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Date: September 8th, 2011 9:27 PM Author: marvelous plaza http://www.law.georgetown.edu/faculty/facinfo/files/katyal.nov2008.resumeweb2.pdf
He even had the privilege to work with John Roberts as a law student. How many of you faggots can claim that honor? How many can list such prestigious references as Akhil Amar, Eric Holder, or Bruce Fuckin Ackerman? Lol @ you.
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Date: September 8th, 2011 9:27 PM Author: razzle space Fuck my ass, brother. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935108) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 9:28 PM Author: marvelous plaza What's wrong, brother? Are you crying of jealously? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935117) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:41 PM Author: disrespectful sienna kitty i love his references. mine are like, my landlady. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935653) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 9:29 PM Author: tantric ultramarine place of business jap didn't even graduate summa. LOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935118) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 9:32 PM Author: marvelous plaza Probably didn't feel like the need to list it. Plus, pretty sure he wouldn't have been summering at Horgan Lovells without top grades. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935143) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 9:33 PM Author: tantric ultramarine place of business jap he listed magna (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935147) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 9:36 PM Author: marvelous plaza (Jealous, jobless GW Law grad) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935168) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 4:13 PM Author: marvelous plaza At the tender age of 41, Neal Katyal already has scaled some impressive heights: Supreme Court clerk; tenured professor at Georgetown Law in his early 30s, among the youngest in school history; Solicitor General from May 2010 until June of this year, when he decided to leave for private practice.
He has 15 Supreme Court arguments under his belt, including Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, in which the high court sided with him in finding that military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba violated the constitutional separation of powers. Katyal’s newest chapter begins today, when he joins Hogan Lovells as a partner in its appellate practice. Here’s an edited summary of our discussion with Katyal about his new assignment: |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 5:58 PM Author: ruddy mad-dog skullcap A bit douchy to put that reference in about working with Roberts when you are a summer. Does everyone who summers at Wilson Sonsini say they "worked with" Larry Sonsini on their resume? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939718) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 6:40 PM Author: marvelous plaza Don't fault him too much. Any reasonable prestige-whore would put that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939898) |
Date: September 8th, 2011 9:31 PM Author: stirring ruby chapel boistinker Almost as prestigious as Brian Leiter. Almost. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935134) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 9:36 PM Author: marvelous plaza Leiter went to Michigan. Katyal went to Yale. Clear winner faggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935165) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 9:36 PM Author: stirring ruby chapel boistinker PhD in fucking nietzsche studies, bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935169) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 9:37 PM Author: marvelous plaza LOL!
Did Leiter ever serve as Acting Solicitor General? Did he clerk for a SCOTUS Justice? |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 9:39 PM Author: stirring ruby chapel boistinker No. Instead he verbally spars with the most prestigious legal minds on the internet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935192) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 9:43 PM Author: marvelous plaza Link for the lulz (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935228) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 9:50 PM Author: stirring ruby chapel boistinker http://jonrowe.blogspot.com/2005/07/leiter-outs-burton-i-obviously-respect.html (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935272) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 9:52 PM Author: marvelous plaza Hey thanks. I'm not sure I understand entirely what is going on--y did Leiter out his "Friend"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935284) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:00 PM Author: stirring ruby chapel boistinker It's all part of the legal scholarship game. A former colleague disparaged Leiter's propensity for ad hominem attacks in a blog post and Leiter outed him in the comments. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935339) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:07 PM Author: marvelous plaza Damn... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935387) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 9:32 PM Author: appetizing drab stage rofl he doesn't even have an llm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935140) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 9:32 PM Author: Indecent vibrant ceo no closing paren on the john roberts note. ding, fag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935142) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 9:35 PM Author: marvelous plaza LOL! I noticed that too. Prolly secretarial oversight. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935162) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 9:37 PM Author: Irradiated Abnormal Pistol Boltzmann Also, looks like he was at DOJ during key planning stages of 9/11, but did nothing to stop it. Why does he hate are country? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935183) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 9:40 PM Author: marvelous plaza Ya, as a student intern he could a whole alot.
Are you jealous of his credentials? |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 9:42 PM Author: Irradiated Abnormal Pistol Boltzmann No, I'm pissed he sat idly by while terrorists plotted to kill thousands of my countrymen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935218) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 9:43 PM Author: marvelous plaza Are you jealous of his prestige, brother? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935231) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 9:42 PM Author: marvelous plaza Ya, as a student intern he could a whole alot.
Are you jealous of his credentials? |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:24 PM Author: Abusive up-to-no-good rehab toaster Took are jerbs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935497) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 9:24 AM Author: autistic passionate mood cr. [HR Senior Executive throws resume in the trash] |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 9:37 PM Author: mind-boggling cream regret preftigious bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935177) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 9:39 PM Author: mentally impaired cordovan box office new version ah, yes, towards an international separation of powers. hmmmmmm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935195) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 9:43 PM Author: marvelous plaza U jealous? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935226) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:01 PM Author: bronze adulterous bawdyhouse since you've responded with this so many times, it kinda sounds like you are (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935348) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:17 PM Author: marvelous plaza Are you? Yes or no? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935453) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:11 PM Author: Motley Factory Reset Button Gunner All that prestige and he still works at a Law Center... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935415) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:17 PM Author: marvelous plaza LOL!!!
Which law school best fits his prestige? |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:18 PM Author: Motley Factory Reset Button Gunner T4-T10 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935462) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:19 PM Author: marvelous plaza Michigan or Chicago? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935466) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:22 PM Author: Motley Factory Reset Button Gunner tbf, probably penn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935482) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:44 PM Author: marvelous plaza Why not U of M or Chitown law? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935668) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:52 PM Author: Motley Factory Reset Button Gunner not ivy league (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935721) |
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Date: September 10th, 2011 12:48 PM Author: marvelous plaza true (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18943919) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:18 PM Author: Pearly floppy potus lol is he one of your professors in your shitlaw llm? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935456) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:19 PM Author: marvelous plaza It sounds like your envious of his prestige? I'm pretty sure he'd be generous and share some. *SIKE* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935464) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:24 PM Author: Pearly floppy potus Do you possess a jerb? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935496) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:31 PM Author: Pearly floppy potus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935571) |
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Date: October 29th, 2011 9:30 AM Author: marvelous plaza do u? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#19262163) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:30 PM Author: glittery overrated step-uncle's house feces Its funny-me and him have probably contributed to society in roughly the same amounts.
"Judges As Advicegivers, 50 STANFORD L. REV. 1709 (1998)"
ORLY? HOW SO????
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:32 PM Author: marvelous plaza Since Alexander Bickel, scholars have understood the Supreme Court to have a threefold power: striking down acts for unconstitutionality, legitimating them, or employing the passive virtues. Professor Katyal contends that the Court wields a fourth power: advicegiving. Advicegiving occurs when judges recommend, but do not mandate, a particular course of action based on a concern for rule or principle. Courts have been giving advice, consciously at times, unconsciously at others, and this article seeks to provide a normative justification for the practice. Professor Katyal breaks down advicegiving into several categories and explains how advice, when given to the political branches, can engender a colloquy that maximizes respect for the coordinate branches while also serving the goals of federalism, enhancing political accountability, and encouraging judicial candor. In particular, Professor Katyal explains how advicegiving can become an alternative to aggressive forms of judicial review while simultaneously maintaining constitutional fidelity.
He helped litigate Hamdan, a seminal presidential war powers case.
What sorta cases have u litigated? |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:36 PM Author: glittery overrated step-uncle's house feces So he was defending terrorists from detention?
I help people get/keep money.
re: Advice-lol sometimes we don't rule, but its important still I swear. |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:42 PM Author: marvelous plaza Actually, he was defending the idea of due process of law---that the Government must prove that you are terrorist in a court of rule of law with rules and not criminalize you as such without some sort of meaningful process. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935657) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:43 PM Author: glittery overrated step-uncle's house feces u seem mad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935660) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:44 PM Author: marvelous plaza Idk bro--can u at least rate the prof's prestige. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935667) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:51 PM Author: glittery overrated step-uncle's house feces i fucking hate this place so much. xo scale he is a 180. life scale, i don't know a 159-successfully learned rules on how to be successful, and was smart enough to do so.
and you really think this guy, a citizen of Yemen and a bodyguard and chauffeur for Osama bin Laden, needs due process?
plus, international law is flame and a half and worthless IMO. There shouldn't be rules in war, because by definition most wars are shitty and horrible. Holding yourself upright doesn't make that primitive shit any better. |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:54 PM Author: marvelous plaza If you want to have a serious, substantive discussion, I'm down.
But to start with the law of war being "flame" is simply inaccurate. The Army Manual of the US specifically incorporates alot of the Geneva and Hague Convention articles/regulations on war time conduct.
The scorching of Japan by Curtis LeMay, bombing of Dresden, and the Holocaust, as well as all the previous, current and future wars demonstrate beyond a doubt that regulating war time conduct (like the jus ad bellum rules) is an important way to reduce disproportionate destruction and killing of innocent people in times of war. |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:58 PM Author: glittery overrated step-uncle's house feces Listen man, we have been on this planet for fucking thousands of years, and nearly every SERIOUS conflict has lead to massive civilian deaths, either as collateral damage and/or intentional destruction.
The only times where the U.S. has not committed such acts were in wars of choice-AKA every war since WWII. And if you think the shit we write down ahead of time in our "manuals" is going to mean a damn the next time we are in a serious fight for our survival, than I have a bridge to sell you.
I mean, I am all for having some "rules" for war, but this just emphasizes that war is a game and not a series of atrocities committed by fucking chimps. It legitimizes it, it makes it seem less horrifying, and it professionalizes soldierdom.
IF HOWEVER, as some may suggest (and I might concede...I haven't decided), war is inevitable amongst the human primates, then rules are better than none (as its closer to peace, than war, to have protections for prisoners etc). I just think its horseshit for us to spout out rules in these times of peace like it would somehow civilize the process. |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 11:03 PM Author: marvelous plaza Take the Nixon Administration's conduct in Vietnam. Robert McNamara was pretty instrumental in some of the policies that killed over three million Vietnamese people (including Viet Cong members). But at what cost? We sprayed Agent Orange all over their grounds and trees, causing innumerable suffering and damage. Or what we did to Japan in WWII. Alot of the suffering our army did to people in wars was clearly excessive and not directed to clear military purpose. That is a big problem.
some of the rules of the law of war are clear: Discriminate between civilians and military personnel. If you can't, try your best. But don't drop fucking daisy cutter bombs in Afghanistan indiscriminately and expect not to kill a shit ton of Afghanis on the way, many of whom are civilians.
Use proportionate force. Don't be excessive. Treat prisoners of war with respect--don't torture them. Shit like that I think is important. |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 11:06 PM Author: glittery overrated step-uncle's house feces dude the thing is we shouldn't have been in Iraq or Vietnam. Even though we tried to avoid collateral damage we still ended up killing a bunch of people.
who fucking cares about your good intentions? I mean that shit is a drop in the bucket compared to other wars, but still we devastate the populace. why have rules and instead just say: you shouldn't go to war unless attacked, and if then utterly destroy your enemy. |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 11:07 PM Author: marvelous plaza To control the (real) possibility of unbounded human savagery.
Dude, let's shift gears and talk about prestige. Why do you think law is such a prestige-driven profession |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 11:09 PM Author: glittery overrated step-uncle's house feces zero sum game, traditionally a very closed profession, gravitation towards the most conservative mark of someone's worth: their "associations" instead of their merits/ideas. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935836) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 11:10 PM Author: marvelous plaza What you mean by "Zero sum game"?
And what would/should be a better measure of one's ability? |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 11:13 PM Author: glittery overrated step-uncle's house feces to some extent actual work product. however, prestige is for clients too (and courts). so to some extent its tradition.
zero sum game because you don't generate new billables by being smart (aka law is a service profession, so unless you are sniping other clients, you can't create "new" clients). |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 11:14 PM Author: marvelous plaza Good point.
Do you regret trying to achieve prestige? |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 11:17 PM Author: glittery overrated step-uncle's house feces I have never tried to achieve prestige, although I have tried to do things to the best of my ability. to the extent it was necessary to get "prestige" to do this, I don't really regret it.
I sometimes regret placing myself amongst these particular prestige conscious individuals (aka lawyers). TO the extent that this was a failure to evaluate my own talents/likes/dislikes re: people, I don't regret it because sometimes you don't end up where you intended. The goal is once you figure it out, to try and make it happen. |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 11:19 PM Author: marvelous plaza At certain networkings events (or reading people like Katyal's resume), an inevitable sense of enviousness (perhaps natural) seems to take over me. How does one ward such feelings off, and do u ever feel like prestige-whorring has negative personality traits? And what u mean "placing myself among prestige conscious" people? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935918) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 11:25 PM Author: glittery overrated step-uncle's house feces I have felt envious of people before because of their experiences, their depth of knowledge, and generally their "personality" that has been created through socialization by prestigious associations. Ultimately, though, I have found a lack of curiosity and freethinking in these individuals that I find to be tremendously limiting in their evaluation of the world. Its like being at a prestigious school coaches students to the inevitability of the status quo, and then they are rebuilt in its image, only with the capacity to make ironic observations of such. This would have been viewed with such disdain by the freethinkers of the past, particularly in the seventies in the U.S., and even in further remote periods in history (such as the salons, etc).
However, being amongst the smartest individuals will obviously increase your own intelligence, and is a mark of distinction, if not actual accomplishment. To the extent that one takes law seriously, it is hard not to want to be around the people who also are the most knowledgeable about it.
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Date: September 8th, 2011 11:30 PM Author: marvelous plaza I think your first paragraph hit it head on.
But to add to what you were saying, I feel like the legal profession is just a self-replicating loop. The same kids that go to the same schools get the same positions in government and academia (with the occasional and rare exceptions), which I always have found fascinating.
Regarding the thinking constraints, can u expand a little more? Like did u notice a generally more pompous attitude toward life? Or something specific? |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 4:11 AM Author: racy bat-shit-crazy doctorate shady you have largely redeemed yourself in my mind in this subthred (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18936939) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 9:22 AM Author: marvelous plaza How so, brother? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18937193) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 6:21 PM Author: racy bat-shit-crazy doctorate shows you are more thoughtful than the schtick you run would suggest. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939795) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:42 PM Author: marvelous plaza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18940344) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 9:43 AM Author: Pearly floppy potus man u sure are talking about this alot ITT
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Date: September 9th, 2011 10:08 AM Author: marvelous plaza Sounds like your jealous (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18937331) |
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Date: October 9th, 2011 12:17 PM Author: marvelous plaza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#19133699) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2011 7:23 PM Author: marvelous plaza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#19089114) |
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Date: September 11th, 2011 5:08 PM Author: marvelous plaza lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18951189) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:39 PM Author: Blathering Laughsome Pervert why did he end up at georgetown? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935639) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:42 PM Author: marvelous plaza That's what I am wondering. Guess it gave him a good opportunity to get into the Solicitor General's office. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935658) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:48 PM Author: Pearly floppy potus do you possess an jerb? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935698) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:58 PM Author: marvelous plaza jerb? What's that? U mean job, faggot? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935765) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 11:01 PM Author: Pearly floppy potus megapost moar. do you possess a jerb? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935785) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:46 PM Author: Sapphire vivacious brunch corn cake whats with the GIGANTIC bullet points (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935686) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 10:54 PM Author: marvelous plaza Prestige bullet points brother. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935743) |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 11:18 PM Author: lake locus *generates not a single dollar of GDP in entire career*
*is praised* |
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Date: September 8th, 2011 11:19 PM Author: marvelous plaza He is not an economy bro. He is a law prof. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18935922) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 11:07 AM Author: Concupiscible tattoo heaven This resume is SPS. He doesn't even list any hobbies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18937533) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 11:14 AM Author: marvelous plaza How is it shit? Other than a failure to list hobbies, which is fucking pointless. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18937555) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 2:29 PM Author: Concupiscible tattoo heaven a resume is pointless UNLESS you have a hobbies and interests section. WTF, everyone knows this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18938515) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 3:16 PM Author: chest-beating twinkling casino Should be limited to 1 page (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18938889) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 3:28 PM Author: bright police squad corner Great resume -- he looks like a huge douche though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18938949) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 4:13 PM Author: marvelous plaza http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/former-acting-solicitor-general-neal-katyal-joins-hogan-lovells-as-partner-and-co-head-of-appellate-practice-129302218.html
How bro? |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 4:29 PM Author: bright police squad corner http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Neal_Katyal_portrait.jpg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939236) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 4:30 PM Author: marvelous plaza ROFL!!!!
You think he's prestigious though? |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 4:33 PM Author: bright police squad corner Sure. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939248) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 4:36 PM Author: marvelous plaza If you had to pick one, what would be his most impressive accomplishment based on his resume? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939261) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 4:39 PM Author: bright police squad corner Being a full professor 6 years out of law school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939275) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 4:49 PM Author: marvelous plaza Do you think its a generally good thing for the legal profession to be a largely prestige-driven vocation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939337) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 4:54 PM Author: bright police squad corner Does not compute. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939372) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 4:56 PM Author: marvelous plaza Do you think its good that law is all about prestige basically these days? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939388) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 5:34 PM Author: bright police squad corner Too many buried assumptions for me to bother answering.
Are you AKA false_premise_d00d? |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 6:35 PM Author: marvelous plaza Wait seriously please expand upon what you mean by "too many buried assumptions"?
And no. |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 6:44 PM Author: bright police squad corner Here are a few of the buried assumptions in your question:
1. Law is all about prestige
2. It is more preoccupied with prestige now than it was in the past
3. This preoccupation with prestige is either "good" or "-good" (i.e., "bad") for the profession |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 6:46 PM Author: marvelous plaza Yes, those are my assumptions because, in my opinion, they are empirically verifiable at any law school campus or law firm setting. It's all about my accomplishments and accolades and connections.
Do you think prestige is not a central driving force in law? |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 6:48 PM Author: bright police squad corner 4. Law has a "central driving force"
5. Conflation of "law" with the practice of law by certain types of people |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 6:50 PM Author: marvelous plaza Well can you discuss for me your feelings on the relationship prestige and the law? I'd definitely like to hear your thoughts. Thanks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939988) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 6:52 PM Author: bright police squad corner 6. That I give a shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18940001) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 6:53 PM Author: marvelous plaza Come on bro. Don't be that shady.
Just give me your opinion
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Date: September 9th, 2011 6:55 PM Author: bright police squad corner I'm just killing time until the Tigers game starts.
Why are you so obsessed with this professor?
FWIW, I agree that some people are obsessed with prestige (usually within a very narrow and self-serving definition of prestige), and some people are not so much. |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 6:59 PM Author: marvelous plaza Ya man I think Verlander is 180. You think he will take the D to the World Series this year?
I just think the professor has some impressive shit. I just wonder whether he ever thinks backs to his days at Dartmouth and reflects on whether he ever imagined he would be at such position at the age of 41 |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:03 PM Author: bright police squad corner I do. I would also suggest that Verlander's definition of prestige is radically different from Katyal's. Verlander also makes more $$$$.
"I just wonder whether he ever thinks backs to his days at Dartmouth and reflects on whether he ever imagined he would be at such position at the age of 41."
He seems like one of those hyper-intelligent DESIs who pop up once in a while.
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:14 PM Author: marvelous plaza Damn man. Verlander and Katyal in one sentence.
What would you say Verlander's conception of prestige is? Don't you think Verlander will reflect during the days of retirement the relatively little benefit to humanity he has contributed in lifetime? Do you think Verlander lives a fulfilling life? I mean, seriously--I definitely envy him but I sometimes think how celebrities and sports athletes just become enamored in fame and their vocation and forgetting about helping others.
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:22 PM Author: bright police squad corner "What would you say Verlander's conception of prestige is?"
Winning the World Series.
"Don't you think Verlander will reflect during the days of retirement and his relatively little benefit to humanity that he has contributed in lifetime?"
No more than anyone else, I guess.
"Do you think Verlander lives a fulfilling life?"
He's rich, he's hot, and he's doing what he loves -- I bet he's more 'fulfilled' than most people.
"I mean, seriously--I definitely envy him but I sometimes think how celebrities and sports athletes just become enamored in fame and their vocation and forgetting about helping others."
I don't envy him, but I think he's admirable.
"Agree?"
See above.
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:30 PM Author: marvelous plaza My main point is that I think Verlander has not contributed to humanity in any meaningful way. He is not funding research to ending poverty or malaria, or supporting humanitarian efforts in Burkina Faso or Cambodia.
I think genetically we humans want to help each other. But celebrities magically suppress that feeling by being such materialistic whores. |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:31 PM Author: bright police squad corner Your worldview seems sick. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18940248) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:32 PM Author: marvelous plaza Well what's your worldview? altruisim is trash? nihilism? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18940258) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:35 PM Author: bright police squad corner I believe that when you eat meat, the souls of the angry murdered animals thrash around in your body, causing stress and illness. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18940289) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:37 PM Author: marvelous plaza Interested view man.
I appreciate your views on prestige. Very cogent. If you have any additional thoughts on prestige, please let me know. |
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Date: December 21st, 2011 5:19 PM Author: marvelous plaza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#19610681) |
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Date: December 27th, 2011 5:34 PM Author: marvelous plaza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#19649764) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 4:18 PM Author: Pearl dragon national Hear he got passed over as SG because there's a lot of dirt on him out there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939185) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 4:19 PM Author: marvelous plaza Damn..Never knew that...I always wondered why Obama wouldn't just appoint him to a full SG position? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939192) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 4:20 PM Author: Metal Area Mexican 2010 fay winner was baller (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939202) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 4:22 PM Author: marvelous plaza Rank Katyal's prestige. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939210) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 4:57 PM Author: Pearly floppy potus how is the national security LLM at GULC, brother? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939392) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 5:03 PM Author: marvelous plaza Man fuck that LLM program. I am trying to get into Simpson Thacher. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939434) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 5:07 PM Author: Pearly floppy potus how are you trying to get into simpson thacher? that's a pretty good firm but i think they do most of their hiring through their summer associate program. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939463) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 5:09 PM Author: marvelous plaza Well I have a buddy in the Sao Pauolo office out in cali. Trying to work some things (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939481) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 5:12 PM Author: Pearly floppy potus Sao Pauolo is in brazil how did you enjoy carnival, brother? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939502) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 5:13 PM Author: marvelous plaza OH FUCK that was a Freudian slip.
I meant Palo Alto. |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 6:11 PM Author: Pearly floppy potus Try to parlay your Simpson interview to a KVN callback, brother. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939761) |
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Date: September 11th, 2011 1:35 PM Author: marvelous plaza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18949834) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 4:56 PM Author: azure well-lubricated orchestra pit i wonder if he and viet dinh are mortal enemies at gulc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939389) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 4:59 PM Author: marvelous plaza Not really---they co-authored shit
http://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1049&context=scb |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 5:01 PM Author: Pearly floppy potus how is the intellectual property LLM at george mason, brother? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939425) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 5:02 PM Author: marvelous plaza You mean GW Law, right brother? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939431) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 5:07 PM Author: Pearly floppy potus how do you like the campus of GULC, brother? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939467) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 5:08 PM Author: marvelous plaza I like AU better, to be fair. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939474) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 5:10 PM Author: Pearly floppy potus how was admitted students day at the catholic university's LLM, brother? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939489) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 5:11 PM Author: marvelous plaza LOL! I went to Howard's Admitted student thingy and boy was there some voluptuous black females I was macking on! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939496) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 5:02 PM Author: Carmine 180 indirect expression public bath stfu! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939429) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 5:06 PM Author: marvelous plaza http://www.bancroftpllc.com/?page_id=24
Anyone know how I can get into Bancroft PLLC? Is it prestigious? |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 6:13 PM Author: Pearly floppy potus They were pretty lax wrt grades at my school but they do want to see *some* journal work, brother. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939767) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 6:23 PM Author: racy bat-shit-crazy doctorate there are some prestigious people, but i'm not sure whether anyone thinks the firm itself is prestigious. i imagine you get in by playing up your anti-gay-marriage bona fides. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939806) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 6:36 PM Author: marvelous plaza Paul Clement should give me some face. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939867) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:11 PM Author: turquoise hideous office clown unconnected folks need not apply. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18940094) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:15 PM Author: marvelous plaza How do I get connected brother? Please be serious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18940112) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:16 PM Author: Pearly floppy potus you should try to build up some industry expertise from a few years in NYC or DC biglaw. bigfed (DOJ Honors) would also be a good way to do this, brother. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18940117) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:20 PM Author: marvelous plaza I can't get DOJ honors.
Where can I get industry expertise without slaving my time at Hale & Dorr. |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:28 PM Author: turquoise hideous office clown provided you have the credentials- clerk for connected people, "advise," connected campaigns, call in favors from folks back home. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18940220) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:29 PM Author: Pearly floppy potus what the above poaster said is correct. having a top clerkship helps a ton. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18940226) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:33 PM Author: marvelous plaza Can one get a clerkship entirely through working connections? Like a former law prof calling the judge on behalf of a four year litigator? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18940269) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:47 PM Author: Pearly floppy potus sure man, if the judge really trusts teh law professor and the law professor really goes to bat for him like hey this is the *best* mentally ill faggot who poasts constantly about 2254 that i've ever had follow me home from the school and wait outside my house all night. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18940383) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:48 PM Author: marvelous plaza Hey bro...that joke is getting old. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18940392) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 5:34 PM Author: Carmine 180 indirect expression public bath just chill everyone srs os shit goin down here - as cliche as that might sound (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939621) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 5:58 PM Author: marvelous plaza What the fuck did u say? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18939720) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 6:56 PM Author: light background story LOL govt and asian studies at dartttmouth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18940032) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:16 PM Author: marvelous plaza Copped that magna there. Pretty prestigious from an Ivy League. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18940119) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:43 PM Author: light background story lol i was also magna/PBK from dartttmouth. BS govt major no less.
hence that's why i know it's not that hard. just looks good on paper to people who don't know. |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:52 PM Author: marvelous plaza I see...but do u think he is still prestigious? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18940416) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:19 PM Author: Hyperventilating Church Scourge Upon The Earth Fuck you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18940135) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:20 PM Author: marvelous plaza Why you say that brother? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18940146) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:21 PM Author: Hyperventilating Church Scourge Upon The Earth Because she always has to find a way to put someone down. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18940154) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:21 PM Author: marvelous plaza How do you know its a bitch?
And don't you she is just a jealous slut?
Lastly, can you rate Katyal's prestige please? |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:22 PM Author: Hyperventilating Church Scourge Upon The Earth Have you ever followed her posts.
He is very prestigious |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:27 PM Author: marvelous plaza It just shows the power of connections I think. Without a Yale law degree, he wouldn't have anything. Agree? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18940210) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:41 PM Author: twisted scarlet native rigpig lol @ omitting the closing parenthesis under his 'Summer 1995' entry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18940343) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:42 PM Author: marvelous plaza Already mentioned bro.
Rate his prestige |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:48 PM Author: Pearly floppy potus pwnd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18940385) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:50 PM Author: marvelous plaza U mad/jealous that you never had the caliber/prestige of John Roberts as your summer mentor? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18940402) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 7:50 PM Author: Geriatric big fat ankles trust fund nah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18940403) |
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Date: September 17th, 2011 6:24 PM Author: marvelous plaza why u mad though? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18988961) |
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Date: September 9th, 2011 10:34 PM Author: marvelous plaza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18941613) |
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Date: September 11th, 2011 1:42 PM Author: stubborn preventive strike I'm amazed anyone is impressed by the "prestige" of people in law. Law is a mirage. This isn't science. He hasn't discovered anything.
Yeah, he's done the "top" things in law, but someone has to fill those positions. If he would have died in a car crash, someone else would have had the same credentials. If 3000 people would have died, TMF would have them.
He's created no wealth in his entire life - probably negative wealth. |
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Date: September 11th, 2011 1:45 PM Author: marvelous plaza You make a good point bro.
But what you mean by negative wealth? I mean, he probably made a good deal of money being a chaired GULC professor, his stint at the Solicitor General office, and now this partner at a major law firm>>>>>> http://www.hoganlovells.com/neal-katyal/
Also, he did contribute in the Hamdan case. Just saying |
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Date: September 11th, 2011 1:48 PM Author: stubborn preventive strike Meaning if he would have died, society would have been better off. I'm saying creating wealth, not acquiring wealth.
He stole money from law students in order to write papers no one reads, and he made it so terrorists can always get convicted in a more expensive forum. |
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Date: September 11th, 2011 1:49 PM Author: marvelous plaza OK, but can you at least partly explain why law is such a prestige-driven profession, as compared to medicine (which is not as prestige-whorrish). I'd really like to hear your thoughts. Is it because of the self-replication loop? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18949915) |
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Date: September 11th, 2011 1:51 PM Author: stubborn preventive strike They're both prestige whores, but one profession cures cancer while the others generally make simple arguments 50x more complex until both sides lose and the lawyers make money.
If you heal someone, you get self satisfaction. If you piss everyone off, you need accolades proving you're the best at it to have any self worth. |
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Date: September 11th, 2011 1:55 PM Author: marvelous plaza But I think your under appreciating the role lawyers play in society. I think an attorney in Philly can feel good about himself if he successfully gets compensation for an injured victim of medical malpractice in which negligence was clear.
Also, lawyers can do work that is self-fulfilling--representing an immigrant in an asylum proceeding who is faced with genital mutilation in Namibia or torture and persecution in Nepal is certainly a commendable job.
So what advice do you have for a person who is stuck in the legal profession? How does one avoid the constant feeling of needing to become prestigious? |
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Date: September 11th, 2011 1:57 PM Author: stubborn preventive strike You can do one of those things - but you'll be paid shit and often times unsuccessful.
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Date: September 11th, 2011 1:59 PM Author: marvelous plaza Why do you think law prestige is a mirage though? You didn't explain that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18949959) |
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Date: September 11th, 2011 2:03 PM Author: stubborn preventive strike Its a mirage because the profession is a mirage. It creates no wealth. There are no right answers. For christ sakes, there's a reason its called an opinion.
At the end of the day, everyone is just a clerical worker - and success if often self fulfilling. There's a reason people in law and finance have such low career satisfaction. They don't actually do anything. Is their job necessary? Yes. But they're just cogs standing in the way of progress. |
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Date: September 11th, 2011 2:15 PM Author: marvelous plaza "cogs standing in the way of progress"--how so bro? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18950024) |
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Date: September 11th, 2011 5:13 PM Author: spruce locale he's just repeating some crap he heard somewhere else (lawyers don't add value). he's not smart, though, so he doesn't really understand where that comment comes from and he definitely won't be able to explain it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18951225) |
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Date: September 11th, 2011 5:20 PM Author: marvelous plaza thanks bro.
What are you feelings on prestige? Why is law such a prestige-driven profession? |
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Date: September 11th, 2011 5:12 PM Author: spruce locale has anyone ever told you you think and write like a huge fucking faggot? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18951221) |
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Date: September 11th, 2011 5:13 PM Author: marvelous plaza R u talking about me bro? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18951223) |
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Date: September 11th, 2011 5:15 PM Author: spruce locale wtf? was that post in response to you faggot? this honestly has to be the first time this question has ever been asked on this site. hey faggot, responses to other people's posts go under the original post and slightly to the right. faggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18951234) |
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Date: September 11th, 2011 5:16 PM Author: marvelous plaza U think Katyal's resume is prestigious? Rate his prestige. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18951242) |
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Date: September 11th, 2011 5:14 PM Author: Anal bateful trailer park My penis literally got hard looking at this dood's resume. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18951226) |
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Date: September 11th, 2011 5:17 PM Author: marvelous plaza Rate his prestige. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18951245) |
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Date: September 11th, 2011 5:24 PM Author: Anal bateful trailer park 181 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18951293) |
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Date: September 14th, 2011 4:47 PM Author: marvelous plaza just do faggotry, bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18969938) |
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Date: September 11th, 2011 7:59 PM Author: Beady-eyed jet center I get the impression you want to suck his cock. Am I right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18952199) |
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Date: September 11th, 2011 10:26 PM Author: marvelous plaza Y u say that bro? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18953143) |
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Date: September 11th, 2011 8:08 PM Author: low-t fuchsia stag film incel terrorist sympathizer. terrorist enabler. terrorist. hth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18952240) |
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Date: September 11th, 2011 8:09 PM Author: low-t fuchsia stag film incel lol, glaring typo ON THE FIRST PAGE OF HIS C.V. that is directly related to one of the more prominent things he mentions (roberts). what an utter fucking TTT.
btw: breyer? LOL!!! ttt as FUKKK. |
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Date: September 11th, 2011 10:26 PM Author: marvelous plaza (1'L jealous faggot) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18953149) |
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Date: September 11th, 2011 11:06 PM Author: white indian lodge Honestly Katyal's resume would be more prestigious if he had actually been made SG instead of Don Verilli. But as you may or may not have heard, his healthcare arguments in the COAs have kind of sucked. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18953488) |
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Date: September 12th, 2011 7:32 AM Author: marvelous plaza Interesting point.
But what other novel/new arguments could be made in support of PPACA's constitutionality that hasn't already been made? |
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Date: September 12th, 2011 8:07 AM Author: Pearl dragon national SG himself doesn't do a whole lot to develop the original arguments--he spends most of his time managing a staff of deputies who oversee components and subcomponents of appellate cases that may reach the Supreme Court, and working on briefs/oral arguments for the cases that do go that far. There's a legion of brilliant career SG and DOJ staff who handle lower court matters. It's not like the SG (Katyal or Verilli) would be able to step in and say "hai guise I found the key argument everyone's been missing!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18955059) |
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Date: September 12th, 2011 8:59 AM Author: marvelous plaza Source for what u say? Not doubting it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18955108) |
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Date: September 12th, 2011 1:42 PM Author: white indian lodge I just thought his argument was super-defensive and weak on offering a limiting principle to calm Hull and Dubina's fears. Sutton tore the activity/inactivity distinction apart; Katyal never did that. He would just keep saying "self-insurance is commerce" in this tense tinny voice. And he's had arguments like that before, like the case on whether the NLRB could shrink to two members. Technically brilliant, but really cagy whenever he was being pushed on anything. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18955937) |
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Date: September 12th, 2011 5:10 PM Author: Burgundy coffee pot lay This shit is fierce. I normally think that professors are pussies for not actually practicing law, but this dude is amazing.
When did he find the time to do all of this? Fucking amazing. |
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Date: September 12th, 2011 5:11 PM Author: marvelous plaza What was most impressive to you/stands out? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18956895) |
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Date: September 12th, 2011 5:25 PM Author: Burgundy coffee pot lay Argued in the Gore/ Bush 2000 election case. Damn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18956963) |
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Date: September 12th, 2011 6:20 PM Author: white indian lodge So did David Boies, miserably. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18957248) |
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Date: September 12th, 2011 9:05 PM Author: marvelous plaza Rate Katyal's prestige (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18958587) |
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Date: September 12th, 2011 10:22 PM Author: white indian lodge Um.... really high, sure, but.... Clement and Olson are on a higher plane. And I think both are considerably better lawyers. And I think Seth Waxman's a better lawyer too. Among recent SG's, I would ONLY put him above Gregory Garre, Kneedler, and Drew Days. Katyal's got a really mixed record at the Court. Hamdan was a huge win, obviously. But he lost Engquist, a big class-of-one case, the Arizona immigration case, the animal cruelty speech case (Stevens), a state secrets case, unanimously, only won NAMUDNO (the Voting Rights Act case) by losing, essentially (look it up), and he lost the NLRB membership case. Some of these were winnable, and his wins have largely been of the slam dunk variety (e.g. Ashcroft v. Al-Kidd, the recent global warming case, Nasa v. Nelson). I think a better advocate could have won healthcare in the 11th Circuit, could have done a lot better in NAMUDNO, maybe could have won the NLRB case. Someone like Ted Olson, who famously won on campaign finance reform the first time, as the SG, and then got parts of it invalidated in private practice. To me, Katyal is really not a super-SCOTUS advocate, like a Carter Philips, a John Roberts in his day, a Paul Clement; he's just a really smart guy whose persuasive skills are so-so. He'd make a way better Justice than a lawyer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18959454) |
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Date: September 12th, 2011 10:32 PM Author: marvelous plaza You make some good points (points that I hadn't even known, to be frank).
Do you think Katyal "sold his soul" by defending the Government in asking the Court not to grant cert in the controversial Maher Arar case out of the en banc Second Circuit opinion that David Cole helped litigate? I mean, wtf Katyal! Also, that Ashcroft case involved some pretty shady facts by Government wrong doing. |
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Date: September 12th, 2011 10:54 PM Author: white indian lodge You know, I haven't thought about that. But no. I mean, did he sell his soul when he said it was constitutional for the government to ban tapes of dog fights? It's crazy, but Congress does some dumb things (and the Government, some shady things) that you have to defend as an SG. I just find Katyal's oral argument style kind of drippy. He reminds me of my old professor, Erwin Chemerinsky, who's a genius but who sounds, at oral argument, like a male version of my whiny Jewish grandmother. (He hasn't been much of a success in his forays into Supreme Court advocacy.) Everything's always so unfaiiiiir and unreaaaaasonable. Katyal's like the depressive, super-precise version of that. As a plaintiff, anyway; when representing the government, he's always striking this harsh, "you, Court, must defer to Congress's judgments and follow your precedents" note that sounds like he thinks he's the Court's kindergarten teacher. But even then he sounds depressed, like the prospect of the Court invalidating a law saddens him on some existential level. You'll notice that the great advocates occasionally crack a joke (I'd say Clement and Waxman average 1-2 an argument), and generally sound a whole lot more cheerful. Now that he's in private practice and we can talk about him as just another Supreme Court advocate, I think he'll soon be lapped by Kannon Shannmugan, Sri Srinivasan, Maureen Mahoney... Goldstein has his serious flaws and Roberts seems to hate him, but I think he's a bit better too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18959695) |
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Date: September 13th, 2011 2:28 PM Author: marvelous plaza U know what's funny? Katyal was a college debater at Dartmouth, and I don't know if you know this, but college debating is largely an incomprehensible oral fuck fest where you just constantly ramble as fast as you can for like eight minutes or whatever time is allocated. Which is weird because his quiet personality doesn't go with that.
But I hear ya loud and clear brother.
What do you attribute Katyal's rare success in law to be? I mean, his credentials are just A1-180 prestige. \
Also, what are your thoughts on prestige in general? |
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Date: September 13th, 2011 4:11 PM Author: white indian lodge Being a really smart, driven and nice guy. With connections. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18963219) |
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Date: September 14th, 2011 7:23 PM Author: marvelous plaza credited (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18970912) |
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Date: September 13th, 2011 3:19 PM Author: Saffron Dashing Theater Stage lol that you think that shit matters in how the judges decide cases. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18962856) |
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Date: September 13th, 2011 3:45 PM Author: marvelous plaza What you mean bro? How do you think judges principally decide cases? On what basis? Not the oral advocacy of the litigators? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18963016) |
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Date: September 13th, 2011 4:02 PM Author: white indian lodge Not on the oral advocacy of the litigators, absolutely not. Largely on the briefs and even more so on the basis of their long-held views on the matter. A complete idiot can win a case at the Court if he's on the right side. But in a close case it can make a big difference.
And yeah, I saw Katyal at that event at Georgetown last week about debating and he talked about how he had to learn to slow down. He also smiled at one point, which was surprising. |
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Date: September 13th, 2011 4:18 PM Author: marvelous plaza Do you think judges decide cases on the basis of fairness, or do u actually think they decide cases on the purported objective basis of law? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18963276) |
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Date: September 13th, 2011 10:30 PM Author: white indian lodge The fact that you're even asking this question suggests you haven't really thought about these matters seriously. The answer is something like, largely "objective basis of law," some "fairness," and some other policy concerns, such as, hating criminals, loving criminals, liking disabled people, believing that people who claim to be disabled are generally liars, personal views about civil rights, etc. Now, between the "objective basis of law" and the group of things I've called "policy concerns," there's a sliding scale. Most cases are easy cases, and the law clearly dictates the outcome. The more people can reasonably disagree, however, the more a judge's opinions and background will take over. And by opinions and background, I mean things simple and dumb as "prisoners scare me." Then, the judge acts on their prisoner-fears and comes up with all sorts of elaborate legal reasons for why a prisoner lacks rights in certain circumstances. Having worked for some COA judges, I've seen this precise scenario play out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18965629) |
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Date: September 13th, 2011 11:19 PM Author: marvelous plaza Hmmm very telling and interesting.
What do you consider is the singular biggest flaw in our litigation system, if u had to pick one? |
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Date: September 13th, 2011 11:57 PM Author: white indian lodge I have no idea, frankly. I hope no one asks me any broad and sweeping questions like that in my clerkship interviews, because I tend not to think many big picture thoughts. I mean, I do think that most existing legal doctrines bear little relation to fair, just, or economically optimal outcomes; the complexity of, say, ERISA law, or habeas review, is just a way to keep lawyers employed. Not that it was designed with that in mind, but that's the only real goal any of it successfully serves. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18966482) |
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Date: September 14th, 2011 8:42 AM Author: marvelous plaza Good point brother.
Do you think John Yoo should be professionally disciplined for his role in orchestrating the Bush Administration torture regime against purported Al-Qaida detainees? |
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Date: September 14th, 2011 9:59 AM Author: white indian lodge Nope. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18967757) |
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Date: September 14th, 2011 10:21 AM Author: marvelous plaza Why not? Explain your reasoning. I'd definitely like to hear your thoughts on this one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18967859) |
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Date: September 14th, 2011 4:50 PM Author: white indian lodge How clearly unlawful was it, really? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18969965) |
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Date: September 14th, 2011 4:52 PM Author: marvelous plaza I mean, his interpretation of 18 USC 2340A was clearly not resonable--it was outlandish.
I say this making no speculation about the real possible causal effect of the memo's on the application of torture abroad. |
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Date: September 13th, 2011 11:24 PM Author: marvelous plaza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18966112) |
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Date: September 13th, 2011 10:18 PM Author: marvelous plaza feel u bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18965433) |
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Date: September 12th, 2011 11:00 PM Author: Hyperactive spot keepsake machete Do you find it hard to hide the fact that you're gay? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18959734) |
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Date: September 13th, 2011 1:07 PM Author: marvelous plaza Not gay, faggot.
But what makes u say that? |
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Date: September 14th, 2011 8:44 PM Author: white indian lodge The whole being on another man's dick thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18971509) |
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Date: September 14th, 2011 9:12 PM Author: marvelous plaza I was just pointing out how the irony that everyone on this discussion board claims to be "prestigious" when in point of fact will never amount to Katyal's prestige. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18971751) |
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Date: September 14th, 2011 9:14 PM Author: white indian lodge Maybe one or two will, but yeah. Prestige is so relative; I'm a big deal because of xyz, but someone else is interviewing with Merrick Garland... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18971778) |
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Date: September 14th, 2011 9:17 PM Author: marvelous plaza Tatel is better.
Do you think you'll be happy when your forty looking back at what u did in your life? |
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Date: September 14th, 2011 9:25 PM Author: white indian lodge Think I'll have left law at that point. I prefer Garland. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18971898) |
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Date: September 14th, 2011 10:14 PM Author: marvelous plaza what about silberman brother? or the football star Kavanah?
Do you think women care about prestige as much as men do? |
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Date: September 13th, 2011 11:19 PM Author: low-t fuchsia stag film incel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18966041) |
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Date: September 15th, 2011 9:29 PM Author: marvelous plaza Rate Katyal's prestige, brother. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18978392) |
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Date: September 17th, 2011 12:07 AM Author: marvelous plaza I think we have a winner over Katyal http://www.wcl.american.edu/faculty/cv/vladeck.pdf?rd=1 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1753769&forum_id=2#18985923) |