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Seriously, being an engineer is the best career for normal peopl

Seriously, work on cool shit, make good pay, and work normal...
Jet Startled Pozpig
  03/08/10
Law students are lazy. They've majored in shit-degrees and h...
abnormal tank trump supporter
  03/08/10
you will love it when a lawyer patents your invention you wo...
Pale thriller plaza
  03/08/10
Don't forget the sales guys making 2x for the shit you desig...
180 pea-brained menage
  03/08/10
+1 to that. where is the incentive to be a good engineer? i...
Pale thriller plaza
  03/08/10
The fact that salesmen are grossly overpaid and engineers ar...
beady-eyed location
  03/08/10
this schtick is annoying as fuck. the US isn't special, the...
Racy Kitty Degenerate
  03/08/10
...
mentally impaired irradiated principal's office electric furnace
  03/08/10
engineering is gr8t for IT consulting. You'll work biglaw hr...
abnormal tank trump supporter
  03/08/10
is this from the same people that brought you "Everyone...
Self-absorbed Area
  03/08/10
i thought the knock was that they don't make as much as lawy...
Flesh Haunting Famous Landscape Painting
  03/08/10
cr on all points. There is so much fucking math it drove me ...
Aqua Ungodly Boistinker Locale
  03/08/10
...
mentally impaired irradiated principal's office electric furnace
  03/08/10
lol
180 pea-brained menage
  03/08/10
lol
180 pea-brained menage
  03/08/10
t only cr
Odious national mood
  03/08/10
to be fair, a good portion of engineering jobs are 8-5 with ...
180 pea-brained menage
  03/08/10
"About the same pay" WTF?
Big-titted corner pocket flask
  03/08/10
lol
Olive Potus Range
  03/08/10
lol law school sucks so much and this 22 year old engineer a...
Jet Startled Pozpig
  03/08/10
how can people here have such lability regarding career ambi...
Flesh Haunting Famous Landscape Painting
  03/08/10
lability?
Dashing Disrespectful School
  03/08/10
it means, like, being susceptible to change.
Flesh Haunting Famous Landscape Painting
  03/08/10
i don't think it's the same poster, unless you're name is jo...
180 pea-brained menage
  03/08/10
(blue smoke)
titillating high-end stock car juggernaut
  03/08/10
because most xo posters are miserable and never happy with a...
Racy Kitty Degenerate
  03/08/10
the problem is that we're constantly exposed to new informat...
frisky floppy laser beams
  03/08/10
no shit, the fact that you whine and constantly think about ...
Racy Kitty Degenerate
  03/08/10
how is this possible? we're natural analysts who over think ...
frisky floppy laser beams
  03/08/10
"normal" people don't have the intelligence to be ...
Gold zombie-like ladyboy
  03/08/10
i'm engineer. I'm NOT smart. But i'll out work any tool in e...
abnormal tank trump supporter
  03/08/10
tell that to a regular 100 IQ american who barely passed hig...
Gold zombie-like ladyboy
  03/08/10
my lil bro is looking for a job right. just graduated too ...
multi-colored hall immigrant
  03/08/10
tell him to: 1. take patent bar (use PLI - will pass on f...
abnormal tank trump supporter
  03/08/10
I told him this but he doesnt want to go to LS. He passed...
multi-colored hall immigrant
  03/08/10
fuck..so he wants to be an actual engineer. you know what fi...
abnormal tank trump supporter
  03/08/10
i think power
multi-colored hall immigrant
  03/08/10
the big power cos usually have rotational programs. I hear t...
abnormal tank trump supporter
  03/08/10
is your firm hiring?
Cocky Stubborn Stage Associate
  03/08/10
ee?
abnormal tank trump supporter
  03/08/10
ya
Cocky Stubborn Stage Associate
  03/08/10
Power Distribution or Power Generation?
180 pea-brained menage
  03/08/10
it's probably a good career for quantitative aspies.
frisky floppy laser beams
  03/08/10
No, it really isn't. At least, not if you want to live in th...
Olive Potus Range
  03/08/10
what about govt engineers?
frisky floppy laser beams
  03/08/10
lol @ the concept of a non-socially awkward engineer
Fighting Gay Point
  03/08/10
lol @ the concept of a non-socially awkward lawyer
Jet Startled Pozpig
  03/08/10
lol, engineer
Fighting Gay Point
  03/08/10
Nurse is better. Better pay. Better job security. Better ...
excitant ultramarine dilemma corn cake
  03/08/10
nurses earn more than engineers?
Electric hyperactive cruise ship
  03/08/10
some
Ivory Dead Goal In Life Nursing Home
  03/08/10
start at 50-55k (same as engineers, by the way) after 3 yea...
excitant ultramarine dilemma corn cake
  03/08/10
Nobody bothered to tell you that those 3 12 hour shifts were...
Aqua Ungodly Boistinker Locale
  03/08/10
lol. they can be 8am to 8pm as well. You don;t spend your wh...
excitant ultramarine dilemma corn cake
  03/08/10
Nah man, it's really not that great. Every nurse I've met ei...
Aqua Ungodly Boistinker Locale
  03/08/10
Interesting. The nurses I knew in California had a completel...
excitant ultramarine dilemma corn cake
  03/08/10
those are great hours
talking hominid
  03/08/10
Also nurses are betas. Engineers at least have the potential...
Jet Startled Pozpig
  03/08/10
lol. Engineers are alphas? how many engineers have you met i...
excitant ultramarine dilemma corn cake
  03/08/10
lol +1. engineer = as beta as you can get. at least nurses...
Pale thriller plaza
  03/08/10
lol @ a "male" nurse.
Fighting Gay Point
  03/08/10
fair.
excitant ultramarine dilemma corn cake
  03/08/10
It sucks that there is so much prejudice against men in cert...
Maroon Charismatic Personal Credit Line Mad-dog Skullcap
  03/08/10
Nursing is not great dude, trust me. Only credited nursing j...
Hairraiser Wagecucks Generalized Bond
  03/08/10
because it involves touching human feces more often than not...
Olive Potus Range
  03/08/10


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Date: March 8th, 2010 3:58 PM
Author: Jet Startled Pozpig

Seriously, work on cool shit, make good pay, and work normal hours.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333228)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:15 PM
Author: abnormal tank trump supporter

Law students are lazy. They've majored in shit-degrees and have a very skewed view on life. In law school we were always told everyone here is smart.

Umm...that's BS. If you majored in clasics/history/poli and end up with a 3.8 your ass is NOT smart. STFU.

The students who do well are the hardest working. If anything, law school is the great equalizer because you have engineers (who innately work harder) paired with the bs major types. Typically an engineer will win that battle, not becuase he is per-se smarter, but just more responsonsible/efficient/hardworking.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333344)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:32 PM
Author: Pale thriller plaza

you will love it when a lawyer patents your invention you worked so hard on so that u can get your TTT salary and the law firm + corporation makes bonus/profits.

PS this is why i quit engineering. no proper rewards for hard work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333456)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:34 PM
Author: 180 pea-brained menage

Don't forget the sales guys making 2x for the shit you design

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333470)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:40 PM
Author: Pale thriller plaza

+1 to that. where is the incentive to be a good engineer? it is only a good career if you don't care about money and happen to love tech. else go sales or something else

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333517)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:44 PM
Author: beady-eyed location

The fact that salesmen are grossly overpaid and engineers are grossly underpaid will be the death of the US.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333554)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:46 PM
Author: Racy Kitty Degenerate

this schtick is annoying as fuck. the US isn't special, there are business tools in every country making more than those poor, pitiful (lol) engineers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333560)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 6:06 PM
Author: mentally impaired irradiated principal's office electric furnace



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14334212)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:41 PM
Author: abnormal tank trump supporter

engineering is gr8t for IT consulting. You'll work biglaw hrs for half the pay though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333533)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 3:59 PM
Author: Self-absorbed Area

is this from the same people that brought you "Everyone is College Material!" and "Law School: It's Just Like Legally Blonde!"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333234)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 3:59 PM
Author: Flesh Haunting Famous Landscape Painting

i thought the knock was that they don't make as much as lawyers and all the jobs are getting outsourced. plus it's hard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333236)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:05 PM
Author: Aqua Ungodly Boistinker Locale

cr on all points. There is so much fucking math it drove me insane and led me to shun the protractor for the briefcase.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333277)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 6:07 PM
Author: mentally impaired irradiated principal's office electric furnace



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14334233)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:06 PM
Author: 180 pea-brained menage

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14334924)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 3:59 PM
Author: 180 pea-brained menage

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333238)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:01 PM
Author: Odious national mood

t only cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333251)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:03 PM
Author: 180 pea-brained menage

to be fair, a good portion of engineering jobs are 8-5 with the occasional work on weekends or long nights. The OP is right on that. Definitely better than law in that regard, but so are many professions.

You might as well have become a teacher, nurse, or cop. About the same pay + union benefits, but training is exponentially easier

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333263)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 11:31 PM
Author: Big-titted corner pocket flask

"About the same pay"

WTF?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14337900)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:01 PM
Author: Olive Potus Range

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333252)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:03 PM
Author: Jet Startled Pozpig

lol law school sucks so much and this 22 year old engineer already has a better life then me lololol so funny!!!!!!!!!!!!1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333260)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:07 PM
Author: Flesh Haunting Famous Landscape Painting

how can people here have such lability regarding career ambitions? how do you go from being the sort of person who went to law school to the sort of person who should have become an engineer -- no, wait, a doctor, no wait, a schoolteacher, no wait, a Chick Fil-A owner.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333290)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:09 PM
Author: Dashing Disrespectful School

lability?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333305)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:11 PM
Author: Flesh Haunting Famous Landscape Painting

it means, like, being susceptible to change.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333314)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:11 PM
Author: 180 pea-brained menage

i don't think it's the same poster, unless you're name is joires

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333315)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:17 PM
Author: titillating high-end stock car juggernaut

(blue smoke)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333353)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:44 PM
Author: Racy Kitty Degenerate

because most xo posters are miserable and never happy with any decision they make, in case you havent noticed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333556)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:50 PM
Author: frisky floppy laser beams

the problem is that we're constantly exposed to new information that calls our old decisions into question.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333578)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:51 PM
Author: Racy Kitty Degenerate

no shit, the fact that you whine and constantly think about this is why you're miserable. gtfoi you pansy faggots

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333585)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:55 PM
Author: frisky floppy laser beams

how is this possible? we're natural analysts who over think everything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333613)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:18 PM
Author: Gold zombie-like ladyboy

"normal" people don't have the intelligence to be an engineer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333358)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:24 PM
Author: abnormal tank trump supporter

i'm engineer. I'm NOT smart. But i'll out work any tool in every given week.

intelligence is an excuse for hardwork. STFU

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333403)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 5:50 PM
Author: Gold zombie-like ladyboy

tell that to a regular 100 IQ american who barely passed high school algebra.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14334090)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:21 PM
Author: multi-colored hall immigrant

my lil bro is looking for a job right. just graduated too

he did ee

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333382)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:23 PM
Author: abnormal tank trump supporter

tell him to:

1. take patent bar (use PLI - will pass on first attempt unless he's a lazy fuck)

2. Go to LS (T1 only)

3. PROFIT

You're welcome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333397)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:26 PM
Author: multi-colored hall immigrant

I told him this but he doesnt want to go to LS.

He passed his engineer in training test

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333418)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:28 PM
Author: abnormal tank trump supporter

fuck..so he wants to be an actual engineer. you know what field.

if it is semiconductor then he should NOT change course. I repeat, if semiconductor -- STAY PUT.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333440)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:32 PM
Author: multi-colored hall immigrant

i think power

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333462)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:37 PM
Author: abnormal tank trump supporter

the big power cos usually have rotational programs. I hear they are competitive, but he should gun for those. They tend to lead into mgt.

But IRL if he only has bs and actually wants to do engineering he'll be happier as a patent pro or getting masters. I do more more engineering now as I did as an engineer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333502)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:41 PM
Author: Cocky Stubborn Stage Associate

is your firm hiring?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333525)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:42 PM
Author: abnormal tank trump supporter

ee?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333536)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:44 PM
Author: Cocky Stubborn Stage Associate

ya

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333555)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:43 PM
Author: 180 pea-brained menage

Power Distribution or Power Generation?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333550)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:34 PM
Author: frisky floppy laser beams

it's probably a good career for quantitative aspies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333472)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:43 PM
Author: Olive Potus Range

No, it really isn't. At least, not if you want to live in the U.S.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333549)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 4:46 PM
Author: frisky floppy laser beams

what about govt engineers?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333561)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 5:05 PM
Author: Fighting Gay Point

lol @ the concept of a non-socially awkward engineer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14333694)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 5:49 PM
Author: Jet Startled Pozpig

lol @ the concept of a non-socially awkward lawyer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14334087)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 6:55 PM
Author: Fighting Gay Point

lol, engineer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14334747)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 6:54 PM
Author: excitant ultramarine dilemma corn cake

Nurse is better.

Better pay.

Better job security.

Better hours.

Can live anywhere.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14334742)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 6:58 PM
Author: Electric hyperactive cruise ship

nurses earn more than engineers?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14334809)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:00 PM
Author: Ivory Dead Goal In Life Nursing Home

some

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14334838)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:05 PM
Author: excitant ultramarine dilemma corn cake

start at 50-55k (same as engineers, by the way)

after 3 years and establishing themselves in a specialty, they can join a traveling nurse program and earn over $30/hour AND get housing paid for.

and live anywhere in the country

GREAT job.

ALSO, only work 3, 12 hour days per week.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14334918)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:08 PM
Author: Aqua Ungodly Boistinker Locale

Nobody bothered to tell you that those 3 12 hour shifts were 8PM to 8AM though, so enjoy spending your days off sleeping and being 12 hours off from anyone with a social life.

Also, have fun being covered in shit, blood, piss, and vomit. I'd rather have shitlaw than shit on me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14334956)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:12 PM
Author: excitant ultramarine dilemma corn cake

lol. they can be 8am to 8pm as well. You don;t spend your whole career working night shift. You may rotate around a bit... it is not even true that new nurses spend their whole first 3 years working night shifts. Sounds like you actually have no idea what you are talking about... which I suppose is par for course here.

And the many nurses I know have pretty awesome social lives... certainly much better than big law attorneys who work 12 hours 6 days a week. Your days off are awesome.... can even set up 4 day weekend trips.

As for the gross stuff... well, yeah... that is the trade off.

My point is that it is a great career option that should be considered more seriously.

Also, it is probably the BEST option for someone who will ONLY get an undergrad degree.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14335012)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:14 PM
Author: Aqua Ungodly Boistinker Locale

Nah man, it's really not that great. Every nurse I've met either went on to med school or started teaching because it sucked so bad. They never worked a 3 day workweek in their lives, and got paid shit all for it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14335038)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:16 PM
Author: excitant ultramarine dilemma corn cake

Interesting. The nurses I knew in California had a completely different experience.

They could earn 80-90k 3-4 yrs out of school and could live where ever they wanted.

Are you sure you are talking about RNs and not just NPs?

ALL of the nurses I knew worked 3 day work weeks... except for clinic work where it was 5 days, 8 hour days (and no bodily fluids). where did these people work?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14335075)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:17 PM
Author: talking hominid

those are great hours

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14335087)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:00 PM
Author: Jet Startled Pozpig

Also nurses are betas. Engineers at least have the potential to be alpha

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14334837)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:06 PM
Author: excitant ultramarine dilemma corn cake

lol. Engineers are alphas? how many engineers have you met in your life?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14334927)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 11:45 PM
Author: Pale thriller plaza

lol +1. engineer = as beta as you can get. at least nurses get paid what their worth/capable of. engineers have way more financial potential than they live up to

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14338107)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:14 PM
Author: Fighting Gay Point

lol @ a "male" nurse.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14335039)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:16 PM
Author: excitant ultramarine dilemma corn cake

fair.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14335077)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 11:17 PM
Author: Maroon Charismatic Personal Credit Line Mad-dog Skullcap

It sucks that there is so much prejudice against men in certain professions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14337706)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 11:28 PM
Author: Hairraiser Wagecucks Generalized Bond

Nursing is not great dude, trust me. Only credited nursing job is CRNA, everything else, especially if your an intelligent male you wouldnt want to do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14337871)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 11:34 PM
Author: Olive Potus Range

because it involves touching human feces more often than not?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244845&forum_id=2#14337933)