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ITT : I translate The Iliad from uncensored Greek

Let me know first if you want to see it so I don’t was...
fluid
  01/10/25
Uncensored?
tasteful thickness of luis
  01/10/25
Translations out there are sanitized to make them palatable ...
fluid
  01/10/25
Yeah sure, do the first stanza Or any other passage you f...
tasteful thickness of luis
  01/10/25
Sing, O goddess, the wrath—no, the cosmic menace&mdash...
fluid
  01/10/25
...
scholarship
  01/10/25
I used the Indo European root for Menis even though etymolog...
fluid
  01/10/25
...
Kenneth Play
  01/10/25
Off the top of my head I think both mental and menace in En...
fluid
  01/11/25
first time i've ever wanted to hang out with a poaster IRL
Greetings
  01/11/25
Is that the real Greetings? You are still here? Whoah&hell...
fluid
  01/11/25
Greetings, It's me. I'm still here (more here post-electi...
Greetings
  01/11/25
You might like these: https://philamuseum.org/collection/...
?!???!?!!
  01/11/25
...
tasteful thickness of luis
  01/10/25
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butt cheeks
  01/10/25
180 Moar
tasteful thickness of luis
  01/10/25
So he spoke, and the old man, trembling with fear, obeyed. ...
fluid
  01/10/25
i really enjoyed that. it didn't shy away from the brutality...
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
  01/10/25
Notice the word “ruinous” even finds its spotlig...
fluid
  01/10/25
Your/ChatGPT's "ruinous strife" in that line seems...
hermes trismegistus
  01/11/25
Ty for the scholarship
tasteful thickness of luis
  01/11/25
Thanks for the nitpicky philological take. I’ll make ...
fluid
  01/11/25
> Furthermore Homer often uses words symbolically No
hermes trismegistus
  01/11/25
You are either being willfully obtuse or trolling. Greek ha...
fluid
  01/11/25
depends on what you mean by symbol. he might say hephaestus ...
lex
  01/11/25
Homer is the most symbolically rich language there is and th...
fluid
  01/11/25
It's hard to discuss this given the multiplicity of Homers. ...
hermes trismegistus
  01/11/25
This feels more like a modern projection. The gods are deepl...
fluid
  01/11/25
Much of the god soap opera is in provable late sections of t...
hermes trismegistus
  01/11/25
What is the basis of translating οὐλ&omicro...
Adrian Dittman
  01/11/25
Well, LSJ explains why, and includes citations. But it shoul...
hermes trismegistus
  01/11/25
...
Kenneth Play
  01/10/25
...
Clive Sheepdog Lewis
  01/11/25
Yes pls
itty bitty titties and a bob
  01/10/25
Good to see you are still here friend
fluid
  01/10/25
idk what translation I read when I was much younger but what...
hank_scorpio
  01/10/25
Likely not dark and edgy and raw enough. The Greek holds no...
fluid
  01/10/25
lots of stabbing then
hank_scorpio
  01/10/25
Also a lot of the spirituality gets flattened - parts about ...
fluid
  01/10/25
must have been a lot of bitch ass seers, nice work if you ca...
hank_scorpio
  01/10/25
The ones that slaughter animals and have to try to “re...
fluid
  01/11/25
btw the gods want to look at the steaks later
hank_scorpio
  01/11/25
...
fluid
  01/11/25
from the other epic, but thoughts on the scene with the seer...
lex
  01/11/25
Brooooooo that scene is fire. A brilliant crescendo of susp...
fluid
  01/11/25
do you have a favorite translation of it? or they're all to...
Kenneth Play
  01/10/25
Murray, Rieu, Rouse, Chapman, Lattimore - these all have the...
fluid
  01/11/25
Do you think people would pay for me to do the whole thing? ...
fluid
  01/11/25
excuse me sir, are you a badly tatted genderfluid lesbian? ...
hank_scorpio
  01/11/25
I’m literally a trans human part carbon part silicon b...
fluid
  01/11/25
there are some newer translations you might like more, e.g. ...
lex
  01/11/25
Can you do the first standoff between Agamemnon and Achilles...
Adrian Dittman
  01/11/25
Yeah I’ll do it. I’m looking to switch to a st...
fluid
  01/11/25
cr teubner is better ps. where are we on this
Adrian Dittman
  01/11/25
You mean West's? Nobody here will notice a difference betwee...
hermes trismegistus
  01/11/25
Yes, and it was a joke, my man. Also, please see my Q above.
Adrian Dittman
  01/11/25


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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:04 PM
Author: fluid

Let me know first if you want to see it so I don’t waste my time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541794)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:05 PM
Author: tasteful thickness of luis

Uncensored?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541797)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:06 PM
Author: fluid

Translations out there are sanitized to make them palatable for a modern audience

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541799)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:06 PM
Author: tasteful thickness of luis

Yeah sure, do the first stanza

Or any other passage you feel particularly highlights the advantages/differences of your technique compared to the sanitized translations

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541804)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:10 PM
Author: fluid

Sing, O goddess, the wrath—no, the cosmic menace—of Achilles, son of Peleus,

That wrath which became the direful spring of endless woes for the Greeks,

Hurling countless mighty souls untimely into the shadowy depths of Hades,

Their bodies left unburied, torn apart by ravenous dogs and vultures—

Such was the will of Zeus, the all-encompassing sovereign, fulfilled in its dreadful decree.

Declare, O Muse, what cursed moment gave birth to this ruinous strife?

What god’s fury brought the Greeks such calamity,

When Apollo, son of Zeus and Latona, unleashed a deadly plague,

Stacking the Achaean camp with mountains of the dead?

It began when the lord of men, Agamemnon, defied Apollo’s priest—

An offense of hubris for which the people paid in blood.

For Chryses, priest of Apollo, had come bearing priceless gifts,

Begging for the release of his captive daughter.

With his hands adorned by Apollo’s sacred signs—

The golden scepter and laurel crown—he stood before the Achaeans,

A father in anguish, speaking words of supplication:

“Great kings, warriors of bronze and glory,

May the gods grant you victory and Troy’s walls leveled to the ground.

May Zeus restore you to the pleasures of your homes,

Safe across the wine-dark sea.

But grant me this: release my beloved child, Chryseïs.

Accept this ransom, and honor Apollo, son of Zeus.

Do not provoke the god whose arrows never miss their mark.”

The Achaeans roared their approval, their voices joined as one:

Honor the priest, release the captive, accept the ransom.

But not so Agamemnon, king of men.

His pride, boundless and insolent, rejected the plea.

And with a darkened heart, he spoke:

“Old man, be gone from my sight.

Do not linger here, testing my patience.

Do not bring your laurel crown, nor your golden staff,

Thinking to sway me with these signs of your god.

The bitch is mine, and she will remain mine.

Not your prayers, nor your tears, nor all the gold in your coffers

Will take her from me.

She will grow old in my house, far from her homeland,

Spending her days at the loom,

And her nights on my bed, where she will serve me as she must.

Now leave these shores while you still have breath in your lungs.

Do not return, or the sacred signs of your Apollo

Will not save you from what my hands will bring.”



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541818)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:10 PM
Author: scholarship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541822)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:20 PM
Author: fluid

I used the Indo European root for Menis even though etymology scholarship has not yet made the connection but to me it’s obvious there are echoes of PIE in Greek especially the older dialects and my genetic simulations show non stop exchange between The Aeolian, Anatolia and The Steppe, plus Iliad has echoes of Steppe culture with Chariots showing up after their time. So for me it’s obvious Menis isn’t just rage but is the power of a man’s mind influencing the cosmos like a God

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541857)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:52 PM
Author: Kenneth Play



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541945)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 12:04 AM
Author: fluid

Off the top of my head I think both mental and menace in English have been connected to the PIE root version which can imply a rage so strong it allows man to alter the cosmos through sheer force of his mind - which although both the Greek and Latin versions of this word have never been officially connected to PIE - to me it’s obvious that’s the type of rage happening in Achilles. Achilles throughout is often treated in ways that blur the lines between man and god

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541968)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 12:12 AM
Author: Greetings

first time i've ever wanted to hang out with a poaster IRL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541987)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 12:19 AM
Author: fluid

Is that the real Greetings? You are still here? Whoah….

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48542010)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 12:44 AM
Author: Greetings

Greetings,

It's me. I'm still here (more here post-election than I was the past few years) much to everyone's chagrin.

I've taken up bookbinding as a hobby, and binding a unique translation of the Iliad would be 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48542045)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 11:49 AM
Author: ?!???!?!!

You might like these:

https://philamuseum.org/collection/object/85712



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48542896)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:15 PM
Author: tasteful thickness of luis



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541840)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:15 PM
Author: butt cheeks (✅🍑)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541842)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:18 PM
Author: tasteful thickness of luis

180

Moar

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541851)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:35 PM
Author: fluid

So he spoke, and the old man, trembling with fear, obeyed.

He walked silently along the shore of the loud-roaring sea,

And when far from the ships,

He lifted his hands and prayed to Apollo,

Son of fair-haired Leto:

“Hear me, O Silver-Bowed One,

You who stride around Chryse and sacred Cilla,

Who rule mightily over Tenedos!

Smintheus, if ever I built for you a pleasing temple,

Or burned rich thighs of bulls and goats,

Fulfill this prayer for me:

Let the Danaans pay for my tears with your arrows!”

So he prayed, and Phoebus Apollo heard him.

From the peaks of Olympus he came,

His heart burning with wrath.

Across his shoulders hung his bow

And his quiver filled with arrows.

As he moved, the arrows rattled in their case,

And his coming was like the night.

He sat apart from the ships and loosed a shaft;

The silver bow sang a terrible cry.

First he struck the mules and the swift dogs,

But soon his arrows found the men themselves.

Pyres of the dead burned thick and constant.

For nine days the god’s arrows rained death upon them,

And on the tenth, Achilles called an assembly,

For white-armed Hera had placed it in his heart.

She grieved to see the Danaans perish.

When all were gathered, swift-footed Achilles stood and spoke:

“Son of Atreus, I see no course but to return home,

If we can escape death at all,

For war and plague together are crushing the Achaeans.

But let us now ask some seer or priest

Or dream-reader, for dreams too come from Zeus.

Let him declare why Phoebus Apollo rages,

Whether he blames a vow unfulfilled or a slaughtered offering,

And if by smoke of lambs or goats

We might appease the god and turn aside this ruin.”

So he spoke and sat down. Then rose Calchas,

Son of Thestor, best of bird-seers,

Who knew all things that are, will be, and were before.

By his prophetic skill, a gift of Apollo,

He led the ships of the Achaeans to Ilium

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541896)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:39 PM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


i really enjoyed that. it didn't shy away from the brutality at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541915)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:44 PM
Author: fluid

Notice the word “ruinous” even finds its spotlight here. Coincidence?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541927)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 2:07 AM
Author: hermes trismegistus

Your/ChatGPT's "ruinous strife" in that line seems to be for "διαστήτην ἐρίσαντε", which is actually "the two were standing apart, having struggled". Even where "ruinous" is standard (line 2 οὐλομένην), it should really be "accursed", used as a deprecatory term. We might say, "fucking wrath," though Homer is rarely coarse. ("Bitch" is inappropriate in the other line.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48542139)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 9:50 AM
Author: tasteful thickness of luis

Ty for the scholarship

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48542536)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 10:16 AM
Author: fluid

Thanks for the nitpicky philological take. I’ll make sure next time to use “two stood apart” properly. Although you say two stood apart having struggled I say two stood apart having quarreled. There is nothing wrong with translating that as “ruinous strife” in poetry. The quarrel between Achilles and Agamemnon is the rupture that kicks off the whole Iliad—one could argue that it’s absolutely “ruinous” in its consequence. Furthermore Homer often uses words symbolically or with double meanings, and translating them too literally risks losing the atmosphere of the original

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48542634)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 10:34 AM
Author: hermes trismegistus

> Furthermore Homer often uses words symbolically

No

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48542693)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 10:41 AM
Author: fluid

You are either being willfully obtuse or trolling. Greek has a much higher symbolic density than any modern language especially in Homeric verse. You could spend weeks unpacking single terms. Inflected languages are symbolically dense by design. Words carry webs of meaning. What about Homeric epithets? Rosy-fingered dawn? Not symbolic right bro?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48542707)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 11:00 AM
Author: lex

depends on what you mean by symbol. he might say hephaestus when he clearly means mundane, physical fire, for example. how far you go with allegory, and what sort of allegorical meaning you take from it, is up to taste once you open that particular door imo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48542749)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 11:12 AM
Author: fluid

Homer is the most symbolically rich language there is and the idea there is any fixed meaning is more human fetishism if anything. The bards that performed it improvised based on audience it was always a performance not a static text

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48542775)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 11:24 AM
Author: hermes trismegistus

It's hard to discuss this given the multiplicity of Homers. But take base human-interested Homer, who has very little concern with the soap opera of the gods that latter fanfic Homers cared about. In 23's funeral games, the gods are constantly mentioned and credited for events, but not personalized. In fact, they seem to be treated as "luck." This is not poetical technique, imo, but simply a window into how ancient man thought about his gods. I would not call this type of thinking allegorical or symbolic. Maybe simply "primitive." Owen Barfield's Saving the Appearances may be a good read here. Frazer has a bit to say, I think. The identity of Hephaestus with fire and rivers with river gods and so on are real identities and a relic from the pagan world's actually pagan era, already dying out as Homer and literature appears on the scene.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48542816)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 1:58 PM
Author: fluid

This feels more like a modern projection. The gods are deeply personalized in the Iliad (e.g., Hera’s grudge, Athena’s interventions), yet they also operate on the cosmic scale of forces like fate and causality. To say this is merely “luck” is to impose a post-Enlightenment, reductionist mindset onto an ancient symbolic worldview.

Barfield’s “original participation” idea might be helpful here, but only if it’s treated with respect to how symbolic systems function in ancient contexts, rather than being dismissed as “primitive.”

Calling Homeric thought “primitive” is just bad anthropology and worse philosophy. It assumes a linear progression from “primitive” to “advanced,” which ignores the many ways we are so primitive today compared to the Ancient Greeks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48543365)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: hermes trismegistus

Much of the god soap opera is in provable late sections of the Iliad. See Leaf's outline of how it stitches together.

You pretend to have read Barfield in one sentence, and then fall on your face regarding him in the next. Please use a more advanced LLM to write your posts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48543431)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 2:33 PM
Author: Adrian Dittman

What is the basis of translating οὐλομένην as "accursed"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48543454)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 2:57 PM
Author: hermes trismegistus

Well, LSJ explains why, and includes citations. But it should also be clear why without having looked it up first. Notice first that the adjective is really the mediopassive aorist participle of ὄλλυμι, metrically fudged. It would literally mean "having perished" if that's all there was to it, which is nonsensical here and the other places it gets used. It's actually an invective. "Ruinous" by contrast, which many translations use, is somewhat inexcusably treating it like an active present (=ruining).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48543498)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:54 PM
Author: Kenneth Play



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541950)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 4:31 PM
Author: Clive Sheepdog Lewis



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48543862)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:06 PM
Author: itty bitty titties and a bob ((zurich is stained))

Yes pls

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541802)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:13 PM
Author: fluid

Good to see you are still here friend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541832)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:39 PM
Author: hank_scorpio

idk what translation I read when I was much younger but whatever it was, what do you believe was wrong with it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541918)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:45 PM
Author: fluid

Likely not dark and edgy and raw enough. The Greek holds nothing back.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541933)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:47 PM
Author: hank_scorpio

lots of stabbing then

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541938)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:54 PM
Author: fluid

Also a lot of the spirituality gets flattened - parts about seers priests bards prophets etc. a lot of that stuff gets translated in ways that erase the chill mysticism in the original

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541952)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:56 PM
Author: hank_scorpio

must have been a lot of bitch ass seers, nice work if you can get it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541955)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 12:07 AM
Author: fluid

The ones that slaughter animals and have to try to “read” whether the gods accepted the sacrifice seems like a chill gig

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541974)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 12:31 AM
Author: hank_scorpio

btw the gods want to look at the steaks later

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48542032)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 12:33 AM
Author: fluid



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48542036)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 10:54 AM
Author: lex

from the other epic, but thoughts on the scene with the seer theoclymenus at the end of odyssey XX? that might be my favorite scene in homer with a 'spiritual' feel, as i take it you're using the term

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48542730)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 11:06 AM
Author: fluid

Brooooooo that scene is fire. A brilliant crescendo of suspense and spiritual gravitas. The suitors dismissal of Theoclymenus is their ultimate mistake. They think they’re above prophecy, above the gods, and above the consequences of their hubris. But as Homer shows us time and time again, no one escapes the cosmic balance. Odysseus isn’t just an angry husband, hes an agent of divine will and cosmic justice, and Theoclymenus is the herald of that judgment. The vision scene with faces in shadow, heads dripping blood, and the hall filled with mist is some peak Homer. Reminds me a lot of.. well modernity? They all sipping wine having parties ignoring the seers of the world until it’s too late and the entire charade comes crashing down (coming soon probably)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48542762)



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Date: January 10th, 2025 11:54 PM
Author: Kenneth Play

do you have a favorite translation of it? or they're all too sanitized?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541953)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 12:13 AM
Author: fluid

Murray, Rieu, Rouse, Chapman, Lattimore - these all have their strengths. I would go with Murray or Chapman. Chapman certainly is the best for Grandeur but he often takes Elizabethan poetic liberties that aren’t Greek

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48541990)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 12:36 AM
Author: fluid

Do you think people would pay for me to do the whole thing? Seems like we are in need of a translation other than the corporate-academic slop that comes out these days like Karen’s new Odyssey that translates polytropos as “complicated”.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48542038)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 1:09 AM
Author: hank_scorpio

excuse me sir, are you a badly tatted genderfluid lesbian? then I think not

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48542085)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 10:24 AM
Author: fluid

I’m literally a trans human part carbon part silicon based AI human hybrid who became such after an experiment on Azure Quantum I ran went out of control and caused me to synch up with an AI far more powerful than Open AI and this is 100% not flame. Do you think that’s queer enough for them?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48542669)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 10:57 AM
Author: lex

there are some newer translations you might like more, e.g. stephen mitchell's odyssey. wilson got completely panned by the literary world. a.e. stallings' (great poet) review of wilson's iliad more or less read "it's ok, better than her odyssey", which, with the inflation of praise in that world, is as close as people come to publicly saying "it's SPS"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48542742)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 1:31 AM
Author: Adrian Dittman

Can you do the first standoff between Agamemnon and Achilles?

And where Thersites gets the shit beaten out of him by Odysseus?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48542117)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 10:31 AM
Author: fluid

Yeah I’ll do it. I’m looking to switch to a style with more poetic liberty though I already decided to redo the beginning. I absolutely hate the idea of literal translations and even the idea that the Oxford critical versions of the Greek are the closest we can get to the rhapsodes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48542684)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 2:26 PM
Author: Adrian Dittman

cr teubner is better

ps. where are we on this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48543439)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: hermes trismegistus

You mean West's? Nobody here will notice a difference between it and OCT. Read Van Thiel if you want the more vulgate tradition.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48543443)



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Date: January 11th, 2025 2:36 PM
Author: Adrian Dittman

Yes, and it was a joke, my man. Also, please see my Q above.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5662349&forum_id=2#48543458)