Hyman Seems To Concede RSF Has a 100% Goy Father?
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Date: September 10th, 2024 1:41 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
never hear any hyman noise about the father being jewish. so hyman seems to be conceding that rsf is genetically 50% jewish at best?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48070393) |
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Date: September 10th, 2024 1:44 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
mother's mother's mother etc.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48070416) |
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Date: September 10th, 2024 2:20 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
that's a big and complex topic. you've got major historical examples of mass conversions out of judaism where people can still suggest some weak level of proof they have jewish ancestry, most notably the conversos from the inquisition. in these cases, the ruling is that they do need to convert. if we were 1 or 2 generations away from a forced conversion out of judaism, there might be an easier conversion process to get them back or they might not even need to convert, but this is a very difficult topic.
in your case, if nobody knows about it, how is it going to come up? might be a case of "ignorance is bliss." maybe i'm not understanding your hypo.
re last paragraph. absolutely no question -- someone who is jew-ish but not halachically jewish under whatever circumstance (ancestor converted out, you're 15/16 jewish ethnically, whatever) has NO obligation to convert and fully join the tribe. god is cool with them keeping the 7, not the 613.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48070580)
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Date: September 10th, 2024 2:24 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48070612) |
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Date: September 10th, 2024 3:06 PM Author: Brother Peter Dimond
so anyone who would need to convert because of unknown/unverifiable lineage is off the hook?
what about this one. you’re born to a mom who converted christian and pretends to be italian or irish or something but people know she was jewish. you grow up not interested in being jewish even though you are. the local rabbis would welcome you because they knew your mother and her family, you wouldn’t have to convert at that point.
but here’s the hypo, you move far away and live to be so old no one alive anymore would have any idea your mom was a jew and there are no reliable records. IF such a person wanted to be jewish at this point he would have to convert, no? if he doesn’t want to convert is he off the hook?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48070812) |
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Date: September 10th, 2024 4:00 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
1) i suppose so, because someone with unknown/unverifiable lineage simply isn't considered jewish. you can't be obligated in the 613 mitzvot if judaism doesn't consider you jewish.
2) you'd absolutely be jewish
3) in this case, do you personally know you were born to a jewish mother, but you just can't prove it and nobody else can prove it? there's also the concept of a conversion l'chumra (conversion out of stringency/precaution), in which case the rabbis would convert you just in case because they wouldn't want to be converting someone already jewish. they might call it a conversion l'chumra. if you don't want to "formally "convert" and you know you're jewish personally, i assume you are NOT off the hook because you have an obligation to keep the torah even if nobody else thinks you're jewish. but i dunno. i'm not a rabbi. that's just my guess.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48071012) |
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Date: September 10th, 2024 1:44 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
wife is only 25% ashkenazi.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48070417) |
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Date: September 10th, 2024 1:46 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
yeah, my kids have only 1 jewish paternal grandfather
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48070431) |
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Date: September 10th, 2024 1:47 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
flame
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48070439) |
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Date: September 10th, 2024 1:57 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
glame
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48070483) |
Date: September 10th, 2024 1:50 PM Author: Mymanides (HYMAN)
As everyone ITT mentioned and clowned on your for, RSF by virtue of having an extremely Jewish maternal side makes him more Jewish than your wife and kids. Haven't done the genealogical work on his dad's side, since Judaism is matrilineal.
also, why doesn't RSF ever acknowledge you or give you the time of day my man? Weird how you stick up for (((him))) constantly. Definitely not some weird tribal thing.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48070455) |
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Date: September 10th, 2024 1:58 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
rsf bumped that we're friends, my man
https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5573522&mc=103&forum_id=2#47952938
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48070487) |
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Date: September 10th, 2024 2:05 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
not defending his goyishness. just calling out ur shitty methodology
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48070525) |
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Date: September 10th, 2024 2:11 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
my hangup is that the mother's mother's mother hasn't been proven jewish. you could easily find those records
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48070539) |
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Date: September 10th, 2024 2:22 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
how insane do you sound now what hyman isnt even related to rsf!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48070595) |
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Date: September 10th, 2024 2:26 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
the humor is that the joke's on you with this 2 jewish paternal grandfather schtick
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48070620) |
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Date: September 11th, 2024 8:28 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
The chances of conversion in Europe were much lower when Jews lived in shtetls. In America intermarriage and conversions were much more likely.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48074977) |
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Date: September 11th, 2024 8:32 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
Reform “temples” have no rules and if you feel Jewish they’ll let you in
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48074988) |
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Date: September 11th, 2024 8:40 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
Poor rc? That his brother had a “bar mitzvah” at a reform “temple” says nothing one way or another as to whether he’s Jewish
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48075016) |
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Date: September 11th, 2024 8:47 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
Yes the ones who had some Jewish ethnicity but aren’t actually Jewish dumb fuck
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48075036) |
Date: September 11th, 2024 8:31 AM Author: snoot
And the likelihood that every person on RSF's mom's side is Jewish is 0.
So RSF is at best less than half ethnically Jewish. There may also be matrilineal issues on his mom's side, hence their membership at B'nai Or which is one the few synagogues that welcomes these types of families who would otherwise be shunned as goyim.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48074986) |
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Date: September 11th, 2024 8:53 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
Love the bloodacre angle in all this re chest puffing that his fat Jew NJ reform temple is jewishly superior than RSF’s fat Jew NJ reform temple.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48075054) |
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Date: September 11th, 2024 9:22 AM Author: snoot
Brother i've lost the battle on raising my kids Jewish. We get together with family on the high holidays, do a Chanukah party, seder and little purim party, but i do not belong to a synagogue at all. If I did, it would 100% be B'Nai Or because they would accept my family.
The kids are much more involved in the Ukrainian church and community. So am I tbh. They've embraced me despite all being antisemitic nazis.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48075141)
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Date: September 11th, 2024 9:32 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
very sad to hear!
did you expect anything different?
this is exactly why judaism is matrilineal. the rabbis knew that the wife controls the household and how kids are raised.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48075205) |
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Date: September 11th, 2024 9:39 AM Author: snoot
I didn't but also don't care.
The benefit of religion for me is community. Growing up in a reform synagogue, it never felt like an actual community. The families don't spend time with each other and people pretty much reluctantly go through the motions out of obligation.
The Ukrainians (even the american born Ukies) teach their kids the language and culture. They all get together socially etc.
Orthodox Jews have communities like this, which is appealing, but I was never going to be an Orthodox Jew.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48075258) |
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Date: September 11th, 2024 9:43 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
exactly. we had no sense of community as secular jews nominally affiliated with reform/conservative "temples" that we went to 3x/yr or whatever -- which is why ortho judaism is so appealing to jews who get recruited by the right outreach rabbis who show them the sense of community.
it's never too late to be an ortho jew! you can abandon your wife and kids and remarry!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48075303) |
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Date: September 11th, 2024 9:59 AM Author: snoot
They missed the boat focusing exclusively on the religious element IMO. People chanting memorized syllables in a language they don't understand is never going to make people want to spend time in your community. We'd have an hour or so long service, then some bread and shitty cookies for everyone to share and nothing else.
The synagogue had these insane hierarchies that made all these decisions which were headed by all the most insufferable people. It's like no one ever asked "what can we do to make people want to spend time here?"
I will consider your suggestion. Wife is aging, kids are getting annoying. I could just disappear into some random Ortho community. Get myself some frumpy yenta and start all over again.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48075448) |
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Date: September 11th, 2024 10:13 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
absolutely. it's amazing that secular jews our age all over the country i speak to had the exact same experiences at every single one of these reform/conservative "temples." -- the insufferable leadership, the boring services that they were forced to sit through and the shitty stale cookies.
most of these kids' only association with judaism is being dragged after school to some miserable "hebrew school" and being forced to sit thru some awful boring "service" once in a while.
all the fun-for-kids stuff that happens in ortho communities is totally absent.
b'hatzlacha on getting a frummy frumpy yenta!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48075604) |
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Date: September 11th, 2024 9:33 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48075215) |
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Date: September 11th, 2024 9:34 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
cr. would love to claim RSF as a jew if i could.
and would love to invite RSF and CSLG over to a shabbat dinner together at our house.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48075221) |
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Date: September 11th, 2024 9:37 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
and hyman refuses to offer proof that jean bloom nee ??? is jewish
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48075245) |
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Date: September 11th, 2024 9:44 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
they dont do geneaology research
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48075312) |
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Date: September 11th, 2024 9:44 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
no, i'm not. i'm saying the question is still open as to whether his mom is jewish
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48075324) |
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Date: September 11th, 2024 10:09 AM Author: snoot
I don't know who that is. More importantly, the board antisemites seem to focus on biological Jewishness as opposed to technical passage of Jewishness pursuant to Jewish law.
It seems a bit of a copout to, when it suits you, to pivot to the latter and suggest RSF is 100% Jewish despite overwhelming proof that he is less than 50% biologically Jewish.
If RSF had 75% biological Jewishness but his maternal grandmother was a shiksa, I doubt you'd say "OK guys, I concede he's a goy."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48075562) |
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Date: September 11th, 2024 9:35 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48075229) |
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Date: September 11th, 2024 9:45 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
jewish, asian, or both -- like everyone else here.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591910&forum_id=2#48075331) |
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