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Is ELI MANNING a hall of famer to you?
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Date: February 7th, 2025 8:56 PM Author: blind deaf mute i think he is for me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48635109) |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 1:32 PM Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle (πΊπΈ π΅π±) 100% for me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48636731) |
Date: February 7th, 2025 9:02 PM Author: ,.,,.,.,,,,,,..................... Yes because memories of two epic Super Bowl wins are worth a lot more than career stats. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48635141) |
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Date: February 7th, 2025 9:03 PM Author: .,..,.,.;,.,,:.,.,::,...,..,:,..;,.., Yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48635146) |
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Date: February 10th, 2025 9:26 AM Author: .,..,.,.;,.,,:.,.,::,...,..,:,..;,.., (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48641703) |
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Date: February 7th, 2025 9:12 PM Author: shitlib shibboleth No except for winning two super bowls against one of the best NFL teams ever. Based on that, he's definitely a HOF'er. As much as it pains me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48635176) |
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Date: February 7th, 2025 9:12 PM Author: ....,,,.....,,,,...., if eric allen is, then he is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48635177) |
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Date: February 7th, 2025 9:17 PM Author: Paid $5 million by USAID to remove my penis Yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48635193) |
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Date: February 7th, 2025 9:26 PM Author: Retro face diaper Yes. I think the most criteria should boil down to great success + a career you can't tell the history of the sport without substantially including. (But I also think Frank Gore should get in, and I might have a hard time making a case for him under #2. He was always just there, grinding away) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48635218) |
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Date: February 7th, 2025 9:27 PM Author: Can an HSA pay for a Hair Transplant? Not even close. He wasn't a top 10 QB in the league most of his career (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48635226) |
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Date: February 7th, 2025 9:37 PM Author: '"'''"'''"""" Flame? He was one of the top 10 greatest qbs of all time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48635258) |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 12:19 AM Author: Bob Stinson (retard). There were 10 betterQBs when he played. Romo was better McNabb n his prime was better. 2 Superbowls carry weight but Trent Dilfer one 1 too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48635558) |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 1:20 AM Author: blind deaf mute the dilfer thing is stupid. it's not just about having a sb. dilfer was 2001 ravens, right? that defense won the sb. whereas, manning's two super bowls (and there's a big difference between having two and one) were because of manning. he was sb mvp on both. and he beat tom brady including a patriots team that would have gone undefeated. his two sbs carry way a lot of weight. also, eli stats vs. dilfer stats can't be compared. eli had pretty decent stats. and he played for a long ass time and never got injured. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48635610) |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 11:40 AM Author: culturally white + white passing = white (gunneratttt) it's a shame how much superbowls matter when you're talking about individuals accolades.
if eli was a free agent heading into his superbowl season, what kind of salary could he command? which starters would be benched for him?
he was a middling QB in his prime, and if we're going talking GOAT he's not even in the top 25. if tyree's insane helmet catch didn't happen, which is how it would go 99% of the time, eli would be a bar trivia question like "did you know Peyton's brother was a QB in the NFL too?" |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 12:04 PM Author: the walter white of this generation (walt jr.) Oh well I guess in your stupid fucking counterfactual fake world Eli isn’t a HOFer then. But you should know that during the parade when NE celebrated being the goat football team of all time I snuck into your mom’s house and raped and killed her. She came. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48636484) |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 12:09 PM Author: culturally white + white passing = white (gunneratttt) pre or post mortem? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48636495) |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 1:35 PM Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle (πΊπΈ π΅π±) bro he's also one of the only qb's of all time to have never missed a game due to injury. He had something like 216 starts in a row. his post-season stats are absolutely legendary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48636739) |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 1:45 PM Author: culturally white + white passing = white (gunneratttt) https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career_playoffs.htm
LEGENDARY
he's like bottom 3 passer rating of modern era QBs. below nick foles. just like him he was a middling qb his entire career. but unlike foles eli never "got hot" during the playoffs, as the stats show. he's flacco with another ring. if you ran the 2008 superbowl 10 times the pats would win 9.
HOF = *individual* excellence to me. i concede that reasonable minds can differ here. but there are always going to be middling players, even on dominant teams. and the giants were *never* dominant. not every starter during the 49ers run in the 80s is a HOFer. |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 3:15 PM Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle (πΊπΈ π΅π±) what matters here is that eli was MVP of two super bowls against arguably the greatest team in the history of the sport. and eli was the MVP in both of those contests. I don't think an award gets anymore individualized than "MVP" but I agree that reasonable minds can differ here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48637036) |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 3:25 PM Author: culturally white + white passing = white (gunneratttt) all players in the NFL are elite and capable of being an MVP of a single game. i don't think eli's performance was MVP caliber in either SB and they almost always give it to the winning QB. but even if it was, HOF = a career of top-tier, individual performance, MVP = one game.
reflecting on this thread i do think eli should be in the HOF and am mostly irate that he is a middling QB that gets elevated because of SB wins. but if we're gonna take "HOF" literally then he is notable and famous QB. |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 3:32 PM Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle (πΊπΈ π΅π±) I similarly believe Antonio Brown belongs in the HOF because he's a retarded nigger who blew $100M and that OJ Simpson deserves HOF status for similar reasons, but that's just me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48637056) |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 4:04 PM Author: culturally white + white passing = white (gunneratttt) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48637124) |
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Date: February 7th, 2025 10:22 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, i went to Football Reference and look at his stats and the comparisons to other Hall of Famers. his stats, combined with two SB wins put him comfortably over the line. had he never reached the SB he probably would not make HoF. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48635366) |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 1:51 AM Author: .....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,; (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48635639) |
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Date: February 7th, 2025 10:23 PM Author: richard clock def not (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48635373) |
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Date: February 7th, 2025 11:34 PM Author: .,.,.;;,;.,..,:,,:,...,:::,...,:,.,.;.:...:.,:.::, in my hall of fame? probably not
in the hall of fame? yes |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 12:00 AM Author: ........,,,,,,......,.,.,.,,,,,,,,,, If everything else was equal, Eli Manning did not perform well enough over the course of his career to be in the HOF.
Eli never got a single MVP vote. The only stat he ever led the league in is interceptions (3 times). On a pure career performance level, he's below Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Brees Stafford, Rivers, Big Ben, Russell Wilson, Tony Romo, Matt Ryan and healthy Andrew Luck and Carson Palmer.
But everything is not equal, and the HOF has to take into account the real world. Eli is part of the greatest NFL family in the history of the league. He was the #1 overall pick. He lucked his way into 2 Super Bowls, beating the greatest NFL player of all time in both of them. He has gaudy stats, even if he did it in an era where everyone has gaudy stats. He did it in NYC. And post-career he's went on to be one of the most popular football personalities.
Because of that, Eli is a Hall of Famer. But he's 2 very lucky catches in Super Bowls away from being labeled the most over-rated player of all time. |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 1:22 AM Author: blind deaf mute i think this is tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48635613) |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 1:54 AM Author: .....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,; The super bowls were lucky but the first one was also a major event in the history of the sport because of the opponent and the season they had, and he threw an epic, theatrical pass to set up the win and generally played a clutch end of that game. So that one SB counts as like 3 and then he had another, which makes him like a Terry Bradshaw case (though Bradshaw also won some epic Super Bowls) and he’s objectively a much more skilled and productive QB than Bradshaw and like 85-90% of the QBs in the HOF that played before 1990. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48635641) |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 9:17 AM Author: ,.,,.,.,,,,,,..................... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cXqbqMgNoE
Eli had an epic throw and end-of-game drive in his second Superbowl win too. A lot of people forget that. His throw to Manningham in the second one was actually better than the first. He should clearly be in the Hall. |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 1:37 PM Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle (πΊπΈ π΅π±) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48636747) |
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Date: February 10th, 2025 2:18 PM Author: .....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,; CR helmet catch wasn’t impressive QB play it was just insanely consequential and historic. But I had conflated the Manningham throw and thought it was part of the end of the 2007 SB. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48643015) |
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Date: February 10th, 2025 2:30 PM Author: .,..,.,.;,.,,:.,.,::,...,..,:,..;,.., apparently they had a 300lb landwhale backup QB that went buckwild during QB pressure drills and that helped Eli pull off the helmet catch scrambling. he's det now.
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/kentucky-football/flashback-eli-manning-recalls-how-jared-lorenzen-helped-make-iconic-super-bowl-helmet-catch-play-possible/ |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 12:13 PM Author: the walter white of this generation (walt jr.) This. I don’t understand how anyone who knew a SINGLE Boston native in 2008 didn’t immediately put Eli in the hall that night. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48636508) |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 1:37 PM Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle (πΊπΈ π΅π±) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48636749) |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 8:28 AM Author: Judas Jones I’ve come around to this position. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48635957) |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 11:47 AM Author: Can an HSA pay for a Hair Transplant? This is a persuasive argument. Having said that, as a fan of another NFC East team that played Eli twice a year, nobody was ever, ever scared of Eli. You never worried about him lighting it up, only wondered whether he'd throw enough ints to make it an easy win. I just never viewed him as a great player so I couldn't vote for the guy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48636408) |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 11:51 AM Author: culturally white + white passing = white (gunneratttt) this is like journeyman nick foles being a HOFer though.
im conflicted. you play to win the game, so winning the most important game matters. but anyone, including a starting QB, can get carried to victory despite not being a top tier player.
eli sucked dick and the superbowls he won he didn't put the team on his back to win it. HOF is about individual talent. it's bonkers marino and eli are even in the same conversation. |
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Date: February 9th, 2025 11:10 AM Author: Candy Ride Eli wasn't a journeyman. He was a franchise QB for one team his entire career. Stop acting like he sucked. He was always above average. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48638811) |
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Date: February 10th, 2025 9:30 AM Author: .,..,.,.;,.,,:.,.,::,...,..,:,..;,.., Eli is nothing like Foles. Foles was an above avg backup QB that was able to take the keys to a very very good team and win a SB. Eli was a career starting QB for many mediocre/shitty Giants teams including the one that managed to beat arguably the best NFL team of all time in the super bowl. and he managed to get a second ring off the same group of assholes just to prove it wasn't a total fluke. he belongs in the HOF (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48641730) |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 12:28 PM Author: richard clock idk does a couple iconic moments make a HOFer? im not sure. on career performance Eli clearly falls short. he wasn't even amazing in those super bowls, he just had a couple iconic plays and of course got the Ws. where are you on Edelman as an HOFer? Seems like a similar case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48636546) |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 12:32 PM Author: blind deaf mute he was super bowl mvp in both (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48636561) |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 12:37 PM Author: richard clock thats just because the mvp usually defaults to the qb. his stats in the first sb were downright mediocre, second one were decent but not crazy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48636565) |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 12:37 PM Author: ataraxic his case hinges on those two moments but the significance is also not reducible to them, which is in part the gist of above post (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48636566) |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 1:31 PM Author: .,.,...,..,.,..:,,:,......,;:.,.:..:.,:,::,. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48636730) |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 6:20 PM Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,.,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,. he lucked his way into 2 super bowl mvps? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48637318) |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 3:17 PM Author: .;:..;:.;.:.;.,,,..,.:,.;....;,;;;..;,..,,.,,...., Definitely (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48637039) |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 4:06 PM Author: Candy Ride Yes but in a special ed category. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48637127) |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 6:35 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, just saw Eli on tv talking about it. handled it in a classy way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48637352) |
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Date: February 8th, 2025 7:25 PM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., a critical point is that the NFL HOF isnt MLB. MLB hof has a tradition of being rigorous. every other major sport HOF is watered down flame, and eli is no worse than plenty of other flame nfl hof'ers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5677306&forum_id=2#48637457) |
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Date: February 9th, 2025 11:45 AM Author: WikiFeet General Counsel Objectively: no.
With a different name or without helmet catch: no.
I think he’ll make it and I can see the argument for it, but he absolutely does not deserve to be a first-ballot HOFer. |