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Date: July 3rd, 2009 8:28 AM Author: provocative mental disorder jap HHHHHHHPPP. Not sure what cities I'm going to bid on -- stuck between NYC, DC, Boston, and Chicago.
Difficult thing about Boston Chicago is that I'd really only want to work for a couple of firms -- Ropes/Wilmer or Sidley/Kirkland. DC and NYC have more places I'd like to work. . . I'm thinking about bidding three cities.
What is TCR w/r/t strategy -- do people typically rank firms in the order they want (i.e. W&C 1, Covington 2, etc. for DC, or are we supposed to sprinkle safeties in our top bids? |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 7:28 PM Author: Bright Cuckold Regret You won't get Kirkland. You should also consider Winston and maybe Mayer in Chicago (Mayer lost some prestige with its bad financial management). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12152263) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 9:41 PM Author: provocative mental disorder jap Really? 7 Hs isn't enough for kirkland? That's kind of surprising, because they don't pull many HLS kids, and chicago recruiting guy said half Hs half Ps would be fine.
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 10:07 PM Author: peach address What recruiter would be so candid? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12153070) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 10:09 PM Author: Bright Cuckold Regret I have a number of HLS friends, and only one of them got an offer at Kirkland. He was pretty much all A/A- ('09 graduate). Three Ps, esp in this economy.... I dunno dude. Nobody with three Bs would make Kirkland in prior years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12153080) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 10:23 PM Author: provocative mental disorder jap didnt they take like 17 northwestern kids or something like that. the cutoffs for cravath and sullivan were 5.5, i gather. that's half a-s, half b+s. Its hard to see kirkland chicago being more selective than Cravath/DPW/SullCrom. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12153150) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 10:26 PM Author: Heady brunch I don't think Cravath had a hard cutoff. Sullivan is the only New York firm I know of with an actual cutoff. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12153161) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 10:36 PM Author: Bright Cuckold Regret i guess. what i know is all anecdotal. i dont know how to get access to HLS's stats database. any HLS students here? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12153200) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 10:42 PM Author: Heady brunch There is nothing about grades on the OCS site. It give callback, offer, etc. information but that's it. It's maddening. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12153222) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 10:43 PM Author: provocative mental disorder jap I'm a HLS student. There are no stats that provide GPA numbers.
In 2008 OCI (Interviews)(Call back Invites)(Call backs taken)(Offers) (Offer Accepts
Kirkland 28, 17, 11, 3 Cravath 85, 84, 77, 37, 18 (Wow. . . this shocks me) SullCrom 135, 41, 37, 34, 13 DPW 176, 119, 118, 61, 17
Interesting. |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 11:15 PM Author: Heady brunch CSM was an anomaly last year. The five years prior for each
K&E 2007: 38, 28, 25, 21, 2 2006: 39, 25, 21, 21, 5 2005: 45, 29, 21, 21, 5 2004: 48, 42, 28, 23, 7 2003: 35, 25, 19, 15, 2
CSM 2007: 117, 82, 74, 41, 18 2006: 102, 59, 48, 40, 21 2005: 114, 61, 54, 34, 17 2004: 82, 48, 43, 23, 16 2003: no info
S&C 2007: 119, 66, 50, 50, 13 2006: 130, 57, 51, 48, 4 2005: 111, 61, 53, 49, 7 2004: 111, 57, 38, 31, 8 2003: 121, 62, 52, 45, 7
DPW 2007: 157, 116, 101, 76, 30 2006: 174, 117, 108, 84, 27 2005: 154, 104, 95, 63, 28 2004: 148, 75, 66, 39, 13 2003: 167, 67, 67, 47, 17 |
Date: July 3rd, 2009 10:14 AM Author: Salmon bipolar reading party not that i know anything, but it seems like bidding 3 cities is a little crazy. do you really have a good reason to be interested in bos/chi, or is it just a to-be-safe type thing?
i'm in a similar position as you w/r/t grades--do you think it even makes sense to bid on, say w&c? i mean, we're probably top 1/3 at best. in any case, i think i'm going to put some safeties and targets in my top bids, just to be safe. |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 10:23 AM Author: twisted locale tattoo no way 7/10 Hs is top third. you are probably top 20 percent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12148650) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 10:55 AM Author: Salmon bipolar reading party luckily we have no way of knowing, which is making this difficult (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12148720) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 4:08 PM Author: provocative mental disorder jap I don't know, but I feel like its worth a bid anyway. I only have 7/10, no LR, might be a BSA next year. Those aren't stellar facts/numbers, but I'm going to bid wachtell and W&C. Its only two of our 30 bids. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12150813) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 4:09 PM Author: Pontificating roast beef Why do you hunger for prestige so much? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12150822) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 4:11 PM Author: Azure lascivious dysfunction chad w&c and wachtell are great firms, come on (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12150843) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 4:13 PM Author: provocative mental disorder jap Wachtell because I could pay loans off in a year and a half. W&C because you get to do really interesting work.
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 4:15 PM Author: floppy dilemma therapy because he goes to HLS HTMFH! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12150901) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 10:53 AM Author: Salmon bipolar reading party (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12148717) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 11:33 AM Author: slippery titillating ape 3 LPs and the rest Ps, what are my odds for getting biglaw? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12148824) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 11:36 AM Author: Bearded aquamarine theater stage crotch URM? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12148832) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 11:42 AM Author: slippery titillating ape no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12148853) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 11:37 AM Author: Nofapping angry parlor how did you manage to fuck up so badly? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12148837) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 11:43 AM Author: slippery titillating ape just clueless when it came to taking law school exams. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12148854) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 4:16 PM Author: floppy dilemma therapy have you spoken to CS?
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 5:42 PM Author: Heady brunch Do you mean OCS? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12151616) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 5:45 PM Author: slippery titillating ape not yet. kinda terrified by the prospects of being told by them that i need to kiss biglaw good-bye. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12151636) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 4:18 PM Author: provocative mental disorder jap Yikes. OCS says people with LPs are supposed to make appointments with them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12150936) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 7:24 PM Author: Bright Cuckold Regret which is dumb since like 15-25% of the class is gonna have LPs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12152241) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 8:49 PM Author: Heady brunch Who fucked up worse, the administration for choosing the new grading system or OCS for emails telling students with LPs to seppuku? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12152683) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 10:11 PM Author: Bright Cuckold Regret Both. Who honestly decided to arbitrarily say "10% of exam-takers on every test is automatically going to be marked incompetent"? IMHO, B-, B, B+ should be P. A-, A should be H. LP should be discretionary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12153087) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 10:13 PM Author: slippery titillating ape What do you think looks worse to an employer: a LP from HLS or a B- from somewhere like Columbia/NYU? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12153099) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 10:18 PM Author: Heady brunch LP because they will assume it's discretionary like at Yale. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12153126) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 10:39 PM Author: Soggy Potus LP looks a lot worse. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12153213) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 11:58 AM Author: comical twinkling jewess The OCS site says that the average HLS student bids on 20 firms and does 15 interviews. What kind of grades do you think are necessary NOT to have to go through so much of that? I mean, what would someone need to feel pretty confident about T10? I don't really have a long-term interest in BIGLAW, so I haven't paid that much attention... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12148903) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 4:17 PM Author: floppy dilemma therapy do you mean V10? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12150930) |
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Date: July 4th, 2009 7:06 AM Author: comical twinkling jewess Yeah, sorry. V10. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12154913) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 5:45 PM Author: burgundy pocket flask pit just bid on wherever you want. a firm might ask you where else you're bidding but it's not like they're going to walk around to all the other firms rooms and ask if punctuation moniker interviewed there earlier. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12151637) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 10:42 PM Author: pungent hell milk HHHHHHHHPP interested in lit boutiques. do i have a shot at places like susman? any HLSers with info on good places to target and espeicially info about places that don't come to OCI but that it would be worth mailing? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12153220) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 10:58 PM Author: Disgusting Fear-inspiring Candlestick Maker Ratface Harvard OCS is going to need to find a way to explain to employers what LP really means. In ten years of recruiting at Yale, I've encountered one LP. One. If I see an LP on a Harvard transcript, I'm going to assume that it reflects the dregs of the class unless/until someone tells me it means something else. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12153286) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 10:59 PM Author: pungent hell milk cool, thanks for the info buddy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12153289) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 10:59 PM Author: Heady brunch I know a guy who summered there. He was around top 10%.
If you want to be a plaintiffs attorney: http://www.altshulerberzon.com/
Kellogg Huber will probably tell you to wait until you've clerked before applying.
The same is probably true of Bartlit Beck. Zuckerman Spaeder might be interested.
Of OCI firms, make sure to hit Keker, Kasowitz Benson, Boies, and maybe Quinn.
Beck Redden has a resume drop. You should do that. |
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Date: July 4th, 2009 1:57 AM Author: pungent hell milk isn't altshuler berzon more about public interest side plaintiffs work? what's the story with that firm? the bios of their attorneys are amazing. do they pay market? do they pay $50k? how do things work over there? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12154367) |
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Date: July 4th, 2009 2:10 AM Author: Heady brunch You're right. It's plaintiffs side labor work. Sometimes they do class action stuff. They're the best at what they do.
I have no idea about their pay. I only know their attorneys have outstanding credentials. |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 11:22 PM Author: adventurous resort digit ratio go munger and irell for the west coast if interested (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12153385) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 11:12 PM Author: slippery titillating ape what's the % of students getting LP in a class? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12153315) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 11:16 PM Author: Heady brunch 8 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12153335) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 11:19 PM Author: slippery titillating ape then perhaps a LP at HLS should be looked upon as worse than a B- at CLS. At Columbia 15% of the grades given out in a class can be B- or below. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12153362) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 11:20 PM Author: Heady brunch Even if there was an identical distribution, it would still look worse. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032985&forum_id=2#12153375) |