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Ending clerkship with no job. How much money do I need?
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Date: June 18th, 2010 1:58 AM Author: Supple tripping garrison In August, my clerkship ends in my flyover district. I've been trying hard as hell to get a firm job or ANY job in the city I want to live in, but can't. However, I am planning on moving to that city and sleeping on friend's couches for at least a month, hoping that if I pound the pavement looking for a job I can find one.
I have about $6000 right now and will have probably about $8000 saved up by the time I move there.
How stupid is it for me to do this? This isn't the city I'm from, but it's a city I love. Do I have enough money saved to last me until I find another job? |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 2:00 AM Author: electric casino you should get unemployment after clerkship ends, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15275736) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 2:01 AM Author: Supple tripping garrison I don't think so. I'm not really sure how unemployment works, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15275747) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 2:03 AM Author: electric casino research it at your state's website. In CA, you'd get unemployment in that situation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15275762) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 2:06 AM Author: Supple tripping garrison This is CA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15275786) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 2:10 AM Author: harsh area volcanic crater this is seriously retarded dood. you need to start applying to jobs in cities you have connections to. then after 2 or 3 years, apply to CA jobs.
p.s. you want to be in san francisco rite? the bay area legal market has been FUCKED. |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 2:14 AM Author: Supple tripping garrison It's San Francisco. I *do* have connections to SF and still can't find a job there. I've applied all over the country and can't find a single job, so if I'm going to be jobless it might as well be in the city I love. Plus, I can hit the ground running once I get there, giving out my resume and what not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15275845) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 2:26 AM Author: electric casino I think you'd need to apply for unemp in the state where your current job is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15275941) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 2:27 AM Author: Supple tripping garrison The California website says if you've worked in California and another state in the last 18 months, you have to call them up. This applies to me. I'll call them in the morrow. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15275956) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 10:03 AM Author: pale fat ankles sneaky criminal You do man. It's there for the taking if your not too ashamed to take the dole. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15277051) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 11:12 AM Author: Orchid mother indirect expression Subject: siiiiiiigh I'm in a similar boat, so I feel your pain. Clerkship ends in August and still haven't found a job. Tied to one area, though and have probably sent out over 100 resumes with only one interview. Moral....clerkships really are a great experience, but they do not guarantee a job.
As for your question, $8k seems a bit low, but try unemployment insurance. I don't think my state allows it tho because we are considered "term" employees. |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 1:02 PM Author: Free-loading Giraffe Clerkship type/competitiveness/location? Stats? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15278198) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 3:49 PM Author: Orchid mother indirect expression Clerkship near a major market, but not the most prestigious in the market.
I went to a T20 school, magna, order of the coif, worked V20 for a year before clerking, old firm didn't hire back any clerks |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 6:38 PM Author: vibrant salmon lettuce did the V20 firm tell you before clerking that you couldnt come back, or did it come up...oh a few months/weeks ago when you e.g. asked about return arrangements (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15280723) |
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Date: June 19th, 2010 7:34 AM Author: Supple tripping garrison Don't qualify for Unemployment Insurance :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15284866) |
Date: June 18th, 2010 2:02 AM Author: bonkers kitty cat ticket booth what sort of clerkship? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15275752) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 2:07 AM Author: ruddy piazza psychic Flyover district + CA must be EDCA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15275794) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 2:10 AM Author: Supple tripping garrison No, I work outside of CA right now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15275816) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 11:29 AM Author: seedy rusted theater stage not sure i'd characterize edca as flyover anyway (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15277467) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 1:41 PM Author: ruddy piazza psychic I mean, you could be in Fresno. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15278491) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 2:31 AM Author: harsh area volcanic crater did you grow up in CA? go to undergrad or law school in CA?
what was your school rank and class rank? |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 2:40 AM Author: Supple tripping garrison Undergrad in CA (Bay Area). Media at T10 (class of 2009). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15276031) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 2:44 AM Author: harsh area volcanic crater why don't you go back to your 2L firm first then try to lateral? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15276070) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 2:59 AM Author: Supple tripping garrison Cold offered. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15276153) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 2:42 AM Author: canary federal shrine idiot Just move back in with parents and wait until you get a job offer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15276048) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 2:43 AM Author: Supple tripping garrison If I can't find a job in SF, this is what I'm going to do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15276054) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 2:45 AM Author: harsh area volcanic crater why aren't you willing to work in another place for a year or 2? i know you haven't gotten anything yet, but your chances of getting a job SOMEWHERE in the next year are MUCH HIGHER than getting a job in SF. you could be sitting on your ass for a LONG time if you limit yourself to just SF. what's the compelling reason for doing that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15276080) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 2:49 AM Author: bateful business firm Why not apply all over instead of limiting it to one city? No, the fact that you "love" SF doesn't really matter. You don't have a job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15276101) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 2:58 AM Author: Supple tripping garrison I've applied to every firm in NYC, Delaware, PA, Arizona, New Jersey, and California. NOTHING. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15276142) |
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Date: June 20th, 2010 12:18 AM Author: bateful business firm Holy shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15291602) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 3:12 AM Author: histrionic translucent meetinghouse median gets you District clerkship? teh fuck? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15276217) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 3:26 AM Author: electric casino back in the day, this could have been true. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15276295) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 10:00 AM Author: Rough-skinned legal warrant this thread is scary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15277040) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 10:19 AM Author: lilac comical home moral of this thread: fuck clerkships (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15277119) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 10:21 AM Author: lake stage boltzmann yeah, i think this guy should have looked into getting an offer from biglaw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15277125) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 11:38 AM Author: tan church building voyeur You are an idiot. Biglaw pulled the vest majority of federal clerk offers. Particularly crappy biglaw firms that are firing tons of people. This sucks. But there's not much he could have done to prevent it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15277514) |
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Date: June 19th, 2010 7:36 AM Author: Supple tripping garrison UUUUHHHH... I try every single day to get BIGLAW and not just in SF. EVERYWHERE. Can't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15284868) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 4:33 PM Author: Rough-skinned legal warrant yaa, it's scaring me because i'm about to start a STATE appellate clerkship. guess i'm fucked. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15279990) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 9:12 PM Author: zombie-like motley alpha no, the moral is that median is still median (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15282087) |
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Date: June 20th, 2010 10:14 AM Author: Pontificating exciting multi-billionaire I hate to say it, but I think this really is the lesson here.
If OP was in the same situation and coif, he wouldn't be having this problem. Clerking is great but law firms hire new associates based on law school grades. |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 10:30 AM Author: Exhilarant Ebony Twinkling Uncleanness Address Ok to your question. How much debt do you have? What are your expenses?
I like to have at least 6 months of bill I can pay in the bank. That gives me around 2 months to look for a job. 2 months to do some bullshit work if need be. And 2 months to freak out |
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Date: June 19th, 2010 7:37 AM Author: Supple tripping garrison Lots of debt, but it's all deferred until around December. Other than that, single male. Expenses included prescription to Xanax. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15284871) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 1:01 PM Author: Free-loading Giraffe while we're sorta on the topic, what's the SF market like? Is SV any better?
I presume it's crap, but was wondering if anyone had more details or if things are picking up |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 1:21 PM Author: seedy rusted theater stage SF's well beyond crap. market's completely fucked. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15278318) |
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Date: June 19th, 2010 8:55 PM Author: hairraiser plaza jewess LOL @ the shitty fags of SF and CA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15289845) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 1:32 PM Author: violent sandwich my clerkship ends next spring; have nothing lined up
NO ONE IS HIRING
federal jobs are impossible to get |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 2:32 PM Author: seedy rusted theater stage please describe your clerkship and stats
how many private/fed apps have you sent out? |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 3:51 PM Author: Orchid mother indirect expression Next spring?! You have plenty plenty of time. But agree that federal jobs are impossible. Only way to get one it seems is to know someone who can hand deliver your resume to the person hiring. Otherwise, USAJobs and Accuvue are total fuckies.
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Date: June 18th, 2010 6:13 PM Author: Shaky emerald codepig About to start a 2 year clerkship with district court judge in 8th Circuit. Would like to work on the west coast after, firm or federal government, don't care which. How do I avoid being these people in 2 years? I thought us attorney's jobs were relatively easy to find for federal clerks if you're not too picky on the location. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15280606) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 7:36 PM Author: violent sandwich us attorney jobs? lol good luck with that. Exactly one clerk from my entire district has gotten an offer from them in the past 5 years. They have to be hiring for one thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15281193) |
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Date: June 19th, 2010 5:26 PM Author: Shaky emerald codepig Thanks for the info. Of the two term clerks leaving my office, one is headed to a ausa job in flyover country and the other got interviewed by usaos on west coast but not hired. Apparently this is not representative.
What about FTC/DOJ (interested in antitrust)? For firms, just start sending resumes 6 mo. prior to leaving clerkship? Thanks. |
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Date: June 19th, 2010 8:16 PM Author: Rough-skinned legal warrant DOJ commonly hires fed clerks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15289442) |
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Date: June 18th, 2010 11:16 PM Author: Rough-skinned legal warrant no. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15283035) |
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Date: June 19th, 2010 7:38 AM Author: Supple tripping garrison Nope. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15284872) |
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Date: June 19th, 2010 8:30 PM Author: Provocative mildly autistic stock car mental disorder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15289584) |
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Date: June 19th, 2010 9:12 PM Author: harsh area volcanic crater why can't you do long distance? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15289994) |
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Date: June 19th, 2010 9:31 PM Author: Provocative mildly autistic stock car mental disorder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15290155) |
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Date: June 20th, 2010 12:15 AM Author: Supple tripping garrison A partner at the firm that cold offered me just let me know that I could stay in his guest house, outside of the city, for as long as it takes for me to find a job. (We got along really well and this is, obviously, a MORE than a generous offer. I wonder if I'll have to suck his cock, or something).
I'm thinking this could be good, aside from the lack of rent, because I can probably network through him. Does this change anything? |
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Date: June 20th, 2010 10:23 AM Author: Bronze nubile mad-dog skullcap move in with your parents till you get a new job. don't burn through 8k of emergency money for no reason. you're not even going to enjoy this city you want to live in while being broke (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1341903&forum_id=2#15294226) |