Biden’s Family Tells Him to Keep Fighting as They Huddle at Camp David (NYT)
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Date: June 30th, 2024 4:50 PM Author: Mainlining the $ecret truth of the univer$e (We finally beat Medicare)
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/30/us/politics/biden-debate-anxious-democrats.html
President Biden’s family is urging him to stay in the race and keep fighting despite last week’s disastrous debate performance, even as some members of his clan privately expressed exasperation at how he was prepared for the event by his staff, people close to the situation said on Sunday.
Mr. Biden huddled with his wife, children and grandchildren at Camp David while he tried to figure out how to tamp down Democratic anxiety. While his relatives are acutely aware of how poorly he did against former President Donald J. Trump, they argued that he could still show the country that he is capable of serving for another four years.
Mr. Biden has also been soliciting ideas from advisers about how to proceed, and his staff has been discussing whether he should hold a news conference or sit for interviews to defend himself to change the narrative, but nothing has been decided yet.
One of the strongest voices imploring Mr. Biden to resist pressure to drop out was his son Hunter Biden, whom the president has long leaned on for advice, said one of the people informed about the discussions, who, like others, spoke on condition of anonymity to share internal deliberations. Hunter Biden wants Americans to see the version of his father that he knows — scrappy and in command of the facts — rather than the stumbling, aging president Americans saw on Thursday night.
Other family members were trying to figure out how they could be helpful. At least one of the president’s grandchildren has expressed interest in getting more involved with the campaign, perhaps by talking with influencers on social media, according to the informed person.
The anger among Democrats was made evident on Sunday when John Morgan, a top Democratic donor, publicly blamed the advisers who managed the president’s debate preparations, citing by name Ron Klain, Anita Dunn and Bob Bauer.
“Biden has for too long been fooled by the value of Anita Dunn and her husband,” Mr. Morgan wrote on social media. “They need to go … TODAY. The grifting is gross. It was political malpractice.”
He elaborated in a subsequent interview. “It would be like if you took a prizefighter who was going to have a title fight and put him in a sauna for 15 hours then said, ‘Go fight,’” he said. “I believe that the debate is solely on Ron Klain, Bob Bauer and Anita Dunn.”
Members of Mr. Biden’s family were likewise said to be focused on the president’s staff, including Ms. Dunn, a White House senior adviser, and her husband, Mr. Bauer, the president’s personal attorney, who played Mr. Trump during debate rehearsals.
They were asking why Mr. Klain, the former White House chief of staff who ran the preparations, would in their view allow him to be overloaded with statistics, and they were angry that Mr. Biden, who arrived for the debate in Atlanta with a summer tan, was made up to look pale and pallid, said one of the people, who has been in touch with several members of the family.
But the person said that the president himself was not among those who were upset and that he still trusted Mr. Klain, Ms. Dunn, Mr. Bauer and the others. Other Democrats said it was unfair to blame the staff for the president’s own failings, dismissing what they called typical second-guessing and scapegoating aimed at diverting fault away from Mr. Biden himself.
A couple of Democrats pointed out that neither family members nor other critics attended the preparation sessions and therefore had no idea how they went. One member of Mr. Biden’s circle said that no one was happy with how the debate turned out and that it was human nature to look for someone to blame.
Mr. Klain, Ms. Dunn and Mr. Bauer had no comment about the debate preparation, but Mr. Klain said that it was 100 percent certain the president would stay in the race. “He is the choice of the Democratic voters,” Mr. Klain said. “We are seeing record levels of support from grass-roots donors. We had a bad debate night. But you win campaigns by fighting — not quitting — in the face of adversity.”
He recalled a primary debate in 2019 that went badly but did not stop Mr. Biden. “It’s a tough, close campaign and he’s the person who can win it,” Mr. Klain said. “Big-money donors don’t get to dictate the nominee of the Democratic Party.”
In the days since the debate, Mr. Biden has privately and publicly acknowledged that he did not do well, and he has been calling trusted advisers like Mr. Klain; Ted Kaufman, his longtime aide and friend; and Jon Meacham, the historian and informal adviser; as well as key donors and party figures.
But two people familiar with Mr. Biden’s calls said that they were more about checking in to see what people were saying, rather than to seek advice about reassessing his future. One of the people on Mr. Biden’s phone tree said that the president wanted to keep campaigning hard to drive a contrast with Mr. Trump, a convicted felon who tried to overturn the last election and made numerous false statements during the debate.
While the campaign has forcefully rejected advice that Mr. Biden step aside for another candidate just weeks before the roll call vote to formalize his nomination, many Democrats, including some working for the president, said they did not think the door was yet closed on that possibility.
But Mr. Biden is a proud man, and they said they believed that the odds of him trying to gut it out were still 4 or 5 to 1. The only way they said they could imagine him reversing course was if he could be afforded a dignified way out in which he could claim credit for ousting Mr. Trump in 2020, restoring the country and serving as a transition to the next generation.
A new poll by CBS News found strong sentiment among Democratic voters for Mr. Biden, 81, to cede the way to a younger nominee. Forty-five percent of Democrats said they wanted a different candidate to take on the battle with Mr. Trump. Among voters overall, just 27 percent think Mr. Biden has the mental and cognitive health to serve as president, down from 35 percent before the debate.
Democratic allies took to the Sunday talk shows to defend the president. “If they weren’t engaged in a little bit of hand-wringing, they wouldn’t be Democrats,” Senator Raphael Warnock of Georgia said on “Meet the Press” on NBC. But he added, “Joe Biden has demonstrated, not over 90 minutes, but over the last four years, the character and the mettle of the man that he is.”
Gov. Wes Moore of Maryland acknowledged that Mr. Biden’s age was a concern for voters. “The number 81 is an important number,” he said on “Face the Nation” on CBS. “But so is watching historically low unemployment rates. And I don’t think that people should lose sight of that.”
Mr. Moore said he would not run if Mr. Biden did drop out. “Joe Biden is not going to take himself out of this race, nor should he,” he said. “He has been a remarkable partner.”
Former Speaker Nancy Pelosi dismissed talk of the president dropping out. “I support the Biden-Harris ticket,” she told Jen Psaki, a former Biden press secretary, on MSNBC. “I’m not abandoning Joe Biden right now, for any speculation.”
If any major discussions about the president’s future were to take place with the family, two Biden confidants said, they would not happen at Camp David, where too many people outside the family might overhear.
The family had already planned before the debate to spend the weekend at Camp David, in part to participate in a photo shoot with the veteran celebrity photographer Annie Leibovitz. It was the first time the entire family had assembled in one place since Hunter Biden was convicted of federal gun charges; he still faces sentencing and another trial on tax charges.
A senior administration official who was not authorized to detail internal conversations said there was an ongoing debate over how the president moves forward — not about dropping out, but about how best to make the case that he should not.
The version of Mr. Biden that has emerged in rallies and at fund-raisers since Atlanta is more in line with the person his aides describe — someone who is energized, emphatic and willing to keep fighting until November.
But some aides were not happy to see him relying on a teleprompter in fund-raisers, a practice pushed by advisers seeking a more disciplined approach by the president even in informal settings. One aide said that Mr. Biden had been “scared” away from a more informal approach in recent months.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548173&forum_id=2#47795455) |
Date: June 30th, 2024 5:49 PM Author: cannon
“they were angry that Mr. Biden, who arrived for the debate in Atlanta with a summer tan, was made up to look pale and pallid,”
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548173&forum_id=2#47795579) |
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Date: June 30th, 2024 5:53 PM
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That’s like .1% of the reason people thought he was shit at the debate. They would rather blame it on this than the all the other real reasons that can’t be fixed
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548173&forum_id=2#47795588) |
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Date: June 30th, 2024 8:57 PM
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Im fascinated to hear oral history of Biden's debate prep - but I think the debate preppers deserve every bit of scorn.
You have to assume he was this bad in the prep. Why did they still have him trying to recite facts?
Why didn't they pivot and try to mitigate the damage and just say generalities?
Is it that they thought the drugs would work? Or were they trying to expose Biden? Or.were they so.close to it they didnt realize how disastrous Biden's performance was?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548173&forum_id=2#47796060)
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Date: June 30th, 2024 9:07 PM Author: MASE Subject: From WaPo
Biden’s aides over the years have developed a tested formula to prepare him for debates, a process overseen by Ron Klain, his first White House chief of staff and longtime debate guru for Democratic presidential candidates. Early in the process, Biden will often meet with Klain one-on-one or with a small group of aides to practice answers, sometimes writing his favorite responses on notecards — his way, aides say, of clarifying his thinking.
Aides who work on specific topic areas, such as national security or the economy, will join the prep for sessions focusing on those topics. Finally, Biden will partake in mock debates, designed to mimic the actual event as closely as possible.
At Camp David, Biden participated in several such mock sessions, held in a movie theater and airplane hangar outfitted to resemble the CNN studio. They were held at various times of day, including at night when Biden sometimes seems to flag and when the debate was to be held, officials said.
Some Biden officials speculated that the president was overprepared by days of lengthy prep sessions and got inside his own head. Others lamented that too many aides were part of the preparations, noting that the White House distributed a list of 18 officials who accompanied the president to Camp David, and that did not even include everyone who was involved.
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So aides were bewildered by his performance. Many felt they had never seen him collapse so dramatically. After all, Biden was a veteran of numerous debates — as a senator, vice-presidential nominee and presidential candidate. And they did not understand why he gave an entirely different answer on the age question than the one they spent more than a week perfecting.
The president did not just stumble over words. He appeared to lose his focus and often was unable to finish sentences. His voice was raspy and thin, and when the debate concluded, first lady Jill Biden appeared to help her husband down the stairs.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548173&forum_id=2#47796096)
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Date: June 30th, 2024 9:14 PM
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So they're delusional. There's no way he was doing good in prep
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548173&forum_id=2#47796112) |
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Date: June 30th, 2024 9:24 PM
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I expect it’s the thing where you say something and the boss agrees with you and you assume he fully comprehended what you said and internalized it, but in reality he was confused by you and just agreed because he didn’t want to look stupid in front of his subordinates. Seen this happen in my work dozens of times with much less cognitively diminished dudes in their late 50s and 60s. I expect it happened like 300x or more in that week of debate prep. Also, he was pretty clearly on tilt after he botched the first question. He was probably terrible but not too far off what they know as “normal” in his day to day ability to converse in meetings. So you’re right they are deluded, but he likely also sucked even harder than they realized he was capable of sucking. If he was doing that in debate prep and they let it happen they were either trying to get fired or trying to sabotage him.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548173&forum_id=2#47796139) |
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Date: July 1st, 2024 6:09 PM Author: Cokehead criminal Carrying a Colt Cobra (SSPX Masterman)
I did better than this with 15 minutes of seventh grade debate training. What a fucking retard.
"So aides were bewildered by his performance. Many felt they had never seen him collapse so dramatically. After all, Biden was a veteran of numerous debates — as a senator, vice-presidential nominee and presidential candidate."
It's because he's older and more deteriorated now you fucking geniuses.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548173&forum_id=2#47799272) |
Date: June 30th, 2024 9:52 PM Author: Evolved position on genital mutilation of children
Live feed from Biden Press conference
https://youtu.be/Rg_teqyLNOs?si=-28aemkXiYT7DOGr
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548173&forum_id=2#47796199) |
Date: June 30th, 2024 10:07 PM
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*turns to Hunter Biden for sound advice*
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548173&forum_id=2#47796236) |
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