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Make college admissions GPA and SAT based only with a lottery system
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 12:16 AM Author: .,.,...,..,.,..:,,:,......,;:.,.:..:.,:,::,. They shouldn’t complicate things with recommendations, extracurricular activities and essays. Everything should just be stat based and randomized among the highest achieving at the most elite schools. The lower tier schools can offer waitlisted positions based on priority and fill out their classes that way. Schools will save millions on all the adcom costs and make a process that’s actually fair for all. It shouldn’t matter what your school, geography, race or ethnicity are. You should just meet a baseline level of achievement then let luck decide where things shake out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703482&forum_id=2#48805384) |
Date: April 2nd, 2025 12:17 AM Author: aggressive mimicry U really don't know why they added that dumb shit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703482&forum_id=2#48805387) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 12:31 AM Author: literal scientist lol at using “gpa” as a raw data input in a vacuum. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703482&forum_id=2#48805424) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 2:20 PM Author: .,.,...,..,.,..:,,:,......,;:.,.:..:.,:,::,. Combine it with SAT. Why should some kid who got a 3.6/1590 from a rich competitive prep school get in over a kid from a shitty public school who got a 4.3/1590? You’re not throttling the poor kid for coming from a less competitive school but you also aren’t making excuses for them if they can’t match performance in standardized tests. No more excuses either way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703482&forum_id=2#48807134) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 4:14 PM Author: literal scientist because that system would be immediately bamboozled and further debauch the already ridiculous gpa gamesmanship we have today. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703482&forum_id=2#48807964) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 5:02 PM Author: .,.,...,..,.,..:,,:,......,;:.,.:..:.,:,::,. How will people bamboozle 4.0 and 99th percentile SATs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703482&forum_id=2#48808205) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 5:04 PM Author: Oh, you trade? (🧐) do you understand where the incentive for grade inflation comes from? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703482&forum_id=2#48808210) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 5:09 PM Author: .,.,...,..,.,..:,,:,......,;:.,.:..:.,:,::,. Private schools already have an incentive to inflate gpas. Class rank solves that if people really care. Make it a requirement to report class rank and HYPS plus Cal Tech and MIT restrict lottery eligibility to top 5% of class and 99th percentile SAT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703482&forum_id=2#48808227) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 5:09 PM Author: literal scientist *opens One Weird Trick Preparatory School* *gives every student an 8.0 gpa* |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 5:12 PM Author: .,.,...,..,.,..:,,:,......,;:.,.:..:.,:,::,. Most prep schools already have an incentive to inflate GPA. Just use class rank and require schools report rank. Most kids at expensive prep schools still aren’t getting a 99th percentile SAT so they’d be ineligible for the lottery system anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703482&forum_id=2#48808242) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 5:13 PM Author: literal scientist they’re all tied for number 1! seriously, did you even think about this for two seconds? if so, i’m assuming a lottery system wouldn’t have helped you out anyway, so no need to stress about it. |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 5:19 PM Author: .,.,...,..,.,..:,,:,......,;:.,.:..:.,:,::,. What’s your point? The system wouldn’t work because some private schools would fudge their class rank system? This is already happening on top of all the other admissions fraud and race preferences that already exist. It’s clearly a better and fairer system than the shenanigans they’re pulling now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703482&forum_id=2#48808277) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 5:23 PM Author: literal scientist because factors other than number x and number y are able to be considered, there is at least currently some correction for these shenanigans. by eliminating any subjectivity you’re only incentivizing the destruction of any actual gpa value signals. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703482&forum_id=2#48808289) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 5:14 PM Author: ,,.,.,..,.,.,,.,.,....,,,.,.,.,...,,.,.,..,..,,.., Look up Goodhart’s Law. The point of GPA and SAT score is to measure the students ability and potential. But students know they are going to get evaluated based on this, so they skew the metrics by studying for the SAT, taking the SAT multiple times until they get the scores they want, gaming their GPAs through easy classes and grade inflation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703482&forum_id=2#48808246) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 5:30 PM Author: .,.,...,..,.,..:,,:,......,;:.,.:..:.,:,::,. There could still be additional components involved in the lottery. The most selective colleges could set criteria such as required classes if they’re concerned about lack of rigor in schedule and they can cap the number of SAT attempts at 1 or 2 tops. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703482&forum_id=2#48808325) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 4:19 PM Author: novus homo (gunneratttt) thread smells like duck sauce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703482&forum_id=2#48807984) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 5:10 PM Author: richard clock the sat needs to be harder, too many 1500+ nowadays to sort between. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703482&forum_id=2#48808232) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 5:11 PM Author: Ass Sunstein Just burn it all down. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703482&forum_id=2#48808234) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 5:11 PM Author: literal scientist (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703482&forum_id=2#48808236) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 5:12 PM Author: ,,.,.,..,.,.,,.,.,....,,,.,.,.,...,,.,.,..,..,,.., Extracurriculars have value; they are probably more valuable than most GPA or SAT scores thanks to Goodhart’s law.
I’ve argued for something similar, though. Colleges should just decide whether a candidate crosses the threshold for ability to thrive at the school, then pool those candidates up and draw the names at random until the seats are filled. |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 5:15 PM Author: Ass Sunstein Auctioning the spots off to the highest bidder (among the candidates who pass the threshold) would be more efficient. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703482&forum_id=2#48808248) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 5:18 PM Author: literal scientist it would deeply undercut their value. so long as you have formal notice that you cleared the threshold, you may as well put that in your pocket and slide and let do at state school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703482&forum_id=2#48808268) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 5:17 PM Author: .,.,...,..,.,..:,,:,......,;:.,.:..:.,:,::,. Colleges are terrible at understanding which ECs are actually impressive. Kids also lie about them all the time and there is no fact checking. Pure achievement with some notable exceptions for recruited athletes makes the most sense. If you aren’t good enough at your EC to be recruited for it then it shouldn’t matter. Anything else is DEI nonsense (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703482&forum_id=2#48808260) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 5:25 PM Author: Ass Sunstein Grades can be gamed, SATs are too easy. Also who cares if you got good grades if you forgot all the material, which most people do.
Instead, there should be a really hard, week-long in-person test covering all subjects. Kind of like taking AP English/History/Calc/Chem/Physics all at once. It could be graded by AI. And AI could be used to come up with the questions, so they don't have to worry about people passing the questions to future test-takers.
You could even be required to debate the AI as part of the test.
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