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California IOUs ==> breach of contract?

It seems that promising to pay a debt that was already owed ...
brilliant hairy legs
  07/03/09
FAIL
Fuchsia exciting kitchen
  07/03/09
Probably doesn't hurt they are incapable of being sued for m...
Motley sick filthpig tanning salon
  07/03/09
unless they waived their immunity! Oh! PASS here i come! Woo...
Poppy roast beef
  07/03/09
Is that the case? It's not the case at the federal level....
brilliant hairy legs
  07/03/09
accord and satisfaction
Deranged Parlour Idea He Suggested
  07/03/09
There's no accord if they merely send out IOUs.
brilliant hairy legs
  07/03/09
I would happily file that Wage Claim case and see where it e...
Cream Parlor Rigor
  07/03/09
California has the Government Claims Act, but I believe the ...
Motley sick filthpig tanning salon
  07/03/09
In any event, California's credit rating is fucked. They ca...
brilliant hairy legs
  07/03/09
I'm sure that CA has some sort of Payment of Wages Act statu...
Cream Parlor Rigor
  07/03/09
No, I remembered that wrong. I think it DOES allow for cont...
Motley sick filthpig tanning salon
  07/03/09
Fuck that - imagine the uproar if Walmart of some other huge...
Cream Parlor Rigor
  07/03/09
I completely agree. This state is so absurd. In the end, t...
Motley sick filthpig tanning salon
  07/03/09
Initiative process is a great idea that turned onto a really...
Cream Parlor Rigor
  07/03/09
why? those are as good as money those are IOUs
Autistic degenerate
  07/03/09
It would be fun to play poker with the CA IOUs - * goes all-...
Cream Parlor Rigor
  07/03/09


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Date: July 3rd, 2009 2:33 PM
Author: brilliant hairy legs

It seems that promising to pay a debt that was already owed doesn't do a whole hell of a lot. Sure, California is paying a little interest, but I don't see how unilaterally offering to pay a little interest gets them out of breach of contract claims.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1033107&forum_id=2#12149888)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 3:26 PM
Author: Fuchsia exciting kitchen

FAIL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1033107&forum_id=2#12150353)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 4:12 PM
Author: Motley sick filthpig tanning salon

Probably doesn't hurt they are incapable of being sued for monetary damages flowing from any said breach.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1033107&forum_id=2#12150862)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 4:14 PM
Author: Poppy roast beef

unless they waived their immunity! Oh! PASS here i come! Woot Woot!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1033107&forum_id=2#12150883)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 4:16 PM
Author: brilliant hairy legs

Is that the case?

It's not the case at the federal level. The Court of Federal Claims exists largely to sue Uncle Sam for breach of contract.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1033107&forum_id=2#12150911)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 4:15 PM
Author: Deranged Parlour Idea He Suggested

accord and satisfaction

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1033107&forum_id=2#12150898)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 4:16 PM
Author: brilliant hairy legs

There's no accord if they merely send out IOUs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1033107&forum_id=2#12150920)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 4:17 PM
Author: Cream Parlor Rigor

I would happily file that Wage Claim case and see where it ends up. And I'm sure that CA has waived SI in some way that could give these cases traction.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1033107&forum_id=2#12150921)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 4:21 PM
Author: Motley sick filthpig tanning salon

California has the Government Claims Act, but I believe the California courts have explicitly found that does not apply to contract claims but only tort claims.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1033107&forum_id=2#12150975)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 4:22 PM
Author: brilliant hairy legs

In any event, California's credit rating is fucked. They can enjoy a long future of paying high interest rates.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1033107&forum_id=2#12150985)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 4:23 PM
Author: Cream Parlor Rigor

I'm sure that CA has some sort of Payment of Wages Act statute. I clerked at a firm in SF and I remember looking at it. That would take it out of Breach of K.

I haven't looked at it, but I would be very interested to see if SI is waived for a statutory cause of action like Wage Claim. Maybe it is. But I would love to take it and try to certify that class.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1033107&forum_id=2#12150989)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 4:24 PM
Author: Motley sick filthpig tanning salon

No, I remembered that wrong. I think it DOES allow for contract suits!

Lets get a class action going! Drive CA into the ground!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1033107&forum_id=2#12150994)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 4:27 PM
Author: Cream Parlor Rigor

Fuck that - imagine the uproar if Walmart of some other huge employer expected people to show up for work everyday for IOU's. Why should the state government of CA get a pass on royally fucking working people?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1033107&forum_id=2#12151021)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 4:33 PM
Author: Motley sick filthpig tanning salon

I completely agree. This state is so absurd. In the end, though, I blame the batshit constitution that allows like 4 people to sign a napkin and get an initiative on the ballot to amend the constitution.

Beginning of California correcting itself:

1) Constitutional convention to revise the Constitution to eliminate the initiative process

2) Removing term limits on state legislators

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1033107&forum_id=2#12151055)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 4:39 PM
Author: Cream Parlor Rigor

Initiative process is a great idea that turned onto a really bad idea. Prop 13 = slow death for local & city gov.

I know people are all down on term limits in CA, and I understand why, but getting rid of them has its own set of downsides. Cite: Boxer & Feinstien and their ugly, plastic surgery enhanced faces and the fact that they're going to be CA's Strom Thrumonds.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1033107&forum_id=2#12151103)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 4:41 PM
Author: Autistic degenerate

why? those are as good as money

those are IOUs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1033107&forum_id=2#12151115)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 4:43 PM
Author: Cream Parlor Rigor

It would be fun to play poker with the CA IOUs - * goes all-in with 10 high, loses, but yet did he really lose?*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1033107&forum_id=2#12151129)