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Dumb here. Why can't US have single payer healthcare?

when many other EU countries and Canada do?
.;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,
  09/21/17
You're assuming we want one or that it's a good thing.
I really wanna fuck your 15 yo daughter
  09/21/17
niggers
HoldUpHoldUpWhat
  09/21/17
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Rust Austen
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below knee amputee [BKA]
  09/21/17
/thread
AYD
  09/21/17
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,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,
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Dwyane Wade
  09/21/17
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@realmanowar
  09/21/17
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Ciroc Obama
  09/21/17
Sorry but BigMed and BigPharma demand extreme profit margins
twentynine
  09/21/17
Why is there not equal Abbo wealth and university attendance...
HoldUpHoldUpWhat
  09/21/17
Link to their extreme profit margins? If no link, I'll ass...
Patriots elected Trump, Randy
  09/21/17
Even more Guatemalans and reduced drug development and medic...
apple martin
  09/21/17
25 mil ... err ... only "11 million" illegals
my dog admires MEGATHOR more than I do
  09/21/17
So it's an issue of too many people in the US?
.;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,
  09/21/17
Illegals, unemployables, and the democrats who want more of ...
my dog admires MEGATHOR more than I do
  09/21/17
If you really don't get why without having to be told, you m...
below knee amputee [BKA]
  09/21/17
Ok, agreed. But I cant change the op title. Can you answer m...
.;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,
  09/21/17
You're question is completely disingenuous. Fuck you.
below knee amputee [BKA]
  09/21/17
Im serious. Im trying to get a clear answer.
.;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,
  09/21/17
Yep you're question is completely disingenuous. F*ck you.
honiara
  09/21/17
There's absolutely no reason why. We already spend 3x per ca...
Hitler Did Nothing Wrong
  09/21/17
once again, Prager U with the answers https://www.youtube...
RCP90
  09/21/17
This is interesting, but without reference to the bullshit t...
IronMonkey
  09/21/17
this is obviously biased w an agenda.
spaceporn2525
  09/21/17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbBKoyjFLUY
spaceporn2525
  09/21/17
(CNN viewer)
RCP90
  09/21/17
Then you should be able to easily refute it with facts and l...
Patriots elected Trump, Randy
  09/21/17
...
LTDanKaffe
  09/21/17
These make sense. But still,doesn't explain why single payer...
.;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,
  09/21/17
"works" is an ambiguous standard.
IronMonkey
  09/21/17
nonwhites
deus vult
  09/21/17
...
pepito
  09/21/17
Unfettered social safety net isn't compatible with open bord...
gibberish
  09/21/17
because we can't afford it!!!!!!11 *spends $700 billion o...
I'm a chad btw
  09/21/17
I lived in the UK - single payer sucks. I have a lot of C...
3some pumo
  09/21/17
I like in the US. People having to rely on Gofundmes for any...
I'm a chad btw
  09/21/17
Only irresponsible people
Patriots elected Trump, Randy
  09/21/17
freedom hater
I'm a chad btw
  09/21/17
*pays $20,000/year for a high deductible family plan*
~~(>' ' )>
  09/21/17
yeah it worked great in Vermont!
Maori woman performing defiant haka
  09/21/17
Because we don't want to pay 2X in taxes for shittier care
Patriots elected Trump, Randy
  09/21/17
dumb
spaceporn2525
  09/21/17
US pays more than double per capita other western countries ...
twentynine
  09/21/17
We have the best care in the world. We develop all the tech...
Patriots elected Trump, Randy
  09/21/17
Even dumber.
spaceporn2525
  09/21/17
The US doesn't develop all the technology. Having great c...
twentynine
  09/21/17
Obviously not *all* the technology, but the profits to be ma...
IronMonkey
  09/21/17
...
spaceporn2525
  09/21/17
Only in the sense that because US residents usually grossly ...
twentynine
  09/21/17
"Only in the sense that because US residents usually gr...
IronMonkey
  09/21/17
I don't see how this is any sort of argument for the status ...
twentynine
  09/21/17
It's certainly not an argument that the status quo is great....
IronMonkey
  09/21/17
29 raises a good point. The US has a hard-on for medical in...
Allahu Cock-Bar!
  09/22/17
"But the superprofits to be made in the U.S. market aff...
Allahu Cock-Bar!
  09/22/17
Link to outrageous corporate profits?
Patriots elected Trump, Randy
  09/21/17
LINK TO COMPANY WITH SUPERPROFITS YOU ILLITERATE MORON?
Patriots elected Trump, Randy
  09/21/17
best system in the world for boomers to run a half marathon ...
.,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,,..,:::,...,:..,.:..:.,:.::,.
  09/21/17
...
AYD
  09/21/17
...
I'm a chad btw
  09/21/17
yeah! that's pretty fucking awesome!
Patriots elected Trump, Randy
  09/21/17
If it works so well in Switzerland why not here!
gibberish
  09/21/17
switzerland doesn't have single payer
Tasty Taste
  09/21/17
Here’s some math that explains why: USA - nigs = Switzerlan...
AYD
  09/21/17
...
spaceporn2525
  09/21/17
Oh look, 29 with a nonresponsive poast.
Tasty Taste
  09/21/17
Country is full of degenerates.
Tasty Taste
  09/21/17
That's a stupid question. We can.
IronMonkey
  09/21/17
...
spaceporn2525
  09/21/17
Some folks in here say otherwise. Why dont we?
.;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,
  09/21/17
demographics and politics make socialized medicine, or anyth...
the challenge of a heterosexual relationship
  09/21/17
Why do make it a non starter?
.;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,
  09/21/17
because the middle class is already being taxed out of exist...
Maori woman performing defiant haka
  09/21/17
So single payer works in other countries because they have m...
.;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,
  09/21/17
in what countries are you claiming it "works"
Maori woman performing defiant haka
  09/21/17
Canada, Taiwan, Australia, UK, Japan(?)
.;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,
  09/21/17
single payer in Canada and UK is awful. Everyone pays for p...
Maori woman performing defiant haka
  09/21/17
I don't think a true single payer where only the gov pays fo...
twentynine
  09/21/17
I like this idea, I just don't know how to make sure it work...
IronMonkey
  09/21/17
So it's never worked in a large diverse country?
Patriots elected Trump, Randy
  09/21/17
Is that the issue then?
.;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,
  09/21/17
maybe we're not taxing the rich enough?
I'm a chad btw
  09/21/17
The rich pay more than 85%. How much should they pay?
Patriots elected Trump, Randy
  09/21/17
enough to pay for universal healthcare for their workers and...
I'm a chad btw
  09/21/17
LOL sorry this is america faggot
Patriots elected Trump, Randy
  09/21/17
sorry but we're coming for the means of production
I'm a chad btw
  09/21/17
You'll never have a chance. We'll collapse first.
Patriots elected Trump, Randy
  09/21/17
100%. They're the ones pushing us into spending trillions on...
Harvey Weinstein
  09/21/17
Forget the drugs a saline drip can cost you 3k when material...
pepito
  09/21/17
majority of the country supports single payer
I'm a chad btw
  09/21/17
Cool so pass the law
Patriots elected Trump, Randy
  09/21/17
"demographics and politics make socialized medicine, or...
~~(>' ' )>
  09/21/17
we're a bunch of fat, graying poors that hate each other. i...
the challenge of a heterosexual relationship
  09/21/17
American inventors
.,..,....,.,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:...,:.::,
  09/21/17
Every estimate shows that it would double the size of govern...
Patriots elected Trump, Randy
  09/21/17
that's not how any of this works you utter moron
I'm a chad btw
  09/21/17
Sure it doesn't buddy. Sure it doesn't!
Patriots elected Trump, Randy
  09/21/17
(guy that thinks the government works exactly like his house...
I'm a chad btw
  09/21/17
(guy who thinks the government is more efficient than my hou...
Patriots elected Trump, Randy
  09/21/17
Dumbest
spaceporn2525
  09/21/17
I always lol when you call someone else dumb
Tasty Taste
  09/21/17
That's a cute schtick but I'm actually pretty fucking smart ...
spaceporn2525
  09/21/17
lulz, adorable
Tasty Taste
  09/21/17
Grrrrrr
spaceporn2525
  09/21/17
Historically: The U.S. had an affordable health care system ...
CharlesXII
  09/21/17
He's alive!!
Tasty Taste
  09/21/17
...did people think I died?
CharlesXII
  09/21/17
...
Baby, there's Trump outside (blankbump=/=endorse)
  09/21/17
dude...
Maori woman performing defiant haka
  09/21/17
Sir: If alcohol weren't poison I'd gladly send you a bottle ...
state your IQ before I engage you further
  09/21/17
Get Tucker to give us a shout out. We need moar poasters!
@realmanowar
  09/21/17
boomers immigrants unemployeds feminists fats
Waingro
  09/21/17
...
Ciroc Obama
  09/21/17
guy who lives in a first world country here, sup
nyuug
  09/21/17


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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:07 PM
Author: .;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,


when many other EU countries and Canada do?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34262973)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:07 PM
Author: I really wanna fuck your 15 yo daughter

You're assuming we want one or that it's a good thing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263378)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:08 PM
Author: HoldUpHoldUpWhat

niggers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34262978)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:09 PM
Author: .,.:.:.,:,.,:,..:.:,:.:,:,,.:.,.,:.::,




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34262986)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:26 PM
Author: Rust Austen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263110)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:28 PM
Author: below knee amputee [BKA]



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263125)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:07 PM
Author: AYD

/thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263375)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:13 PM
Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263413)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 8:23 PM
Author: Dwyane Wade (PlayaJ@gmail.com)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34264028)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 9:00 PM
Author: @realmanowar (man o' war)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34264245)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 10:31 PM
Author: Ciroc Obama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34265031)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:09 PM
Author: twentynine (hyperintelligent cute sexkittenish chick)

Sorry but BigMed and BigPharma demand extreme profit margins

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34262982)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:10 PM
Author: HoldUpHoldUpWhat

Why is there not equal Abbo wealth and university attendance u racist?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34262991)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:38 PM
Author: Patriots elected Trump, Randy

Link to their extreme profit margins? If no link, I'll assume you're a dumb.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263615)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:11 PM
Author: apple martin

Even more Guatemalans and reduced drug development and medical research

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34262996)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:12 PM
Author: my dog admires MEGATHOR more than I do (oh, fortuitous nuclear blast!)

25 mil ... err ... only "11 million" illegals

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263002)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:15 PM
Author: .;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,


So it's an issue of too many people in the US?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263019)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:16 PM
Author: my dog admires MEGATHOR more than I do (oh, fortuitous nuclear blast!)

Illegals, unemployables, and the democrats who want more of both to keep their political power ... yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263027)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:16 PM
Author: below knee amputee [BKA]

If you really don't get why without having to be told, you might actually be a retard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263022)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:19 PM
Author: .;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,


Ok, agreed. But I cant change the op title. Can you answer my question tho?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263043)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:21 PM
Author: below knee amputee [BKA]

You're question is completely disingenuous. Fuck you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263063)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:09 PM
Author: .;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,


Im serious. Im trying to get a clear answer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263389)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:31 PM
Author: honiara

Yep you're question is completely disingenuous. F*ck you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263145)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 10:37 PM
Author: Hitler Did Nothing Wrong

There's absolutely no reason why. We already spend 3x per capita on public healthcare compared to Canada or the UK. (((DRUG COMPANIES))) need to be brought to heel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34265077)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:16 PM
Author: RCP90

once again, Prager U with the answers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCU1JQzvoyM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBfC1YG9wIs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3GfCmbPDN0

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263026)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:35 PM
Author: IronMonkey

This is interesting, but without reference to the bullshit that goes on in privately run/financed hospitals, it doesn't mean much.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263165)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:53 PM
Author: spaceporn2525

this is obviously biased w an agenda.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263282)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:00 PM
Author: spaceporn2525

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbBKoyjFLUY

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263323)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:22 PM
Author: RCP90

(CNN viewer)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263468)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 8:59 PM
Author: Patriots elected Trump, Randy

Then you should be able to easily refute it with facts and logic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34264241)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 9:03 PM
Author: LTDanKaffe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34264267)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:30 PM
Author: .;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,


These make sense. But still,doesn't explain why single payer works in other countries

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263540)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:36 PM
Author: IronMonkey

"works" is an ambiguous standard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263594)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:17 PM
Author: deus vult

nonwhites

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263031)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:21 PM
Author: pepito



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263071)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:18 PM
Author: gibberish

Unfettered social safety net isn't compatible with open borders immigration policy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263041)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:29 PM
Author: I'm a chad btw

because we can't afford it!!!!!!11

*spends $700 billion on the military like NBD*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263133)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:33 PM
Author: 3some pumo

I lived in the UK - single payer sucks.

I have a lot of Canadian friends - single payer sucks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263153)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:34 PM
Author: I'm a chad btw

I like in the US. People having to rely on Gofundmes for any catastrophic injury or illness sucks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263159)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:49 PM
Author: Patriots elected Trump, Randy

Only irresponsible people

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263263)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:09 PM
Author: I'm a chad btw

freedom hater

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263390)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:32 PM
Author: ~~(>' ' )>

*pays $20,000/year for a high deductible family plan*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263561)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:33 PM
Author: Maori woman performing defiant haka

yeah it worked great in Vermont!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263158)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:48 PM
Author: Patriots elected Trump, Randy

Because we don't want to pay 2X in taxes for shittier care

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263255)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:50 PM
Author: spaceporn2525

dumb

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263270)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:52 PM
Author: twentynine (hyperintelligent cute sexkittenish chick)

US pays more than double per capita other western countries do, for a poorer health system.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263279)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:54 PM
Author: Patriots elected Trump, Randy

We have the best care in the world. We develop all the technology and any poor metrics are due to the fact that we are so much richer we can afford to be morbidly obese.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263286)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:56 PM
Author: spaceporn2525

Even dumber.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263297)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:56 PM
Author: twentynine (hyperintelligent cute sexkittenish chick)

The US doesn't develop all the technology.

Having great care for people with very good insurance or the ability to pay massive bills out of their own pockets is not the same as having a good health care system.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263303)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:10 PM
Author: IronMonkey

Obviously not *all* the technology, but the profits to be made in the U.S. market do subsidize healthcare in foreign markets to some extent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263395)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:13 PM
Author: spaceporn2525



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263410)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:32 PM
Author: twentynine (hyperintelligent cute sexkittenish chick)

Only in the sense that because US residents usually grossly overpay for drugs and medical devices (e.g. $600 epipens that sell for $20 in Australia) then those superprofits extracted from the US market give BigPharma more scope to accept less for the same products in negotiations with foreign governments.

However I don't see how the superprofits from providing medical services translate into foreign medical services being cheaper. E.g. the last time I was in Hawaii I got charged $270 to visit the doctor to have a blockage in my ear cleared so I could dive. The same visit for the same service in Australia costs no more than about $50. I don't think the price in Australia is lower because its higher in the US.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263559)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:41 PM
Author: IronMonkey

"Only in the sense that because US residents usually grossly overpay for drugs and medical devices (e.g. $600 epipens that sell for $20 in Australia) then those superprofits extracted from the US market give BigPharma more scope to accept less for the same products in negotiations with foreign governments. "

Yes, exactly.

"However I don't see how the superprofits from providing medical services translate into foreign medical services being cheaper. E.g. the last time I was in Hawaii I got charged $270 to visit the doctor to have a blockage in my ear cleared so I could dive. The same visit for the same service in Australia costs no more than about $50. I don't think the price in Australia is lower because its higher in the US"

I can't comment on every particular product or service as compared from one U.S. location to any international location. Lots of shit is really expensive in Hawaii. Don't know if that has anything to do withit.

But the superprofits to be made in the U.S. market affect whether certain drugs/devices are available at all, anywhere, because the money is only invested if the profits can be made. Maybe if large profits are no longer available in the U.S., European nations will allow for greater profits to be made in their countries, so ensure that development does not slow. Or maybe certain technologies simply won't be developed (or be developed as quickly as they otherwise would).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263632)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:48 PM
Author: twentynine (hyperintelligent cute sexkittenish chick)

I don't see how this is any sort of argument for the status quo in the US. Wouldn't US consumers be much better off if the US government was as protective of their interests as foreign governments are of their citizens? If that means that foreigners end up paying more why does that matter?

Even if that does mean the total profit pool shrinks and possibly the pace of medical research is slowed then given that most treatments are not cutting edge and in the US there are many people who can't afford even basic treatment let alone cutting edge then isn't this a worthwhile tradeoff?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263703)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 8:11 PM
Author: IronMonkey

It's certainly not an argument that the status quo is great. It's not. But the problem is that if we start paying less, there is no guarantee that foreigners will start paying more to pick up the slack. Thus, if we start paying less, there is a significant risk that the level or rate of development will fall off for everyone.

Whether that's a worthwhile tradeoff is not an easy answer, especially considering all the other tradeoffs involved in a lot of single-payer systems (wait times, etc.).



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263916)



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Date: September 22nd, 2017 10:42 AM
Author: Allahu Cock-Bar!

29 raises a good point. The US has a hard-on for medical innovation beyond what is optimal with respect to the provision of healthcare. Most patients don't need anything that cutting edge.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34267916)



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Date: September 22nd, 2017 10:39 AM
Author: Allahu Cock-Bar!

"But the superprofits to be made in the U.S. market affect whether certain drugs/devices are available at all, anywhere, because the money is only invested if the profits can be made."

In college while studying the global AIDS crisis it occurred to me that the greater the intellectual property protections for healthcare innovation, the more innovation we'd see in AIDS treatment, particularly since AIDS is something that Americans tend to care greatly about relative to the scope of the problem (versus heart disease and other ailments).

At the time, a HIV (and herpes) killing lubricant was progressing through regulatory approvals and needed more investment. But the leftists wanted to permit generic production so that the lube could be available in the third-world equally quickly as the first world. But, by requiring that the company do that, it inhibited the capital investment needed to bring the gel to the market. I argued that we need to offer IP protections against generics for 7 years.

I was rudely told that I was completely wrong and a moron for making such a suggestion. Which at the time I took to mean I misunderstood the issue, before I realized that their goal wasn't to maximize the well-being that could be gained from such technology, but rather to spite those who profit from healthcare and to punish Americans for being wealthy.

They also refused to acknowledge that condom sex is inferior and believed that African men resisted condom use due to cultural pressure that wearing condoms is unmasculine and thus didn't see much utility for this gel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34267894)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:48 PM
Author: Patriots elected Trump, Randy

Link to outrageous corporate profits?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263708)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 9:01 PM
Author: Patriots elected Trump, Randy

LINK TO COMPANY WITH SUPERPROFITS YOU ILLITERATE MORON?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34264254)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:06 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,,..,:::,...,:..,.:..:.,:.::,.


best system in the world for boomers to run a half marathon with bionic joints then celebrate with rock hard dicks and pussies protected from childbirth blowout, all the while feeling safe about how our advanced cardio care will prevent them from running or fucking to death

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263373)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:07 PM
Author: AYD



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263379)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:09 PM
Author: I'm a chad btw



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263387)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:28 PM
Author: Patriots elected Trump, Randy

yeah! that's pretty fucking awesome!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263517)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:57 PM
Author: gibberish

If it works so well in Switzerland why not here!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263311)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:00 PM
Author: Tasty Taste

switzerland doesn't have single payer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263321)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:08 PM
Author: AYD

Here’s some math that explains why:

USA - nigs = Switzerland

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263384)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:11 PM
Author: spaceporn2525



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263397)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:01 PM
Author: Tasty Taste

Oh look, 29 with a nonresponsive poast.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263337)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:00 PM
Author: Tasty Taste

Country is full of degenerates.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263326)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:12 PM
Author: IronMonkey

That's a stupid question. We can.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263402)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:12 PM
Author: spaceporn2525



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263406)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:22 PM
Author: .;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,


Some folks in here say otherwise. Why dont we?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263465)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:16 PM
Author: the challenge of a heterosexual relationship

demographics and politics make socialized medicine, or anything approaching it, a non-starter in the US. what we should be focusing on are ways to improve are shitty, bloated system for the majority of folks. for example, negotiating down prescription drugs like every other country does.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263438)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:21 PM
Author: .;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,


Why do make it a non starter?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263459)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:24 PM
Author: Maori woman performing defiant haka

because the middle class is already being taxed out of existence and single payer would be the death blow, not to mention that once combined with open borders - which it will be - there's not enough wealth in the world to fund a global welfare state.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263484)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:28 PM
Author: .;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,


So single payer works in other countries because they have more secure borders and its citizens arent taxed as much as the US?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263512)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:28 PM
Author: Maori woman performing defiant haka

in what countries are you claiming it "works"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263520)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:32 PM
Author: .;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,


Canada, Taiwan, Australia, UK, Japan(?)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263560)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:33 PM
Author: Maori woman performing defiant haka

single payer in Canada and UK is awful. Everyone pays for private just to jump ahead. Taiwan and Australia have very strict immigration policies to keep the system contained.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263572)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:41 PM
Author: twentynine (hyperintelligent cute sexkittenish chick)

I don't think a true single payer where only the gov pays for everything is best anyway.

The best systems (Germany, Switzerland, France, Australia, Singapore etc) have mixed systems. The government pays for comprehensive coverage for everyone via public hospitals and subsidising doctors visits and pharmaceuticals and medical devices. That way everyone is covered and nobody is hit with bankrupting medical bills.

On top of this you then have the option of taking out your own private health insurance which lets you have more choices when it comes to doctors and private hospitals and lets you queue jump for non urgent treatments. In Australia about half the population elect to do this.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263634)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 8:14 PM
Author: IronMonkey

I like this idea, I just don't know how to make sure it works in the U.S. and don't trust politicians to get it right.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263948)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:36 PM
Author: Patriots elected Trump, Randy

So it's never worked in a large diverse country?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263599)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:43 PM
Author: .;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,


Is that the issue then?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263648)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:31 PM
Author: I'm a chad btw

maybe we're not taxing the rich enough?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263550)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:32 PM
Author: Patriots elected Trump, Randy

The rich pay more than 85%. How much should they pay?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263558)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:36 PM
Author: I'm a chad btw

enough to pay for universal healthcare for their workers and UBI for the people they put out of work

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263595)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:38 PM
Author: Patriots elected Trump, Randy

LOL sorry this is america faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263621)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:39 PM
Author: I'm a chad btw

sorry but we're coming for the means of production

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263625)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:49 PM
Author: Patriots elected Trump, Randy

You'll never have a chance. We'll collapse first.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263716)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 9:25 PM
Author: Harvey Weinstein (Putting the "panic" back in Hispanic)

100%. They're the ones pushing us into spending trillions on bullshit wars. They can pay for them themselves. Some guy making 45k shouldn't have to sacrifice a quarter of his salary to build missiles for Israel or w/e. They're pushing open borders and destroying the country.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34264448)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:24 PM
Author: pepito

Forget the drugs a saline drip can cost you 3k when materials add up to like 10 bucks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263488)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:30 PM
Author: I'm a chad btw

majority of the country supports single payer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263541)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 10:30 PM
Author: Patriots elected Trump, Randy

Cool so pass the law

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34265013)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:32 PM
Author: ~~(>' ' )>

"demographics and politics make socialized medicine, or anything approaching it, a non-starter in the US."

Demographics? No.

Politics? For now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263555)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:48 PM
Author: the challenge of a heterosexual relationship

we're a bunch of fat, graying poors that hate each other. i don't think an uptick in the latino percentage of the population, who are more likely to support welfare programs, is going to significantly change the political calculus.

we're locked into ARE FREE MARKETS shitsystem.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263700)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:27 PM
Author: .,..,....,.,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:...,:.::,


American inventors

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263507)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:33 PM
Author: Patriots elected Trump, Randy

Every estimate shows that it would double the size of government, which would mean my taxes would double. I'd save $8k a year in healthcare costs, but I'd pay way way more than that in additional taxes. So, no thanks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263568)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:39 PM
Author: I'm a chad btw

that's not how any of this works you utter moron

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263622)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:49 PM
Author: Patriots elected Trump, Randy

Sure it doesn't buddy. Sure it doesn't!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263718)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 8:15 PM
Author: I'm a chad btw

(guy that thinks the government works exactly like his household budget)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263964)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 8:24 PM
Author: Patriots elected Trump, Randy

(guy who thinks the government is more efficient than my household)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34264030)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:43 PM
Author: spaceporn2525

Dumbest

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263652)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 8:12 PM
Author: Tasty Taste

I always lol when you call someone else dumb

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263931)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 8:15 PM
Author: spaceporn2525

That's a cute schtick but I'm actually pretty fucking smart bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263966)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 8:28 PM
Author: Tasty Taste

lulz, adorable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34264059)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 10:33 PM
Author: spaceporn2525

Grrrrrr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34265047)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:44 PM
Author: CharlesXII (CharlesXII)

Historically: The U.S. had an affordable health care system with robust private health insurance availability, meaning there wasn't enough political support for a single-payer system, once they created one for the main interest groups in favor, the very old and the very poor.

Today: The U.S. system is absurdly bloated and expensive, making the prospect of a federal takeover horrifying. The current system is perhaps even more terrible, but the devil you know...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263661)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 8:13 PM
Author: Tasty Taste

He's alive!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263936)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 9:09 PM
Author: CharlesXII (CharlesXII)

...did people think I died?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34264297)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 9:15 PM
Author: Baby, there's Trump outside (blankbump=/=endorse)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34264346)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 8:14 PM
Author: Maori woman performing defiant haka

dude...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34263949)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 8:21 PM
Author: state your IQ before I engage you further

Sir: If alcohol weren't poison I'd gladly send you a bottle of Jefferson's bourbon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34264010)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 9:09 PM
Author: @realmanowar (man o' war)

Get Tucker to give us a shout out. We need moar poasters!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34264300)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 9:14 PM
Author: Waingro

boomers immigrants unemployeds feminists fats

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34264341)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 10:34 PM
Author: Ciroc Obama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34265052)



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Date: September 21st, 2017 10:36 PM
Author: nyuug (Cucking niggaz with dat Big Korean Cock. All DAY.)

guy who lives in a first world country here, sup

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739215&forum_id=2#34265068)