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UBER suing LA personal injury firms for inflated medical bills, Armenian doctors
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Date: July 21st, 2025 9:00 PM Author: insecure contagious property https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/west/2025/07/21/832621.htm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120087) |
Date: July 21st, 2025 9:02 PM Author: mahogany prole They are starting to do that in GA too. Or at least defense firms doing major third party fishing expeditions on medical providers via regular PI defense work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120092) |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 9:07 PM Author: Naked vigorous factory reset button bootlickers pls respond:
>“The company never tried a single case it now claims was fraudulent,” the law firm said. “If Uber truly believed these claims were meritless, it had every opportunity to take them to trial. It chose not to.”
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Date: July 21st, 2025 10:21 PM Author: Exhilarant idiot halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120302) |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 11:06 PM Author: Nighttime excitant mad-dog skullcap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120435) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 7:51 AM Author: Black aromatic church becky (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120832) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 10:03 AM Author: Bateful ocher double fault Jurors are dumb, News at 11 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49121200) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 10:05 AM Author: Naked vigorous factory reset button who do you think is adjudicating the instant case, dumb fuck? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49121206) |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 9:08 PM Author: irradiated keepsake machete is there such a concept in america law as "defamation of a group"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120112) |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 9:09 PM Author: Naked vigorous factory reset button emrani is one of the defendants:
DOWNTOWN LA LAW GROUP, IGOR FRADKIN, THE LAW OFFICES OF JACOB EMRANI, JACOB EMRANI, GSK SPINE, GREG KHOUNGANIAN, and RADIANCE SURGERY CENTER |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 10:23 PM Author: Carnelian sanctuary trump supporter Odd coincidence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120308) |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 9:12 PM Author: Naked vigorous factory reset button 2. Unscrupulous personal injury attorneys and corrupt medical providers in the Los Angeles area are engaged in this fraud scheme. The lawyers direct claimants to pre-selected medical providers to receive procedures for minor or nonexistent injuries. Following unnecessary and/or causally unrelated treatment, certain providers generate and submit artificially inflated bills for such treatment. These bills are issued on a lien basis. Rather than using claimants’ own medical insurance for treatment, the claimants instead enter into lien agreements with the medical providers, which grant such providers a lien on recoveries from the claim and purport to promise full payment to the medical providers in the event of a shortfall in recovery. Such arrangements are shams. In reality, the claimants’ lawyers and certain medical providers secretly enter into side agreements under which the medical providers agree to substantially discount their bills in the event that the recovery is insufficient to pay the artificially inflated medical bills. Because the side agreements are concealed, the medical bills are false and misleading. The bills are then utilized as the basis for a false and artificially inflated damages claim. 3. The secret side agreement functions as a kickback. In exchange for a steady supply of claimants from the lawyers, certain medical providers agree to surrender their lien rights. The lawyers profit because they receive priority recovery of their fees and other costs. The medical providers profit because when a claimant has a successful claim, the providers recover on most or all of their artificiallyinflated bills. And the lawyers and medical providers walk away with larger recoveries than their personal injury clients. 4. Claimants are passed along to medical provider scheme participants without regard to their need for actual medical treatment. Lawyers send claimants with no or negligible injuries caused by the purported underlying accidents to the medical providers with the foreknowledge that the medical providers will recommend and deliver a variety of unnecessary medical treatments including surgery, and will thereafter submit an artificially inflated bill, and/or recommend future surgeries with artificially inflated estimated fees. As such, it is routine for the medical providers to produce fraudulent documents diagnosing non-existent or exaggerated injuries, falsely linking these injuries causally to the accidents and then proposing and performing costly, invasive, and/or unnecessary surgeries. Together with the artificially inflated resulting bills, the attorneys use these fraudulent documents and unnecessary treatments as a basis for fraudulent lawsuits and/or claims for damages. 5. Because of such overtreatment and inflated liens held on the recovery by the various medical providers involved, the claimants themselves commonly walk away with relatively minimal recovery compared to the fees that the lawyers and medical providers receive. |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 11:09 PM Author: Nighttime excitant mad-dog skullcap This is all true, but it’s just describing Americas fraudcare system. How do you file a lawsuit against people for fraud when all they are doing is doing healthcare in the American fraud system (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120443) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 10:05 AM Author: free-loading zippy place of business alpha "I'm a kike!"
great poast |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 10:49 AM Author: Silver At-the-ready Step-uncle's House this could be a problem for some folks here perhaps (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49121352) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 11:06 AM Author: Silver At-the-ready Step-uncle's House Actually, i take it back. I don’t see a problem with that unless the doc takes his recovery and then secretly floats cash from that recovery back to the atty, which is not alleged afaik. That doesn’t mean the suit won’t be a pain in the ass and will subject defendants to close scrutiny on some cases. |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 11:11 AM Author: Naked vigorous factory reset button yeah the kickback argument is retarded. the doc is simply discounting his bills because the recovery is less than the lien. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49121423) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 11:14 AM Author: Silver At-the-ready Step-uncle's House Attys who play it safe and reduce their fee whenever CL is bound to pocket less than them from the settlement under the retainer agreement terms are completely immunized from claims about this sort of thing. Reduce your fee to match the client’s share in such situations. It’s good practice and the grace will protect you. That is all. |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 9:17 PM Author: Naked vigorous factory reset button this BU BU BUT THE PLAINTIFFS HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE argument is utterly retarded:
>25. Many of Fradkin’s and Emrani’s clients actually have health insurance. But to maximize their eventual recovery in their fraudulent lawsuits, Fradkin and Emrani steer these claimants away from medical providers who would bill their health insurance. Instead, these claimants are directed to specified medical providers, selected by the attorneys, who bill on a lien basis pursuant to a kickback scheme, in which certain medical providers agree to surrender their lien rights in exchange for a steady supply of claimants from the lawyers. These medical providers, including Khounganian and/or Radiance Surgery Center, require claimants to sign lien agreements under which the claimants agree to pay the providers from recoveries on their claims.
... so the plaintiffs rationally chose to engage in a process that gets them more money in their pockets? maybe that bc their insurance carrier would screw them |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 9:24 PM Author: Adventurous honey-headed marketing idea genital piercing I think they're suggesting that if the plaintiffs went to a real doctor the doctor would say "looks like you escaped that extremely minor accident unscathed." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120173) |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 9:27 PM Author: Naked vigorous factory reset button but see below, where they bitch that the plaintiffs get very little recovery versus the doctors. they seem to suggest the plaintiffs are getting screwed, when they're also winning (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120182) |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 9:30 PM Author: Adventurous honey-headed marketing idea genital piercing There too, I don't think they're saying that these plaintiffs deserve more compensation than they end up receiving. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120191) |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 9:34 PM Author: Naked vigorous factory reset button i know, but they're trying to portray the plaintiffs as some poor sucker victims of this criminal rico enterprise, and they're whitewashing the fact that the plaintiffs are doing better from this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120198) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 3:09 PM Author: Adventurous honey-headed marketing idea genital piercing It's very unfair when the plaintiff in a lawsuit fails to include both sides of the story in his complaint. It's prejudicial and makes the defendant seem liable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49122255) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 3:57 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle location Lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49122435) |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 9:19 PM Author: cerebral address Jewish Lawyers | Armenian Doctors | Mongolian Sushi Chefs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120155) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 8:02 AM Author: aggressive sapphire box office What is, people who reviewed Karma on Yelp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120857) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 8:05 AM Author: Naked vigorous factory reset button (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120867) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 8:32 AM Author: umber motley faggot firefighter hairy legs What is, touring crew for System of a Down? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120956) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 12:05 PM Author: Lascivious set jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49121604) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 3:25 PM Author: Fishy Mood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49122318) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 3:57 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle location (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49122436) |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 9:19 PM Author: Naked vigorous factory reset button this BU BU BUT THE LAWYERS & DOCS MAKE MORE THAN THE PLAINTIFFS argument is also utterly retarded
>bills, so the lawyers can (i) falsely claim credit for obtaining a discount on their bill and (ii) deliver a minimal recovery to clients to preserve their ability to attract more clients in the future. 29. In exchange for secretly agreeing to discount their bills, the medical providers receive a steady stream of referrals from the lawyers. The arrangement is a kickback scheme. 30. Because of the liens that Khounganian and other providers hold on their recoveries, the claimants see little financial recovery from the fraudulent cases relative to the high payouts that the attorneys, Khounganian, and other providers receive.
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note they dont say the plaintiffs would be better off not hiring a lawyer and trusting their insurance company to act in good faith to fully compensate them. |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 10:18 AM Author: Fighting mint preventive strike institution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49121257) |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 10:03 PM Author: Clear Doobsian Nibblets State California code on economic damages failed to contemplate that Medi-Cal would adjust every bill downward by 90-95%
Also insurance adjusters are assholes when clients treat through their own health insurance. They ALWAYS offer shit even with the same exact treatment because they know that the providers aren't testifying at trial and because they're huge assholes.
Asshole carriers and adjusters are the ONLY reason that the SoCal lien provider cottage industry is the biggest medical enterprise in the world |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 10:18 PM Author: irradiated keepsake machete 😂 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120295) |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 10:19 PM Author: insecure contagious property Interestingly the only case I’ve ever had with this surgeon was when my client treated entirely through Providence St Joseph’s hospital and he performed a surgery via her health insurance (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120296) |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 10:22 PM Author: Clear Doobsian Nibblets State And the adjuster offered SHIT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120305) |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 10:31 PM Author: insecure contagious property Correct you worked on that case too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120339) |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 10:53 PM Author: Naked vigorous factory reset button do you and he go to the same armenian church? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120402) |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 10:38 PM Author: thriller rehab Won’t someone think of the insurance companies (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120358) |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 10:53 PM Author: Naked vigorous factory reset button (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120403) |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 10:54 PM Author: Sable stirring house and they're gonna win (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120404) |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 11:34 PM Author: insecure contagious property I’d bet a good amount of money at even odds that they will not pay Uber a dime in this case (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120477) |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 10:56 PM Author: Naked vigorous factory reset button does uber self insure? wouldnt they have insurance policies? idg this suit in the first place
theyre not suffering damage from having to pay out allegedly inflated claims unless theyre self insuring |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 11:36 PM Author: insecure contagious property No they have policies through many insurance companies.
It’s really weird how they probably paid these firms hundreds of millions in settlements, refused to try or arbitrate any cases (knowing the risk they’ll get hit in LA) and now they’re filing this without any evidence those cases weren’t meritorious. You’d think they’d need a defense verdict or some damning evidence to back these allegations up. |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 6:56 AM Author: Naked vigorous factory reset button if they have $1M policies, how have they paid anything out in any of these cases?
sure they've paid premiums, but that's not damages -- and creates a whole issue of causation which makes this a shitty lawsuit. |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 10:36 AM Author: insecure contagious property No idea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49121312) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 12:47 AM Author: insecure contagious property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120539) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 7:37 AM Author: Nighttime excitant mad-dog skullcap if Uber isnt trying to set aside the settlement in all these cases they are alleging fraud in then this should be thrown out.
a defendant going along with the "fraud" and failing to contest it in the original case seems fatal to a secondary tertiary case about the fraud itself.
a judgment can be vacated on the discovery of fraud in the underlying proceeding but you have to submit an affidavit explaining how you discovered it, how it affected the case, why you couldn't have known about it before, etc. not sure what the standard is for settlements but its probably similar. how does Uber explain that it "didn't know" about how the PI system worked when it settled all these cases.
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 7:48 AM Author: Naked vigorous factory reset button cr, but tl;dr:
>“The company never tried a single case it now claims was fraudulent,” the law firm said. “If Uber truly believed these claims were meritless, it had every opportunity to take them to trial. It chose not to.”
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 7:58 AM Author: Burgundy big liquid oxygen nursing home Jews paying other Jews to squabble with different jews and also Armenians (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120846) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 8:02 AM Author: Naked vigorous factory reset button the perkins coie complaint masthead is a full page of jews from 5 different offices. ridiculous (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120858) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 8:07 AM Author: Naked vigorous factory reset button armenian doc has a classic , my friend look:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HgMW5aVjius/maxresdefault.jpg |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 9:52 AM Author: talking national he was my cabbie yesterday (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49121176) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 9:59 AM Author: Naked vigorous factory reset button very direct route, my friend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49121190) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 9:49 AM Author: Fighting mint preventive strike institution This is retarded. Don't settle these cases if you disagree with their damages. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49121161) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 10:10 AM Author: Nighttime excitant mad-dog skullcap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49121229) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 10:20 AM Author: Naked vigorous factory reset button (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49121267) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 10:11 AM Author: insecure contagious property Uber for years refused to try cases in LA allegedly because they didn’t want any rulings on the driver relationship with the company.
They tried one as a test case last year as the first trial and got hit for 10 million or so. |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 10:19 AM Author: Fighting mint preventive strike institution Lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49121261) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 10:22 AM Author: Naked vigorous factory reset button chandler: is this fradkin jew a baller? does cslg make more than him? than emrani? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49121272) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 10:30 AM Author: insecure contagious property My guess is that CSLG outearns both this year but in an average year Fradkin dominates. Hes only 36 and has 20 attorneys working for him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49121293) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 10:33 AM Author: Naked vigorous factory reset button does either fradkin or emrani know cslg? would they know you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49121304) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 10:35 AM Author: insecure contagious property No clue. Me and Emrani had an email dispute a long time ago, but neither of them are very public in the plaintiff bar.
I think these guys have two things in common that made them targets: 1. They both advertise to get uber and lyft cases 2. They are both highly disliked generally amongst the defense bar |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 10:39 AM Author: Naked vigorous factory reset button interesting. maybe cslg should continue to keep a low profile and stop the ego shit and trying to become a tv commentator?
why would u have a fight w a diff pltfs lawyer? |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 10:36 AM Author: Lemon erotic stock car weed whacker No-fault and car accident cases are 25% of the docket in blue states. Once we have good self driving cars and dash cams on everything the entire legal profession will basically die. It's fully a quarter of all the index numbers and even more in terms of $$$ awards. Elon Musk is going to bring about a lawyer holocaust. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49121315) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 10:37 AM Author: insecure contagious property Thank god. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49121316) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 3:34 PM Author: autistic love of her life can't wait (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49122352) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 3:05 PM Author: Fishy Mood inshallah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49122236) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 6:29 PM Author: 180 bisexual faggotry they can learn to mine sulphur on Mars (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49123094) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 10:39 AM Author: cerise vivacious tanning salon son of senegal The stuff going on in LA county is downright fraudulent and criminal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49121325) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 10:41 AM Author: Lemon erotic stock car weed whacker .... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49121330) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 11:17 AM Author: Fighting mint preventive strike institution Blame the nignog jurors. The way Uber is trying to solve their problem is completely retarded. They have dozens of better options than filing a retarded lawsuit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49121443) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 11:18 AM Author: Naked vigorous factory reset button i assume they couldnt get the state AG or feds to investigate so they had to file some stupid civil suit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49121451) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 11:29 AM Author: aggressive sapphire box office seems cr. even if the suit is a loss its a good way to expose cslg/kenny scams (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49121490) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 12:06 PM Author: Naked vigorous factory reset button tbf, expose to whom? bootlickers already think that cslg types are scammers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49121610) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 3:06 PM Author: Fishy Mood thinking that cslg and the like are some sort of defender of the common man in the system and not an integral part of why the system is fraud is peak lawyer midwit cope. insurance companies are *allowed* to get away with ridiculous shit due to the excuse that "if there's an injust result, you can just sue!" it's mutually beneficial fraud (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49122244) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 3:20 PM Author: Naked vigorous factory reset button lol @ the bootlicking stupidity to think that if u got rid of all the jewish plaintiff's lawyers like cslg and his buddies, insurance companies would pay up fairly when their insured are genuinely injured (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49122305) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 3:23 PM Author: Fishy Mood they wouldn't be allowed to exist in their current form in the first place. shitlawyers/PI is a key piece in perpetuating the current system as it's the release valve for insurance companies having very little regulation or oversight without public backlash. there's a reason why other countries don't have this problem (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49122312) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 12:00 PM Author: Fighting mint preventive strike institution Why not buy the medical licensing board and get these medical licenses stripped? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49121586) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 12:03 PM Author: Zombie-like Galvanic Heaven Indirect Expression (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49121596) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 11:35 AM Author: insecure contagious property Uber wants to let unemployable people drive 5000 pound death machines at 70 miles per hour 8 hour a day and only give them $100k in insurance coverage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49121511) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 12:08 PM Author: Naked vigorous factory reset button tbf, it's completely ridic that anyone gets to drive around a 5000 lb death machine w 30k minimum coverage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49121613) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2025 1:20 AM Author: Dave Prole Why are bottom feeding poop eaters like Fulano always talking shit in these threads (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49123902) |