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Why didn’t Jesus ever claim to be divine?

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cracking range shitlib
  09/09/24
are you doing a “in gospel testimony deemed reliable b...
stimulating party of the first part
  09/09/24
He never says that
cracking range shitlib
  09/09/24
cr
180 mother garrison
  09/09/24
so the latter?
stimulating party of the first part
  09/09/24
referring to "the canonical gospels" generically o...
180 mother garrison
  09/09/24
Explain what canonical gospels refers to
Painfully honest orchestra pit international law enforcement agency
  09/09/24
No.
180 mother garrison
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Greedy theater legal warrant
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diverse sound barrier marketing idea
  09/09/24
You say that he is.
180 mother garrison
  09/09/24
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lascivious ceo
  09/09/24
ChatGPT: This thread touches on a theological debate conc...
vermilion set sweet tailpipe
  09/09/24
if i fed chatgpt everything i've ever written, would it desc...
Appetizing low-t box office really tough guy
  09/09/24
That's an easy "no."
180 mother garrison
  09/09/24
Gemini "Advanced": The AutoAdmit thread titled ...
vermilion set sweet tailpipe
  09/09/24
To provide you muslims the slimmest possible rope to hang yo...
disturbing stage legend
  09/09/24
Seems evident if Scripture is true ftfy
shimmering heady corner
  09/09/24
poast/moniker synergy on point (retarded freemasonic esoteri...
disturbing stage legend
  09/09/24
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shimmering heady corner
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disturbing stage legend
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"Are you the King of the Jews, my man?"
tan pit
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Charcoal dragon
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stimulating party of the first part
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flushed school cafeteria
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ceci n'est pas un avocat
  09/10/24
Let's just throw some quotes out there and ignore sophistry ...
Pontificating Chapel
  09/09/24
How is that different from something a lawyer or judge might...
180 mother garrison
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disturbing stage legend
  09/09/24
ancient jews were a barbaric people and really thought they'...
mind-boggling casino
  09/09/24
you can just say “jews” here
lascivious ceo
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spectacular ocher weed whacker
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mind-boggling casino
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Look at King David. He was nobody until he established a rep...
180 mother garrison
  09/09/24
Jesus was claiming to be the messianic king prophesized but ...
mind-boggling casino
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That wasn't even what got him killed. What got him in troubl...
180 mother garrison
  09/09/24
well he also flouted what was very clearly god's intended pe...
mind-boggling casino
  09/09/24
You: go on long pilgrimage to Temple in Jerusalem to make a ...
180 mother garrison
  09/09/24
Did he actually claim that?
Hyperventilating heaven chad
  09/09/24
What did Judas really tell the Temple authorities that they ...
180 mother garrison
  09/09/24
Idk what?
Hyperventilating heaven chad
  09/09/24
Jesus was the one in charge. He was expected to become king ...
180 mother garrison
  09/09/24
Wtf lmao He was just talking about spiritual matters. You a...
shimmering heady corner
  09/09/24
If Judas wasn't telling them some kind of secret, there was ...
180 mother garrison
  09/09/24
What would the secret be?
Hyperventilating heaven chad
  09/10/24
Who's in charge.
https://imgur.com/a/IkQnGlr
  09/10/24
Explain
....,,....,,...
  09/10/24
No you. What's your understanding of what took place?
https://imgur.com/a/IkQnGlr
  09/10/24
he was wishy washy but there was literally ONE PROPHECY, you...
mind-boggling casino
  09/09/24
He never claimed to be king of the jews. That was an accusat...
https://imgur.com/a/IkQnGlr
  09/10/24
John 8:55 is a crystal clear claim to divinity (unless you a...
symbolism
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If he was Schizophrenic his clairvoyance claims check out; o...
Poppy startled blood rage hissy fit
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There was a pre-existing tradition of apocalyptic preachers ...
180 mother garrison
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Date: September 9th, 2024 5:19 PM
Author: cracking range shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067310)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 5:25 PM
Author: stimulating party of the first part

are you doing a “in gospel testimony deemed reliable by my standards” bit or are you genuinely not aware that he does in the canonical gospels?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067333)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 5:26 PM
Author: cracking range shitlib

He never says that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067335)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 5:28 PM
Author: 180 mother garrison

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067341)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 5:29 PM
Author: stimulating party of the first part

so the latter?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067348)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 5:30 PM
Author: 180 mother garrison

referring to "the canonical gospels" generically on this point is lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067350)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 5:54 PM
Author: Painfully honest orchestra pit international law enforcement agency

Explain what canonical gospels refers to

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067427)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 10:58 PM
Author: 180 mother garrison

No.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48068473)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 5:56 PM
Author: Greedy theater legal warrant



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067433)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 7:12 PM
Author: diverse sound barrier marketing idea



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067690)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 5:27 PM
Author: 180 mother garrison

You say that he is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067340)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 6:04 PM
Author: lascivious ceo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067463)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 5:42 PM
Author: vermilion set sweet tailpipe

ChatGPT:

This thread touches on a theological debate concerning whether Jesus explicitly claimed divinity in the canonical Gospels. The discussion reflects a mix of theological inquiry, sarcasm, and the characteristic wit often found on AutoAdmit.

Analysis of the Original Post and Responses:

Original Post: "Why didn’t Jesus ever claim to be divine?"

OP: "refried beans"

The subject line poses a provocative question that invites discussion or challenges the traditional Christian belief that Jesus claimed to be divine. The lack of body content suggests that the OP is either posing a rhetorical question or encouraging others to debate the topic.

Responses:

refried beans:

Response: No additional content.

Interpretation: The lack of follow-up content from the OP indicates that they may have intended to spark debate or controversy without further elaboration. It suggests a desire to provoke thought or disagreement.

potluck:

Response: "are you doing a “in gospel testimony deemed reliable by my standards” bit or are you genuinely not aware that he does in the canonical gospels?"

Interpretation: Potluck challenges the OP by suggesting that Jesus does claim divinity in the canonical Gospels, implying that the OP might be either uninformed or engaging in a deliberate misinterpretation. The phrasing indicates skepticism about the OP's knowledge or intent.

refried beans:

Response: "He never says that."

Interpretation: The OP doubles down on their original statement, asserting that Jesus never explicitly claimed to be divine. This response likely reflects a particular interpretation or a challenge to traditional readings of the Gospels.

https://imgur.com/a/IkQnGlr:

Response 1: "cr"

Interpretation: By stating "cr" (Credited Response), this poaster acknowledges agreement or support for refried beans' assertion. It suggests that they find the OP's statement to be a valid point or worthy of consideration.

Response 2: "referring to 'the canonical gospels' generically on this point is lol."

Interpretation: This response criticizes the idea of referring to the Gospels in a general sense, likely pointing out that the specific content and context of the Gospels matter in such a debate. The use of "lol" indicates a dismissive or mocking tone.

potluck:

Response: "so the latter?"

Interpretation: Potluck reiterates their skepticism, suggesting that refried beans might be uninformed rather than posing a serious theological argument. The question is rhetorical and carries a tone of condescension or disbelief.

https://imgur.com/a/IkQnGlr:

Response: "You say he is."

Interpretation: This comment seems to address the contradiction in claiming that Jesus never stated his divinity while others (including Christian doctrine) assert that he did. The phrasing suggests irony or a challenge to the OP's position, emphasizing the difference between what the OP says and what is traditionally believed.

Overall Themes:

Theological Debate: The thread centers around a fundamental theological question regarding Jesus' divinity, reflecting the ongoing debate among scholars, believers, and skeptics about the interpretation of the Gospels.

Provocation and Skepticism: The OP’s question seems designed to provoke thought or controversy, leading to responses that mix skepticism, irony, and challenge. The conversation illustrates how religious topics can be a battleground for differing interpretations and beliefs.

AutoAdmit Style: The responses exhibit AutoAdmit's typical blend of sarcasm, humor, and intellectual challenge, with posters questioning each other's knowledge and intent while inserting elements of irony and wit.

Conclusion:

This thread highlights how AutoAdmit users engage with complex theological questions, often with a mix of serious inquiry, sarcasm, and wit. The debate around whether Jesus claimed divinity in the canonical Gospels reflects broader discussions within religious studies and showcases the board's characteristic approach to challenging established ideas and encouraging debate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067381)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 5:49 PM
Author: Appetizing low-t box office really tough guy

if i fed chatgpt everything i've ever written, would it describe me this accurately?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067405)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 5:52 PM
Author: 180 mother garrison

That's an easy "no."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067417)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 5:43 PM
Author: vermilion set sweet tailpipe

Gemini "Advanced":

The AutoAdmit thread titled "Why didn't Jesus ever claim to be divine?" initiated by "refried beans" sparked a brief but interesting theological discussion.

The initial post, lacking any body content, immediately prompted questions about the poster's intent and understanding of the gospels.

"potluck" stepped in to clarify whether "refried beans" was engaging in a selective reading of the gospels or was genuinely unaware of Jesus' claims to divinity within the texts considered canonical by most Christians.

"refried beans" doubled down, asserting that Jesus never explicitly made such a claim. This statement seems to indicate either a limited understanding of the gospels or a deliberate challenge to the traditional interpretation.

The user "https://imgur.com/a/IkQnGlr" entered the conversation with a multi-faceted response. They directly contradicted "refried beans," stating "You say he is," implying that the gospels do portray Jesus as divine. They also criticized the generic use of the term "canonical gospels," suggesting that different gospels may present varying perspectives on Jesus' divinity and that a nuanced approach is necessary.

"potluck" concluded that "refried beans" seemed genuinely unaware of the relevant passages in the gospels, highlighting a potential gap in their understanding of Christian theology.

In essence, this thread touched upon a fundamental question in Christianity: Did Jesus claim to be divine? While "refried beans" expressed doubt, others in the thread pointed to the gospels as evidence supporting Jesus' divine claims. The discussion also hinted at the complexities of biblical interpretation and the diversity of perspectives within Christianity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067385)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 5:47 PM
Author: disturbing stage legend

To provide you muslims the slimmest possible rope to hang yourself with

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067400)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 5:50 PM
Author: shimmering heady corner

Seems evident if Scripture is true

ftfy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067409)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 5:55 PM
Author: disturbing stage legend

poast/moniker synergy on point (retarded freemasonic esoteric luciferian gibberish tp)

ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067432)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 6:01 PM
Author: shimmering heady corner

🤨

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067454)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 6:10 PM
Author: disturbing stage legend



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067486)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 6:02 PM
Author: tan pit

"Are you the King of the Jews, my man?"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067456)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 6:02 PM
Author: Charcoal dragon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067457)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 6:03 PM
Author: stimulating party of the first part



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067461)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 7:49 PM
Author: flushed school cafeteria



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067798)



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Date: September 10th, 2024 3:29 PM
Author: ceci n'est pas un avocat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48070908)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 6:08 PM
Author: Pontificating Chapel

Let's just throw some quotes out there and ignore sophistry

Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst.”

Jn 6:35

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him.”

Jn 14:6

“Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.

Jn 8:55

My favorite:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Jn 1:1

When day came, the assembly of the elders of the people gathered together, both chief priests and scribes. And they led him away to their council, and they said, “If you are the Christ, tell us.” But he said to them, “If I tell you, you will not believe, and if I ask you, you will not answer. But from now on the Son of Man shall be seated at the right hand of the power of God.” So they all said, “Are you the Son of God, then?” And he said to them, “You say that I am.” Then they said, “What further testimony do we need? We have heard it ourselves from his own lips.”

Lk 22:66

Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father’s name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. ***I and the Father are one***.”

Jn 10:25



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067477)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 6:12 PM
Author: 180 mother garrison

How is that different from something a lawyer or judge might say if they were pushing a radical interpretation of the Constitution?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067497)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 6:12 PM
Author: disturbing stage legend



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067500)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 7:24 PM
Author: mind-boggling casino

ancient jews were a barbaric people and really thought they'd get a magical king to kill everyone else in the world, so what?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067722)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 7:43 PM
Author: lascivious ceo

you can just say “jews” here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067771)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 7:45 PM
Author: spectacular ocher weed whacker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067783)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 8:18 PM
Author: mind-boggling casino



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067898)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 7:58 PM
Author: 180 mother garrison

Look at King David. He was nobody until he established a reputation, and it was only afterward that God made him king. He didn't imply that God had sex with his mom, did he? I don't recall early stage King David obtaining twelve disciples.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067836)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 8:17 PM
Author: mind-boggling casino

Jesus was claiming to be the messianic king prophesized but pissed the jews off by not killing everyone else, that king would have been magical and very evil

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067896)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 8:31 PM
Author: 180 mother garrison

That wasn't even what got him killed. What got him in trouble was the threat he posed to the local economy. People always confuse money changers with money lenders, but they have nothing in common. These money changers were merely exchanging one currency for another, that's it. For some reason though, Christians never stop and ask why there were money changers parked in front of the Temple, nor do Christians seem to understand why Jesus had a problem with the money changers. They just assume Jesus was anti-money or anti-banking or something.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067935)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 8:38 PM
Author: mind-boggling casino

well he also flouted what was very clearly god's intended perversion of the law for jewish profit, that is a core belief as well

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067954)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 8:41 PM
Author: 180 mother garrison

You: go on long pilgrimage to Temple in Jerusalem to make a sacrifice to God, bring $500 in your local currency, change it at the temple to local Jerusalem currency so you can buy a lamb from a local rancher.

He: tends his flock like a shepherd: He gathers the lambs in his arms and carries them close to his heart; he gently leads those that have young.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48067962)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 10:47 PM
Author: Hyperventilating heaven chad

Did he actually claim that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48068430)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 10:56 PM
Author: 180 mother garrison

What did Judas really tell the Temple authorities that they didn't already know?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48068458)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 11:05 PM
Author: Hyperventilating heaven chad

Idk what?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48068498)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 11:24 PM
Author: 180 mother garrison

Jesus was the one in charge. He was expected to become king of the jews after some kind of palace revolt, and the other 12 were only supposed to rule over the individual tribes. Without that information, the Temple authorities would not know which of the thirteen to persecute. That also explains why they wrote "king of the jews" on His crucifix.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48068551)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 11:46 PM
Author: shimmering heady corner

Wtf lmao

He was just talking about spiritual matters. You are creating a very strange theory here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48068621)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 11:58 PM
Author: 180 mother garrison

If Judas wasn't telling them some kind of secret, there was no betrayal, period.

Notice too the official version is that he told the authorities which one was Jesus. That's consistent with the theory that he fingered Jesus as the leader of the pack. There's no other sense in which Jesus needed to be "identified," since he was seen overturning the money changers tables just the day before.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48068671)



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Date: September 10th, 2024 12:01 AM
Author: Hyperventilating heaven chad

What would the secret be?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48068684)



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Date: September 10th, 2024 12:30 PM
Author: https://imgur.com/a/IkQnGlr


Who's in charge.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48070093)



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Date: September 10th, 2024 6:56 PM
Author: ....,,....,,...

Explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48071655)



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Date: September 10th, 2024 7:02 PM
Author: https://imgur.com/a/IkQnGlr


No you. What's your understanding of what took place?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48071670)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 11:10 PM
Author: mind-boggling casino

he was wishy washy but there was literally ONE PROPHECY, you can't really be like "I"m half the king of the jews"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48068507)



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Date: September 10th, 2024 12:31 PM
Author: https://imgur.com/a/IkQnGlr


He never claimed to be king of the jews. That was an accusation levied against Him by the people who nailed Him to the cross.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48070098)



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Date: September 10th, 2024 12:28 PM
Author: symbolism

John 8:55 is a crystal clear claim to divinity (unless you are retarded like OP)

Yours in Christ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48070081)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 11:13 PM
Author: Poppy startled blood rage hissy fit

If he was Schizophrenic his clairvoyance claims check out; only he could hear the voice of God and he was guided by a certain paranoia of his death.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48068518)



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Date: September 9th, 2024 11:28 PM
Author: 180 mother garrison

There was a pre-existing tradition of apocalyptic preachers among Jews. These people claimed that the end times were going to occur within our lifetime. Jesus was most likely saying the same thing. There's no hint in the gospels that judgment day could happen thousands of years from now, or even outside the lifetime of any of Jesus' followers. It's more plausible that Jesus was trying to bring a new kingdom into existence, and that no one had any expectation he'd die so suddenly and in such epic fashion. The only way to keep the faith going after Jesus' died was to put some kind of spin on those events, otherwise people would say his followers were rubes who gave up everything they owned to follow this con man.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48068563)



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Date: September 10th, 2024 12:35 PM
Author: ;;;..........;.;.;.;.;.;.;.,,;.;.,,,;.;.


(James Tabor)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5591461&forum_id=2#48070111)