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How does 'subject to the jx thereof' argument vs birthright work w/o immunity

'Jurisdiction' is the power a government has to bind a perso...
My xo friends have enriched me tremendously.
  11/07/24
That's very pre-2025 thinking.
sph
  11/07/24
we noo skool
TRUMP cheeks
  11/07/24
but under that rational anyone who is physically present in ...
UhOh
  11/07/24
To exclude children of Natives (before the Indian Citizenshi...
My xo friends have enriched me tremendously.
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Could Indians be tried if they committed murder on a white g...
ceci n'est pas un avocat
  11/07/24
I think the argument is that “jurisdiction” for ...
TRUMP cheeks
  11/07/24
When Wong Kim Ark was decided, resident aliens weren't regis...
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Date: November 7th, 2024 11:16 AM
Author: My xo friends have enriched me tremendously.

'Jurisdiction' is the power a government has to bind a person or thing to its judgment. This understanding of jurisdiction is why diplomats don't get citizenship at birth: no jurisdiction.

Obviously the position isn't that foreigners are immune to the jurisdiction of American courts and that one's sole remedy against an illegal alien is to deport them, even if they're, e.g., a terrorist. So how does this work as a legal argument, as opposed to just something you want to happen REALLY REALLY BAD?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5629457&forum_id=2#48305429)



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Date: November 7th, 2024 11:21 AM
Author: sph

That's very pre-2025 thinking.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5629457&forum_id=2#48305458)



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Date: November 7th, 2024 11:22 AM
Author: TRUMP cheeks (🍑 Pronouns: Ausländer/Raus döp dödö döp)

we noo skool

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5629457&forum_id=2#48305461)



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Date: November 7th, 2024 11:22 AM
Author: UhOh

but under that rational anyone who is physically present in the country is under jurisdiction, so what's the point of even mentioning it? it has to mean something other than subject to american law, and according to the dude who wrote it it meant national allegiance. the point was to make stateless former slaves citizens, not to allow citizens of other countries to make baby americans. those babies are already citizens of their parents' country.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5629457&forum_id=2#48305462)



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Date: November 7th, 2024 11:26 AM
Author: My xo friends have enriched me tremendously.

To exclude children of Natives (before the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924) and diplomats.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5629457&forum_id=2#48305483)



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Date: November 7th, 2024 12:21 PM
Author: ceci n'est pas un avocat

Could Indians be tried if they committed murder on a white guy in 1865? I assume the answer is yes but I might be wrong. Would we have had to remand them to a trial court?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5629457&forum_id=2#48305722)



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Date: November 7th, 2024 11:24 AM
Author: TRUMP cheeks (🍑 Pronouns: Ausländer/Raus döp dödö döp)

I think the argument is that “jurisdiction” for migration purposes is different to Jx for crim law purposes, and if you’re here outside of lawful channels you are outside the Jx thereof for migration purposes

I don’t know how the court would decide but I am confident that it didn’t decide this in Wong Kim Ark

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5629457&forum_id=2#48305474)



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Date: November 7th, 2024 11:33 AM
Author: My xo friends have enriched me tremendously.

When Wong Kim Ark was decided, resident aliens weren't registered with the government and one became a 'resident alien' by just moving to the country. The only equivalent was registration of one's intent to become a citizen, which wasn't required under Wong Kim Ark, and he wouldn't have qualified to file one if he wasn't a citizen because he wasn't white. The specific categories exempted were enumerated:

(1) children of foreign sovereigns or their ministers, or

(2) born on foreign public ships, or

(3) of enemies within and during a hostile occupation of part of our territory, and

(4) the single additional exception of children of members of the Indian tribes owing direct allegiance to their several tribes

Because the term 'resident alien' included those categories, and those were merely an exception, the use of the term 'resident alien' to refer to 'legal permanent resident' status as it now exists would be a pretty fanciful extension of the concept. I suppose you could call it part of a hostile occupation, but I don't think even Thomas would go for that. Someone who gets an ITIN and re-shingles roofs for pay, subject to the effective jurisdiction of civilian courts, is clearly not a soldier of a foreign country occupying a part of the United States.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5629457&forum_id=2#48305525)