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Date: May 15th, 2013 3:22 PM Author: bearded piazza Never get to taste the sweet victories of litigation. Nothing better in law than after months of heated arguments with opposing counsel to get fully and completely vindicated by the court. Nothing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23204060) |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 3:23 PM Author: Henna Pistol Karate you may be right, but that's more a commentary on the dismal rewards offered by legal jobs in general than anything else (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23204068) |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 3:30 PM Author: snowy curious cuckold (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23204147) |
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Date: May 17th, 2013 1:55 PM Author: Nudist house wrinkle this is sarcastic, right? we are joking? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23217094) |
Date: May 15th, 2013 3:23 PM Author: charismatic orchestra pit love of her life describe ur latest kill brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23204064) |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 3:44 PM Author: bearded piazza discovery dispute. heated meet and confer phone calls where we basically called each other assholes. they filed an ex parte motion to strike on like every fucking paper we filed to get these documents, including to our moving papers and to our reply papers, and requested sanctions at least 4 times on one motion. it was a huge clusterfuck of ex parte motions. judge awarded us sanctions in the amount of $20k and ordered documents produced. YNY. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23204266) |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 3:45 PM Author: Aromatic ultramarine indian lodge 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23204267) |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 3:46 PM Author: soggy duck-like stage people who enjoy stuff like this are some of the worst people on the fucking planet (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23204271) |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 3:49 PM Author: bearded piazza If you can't enjoy shit like this you definitely shouldn't be in law, it is the only part of my job that is enjoyable, knowing that at the end of the day someone will tell me whether I "won" or not. It's the closest thing to sports in the normal job world. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23204280) |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 3:49 PM Author: snowy curious cuckold (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23204284) |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 3:53 PM Author: bearded corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23204305) |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 4:22 PM Author: puce awkward locus What kind of non-competitive beta doesnt enjoy stuff like that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23204494) |
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Date: May 17th, 2013 1:52 PM Author: Rusted Racy Famous Landscape Painting Gaming Laptop The phrase "discovery dispute" is one of the best signals you're talking to a shitty lawyer. And, most likely, a 2nd to 4th year associate who spends 85% of their time in "discovery disputes" to rack up billables, and therefore has he mistaken impression that this shit is actually difficult or important. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23217074) |
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Date: May 17th, 2013 3:30 PM Author: bearded piazza oh what a scholar (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23217621) |
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Date: May 17th, 2013 2:46 PM Author: Pea-brained exciting kitchen milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23217385) |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 3:46 PM Author: Slimy turquoise round eye liquid oxygen where was opposing counsel based (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23204274) |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 3:48 PM Author: Gaped Titillating Affirmative Action These sanctions seem fucking meaningless. How hard do you have to fuck up to lose your law license for a year? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23204278) |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 3:50 PM Author: bearded piazza You aren't ever going to lose your law license over a fucking discovery dispute, short of like personally setting relevant documents on fire or something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23204286) |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 3:51 PM Author: Gaped Titillating Affirmative Action Are sanctions a badge of honor that illustrate your willingness to play dirty to help your client? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23204294) |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 3:54 PM Author: bearded piazza Depends I guess. Generally if you are sanctioned you were being objectively unreasonable, which usually means you just wasted a bunch of the client's money arguing something that wasn't really an issue. So not only did the client have to pay a boatload for you to file all that shit, but it wasn't even about something that you had a remote chance of winning, and on top of that have to pay some of the other sides attorneys' fees. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23204311) |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 4:17 PM Author: Ruddy Fiercely-loyal Heaven Elastic Band no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23204454) |
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Date: May 16th, 2013 9:19 PM Author: Gaped Titillating Affirmative Action explain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23212995) |
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Date: May 17th, 2013 1:41 PM Author: buff resort you were wrong on the substance, you cost your client money, and you lose credibility with the court. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23217021) |
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Date: May 17th, 2013 6:15 PM Author: Gaped Titillating Affirmative Action least you tried hard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23218712) |
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Date: May 17th, 2013 6:22 PM Author: shimmering appetizing tattoo messiness Sanctions in discovery for anything short of wholesale failure to produce in violation of something "so ordered" are unheard of. 20k for one frivolous motion even more so. That stinks of flame. If conduct is that frivolous the judge will sooner strike pleadings and trigger a malpractice action against you. Kills two birds with one stone - you and your shitty case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23218742) |
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Date: May 17th, 2013 7:25 PM Author: bearded piazza you are on the right path bro. we took position something was previously ordered they took position it wasn't within scope of order. and like i said it wasn't really one motion because they filed fucking 2 ex parte motions to counter our motion -- to strike our moving papers and to strike our reply papers, not to mention their opposition papers. it caused a huge headache for the court and racked up a ton of attorneys' fees on our side. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23219033) |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 3:49 PM Author: Adulterous principal's office community account shitttigation is not interesting to me - i clerked and hated every minute of it i much prefer working a deal and then watching it become a huge enterprise, way more 180 to create than destroy |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 3:59 PM Author: bearded piazza I've done some small transactional shit -- like shareholder agreements for smallish companies; franchise agreements; and some employment shit like severance agreements. The day to day was generally more enjoyable because it's more social and you are on the phone talking to people to find out what's important. There was also generally less anxiety because at the end of the day I knew there was no opposing counsel or judge to keep me honest -- I mean who the fuck really knows whether that provision is enforceable (and who cares?), no one is going to draft some extensive brief calling you out on it.
But at the end of the day it just feels meh. I didn't feel like I was creating a business just because I drafted the shareholder agreement. But I do feel like I won that discovery dispute. |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 4:06 PM Author: Adulterous principal's office community account I guess since I'm in house, I do get to see the aftermath of my work. And since it's a young business, the aftermath comes quickly and dramatically. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23204391) |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 4:05 PM Author: cordovan sanctuary Getting off on a discovery dispute win is lame as shit.
The fact is more "litigation" involves mind dead work as does corporate shit.
No one "wins" in litigation. Overly 90% of cases settle in my practice areas so LOL at you enjoying your triumphent mediation "victory" where you split the difference.
FUCK LAWYERS FUCK AMERICA DEATH TO LAWYERS AND AMERICA |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 4:07 PM Author: soggy duck-like stage iut's just like sports though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23204394) |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 4:11 PM Author: cordovan sanctuary yea i enjoyed the 21-21 tie in this year's superbowl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23204422) |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 4:15 PM Author: hyperactive maniacal background story Winning tense discovery disputes are reasonably equivalent to scoring a game winning goal in the conference semis of the NHL western conference playoffs. A 180 but trial man, that's the Stanley cup. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23204446) |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 4:19 PM Author: cordovan sanctuary lol no.. discovery isnt even a regular season game against a TTT opponent.. its shit that only lame retards would even be proud of (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23204472) |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 4:21 PM Author: hyperactive maniacal background story *files eighth discovery timeline on cm/ecf*
*feels the same as the redbull space jumper guy* |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 5:43 PM Author: Light glittery rigor pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23204999) |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 5:43 PM Author: Lime Demanding Dopamine Nursing Home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23205003) |
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Date: May 17th, 2013 10:21 AM Author: Orchid Tanning Salon Yeah, most cases settle, but please don't tell me you're so stupid that you don't realize *where* you settle makes all the difference in the world. Because most cases won't go to trial, big discovery dispute wins can have huge impacts on the terms of eventual settlements. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23216185) |
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Date: May 17th, 2013 3:32 PM Author: bearded piazza cr. not all settlements are created equal. motion practice absolutely affects settlement terms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23217637) |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 4:23 PM Author: soggy duck-like stage *puts down office phone after receiving news that his side won the discovery motion*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyjOy7fRzs0&feature=youtu.be&t=15s |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 4:38 PM Author: hyperactive maniacal background story (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23204594) |
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Date: May 17th, 2013 10:27 AM Author: hyperactive maniacal background story Cot dam that was such an awesome moment. Me and my bros were doing flying chestbumps like WHAT YNY OFS RUN TELL DAT! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23216197) |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 4:46 PM Author: Beady-eyed impertinent rigpig base That's good to hear as a career federal law clerk. I write rulings deciding disputes like that for a living. Good to hear my work matters in the lives of people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23204653) |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 5:31 PM Author: bearded piazza How is the career fed law clerk gig bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23204944) |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 5:35 PM Author: Beady-eyed impertinent rigpig base It's really good in comparison to the alternatives in law.
You do important work and the workload is very manageable (though it's far from a joke job like a lot of federal positions).
As a federal worker, though, we haven't seen a COLA raise in 3 years or so and there is none on the horizon. I make about 110k in ARE country. Certainly can't complain. |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 5:54 PM Author: milky boyish digit ratio fuck that sounds like a spa (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23205050) |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 6:07 PM Author: bearded piazza That sounds like a good gig dude. How does one become a career clerk? Are they normally just term clerks who end up not wanting to leave? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23205115) |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 5:56 PM Author: milky boyish digit ratio Discovery disputes are so fucking pointless and lame. They are one of the main reasons that people think that lawyers are assholes. Its just plain stupid.
I'm getting sick of lit, wish I could do more transactional stuff. Doing IP shit all the time with no batshit insane opposing counsel trying to constantly fuck you over every time would be like a dream. |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 6:08 PM Author: bearded piazza I agree they are fucking dumb. But it's really nice to see the other side pwned when they are being assholes about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23205121) |
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Date: May 16th, 2013 10:14 PM Author: mauve indecent public bath the only part of legal practice that I give a shit is my paycheck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23213370) |
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Date: May 16th, 2013 10:43 PM Author: bearded piazza come on breh u dont care AT ALL whether some motion you filed or opposed won or lost? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23213630) |
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Date: May 17th, 2013 12:32 AM Author: mauve indecent public bath I would care to the extent this means more/less work for me. As for the outcome itself, fuck no. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23214555) |
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Date: May 16th, 2013 10:47 PM Author: amethyst people who are hurt seeing a transactional deal I worked on go sour and realizing that some other asshole has to litigate it and not me >>>>>>>>>> any discovery victory I could ever imagine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23213656) |
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Date: May 17th, 2013 1:57 PM Author: Pea-brained exciting kitchen milk I feel more sorry for people who give a shit about stuff like this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23217107) |
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Date: May 17th, 2013 3:33 PM Author: bearded piazza Really? You feel sorry for someone who gets some joy out of one aspect of his job, instead of hating every part of it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256807&forum_id=2#23217647) |
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Date: May 20th, 2013 9:50 AM Author: hyperactive maniacal background story *sends only rainsofcastamere.mp3 in response to plaintiffs ninth request for documents and forteenth set of interrogatories*
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