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Dumb here. Why can't US have single payer healthcare?
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:07 PM Author: Emerald Startling Cruise Ship when many other EU countries and Canada do? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34262973) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:07 PM Author: Crimson curious ceo gunner You're assuming we want one or that it's a good thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263378) |
Date: September 21st, 2017 6:08 PM Author: drab blood rage double fault niggers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34262978) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:09 PM Author: Translucent Thriller Legend Kitty Cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34262986) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:26 PM Author: cracking zippy principal's office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263110) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:28 PM Author: Garnet disgusting senate ratface (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263125) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:07 PM Author: orchid coffee pot /thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263375) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:13 PM Author: trip nighttime associate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263413) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 8:23 PM Author: hyperventilating geriatric locus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34264028) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 9:00 PM Author: cruel-hearted property preventive strike (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34264245) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 10:31 PM Author: lascivious bull headed foreskin stag film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34265031) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:09 PM Author: big naked spot Sorry but BigMed and BigPharma demand extreme profit margins (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34262982) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:10 PM Author: drab blood rage double fault Why is there not equal Abbo wealth and university attendance u racist? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34262991) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:38 PM Author: Shivering smoky skinny woman cumskin Link to their extreme profit margins? If no link, I'll assume you're a dumb. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263615) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:11 PM Author: Ebony Nudist Generalized Bond Lodge Even more Guatemalans and reduced drug development and medical research (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34262996) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:12 PM Author: Domesticated bearded doctorate 25 mil ... err ... only "11 million" illegals (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263002) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:15 PM Author: Emerald Startling Cruise Ship So it's an issue of too many people in the US? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263019) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:16 PM Author: Domesticated bearded doctorate Illegals, unemployables, and the democrats who want more of both to keep their political power ... yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263027) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:16 PM Author: Garnet disgusting senate ratface If you really don't get why without having to be told, you might actually be a retard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263022) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:19 PM Author: Emerald Startling Cruise Ship Ok, agreed. But I cant change the op title. Can you answer my question tho? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263043) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:21 PM Author: Garnet disgusting senate ratface You're question is completely disingenuous. Fuck you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263063) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:09 PM Author: Emerald Startling Cruise Ship Im serious. Im trying to get a clear answer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263389) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:31 PM Author: Deep Razzmatazz Brethren Yep you're question is completely disingenuous. F*ck you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263145) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 10:37 PM Author: Mind-boggling forum candlestick maker There's absolutely no reason why. We already spend 3x per capita on public healthcare compared to Canada or the UK. (((DRUG COMPANIES))) need to be brought to heel. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34265077) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:16 PM Author: clear talking clown once again, Prager U with the answers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCU1JQzvoyM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBfC1YG9wIs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3GfCmbPDN0 |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:35 PM Author: Frum orange striped hyena This is interesting, but without reference to the bullshit that goes on in privately run/financed hospitals, it doesn't mean much. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263165) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:53 PM Author: irate bossy temple this is obviously biased w an agenda. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263282) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:00 PM Author: irate bossy temple https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbBKoyjFLUY (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263323) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:22 PM Author: clear talking clown (CNN viewer) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263468) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 8:59 PM Author: Shivering smoky skinny woman cumskin Then you should be able to easily refute it with facts and logic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34264241) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 9:03 PM Author: flickering mauve jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34264267) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:30 PM Author: Emerald Startling Cruise Ship These make sense. But still,doesn't explain why single payer works in other countries (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263540) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:36 PM Author: Frum orange striped hyena "works" is an ambiguous standard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263594) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:17 PM Author: indecent tripping box office nonwhites (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263031) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:21 PM Author: abnormal wagecucks pocket flask (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263071) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:18 PM Author: vibrant sienna hospital rigpig Unfettered social safety net isn't compatible with open borders immigration policy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263041) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:29 PM Author: Balding Electric Keepsake Machete Juggernaut because we can't afford it!!!!!!11
*spends $700 billion on the military like NBD* |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:33 PM Author: rambunctious pink indian lodge tank I lived in the UK - single payer sucks.
I have a lot of Canadian friends - single payer sucks. |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:34 PM Author: Balding Electric Keepsake Machete Juggernaut I like in the US. People having to rely on Gofundmes for any catastrophic injury or illness sucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263159) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:49 PM Author: Shivering smoky skinny woman cumskin Only irresponsible people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263263) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:09 PM Author: Balding Electric Keepsake Machete Juggernaut freedom hater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263390) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:32 PM Author: Very Tactful Pea-brained Crackhouse Hairy Legs *pays $20,000/year for a high deductible family plan* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263561) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:33 PM Author: Sexy Therapy yeah it worked great in Vermont! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263158) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:48 PM Author: Shivering smoky skinny woman cumskin Because we don't want to pay 2X in taxes for shittier care (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263255) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:50 PM Author: irate bossy temple dumb (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263270) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:52 PM Author: big naked spot US pays more than double per capita other western countries do, for a poorer health system.
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:54 PM Author: Shivering smoky skinny woman cumskin We have the best care in the world. We develop all the technology and any poor metrics are due to the fact that we are so much richer we can afford to be morbidly obese. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263286) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:56 PM Author: irate bossy temple Even dumber. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263297) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:56 PM Author: big naked spot The US doesn't develop all the technology.
Having great care for people with very good insurance or the ability to pay massive bills out of their own pockets is not the same as having a good health care system. |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:10 PM Author: Frum orange striped hyena Obviously not *all* the technology, but the profits to be made in the U.S. market do subsidize healthcare in foreign markets to some extent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263395) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:13 PM Author: irate bossy temple (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263410) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:32 PM Author: big naked spot Only in the sense that because US residents usually grossly overpay for drugs and medical devices (e.g. $600 epipens that sell for $20 in Australia) then those superprofits extracted from the US market give BigPharma more scope to accept less for the same products in negotiations with foreign governments.
However I don't see how the superprofits from providing medical services translate into foreign medical services being cheaper. E.g. the last time I was in Hawaii I got charged $270 to visit the doctor to have a blockage in my ear cleared so I could dive. The same visit for the same service in Australia costs no more than about $50. I don't think the price in Australia is lower because its higher in the US.
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:41 PM Author: Frum orange striped hyena "Only in the sense that because US residents usually grossly overpay for drugs and medical devices (e.g. $600 epipens that sell for $20 in Australia) then those superprofits extracted from the US market give BigPharma more scope to accept less for the same products in negotiations with foreign governments. "
Yes, exactly.
"However I don't see how the superprofits from providing medical services translate into foreign medical services being cheaper. E.g. the last time I was in Hawaii I got charged $270 to visit the doctor to have a blockage in my ear cleared so I could dive. The same visit for the same service in Australia costs no more than about $50. I don't think the price in Australia is lower because its higher in the US"
I can't comment on every particular product or service as compared from one U.S. location to any international location. Lots of shit is really expensive in Hawaii. Don't know if that has anything to do withit.
But the superprofits to be made in the U.S. market affect whether certain drugs/devices are available at all, anywhere, because the money is only invested if the profits can be made. Maybe if large profits are no longer available in the U.S., European nations will allow for greater profits to be made in their countries, so ensure that development does not slow. Or maybe certain technologies simply won't be developed (or be developed as quickly as they otherwise would). |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:48 PM Author: big naked spot I don't see how this is any sort of argument for the status quo in the US. Wouldn't US consumers be much better off if the US government was as protective of their interests as foreign governments are of their citizens? If that means that foreigners end up paying more why does that matter?
Even if that does mean the total profit pool shrinks and possibly the pace of medical research is slowed then given that most treatments are not cutting edge and in the US there are many people who can't afford even basic treatment let alone cutting edge then isn't this a worthwhile tradeoff? |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 8:11 PM Author: Frum orange striped hyena It's certainly not an argument that the status quo is great. It's not. But the problem is that if we start paying less, there is no guarantee that foreigners will start paying more to pick up the slack. Thus, if we start paying less, there is a significant risk that the level or rate of development will fall off for everyone.
Whether that's a worthwhile tradeoff is not an easy answer, especially considering all the other tradeoffs involved in a lot of single-payer systems (wait times, etc.).
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Date: September 22nd, 2017 10:42 AM Author: sickened out-of-control theater 29 raises a good point. The US has a hard-on for medical innovation beyond what is optimal with respect to the provision of healthcare. Most patients don't need anything that cutting edge. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34267916) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2017 10:39 AM Author: sickened out-of-control theater "But the superprofits to be made in the U.S. market affect whether certain drugs/devices are available at all, anywhere, because the money is only invested if the profits can be made."
In college while studying the global AIDS crisis it occurred to me that the greater the intellectual property protections for healthcare innovation, the more innovation we'd see in AIDS treatment, particularly since AIDS is something that Americans tend to care greatly about relative to the scope of the problem (versus heart disease and other ailments).
At the time, a HIV (and herpes) killing lubricant was progressing through regulatory approvals and needed more investment. But the leftists wanted to permit generic production so that the lube could be available in the third-world equally quickly as the first world. But, by requiring that the company do that, it inhibited the capital investment needed to bring the gel to the market. I argued that we need to offer IP protections against generics for 7 years.
I was rudely told that I was completely wrong and a moron for making such a suggestion. Which at the time I took to mean I misunderstood the issue, before I realized that their goal wasn't to maximize the well-being that could be gained from such technology, but rather to spite those who profit from healthcare and to punish Americans for being wealthy.
They also refused to acknowledge that condom sex is inferior and believed that African men resisted condom use due to cultural pressure that wearing condoms is unmasculine and thus didn't see much utility for this gel. |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:48 PM Author: Shivering smoky skinny woman cumskin Link to outrageous corporate profits? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263708) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 9:01 PM Author: Shivering smoky skinny woman cumskin LINK TO COMPANY WITH SUPERPROFITS YOU ILLITERATE MORON? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34264254) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:06 PM Author: slap-happy soul-stirring nursing home best system in the world for boomers to run a half marathon with bionic joints then celebrate with rock hard dicks and pussies protected from childbirth blowout, all the while feeling safe about how our advanced cardio care will prevent them from running or fucking to death (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263373) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:07 PM Author: orchid coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263379) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:09 PM Author: Balding Electric Keepsake Machete Juggernaut (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263387) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:28 PM Author: Shivering smoky skinny woman cumskin yeah! that's pretty fucking awesome! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263517) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:57 PM Author: vibrant sienna hospital rigpig If it works so well in Switzerland why not here! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263311) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:00 PM Author: Glassy house crotch switzerland doesn't have single payer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263321) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:08 PM Author: orchid coffee pot Here’s some math that explains why: USA - nigs = Switzerland |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:11 PM Author: irate bossy temple (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263397) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:01 PM Author: Glassy house crotch Oh look, 29 with a nonresponsive poast. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263337) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:00 PM Author: Glassy house crotch Country is full of degenerates. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263326) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:12 PM Author: Frum orange striped hyena That's a stupid question. We can. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263402) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:12 PM Author: irate bossy temple (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263406) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:22 PM Author: Emerald Startling Cruise Ship Some folks in here say otherwise. Why dont we? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263465) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:16 PM Author: Odious liquid oxygen demographics and politics make socialized medicine, or anything approaching it, a non-starter in the US. what we should be focusing on are ways to improve are shitty, bloated system for the majority of folks. for example, negotiating down prescription drugs like every other country does. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263438) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:21 PM Author: Emerald Startling Cruise Ship Why do make it a non starter? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263459) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:24 PM Author: Sexy Therapy because the middle class is already being taxed out of existence and single payer would be the death blow, not to mention that once combined with open borders - which it will be - there's not enough wealth in the world to fund a global welfare state. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263484) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:28 PM Author: Emerald Startling Cruise Ship So single payer works in other countries because they have more secure borders and its citizens arent taxed as much as the US? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263512) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:28 PM Author: Sexy Therapy in what countries are you claiming it "works" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263520) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:32 PM Author: Emerald Startling Cruise Ship Canada, Taiwan, Australia, UK, Japan(?) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263560) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:33 PM Author: Sexy Therapy single payer in Canada and UK is awful. Everyone pays for private just to jump ahead. Taiwan and Australia have very strict immigration policies to keep the system contained. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263572) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:41 PM Author: big naked spot I don't think a true single payer where only the gov pays for everything is best anyway.
The best systems (Germany, Switzerland, France, Australia, Singapore etc) have mixed systems. The government pays for comprehensive coverage for everyone via public hospitals and subsidising doctors visits and pharmaceuticals and medical devices. That way everyone is covered and nobody is hit with bankrupting medical bills.
On top of this you then have the option of taking out your own private health insurance which lets you have more choices when it comes to doctors and private hospitals and lets you queue jump for non urgent treatments. In Australia about half the population elect to do this.
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Date: September 21st, 2017 8:14 PM Author: Frum orange striped hyena I like this idea, I just don't know how to make sure it works in the U.S. and don't trust politicians to get it right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263948) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:36 PM Author: Shivering smoky skinny woman cumskin So it's never worked in a large diverse country? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263599) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:43 PM Author: Emerald Startling Cruise Ship Is that the issue then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263648) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:31 PM Author: Balding Electric Keepsake Machete Juggernaut maybe we're not taxing the rich enough? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263550) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:32 PM Author: Shivering smoky skinny woman cumskin The rich pay more than 85%. How much should they pay? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263558) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:36 PM Author: Balding Electric Keepsake Machete Juggernaut enough to pay for universal healthcare for their workers and UBI for the people they put out of work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263595) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:38 PM Author: Shivering smoky skinny woman cumskin LOL sorry this is america faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263621) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:39 PM Author: Balding Electric Keepsake Machete Juggernaut sorry but we're coming for the means of production (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263625) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:49 PM Author: Shivering smoky skinny woman cumskin You'll never have a chance. We'll collapse first. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263716) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 9:25 PM Author: spruce glittery pozpig 100%. They're the ones pushing us into spending trillions on bullshit wars. They can pay for them themselves. Some guy making 45k shouldn't have to sacrifice a quarter of his salary to build missiles for Israel or w/e. They're pushing open borders and destroying the country. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34264448) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:24 PM Author: abnormal wagecucks pocket flask (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263488) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:30 PM Author: Balding Electric Keepsake Machete Juggernaut majority of the country supports single payer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263541) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 10:30 PM Author: Shivering smoky skinny woman cumskin Cool so pass the law (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34265013) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:32 PM Author: Very Tactful Pea-brained Crackhouse Hairy Legs "demographics and politics make socialized medicine, or anything approaching it, a non-starter in the US."
Demographics? No.
Politics? For now. |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:48 PM Author: Odious liquid oxygen we're a bunch of fat, graying poors that hate each other. i don't think an uptick in the latino percentage of the population, who are more likely to support welfare programs, is going to significantly change the political calculus.
we're locked into ARE FREE MARKETS shitsystem. |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:27 PM Author: cerebral giraffe corn cake American inventors (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263507) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:33 PM Author: Shivering smoky skinny woman cumskin Every estimate shows that it would double the size of government, which would mean my taxes would double. I'd save $8k a year in healthcare costs, but I'd pay way way more than that in additional taxes. So, no thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263568) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:39 PM Author: Balding Electric Keepsake Machete Juggernaut that's not how any of this works you utter moron (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263622) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:49 PM Author: Shivering smoky skinny woman cumskin Sure it doesn't buddy. Sure it doesn't! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263718) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 8:15 PM Author: Balding Electric Keepsake Machete Juggernaut (guy that thinks the government works exactly like his household budget) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263964) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 8:24 PM Author: Shivering smoky skinny woman cumskin (guy who thinks the government is more efficient than my household) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34264030) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:43 PM Author: irate bossy temple Dumbest (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263652) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 8:12 PM Author: Glassy house crotch I always lol when you call someone else dumb (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263931) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 8:15 PM Author: irate bossy temple That's a cute schtick but I'm actually pretty fucking smart bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263966) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 8:28 PM Author: Glassy house crotch lulz, adorable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34264059) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 10:33 PM Author: irate bossy temple Grrrrrr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34265047) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:44 PM Author: Indigo degenerate police squad Historically: The U.S. had an affordable health care system with robust private health insurance availability, meaning there wasn't enough political support for a single-payer system, once they created one for the main interest groups in favor, the very old and the very poor.
Today: The U.S. system is absurdly bloated and expensive, making the prospect of a federal takeover horrifying. The current system is perhaps even more terrible, but the devil you know... |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 8:13 PM Author: Glassy house crotch He's alive!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263936) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 9:09 PM Author: Indigo degenerate police squad ...did people think I died? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34264297) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 9:15 PM Author: shaky stage shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34264346) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 8:14 PM Author: Sexy Therapy dude... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263949) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 8:21 PM Author: Multi-colored sanctuary Sir: If alcohol weren't poison I'd gladly send you a bottle of Jefferson's bourbon. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34264010) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 9:09 PM Author: cruel-hearted property preventive strike Get Tucker to give us a shout out. We need moar poasters! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34264300) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 9:14 PM Author: Dashing Twisted Mexican boomers immigrants unemployeds feminists fats (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34264341) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 10:34 PM Author: lascivious bull headed foreskin stag film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34265052) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 10:36 PM Author: flatulent parlor guy who lives in a first world country here, sup (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34265068) |