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LEITER JUST DROPPED THE MIKE ON THIS SHITLAWYER
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Date: March 2nd, 2013 11:56 PM Author: Khaki angry cumskin http://leiterlawschool.typepad.com/leiter/2013/03/we-get-mail-thomas-r-grover-esq-edition.html
For criticizing Mr. Campos last week, I received the following insolent e-mail:
You’re a “Law and ______” Professor, not a lawyer. How would you know how to ‘think like a lawyer’?
Thomas R. Grover, Esq.
Goodsell & Olsen, LLP
10155 W. Twain Ave., Ste. 100
Las Vegas, NV 89147
Tel: (702) 869-6261
Fax: (702 869-8243
Cell: (702) 900-3003
tom@goodsellolsen.com
www.goodsellolsen.com
Mr. Grover is a recent law graduate of the University of Nebraska, one of those law schools that students should still be considering, even in the current market, and notwithstanding Mr. Grover. But it is odd that he thinks that being a lawyer and a philosopher involves a contraction, rather than an expansion, of knowledge and competence. In any case, I replied to Mr. Grover as follows:
Dear Mr. Grover,
Are you actually an attorney at the firm in question? If so, why do you not appear on the website? Do your supervisors know that you are using the firm’s e-mail to send impertinent and juvenile messages to other professionals?
“Thinking like a lawyer” refers to a style of reasoning and analysis that is exemplified in the law section of appellate briefs and in judicial opinions; I assume you must be familiar with both genres. It encompasses, for example, the use of analogical reasoning to distinguish precedents or propose extensions or developments of existing doctrine, but also involves techniques of statutory and constitutional construction, the use of arguments from authority, facility with the law/fact distinctions, and so on. Again, merely looking at the chapter headings of Schauer’s book Thinking Like a Lawyer would illuminate this apparently opaque topic for you. Alternatively, you might read Edward Levi’s classic book An Introduction to Legal Reasoning; Mr. Levi was the former Dean of my Law School, as well as former Attorney General of the United States.
Of course, there are more skills involved in being a lawyer than thinking like a lawyer. There is industry-specific knowledge, know-how with respect to how local courts or regulatory agencies approach statutory language, rhetorical talent, as well as a range of psychological and interpersonal skills that are important. For example, most good lawyers I know, among my family and friends, exhibit maturity and professional judgment, that would prevent them from sending insolent e-mails from their’s firm account to other professionals. I will be sure to send a copy of this entire correspondence to the name partners of your firm.
I do think we law professors, and especially those with blogs, have been far too tolerant of malicious and unprofessional conduct by usually anonymous or pseudonymous lawyers and students. Mr. Grover deserves credit for signing his name to his stupidity, and, of course, his intervention is a relatively mild example of juvenile nonsense emanating from putative lawyers. I've generally let most of this garbage pass in silence, but in the coming weeks I'm going to be posting a bit more about some alleged legal professionals whose on-line conduct deserves to be aired in public. I especially welcome more information on a sick individual using the pseudonym "dybbuk," who is, among other pathetic characteristics, obsessed with the appearance of female law faculty, and who fantasizes on-line about spanking them with wet slippers, among other charming attributes. He is a Washington & Lee law graduate, and a public defender, and we will have more to say about him soon. But I welcome any further details from readers. |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:51 AM Author: razzmatazz affirmative action set "For example, most good lawyers I know, among my family and friends, exhibit maturity and professional judgment, that would prevent them from sending insolent e-mails from their’s firm account to other professionals. I will be sure to send a copy of this entire correspondence to the name partners of your firm."
lol at these two sentences back to back. |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 1:58 PM Author: galvanic azure background story potus lulz. "how dare you act unprofessional! *cc's entire law firm over being insulted on his blog.*" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22746592) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 4:02 PM Author: Bisexual trailer park boiling water (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22747429) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 10:18 PM Author: free-loading senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22750494) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 10:51 PM Author: Stirring sweet tailpipe this from a guy who has been in several spats with autoadmit. not to mention spending a good deal of his time in absurd arguments with other "professionals" having to do with school rankings and other stuff that "mature" people spend tons of time on. fucking LOL. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22750818) |
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Date: June 17th, 2013 1:45 PM Author: maniacal at-the-ready dysfunction http://www.autoadmit.com/leiter.html
lol |
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Date: March 4th, 2013 12:47 AM Author: bateful chestnut site it's just amazing.
in his mind, this is a darth vader force choke. |
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Date: March 4th, 2013 9:56 AM Author: Pea-brained stag film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22752987) |
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Date: March 4th, 2013 10:05 AM Author: Cocky Personal Credit Line tbf, epic self-pwn to use your firm's e-mail address as a new associate to send an e-mail implying how bitter you are about the legal job market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22753001) |
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Date: March 8th, 2013 1:40 PM Author: obsidian disgusting corn cake doctorate I guess he just assume's it's a given that he is a SCHOLAR, not a "good lawyer." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22780122) |
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Date: March 29th, 2013 12:00 AM Author: Beady-eyed Topaz Orchestra Pit Alpha classic Leiter move (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22899216) |
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Date: October 7th, 2018 5:12 PM Author: honey-headed histrionic lay leiter is such a noxious little person (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#36980308) |
Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:06 AM Author: Mewling Orange Stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22745631) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:14 AM Author: trip sandwich Leiter is such a pedantic fuck. That dood's email to him is 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22745638) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:15 AM Author: opaque fragrant national karate i got hard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22745640) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:16 AM Author: Filthy Filthpig Roommate He's so greedy with the treats (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22745642) |
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Date: June 17th, 2013 2:00 PM Author: stimulating abode (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23414828) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:23 AM Author: Hilarious Pit "I do think we law professors, and especially those with blogs, have been far too tolerant of malicious and unprofessional conduct by usually anonymous or pseudonymous lawyers and students"
I totally agree, tokyorose |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:33 AM Author: Slippery judgmental gas station gunner The best bit is this little Eichmann thinks he can do something about it. Fuck him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22745669) |
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Date: March 4th, 2013 12:08 AM Author: Stirring sweet tailpipe two subpoenas bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22751617) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 1:42 PM Author: Dead Poppy Travel Guidebook Windowlicker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22746521) |
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Date: March 4th, 2013 12:42 AM Author: Concupiscible garnet juggernaut milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22751951) |
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Date: June 16th, 2013 9:52 AM Author: Dead Poppy Travel Guidebook Windowlicker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23406912) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:23 AM Author: Vigorous Crotch Dingle Berry is this the encouragement xo needed? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22745653) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:28 AM Author: Transparent big theatre candlestick maker For the sake of argument, say the shitlawyer was unprofessional and deserves to be fired. Leiter still chooses to damage the reputation of the whole firm on the internet without even writing to a partner first. Fucking asshole. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22745657) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:30 AM Author: avocado legal warrant volcanic crater his email wasn't that bad tho, it's not like he was over the top or violent
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:34 AM Author: Transparent big theatre candlestick maker Yeah, just saying that Leiter's would have been a dick move, even if the letter had been really offensive (not just "insolent"). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22745670) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:36 AM Author: avocado legal warrant volcanic crater it's just really petty and immature.
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 4:00 PM Author: Flesh church building His email was mildly insolent in tone but presented a legitimate question. Leiter chose to respond by bullying a young lawyer, calling him out for (presumably) being a non-partner track staff or contract attorney at the firm and basically trying to make his life difficult. Fuck that guy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22747409) |
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Date: June 16th, 2013 9:50 AM Author: Cerebral zombie-like hell codepig It was not 'insolent'. In my experience, really the only sensible usages of 'insolent' are when some snotty brat is disrespecting his boss, elder, whatever. Someone above his station. You aren't being 'insolent' if you bitch out the fast food clerk, for example. You're being a prick, but not insolent.
This kid e-mailed Brian "the Titties from Texas" Leiter. He wasn't being insolent. |
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Date: June 16th, 2013 9:51 AM Author: Cerebral zombie-like hell codepig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23406910) |
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Date: June 16th, 2013 9:52 AM Author: Dead Poppy Travel Guidebook Windowlicker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23406916) |
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Date: June 17th, 2013 1:53 PM Author: Pea-brained stag film Exactly. "insolent" implies that there is some deference or respect due, and leiter actually thinks that this is the case and he is some kind of authority over the profession. when really he's just an unhinged fat fuck who happens to have a loudspeaker much louder than he merits. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23414795) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:30 AM Author: avocado legal warrant volcanic crater "But it is odd that he thinks that being a lawyer and a philosopher involves a contraction..."
lol
but what a fucking dick tho |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:31 AM Author: Slippery judgmental gas station gunner How is sending an email to an asshole you have no professional relationship with unprofessional? Leiter as usual is full of shit. 5 years ago he rants about how speech shouldn't be anonymous and here he demonstrates exactly why you need anonymous speech. The dude is a legit piece of shit and intellectually dishonest too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22745663) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:32 AM Author: avocado legal warrant volcanic crater STEVE LITERALLY SPRINTING A 4.2 40 IN ORDER TO DEFEND ANOTHER SHITLAWYER
but yeah |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 2:02 PM Author: galvanic azure background story potus leiter hates anonymous speech because he, like most academics, evaluates speech only after a detailed review of the CV of the speaker. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22746611) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 4:01 PM Author: Flesh church building CREDITED (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22747417) |
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Date: March 4th, 2013 12:34 AM Author: Pontificating Embarrassed To The Bone Jap This is even more true for Leiter than most academics. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22751886) |
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Date: March 4th, 2013 12:48 AM Author: bateful chestnut site CR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22751996) |
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Date: June 17th, 2013 1:47 PM Author: maniacal at-the-ready dysfunction 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23414770) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2013 8:04 PM Author: Nighttime antidepressant drug community account (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23452916) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:32 AM Author: duck-like station Odds Leiter ends up with negative publicity because of this? this is 2nd grader shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22745665) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:32 AM Author: Hilarious Pit "For example, most good lawyers I know, among my family and friends, exhibit maturity and professional judgment, that would prevent them from sending insolent e-mails from their’s firm account to other professionals. "
"Their's," tokyorose? Really? Now THAT may well be a "contraction" of knowledge. THAT'S NOT SCHOLARSHIP. |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:35 AM Author: Vigorous Crotch Dingle Berry RAs make the scholarship ready for the masses bro. They're the ones putting the wrapper on the sweet treat so we can enjoy it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22745672) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:39 AM Author: Slippery judgmental gas station gunner Lol at this douchebag having friends. Does anyone actually believe he has any? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22745685) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 1:38 PM Author: gay athletic conference Tyty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22746505) |
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Date: June 16th, 2013 11:45 AM Author: Bistre bull headed university masturbator FINISH HIM (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23407089) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:36 AM Author: opaque fragrant national karate wait brian leiter actually thinks of himself as a philosopher (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22745675) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:37 AM Author: Vigorous Crotch Dingle Berry apparently his philosophy scholarship is actually pretty well regarded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22745677) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:38 AM Author: Slippery judgmental gas station gunner By people who are identical assholes and no one else. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22745681) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 1:29 PM Author: Transparent big theatre candlestick maker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22746466) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:41 AM Author: opaque fragrant national karate he has a lot to say about neitzsche apparently, i didn't realize he had interests other than brian leiter edit: his annotated cv is fucking obnoxious though |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 3:52 PM Author: Purple sinister location http://www.philosophicalgourmet.com/
Indeed. Feast on this philosophical gourmet. |
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Date: June 16th, 2013 9:54 AM Author: Cerebral zombie-like hell codepig he literally calls his rankings a 'gourmet'. think about that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23406917) |
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Date: June 16th, 2013 11:47 AM Author: Bistre bull headed university masturbator a bountiful HARVEST of treats (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23407094) |
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Date: March 4th, 2013 12:36 AM Author: Pontificating Embarrassed To The Bone Jap They are afraid of him. His philosophy ph.d program rankings are like the U.S. News of philosophy grad programs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22751898) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:38 AM Author: Filthy Filthpig Roommate you guys realize he's probably going to blog about us again, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22745682) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:40 AM Author: trip sandwich Of course he is. He wrote a whole book chapter about us. Tokyorose is obsessed with xo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22745687) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:49 AM Author: avocado legal warrant volcanic crater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22745702) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:40 AM Author: avocado legal warrant volcanic crater damn steve, you really hate leiter dood
was that ur email? |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:41 AM Author: Filthy Filthpig Roommate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22745690) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:54 AM Author: Indecent patrolman why are ppl itt calling leiter tokyorose? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22745706) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:56 AM Author: duck-like station that was his moniker when he posted here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22745710) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:57 AM Author: duck-like station http://www.autoadmit.com/leiter.html
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Date: June 16th, 2013 10:33 AM Author: onyx hall Lol been a long time since I read that. Awesome. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23406962) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 10:02 AM Author: exciting old irish cottage decent chance someone's using a fake name, too. way irresponsible to attribute this to someone you can't even confirm works at the firm...
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 10:03 AM Author: Filthy Filthpig Roommate It's probably one of the name partners, lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22745738) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 1:34 PM Author: rose faggotry How many lockers do you think Leiter got stuffed into in Jr. High? How many trash cans?
This guy is so small as a person it is amazing. I don't think he could find the higher road if you spotted his troll ass the phonebook. |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 1:38 PM Author: Transparent big theatre candlestick maker I find it helpful in life to be frequently reminded that people like this exist. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22746506) |
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Date: June 16th, 2013 12:47 PM Author: Awkward yapping market philosopher-king (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23407363) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 1:43 PM Author: carmine idea he suggested he is a perennial bitchass. his children and his children's children will be bitchasses just like him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22746524) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 2:40 PM Author: rose faggotry He has kids? Jesus Christ. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22746857) |
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Date: March 4th, 2013 12:36 AM Author: Pontificating Embarrassed To The Bone Jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22751902) |
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Date: June 17th, 2013 2:32 PM Author: Motley Alcoholic Hospital Selfie I think you meant "map." Phone books generally don't have topographical maps in them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23415000) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 1:39 PM Author: gay athletic conference lol tokyorose. Just lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22746510) |
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Date: March 4th, 2013 12:07 AM Author: Fighting sapphire locus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22751606) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 1:41 PM Author: Abusive Adventurous Forum What a little nerdy dickhead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22746518) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 1:46 PM Author: Cerebral zombie-like hell codepig I literally hate Brian Leiter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22746529) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 1:47 PM Author: Twinkling school people with aspergers HATE him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22746534) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 2:38 PM Author: Irate boyish spot mad cow disease 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22746837) |
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Date: June 17th, 2013 1:58 PM Author: Pea-brained stag film rofl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23414816) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 1:57 PM Author: galvanic azure background story potus "I especially welcome more information on a sick individual using the pseudonym "dybbuk," who is, among other pathetic characteristics, obsessed with the appearance of female law faculty, and who fantasizes on-line about spanking them with wet slippers (though that is only the tip of the iceberg of his malevolent conduct towards and harassment of individuals behind the cloak of pseudonymity). He is a Washington & Lee law graduate from the 1990s, and an appellate public defender, and we will have more to say about him soon. But I welcome any further details from readers."
LOL wtf is wrong with this guy that he goes around wanting to out people, and much more thinks he is doing a service to the world for doing it. |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 1:58 PM Author: Twinkling school Justice MUST be served. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22746593) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 1:59 PM Author: Transparent big theatre candlestick maker What makes you think he thinks the latter? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22746598) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 2:05 PM Author: galvanic azure background story potus the self righteous tone of his poasting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22746633) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 4:19 PM Author: Hyperventilating Dashing Halford Public Bath Revenge Scholarship is a dish best served cold. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22747538) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 2:06 PM Author: Tan mental disorder garrison OH WHAT A SCHOLAR! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22746635) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 4:06 PM Author: Racy cyan box office love of her life Some dood "You dont practice law and it appears you are also a philosophy professor. What do you know about thinking like a lawyer?"
Leiter: "I KNOW SCHOLARSHIP SIR AND YOU ARE UNPROFESSIONAL, I shall inform your firm of this slight."
What would happen if someone actually said something rude to this douche? |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 4:12 PM Author: Filthy Filthpig Roommate http://leiterlawschool.typepad.com/leiter/2008/11/autoadmit-updat.html (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22747485) |
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Date: March 4th, 2013 10:00 AM Author: Pea-brained stag film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22752995) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 4:09 PM Author: Fighting sapphire locus "...and who fantasizes on-line about spanking them with wet slippers, among other charming attributes."
I was expecting a Fresh Prince transition right about there. |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 4:18 PM Author: Pearly famous landscape painting dilemma this is legitimately bizarre. im concerned about brian's mental health (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22747528) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 4:28 PM Author: Racy cyan box office love of her life Hopefully Chicago will get him the mental health care he so desperately. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22747588) |
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Date: March 8th, 2013 2:20 PM Author: Cerebral zombie-like hell codepig but what if a pineapple (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22780410) |
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Date: March 8th, 2013 2:23 PM Author: carmine idea he suggested (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22780439) |
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Date: March 8th, 2013 2:19 PM Author: Cerebral zombie-like hell codepig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22780397) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 8:43 PM Author: Vivacious amber tanning salon coffee pot If Karma exists, Leiter has one giant ass-fucking on the way.
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 10:12 PM Author: Bisexual trailer park boiling water how can we pwn him brother? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22750447) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 10:14 PM Author: Filthy Filthpig Roommate seriously leave him be. he will go to war with this place. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22750468) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 10:23 PM Author: trip sandwich While I agree it's better just to leave him alone, didn't he try going to war with this place around the time of the lolsuit and come out the loser? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22750545) |
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Date: March 4th, 2013 12:40 AM Author: Filthy Filthpig Roommate doesn't matter if he comes out the loser, it could damage a lot of people in the process and it is not worth pursuing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22751938) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 10:23 PM Author: avocado legal warrant volcanic crater Would he win?
Might be prudent though. |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 10:26 PM Author: crystalline razzle-dazzle state factory reset button LOL, nobody fears that double-chinned, low T, man-boobed slob (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22750575) |
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Date: March 4th, 2013 12:29 AM Author: Khaki angry cumskin cr he already fucking ruined GTO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22751841) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 10:47 PM Author: crystalline razzle-dazzle state factory reset button he's such a douche (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22750759) |
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Date: March 4th, 2013 12:07 AM Author: Chrome theater yarmulke 1) I wonder if his decision to take this random-guy-who-e-mailed-him is just his form of "outing" - which he's seen work to devastating effect on xo.
2) When you descend into the mud to wrestle with your lowest critics, no matter who wins, you're still covered in mud. I predict this will not end well for Leiter. |
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Date: March 4th, 2013 12:11 AM Author: crystalline razzle-dazzle state factory reset button Leiter is regarded as an academic bully and people really do fear him in academic circles (or so I've read) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22751656) |
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Date: March 4th, 2013 3:50 PM Author: lime laughsome menage Link? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22754655) |
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Date: March 4th, 2013 12:18 AM Author: comical sick bbw that dude makes me so angry, I am boiling (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22751718) |
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Date: March 4th, 2013 12:43 AM Author: Tan mental disorder garrison Bros, war has been declared. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22751963) |
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Date: March 4th, 2013 12:48 AM Author: Pontificating Embarrassed To The Bone Jap You have my axe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22751995) |
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Date: June 17th, 2013 6:29 PM Author: Frisky Cracking Address Therapy And my Sword! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23416421) |
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Date: March 4th, 2013 12:51 AM Author: Rusted Charismatic Associate Casino First, hi Leiter! We know you're here, you roly poly little scholarship baker.
Next, I hope that shitlaw firm files a lawsuit against you. Would you settle just to stay out of big scary Las Vegas? Or would your scholarship be the new Thunder From Down Under |
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Date: March 4th, 2013 8:57 AM Author: Flesh church building We could crowd source writing their papers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22752866) |
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Date: March 4th, 2013 10:02 AM Author: Pea-brained stag film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22752998) |
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Date: March 4th, 2013 4:35 PM Author: Fighting sapphire locus A New Civility Standard David Bernstein • March 4, 2013 4:36 pm
http://www.volokh.com/2013/03/04/a-new-civility-standard/ |
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Date: March 4th, 2013 5:39 PM Author: Aphrodisiac buck-toothed cruise ship "This is to certify that a copy of the foregoing was mailed, first class, postage prepaid, on October 16, 2008, to: [...] Attorneys for Defendant A Horse Walks Into a Bar."
Forgot about that one. |
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Date: March 4th, 2013 5:40 PM Author: Fighting sapphire locus Ah, memories. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22755517) |
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Date: March 8th, 2013 11:35 AM Author: Khaki angry cumskin MARCH 8 UPDATE: It wont' surprise any readers to learn that Paul Campos is angry with me--after all, his malicious and dishonest conduct has made him a pariah in his own profession. I certainly did my part to call attention to his malfeasance, but I underestimated the extent to which he would turn into a pathological liar in order to seek his vengeance. Over the last week (I have been abroad at a conference, with only intermittent internet access and so may not even have seen everything), Campos has completely lost it, descending into an amazing paranoid abyss of libel, accusing me, falsely, of, inter alia, cyber-stalking, posting pseudonymously on "Top Law Schools," even posting "hundreds" (!) of comments on his absurd blog (while the others may just be reckless false allegations, the last one he has to know is false, since he has access to the ISP information), and so on. He has not, at least of this writing, accused me of genocide or torturing puppies. And he has apparently inspired one of his followers to hack someone`s email account. Classy! Apart from his general animosity towards me, I can only surmise that he's lost it because I did pursue the identity, successfully, of one of his cyber-friends ("dybbuk") who Campos conveniently neglects to mention had the habit of bullying, insulting and defaming junior faculty and students (including one of mine), and I did succeed in getting his worst bit of libel deleted and he has now fallen silent. Oddly, Campos, who is now waging a jihad against Faculty Lounge, doesn't realize why no one will return his e-mails, and it's the same reason almost no one signed his petition for law school transparency: his colleagues consider him a creep and untrustworthy, and so they just steer clear. Indeed, "dybbuk's" identity was volunteered by someone Campos pissed all over during his little scam jihad, so, ironically, he has only himself to blame for the mess his cyber-friend is currently in. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22779360) |
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Date: March 8th, 2013 11:40 AM Author: frum fantasy-prone whorehouse no respected, adult practicing lawyer would engage in this type of behavior. it is the revered intellectual who has the distinct honor and privilege to obsess over personal internet slights and write one lengthy histrionic hyperbole laden screed after the next. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22779383) |
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Date: March 8th, 2013 2:22 PM Author: Cerebral zombie-like hell codepig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22780434) |
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Date: March 8th, 2013 11:44 AM Author: avocado legal warrant volcanic crater ljl at having intermittent internet access but using it to continually post under terrible monikers that are clearly his
ljl at Campos not having the respect of crooks and liars and thieves
ljl at Campos even caring |
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Date: March 8th, 2013 11:50 AM Author: Hyperventilating Dashing Halford Public Bath I picture all the elite profs gathered in a Great Hall of Scholarship, elegantly sipping cocktails as a disheveled Campos jumps from one Great Man to the next asking him to sign his crumpled petition, and receiving only rolled eyes and cold shoulders in response. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22779434) |
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Date: March 8th, 2013 11:52 AM Author: avocado legal warrant volcanic crater man i really do love campos tho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22779449) |
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Date: March 8th, 2013 11:54 AM Author: Hyperventilating Dashing Halford Public Bath Yeah, my image was how Leiter sees it though. That he's part of this grand club, and Campos' unpopularity within the club is de facto proof that Campos is in the wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22779463) |
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Date: March 8th, 2013 12:00 PM Author: avocado legal warrant volcanic crater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22779498) |
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Date: March 8th, 2013 1:31 PM Author: frum fantasy-prone whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22780075) |
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Date: March 8th, 2013 2:23 PM Author: Cerebral zombie-like hell codepig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22780441) |
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Date: March 8th, 2013 11:53 AM Author: haunting son of senegal range Peter Aruden is such a little baby (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22779459) |
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Date: March 8th, 2013 1:39 PM Author: Hideous Puce Nowag Sanctuary What? Is he denying that he is TokyoRose? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22780115) |
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Date: March 8th, 2013 1:56 PM Author: Silver well-lubricated skinny woman principal's office He denies almost nothing in that statement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22780235) |
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Date: March 8th, 2013 1:58 PM Author: Twinkling school well if you think about it he does kind of have a point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22780243) |
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Date: March 8th, 2013 2:07 PM Author: carmine idea he suggested if any of you meatheads plan on going to the gym today i encourage you to, while you are there, envision leiter's slowly creeping smirk as his greasy fingers slam out the words "little scam jihad." his screed complete, he leans back into his groaning office chair and mouths this phrase silently to himself, over and over, eminently delighted. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22780306) |
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Date: March 8th, 2013 2:15 PM Author: violent bawdyhouse it's no use, i'll never top his 195 kg hang clean (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22780358) |
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Date: March 8th, 2013 2:16 PM Author: Twinkling school this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22780379) |
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Date: March 8th, 2013 2:17 PM Author: Hyperventilating Dashing Halford Public Bath *Posts update to LEITER REPORTS* *waits 30 seconds* *calls up closest ally in the legal scholarship world* "Hey Bill- did you see the new post? Well then I won't ruin it for you, but it's safe to say I've done it again. Enjoy!" |
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Date: March 8th, 2013 2:18 PM Author: frum fantasy-prone whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22780393) |
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Date: March 8th, 2013 2:31 PM Author: Twinkling school the guy is fucking delusional (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22780511) |
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Date: March 8th, 2013 3:49 PM Author: Wine becky Subject: Paul Campos, an hero An Hero, Paul Campos, on the Faculty Lounge comments:
"I would have thought it was impossible for me to have a lower opinion of Brian Leiter’s moral character, and/or deeper suspicions about his mental health, but then I read his astonishingly mendacious response to the claims in these posts. Suffice it to say (for now) that Leiter manages to give the impression that he’s denying the truth of what I wrote without actually denying almost anything. He doesn’t deny that he’s “Peter Aduren,” he doesn’t deny that he sent emails to the formerly anonymous people with whom I spoke (and who considered these emails to be cyber-harrassment), and he doesn’t even deny that Dan Filler wrongfully and quite possibly illegally disclosed the email addresses of these people to him after they provided confidential information to TFL, in order to post at that site. The record, I think, pretty much now speaks for itself."
http://www.thefacultylounge.org/2013/03/michael-schill-a-finalist-to-lead-uw-madison.html#comments |
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Date: March 8th, 2013 3:50 PM Author: Wine becky Volokh conspirators openly mock Leiter
http://www.volokh.com/2013/03/07/blogospheric-rubbernecking/#disqus_thread |
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Date: March 9th, 2013 10:06 PM Author: Chrome theater yarmulke I don't see how Leiter can be blind to the fact that he's lowering himself by engaging with anonymous commenters. I know, he's tenured, he's got the best job security around and will make six figures for the rest of his days no matter what he does. That said, he seems like the kind of person that cares about reputation... and yet, there's no way he comes out of this looking better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22788381) |
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Date: March 9th, 2013 10:14 PM Author: galvanic azure background story potus he likes the attention more. drama queen type. that's why he does all the rankings shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22788405) |
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Date: March 9th, 2013 10:48 PM Author: Chrome theater yarmulke No, he does the rankings to make Chicago look better than it is. Hell, that's a huge part of why Chicago keeps him around. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22788538) |
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Date: March 9th, 2013 10:29 PM Author: Electric Impertinent Organic Girlfriend Lol, just lol. The guy is like a 25th percentile xo poster. The absurdly inappropriate tone and disproportionate length of his reply make the nerd rage impossible to miss. It reads like he was red faced and physically shaking. Epic self pwn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22788456) |
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Date: March 28th, 2013 12:29 AM Author: Twinkling school LEITER GETS THE LAST WORD:
AND A FINAL WORD: Crazy Campos’s jihad against Dan Filler has come to an end, not with Campos apologizing, but with his continuing to cast aspersions on Filler and others at TFL, even though, as I noted last Friday, he’s been barking up the wrong tree all along (he apparently has little sense of the depth and breadth of enmity towards him and his crew, and it extends well beyond those who blog--I will, in any case, not name my sources, who did the morally correct thing in exposing scoundrels and creeps, but who do not deserve to be harassed and defamed by those who want to harass and defame with impunity). There also turns out to be quite a bit of backstory about what’s been going on at Colorado, that will perhaps come out in time, and which may explain Campos’s slightly insane and obsessive behavior in the last week. Anyway, I’ll give the final word about this freak show to a colleague elsewhere, who wrote to me last week regarding the pseudonymous and anonymous trolls: “I, for one, hope that you put the fear of god into them. I've been unable to avoid the consistent spamming our normal blogs have taken over the last year from the likes of these schmoes ('MacK' and the others main perpetrators), one can only hope that they're cowering in a corner thinking back on the foolishness of repeatedly attempting to defame and intimidate honest and well-meaning educators. It's one of the worst symptoms of the right-wing anti-intellectualism that seems to get frothier in this country each election cycle. As for our friend in the rocky mountain state, I really think he's either run into some well-deserved, serious career problem (other than lacking all talent as a scholar) or has gone wholly round the bend.” As some readers pointed out, even Campos's many false allegations may have the salutary effect of making the bottom-feeders in cyberspace (including Campos's dozen-or-so trolls) a bit more cautious going forward. |
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Date: March 28th, 2013 11:48 PM Author: trip sandwich "other than lacking all talent as a scholar"
damn, son. |
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Date: March 28th, 2013 11:57 PM Author: Low-t Space leiter and scholarship.
what a cock smoker. |
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Date: June 16th, 2013 9:55 AM Author: Odious fuchsia property giraffe Leiter putting the FEAR OF GOD into those INSOLENT SCHMOES (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23406921) |
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Date: March 29th, 2013 1:24 AM Author: galvanic azure background story potus http://keithburgess-jackson.typepad.com/blog/2009/01/brian-leiter-academic-thug.html
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Date: June 17th, 2013 9:53 PM Author: claret field holy shit, academics are such ridiculously petty aspie freaks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23417936) |
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Date: June 16th, 2013 9:37 AM Author: trip sandwich (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23406894) |
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Date: June 16th, 2013 9:48 AM Author: Cerebral zombie-like hell codepig the more i think about this incident, the more insane leiter seems to me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23406904) |
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Date: June 16th, 2013 9:54 AM Author: Odious fuchsia property giraffe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23406918) |
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Date: June 17th, 2013 1:53 PM Author: frum fantasy-prone whorehouse cr. strikingly similar to the Dunkin Donuts chick. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23414793) |
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Date: June 16th, 2013 11:57 AM Author: hairraiser effete ticket booth 180 thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23407133) |
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Date: June 17th, 2013 8:49 PM Author: Titillating base 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23417458) |
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Date: June 17th, 2013 2:35 PM Author: Titillating base I just looked this Grover guy up. He's pretty much the typical douchey judgey mormon.
Now he runs guided tours at a museum in vegas and volunteers for the republican party.
While leiter is a douche, those two belong together. |
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Date: June 17th, 2013 9:56 PM Author: ruddy temple regret So this guy was clearly insolent to Leiter, Leiter publishes the email, and somehow Leiter did something wrong?
I know you guys don't like him, but come on. |
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Date: June 17th, 2013 10:04 PM Author: appetizing indian lodge (tokyorose) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23418022) |
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Date: June 17th, 2013 10:09 PM Author: trip sandwich (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23418061) |
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Date: June 17th, 2013 11:31 PM Author: Tan mental disorder garrison 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23418862) |
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Date: June 18th, 2013 12:01 AM Author: ruddy temple regret I wish. Was just trolling Leiter's intergalactic warlord-like use of "insolence." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23419202) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2013 8:42 PM Author: hairraiser effete ticket booth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23453316) |
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Date: June 17th, 2013 10:05 PM Author: appetizing indian lodge my favorite part is how Campos outted him for using a sock puppet on TLS to pimp the prestigious law faculty at U of C. "They have Nussbaum and Leiter." LOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
What a fucking child. |
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Date: June 17th, 2013 11:02 PM Author: bespoke crackhouse ratface Please link me to this. PLEASE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23418548) |
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Date: June 17th, 2013 11:05 PM Author: ruddy temple regret http://www.top-law-schools.com/archives/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32744&start=25 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23418562) |
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Date: June 17th, 2013 11:14 PM Author: Vivacious amber tanning salon coffee pot This. Also, thefacultylounge.com was caught giving IP addresses/emails to Leiter of people that bashed him in the comments. Then Leiter sent them threatening/harrassing emails under throwaway email accounts.
Any private organization would have canned his faggot ass years ago. But if UCHi fired him, it would be an affront on academic freedom, tenure, scholarship, etc. |
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Date: June 17th, 2013 11:19 PM Author: bespoke crackhouse ratface WHAT? Is this real life? I did that when I was in junior high. How did this guy make it through life? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23418706) |
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Date: June 18th, 2013 12:02 AM Author: ruddy temple regret The best part is he'd appear pseudonymously on many random message boards name dropping young academics that no one in the country has heard of beside Brian Leiter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23419218) |
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Date: June 17th, 2013 11:24 PM Author: multi-colored bright trump supporter this dude is doobs irl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23418761) |
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Date: June 18th, 2013 12:13 AM Author: yellow legend parlor At my high school there were these things we use to call cleeks. There was cool kids. Not so cool kids. Band geeks. Drama weirdos. Jocks. Others. Within these cleeks(and without) there was also lots of Hierarchys. (This is where some better then other's- some on the rise some on the fall- some pretty some not-ect)
Brian (he use to sit in fron of me in US history AP) was fascainated by all these differing's rankings. (See where Im' headed). He use to like to analyze the different social structure's of the highschool (a VERY mathematical/anaytical mind). And I would hear about it from him a lot before class. "Last year Tamika was more popular then Sharon but this year I think Sharon has passed her by". "Kim lost her boyfriend and ever since- popularity down the tube's". "Two year's ago I'd of never thought Russell would be popular but ever since he went out for water polo". Et cetera. I even got the ranking's of my self(not going to say what they were-Privacy issue's).
Unfortunately. The popular kids didn't relly like Brian be so observeant like this. (I think they just self conscious). He use to get put in garbage cans. Once duct taped to a pole(the flagpole no less-add insult to injury). There was the time he was tied up(tape over mouth/hands behind back/legs) and put in the girls lockerrom shower. It was something bad(I use to fell sorry for him- thats why I would listen to his ranking's). But he used his BRAIN to overcome because this is why he joined the football team. He explained to me that by his calculation's it was the most optimal way to improve his Popularity.
But so Brian perservered. "This is information people need" he use to say. He would half the time tell me his new rankings(at some point it became alittle newsletter he started typing/distribute from his Mac himself at own cost-because school newspaper wouldn't allow) and spend the other half the time tell me why his rankings so important/useful for people to have. I kind of admire him for this. he RELLY took it seriously.
So you see? Looking back (in retroscept) I now realize that these were the very ORIGINAL Leiter Reports. (He didn't call it this. He called it something liek "Brian's Picks - Whose Hot whose not".
The format was something different(he had many many different categories- Best Dressed Girl, Buffest Guy, Biggest Party Hardier ect) but its amazing to see how all the basic ingredients were there. Who would know that he would grow up to do the same type of thing for a living. Its helarious/charming in a way(Like end of Animal house where you see what they do when they grow up). It makes total sense the more you thing about it.
http://iraqwarwrong.blogspot.com/2005/06/original-leiter-reports.html?m=1 |
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Date: June 18th, 2013 12:21 AM Author: ruddy temple regret wtf? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23419462) |
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Date: June 18th, 2013 12:22 AM Author: bespoke crackhouse ratface Damn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23419474) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2013 7:33 PM Author: bespoke crackhouse ratface Sad:
http://www.linkedin.com/in/tomgrover |
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Date: June 22nd, 2013 8:25 PM Author: galvanic azure background story potus So Leiter literally got this bro fired for e-mailing him. He must feel proud. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23453135) |
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Date: June 24th, 2013 12:19 AM Author: greedy exhilarant theater stage This is sad.
He edited it. Maybe he's still employed?
Is this proof that Tom Grover is a poaster? He seems beta enough to be hiding in his basement poasting. |
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Date: June 24th, 2013 11:36 AM Author: Transparent big theatre candlestick maker Someone here probably suggested to him that he update his profile to affirm his continuing employment and rub it in Mantit's face. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23463338) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2013 8:34 PM Author: cordovan home cuckold to his credit, leiter is one of the very few, and perhaps only, topics that unite xoxo 100% we all hate that douchebag |