Predict if my acquaintance will be sentenced to prison
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Date: November 18th, 2024 9:32 PM Author: Jed Dews
Federal case
Midwestern district court
He pled guilty to a wire fraud felony
He stole $115k from his former employer, white collar case
No other criminal record
Sentencing guideline is 10-16 months
AUSA in his memorandum asked for 10 months + fines
His attorney asked for community service and probation
Sentencing is next week, will update
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5636568&forum_id=2#48354313) |
Date: November 18th, 2024 9:48 PM
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Any mitigating or aggravating factors we should be aware of?
Can you give us a sentencing report analysis of the judge?
Are any of the judge's former clerks on your team so you can get some reads there?
Lit comms strategy?
Thanks
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5636568&forum_id=2#48354353) |
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Date: November 18th, 2024 9:56 PM Author: Jed Dews
Mitigating factors: family man, community man, no other criminal record, paid restitution in full, cooperated fully once charged
Aggravating factors: scamming continued for like 4 years, admitted to wrongdoing when caught but hid full extent
I don’t have any of the other stuff, I’m not involved in the case just ran a PACER search after learning this was going on
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5636568&forum_id=2#48354377) |
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Date: November 18th, 2024 9:59 PM
Author: .,.,.,;,.,.,,;.,.,;,..,.,.,.,.;,..
If you're trying to get an honest read you need to do a sentencing / lit history report for the judge and see how he's treated similarly situated. Or chat with some of his former clerks. But my uneducated hunch is he'll get off with significant community service + $ + probation. If he does spend time in prison it'll be under the guideline range.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5636568&forum_id=2#48354384) |
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Date: November 19th, 2024 12:45 PM Author: ilikeithere
AUSA's can be dicks and decline to extend any type of offer when the evidence / confession is solid
That said
He at least gets acceptance of responsibility points to reduce his guideline range with a naked plea
Plus, perhaps he got consideration on the loss amount from the AUSA in exchange for his plea (for ex maybe the true loss was >$250K but in exchange for plea the AUSA stipulated to a loss amount of $115k, which lowers his USSG points and potential guideline range)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5636568&forum_id=2#48356243) |
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Date: November 19th, 2024 12:25 PM Author: Jed Dews
is the transcript of the plea different from the plea agreement itself? i couldn't find a transcript in the docket. i have a pdf of the latter in front of me. this is all it says regarding sentencing:
The United States Attorney and I have entered into the following agreements which are submitted to the Court pursuant to Rule 11(c)(1)(B) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure and are not binding upon the Court; I understand that if the Court refuses to follow the recommendations set forth below, I will not be allowed to withdraw my guilty plea:
i.
For purposes of calculating the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines, the parties agree that, at a minimum, the following offense level calculations apply to me (based upon the November 1, 2023 Guidelines Manual):
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The parties agree that the base offense level is 7 pursuant to U.S.S.G. § 2B1.1(a)(1).
B.
The parties agree that the total loss amount exceeds $95,000, and therefore 8 levels are added pursuant to U.S.S.G. § 2B1.1(b)(1)(E).
C.
The parties agree that I abused a position of trust in a manner that significantly facilitated the commission and concealment of the offense, and therefore 2 levels are added pursuant to U.S.S.G. § 3B1.3.
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The parties agree that in recognition of my acceptance of responsibility for my offense conduct, I am entitled to a two-level reduction in my offense level. The parties further agree that I have assisted authorities in the investigation or prosecution of my own misconduct by timely notifying the United States Attorney’s Office of my intention to plead guilty, thereby permitting the government to avoid preparing for trial and permitting the government and the Court to allocate their resources efficiently, and we agree that if my offense level is 16 or greater, the government will move at sentencing for me to receive an additional one-level reduction in offense level. However, I understand that the government’s obligation to recommend acceptance of responsibility under this plea agreement is contingent upon my continuing manifestation of acceptance of responsibility; should I deny my involvement, give conflicting statements of my involvement, or engage in additional criminal conduct including any personal use of controlled substances, the government shall not be bound to recommend any reduction in offense level for acceptance of responsibility. I further understand the Court is not bound by this recommendation and that the Court makes the final decision regarding my receipt of a reduction in offense level for acceptance of responsibility.
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At the time of sentencing, the United States Attorney shall recommend that I be sentenced to a period of imprisonment at the low end of the applicable guideline range, said guideline range to be determined by the Court.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5636568&forum_id=2#48356159) |
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Date: November 19th, 2024 12:57 PM Author: fury and intensity of a straight up murderer (gunneratttt)
i'm mostly guessing because my experience here was high end white collar stuff where individuals rarely get sentenced.
as far as sentencing and shit generally, it's all very discretionary. look how long elizabeth holmes evaded starting her sentence. it's going to depend on the judge, your buddy, and his reasons for requesting a delay.
i'm sorry for your friend. having worked in the field i know how good d00ds overall still make mistakes. sadly, the road ahead is very tough. i have seen people rebound too, though. my assumption is that he's fucked on getting no jail. maybe it's plausible the judge would go below the guidelines, but i've never seen it happen personally. in my experience most judges go with the plea or whatever the sentencing commission recommends if there is no plea bargain in place. i've never seen a judge deviate downwards. i'm sure it has happened, but probably from progressive hawaii judges in favor of an oppressed class. not likely for a financial crimemo whose only saving grace is "he's a good d00d who made a mistake." that bargaining happens at the plea bargain stage. once a guilty verdict is entered, judges will only deviate from sentencing guidelines in extraordinary circumstances ime.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5636568&forum_id=2#48356281) |
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Date: November 19th, 2024 1:57 PM Author: fury and intensity of a straight up murderer (gunneratttt)
frequently tolling agreements and waiving right to a speedy trial. it often felt very much like kafka's trial where the best case was to kick the can down the lane forever. this is exactly how i worked this shit for years and rarely saw sentencing.
the prosbros often don't know anything. and neither do the defense attorneys. and often not even our clients. a did this post-ite so there was a lot of "smoke" and searching for the "fire." especially when it came to individuals. this is why so few people got charged. there weren't a lot of smoking guns and there was plenty of reasonable doubt various individuals were just caught up with the enthusiasm of pre-ite. in my opinion knowing them and reading through their emails for years, it's true, most were just dancing when the game of musical chairs ended.
anyway, the day to day was not glamorous. a lot of discovery and motion practice. and at the end of the day you know it's going to be some civil fine, consent agreement, etc. not very glamourous or what people think of with corporate white collar defense.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5636568&forum_id=2#48356567) |
Date: November 19th, 2024 12:22 PM Author: Dickey Simpkins
He should do the 10 months. He’s a thief.
He’s only sorry because he got caught.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5636568&forum_id=2#48356144) |
Date: November 19th, 2024 12:26 PM Author: peeface
So I made a big mistake
Try to see it once my way
Am I wrong?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5636568&forum_id=2#48356164) |
Date: November 19th, 2024 12:46 PM Author: ilikeithere
Even if he gets 10 months
He's only serve 65%
He probably does time at that loss amount, and serves 180 days
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5636568&forum_id=2#48356247) |
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