck about Trump and the GOP. They are merely tools and we dont have any inherent loyalty to either.
Sometimes it takes hitting rock bottom before you take action.
Fwiw, I dont think were rock bottom yet. Thats going to come around mid 2021 after weve had 100 days of a Biden WH and Dem controlled Senate. |
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Date: June 18th, 2020 7:04 PM Author: spruce preventive strike indian lodge 20 year outlook here aint great. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564113&forum_id=2#40445561) |
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Date: June 18th, 2020 7:05 PM Author: Yapping spot There will be a black swan even sometime in the next decade that is going to shake up the battle lines. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564113&forum_id=2#40445571) |
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Date: June 18th, 2020 7:34 PM Author: spruce preventive strike indian lodge Eventually there will be an awakening of sorts, but life is far too comfortable for that now. As far as the US, I expect less national unity moving forward. Issues I was comfortable paying taxes for largely outweighed those I wasn't (pub safety vs diversity programs). That's ratio is dwindling. Productive men pay a shit ton of taxes for all of this frivolous lib bullshit. Fuck them. I certainly wouldn't sacrifice a son to POTUS Kamala to preserve are country. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564113&forum_id=2#40445753) |
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Date: June 18th, 2020 6:05 PM Author: rusted exciting multi-billionaire Ive seen no evidence that white racial consciousness is increasing. Trump is barely beating Biden among whites (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564113&forum_id=2#40445177) |
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Date: June 18th, 2020 7:29 PM Author: Big-titted Chest-beating Pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564113&forum_id=2#40445722) |
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Date: June 18th, 2020 5:50 PM Author: adulterous supple native it is pretty amazing. In late January 2020, after Trump survived impeachment (or was it early Feb?), libs were literally crying that Trump had TOO MUCH POWER, that he was invincible, that Biden would be crushed, etc. There were actual articles on CNN, Wapo, etc crying about this.
The Covid stuff (China's fault) utterly fucked the economy and also Trump, no one could have handled this well, and then the BLM shit and riots (a lot of which was very probably pre planned with FLoyd death as the trigger event) wasn't handled well by Trump. Honestly he should have sent in the military all over the country to stop the riots before day 3.
Continuing riots somehow increased public sympathy to BLM, and now look at what is going on all over the place.
I shudder to think of what the powers that be have in plan "next" to take out Trump. |
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Date: June 18th, 2020 6:38 PM Author: Cocky black woman There are 2 schools of thought within conservatives about the riot response. One is the view shared by you and I, that Trump should have used the military to crush the riots because not doing so has emboldened the Left. The second is the view that using the military was a trap and that killing Americans would have crushed Trump with the electorate. It's not a bad argument per se, but I don't quite buy it. There is no "ideal" outcome here. You either let cities burn and the Left goes nuts, or you use the military and maybe some rioters get killed or badly hurt, but the Left is scared for its life and lay low for a bit. The media will attack Trump either way, so it's best to use force early on. It's probably too late now to use the military because the protests and riots are too wide spread. It's also dumb when conservatives say that this helps Trump because it shows how messed up the Dem cities are. People will blame the incumbent President for chaos. And even if they don't vote Biden, they certainly don't blame Biden for this and will not turn out to vote Trump. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564113&forum_id=2#40445390) |
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Date: June 18th, 2020 6:00 PM Author: sickened glittery cuck lol shut the fuck up JJC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564113&forum_id=2#40445156) |
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Date: June 18th, 2020 6:43 PM Author: Crimson marketing idea Lowest point for Democrats since post civil war (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564113&forum_id=2#40445426) |
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Date: June 18th, 2020 6:48 PM Author: Fear-inspiring Insanely Creepy Chapel Puppy the only correct analysis is this:
winning POTUS elections doesnt matter if the society moves left demographically and also culturally (white libs)
so unless conservatives address this it really doesnt matter if we win 2020 election or not or if GOP POTUS is Trump or Cotton. thats merely barely slowing down the "progress" towards total power for libs
lets say in a hypothetical scenario trump dropped out of reelection in 2019 and the GOP ticket for 2020 is cotton/hawley and they win the election and have senate with say 53 senators. dems control the house. still zero conservative legislation will be passed on immigration, free speech, 2nd amendment, disparate impact etc
nothing underlying will change. overton window will continue to shrink, SJWs will cancel even more ppl, corporations will become even more SJW etc etc
trump has already done whatever he could through executive action on immigration (remain in mexico, refugee cap, cancel DACA) and censorship etc
at this point focusing on more polished, more intellectual conservatives who are not narcissistic buffoons like trump doesn't mean shit if country is turning more and more blue due to demographics and elites/media/college brainwashing, building self-hatred by guilt tripping people on past injustices
i havent yet seen an answer for this within the "democratic framework". ppl like askav have different solutions but if you are talking about existing democratic/constitutional framework i dont think hawley/cotton vs trump means shit when states are turning blue/purple and the entire establishment - corporations, media, academia, public intellectuals, part of GOP (jeb and his cohorts) is liberal
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Date: June 18th, 2020 6:50 PM Author: Insane racy dragon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564113&forum_id=2#40445470) |
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Date: June 18th, 2020 6:50 PM Author: Yapping spot You have to go after issues that split the Dem coalition - burning down higher education is one, passing policies bad for urban white shitlibs, but good for urban blacks, etc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564113&forum_id=2#40445472) |
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Date: June 18th, 2020 6:57 PM Author: Fear-inspiring Insanely Creepy Chapel Puppy how do you burn down higher education within the "democratic framework" when you can't pass laws
it will require a MASSIVE legislation on par with civil rights law and a completely new structure of college education, funding mechanisms, bankruptcy mechanisms, neutrality requirements for private colleges. it may be the most consequential, expansive legislation since 1965 even more than obamacare or patriot act
you think cruz or hawley or cotton can wave their hand and make it happen through executive action with a bare majority only in the senate? especially with our buckwild judges and 5~6 cuckish GOP senators?
you are ignoring reality - you want deeply conservative policies implemented through democratic means in an increasingly liberal/leftist society with the left having overwhelming control of our institutions
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Date: June 18th, 2020 6:59 PM Author: Yapping spot “ how do you burn down higher education within the "democratic framework" when you can't pass law”
At the state level and through DoE directives. It doesnt require an act of Congress. |
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Date: June 18th, 2020 7:26 PM Author: Fear-inspiring Insanely Creepy Chapel Puppy ok lets take deep red mississipi. propose state policies that are SAFELY constitutional that even buckwild hawaii judge can't overturn and will burn down the public education system without an actual replacement
people will never ever just closing down universities. you have to concede that. policies that would actually push back against lib control of academic institutions most of which will require congress to act (ending federally backed student loans, allowing bankruptcy for student loans, free speech protections and political identity as a protected class)
free speech protection for faculty/students could probably be done at state level also through state human rights legislation that we have currently in lot of the states. but i dont see even deep red states going in this direction. may be TX/MS/AL should start with this. ban colleges from canceling admissions for some tik tok videos in HS or firing professors if they oppose SJWs
bottom line conservative dreams can only be accomplished if
1) test for ideological purity in our political class - no more tillis, mcain, flakes, GHWB, GWB. look at ryan bounds getting punished for opposing multiculturalism in college even with a GOP senate. GOP political class has to be cotton/lee/hawley/cruz etc
2) after imposing ideological purity win 62+ senate seats, large majority in the house and a GOP POTUS - THIS IS THE CRUX OF THE ISSUE. (1) is easy and already happening
this requires a conservative society similar to what we had in the 70s/80s. nothing significant will happen until then and even a GOP POTUS/senate can only nibble around the edges of our lib clown world
we have a clown world because society changed. not because trump missed some layups. for all his serious personality flaws trump has done more for "conservatives" than GWB/GHWB |
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Date: June 18th, 2020 7:44 PM Author: Big-titted Chest-beating Pit Twist: Goldwater 64 was a high point for conservatives at the time. The GOP had been the party of George Romney, Rockefeller, Dwight ....not conservative. Just getting the nomination was a huge deal and paved the way for Reagan.
Anyways, as to your main point, I disagree. In January this was shaping up to be a sleepy election of Chamber of Commerce v AFL-CIO cliched talking points. Now its actually about something. There is an energy on both sides that feels like 2016 again. |