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NYT op-ed by Harvard prof argues for human biodiversity
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:48 PM Author: Arousing Address Genital Piercing "I am worried that well-meaning people who deny the possibility of substantial biological differences among human populations are digging themselves into an indefensible position, one that will not survive the onslaught of science."
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-race.html
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:50 PM Author: Arousing Address Genital Piercing The reader comments from unhinged shitlibs are LULZy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35672959) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 6:49 PM Author: Dashing opaque ticket booth Lol their voice matters!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35673464) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 8:55 PM Author: light talking jewess candlestick maker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35674466) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:54 PM Author: garnet sweet tailpipe famous landscape painting 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35673007) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:54 PM Author: Wine Hyperactive Blood Rage commenters MAF! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35673014) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:51 PM Author: Mint Aromatic Senate Please post the best entries to the MAF contest. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35710286) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:56 PM Author: Coral multi-colored church building ladyboy what's the lib endgame here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35673032) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 6:03 PM Author: pearly range dragon one obvious measure of religious power is the ability to enforce obviously false ideas as social orthodoxy. the smarter ones seem to be actively exploring the boundaries of how strong their religion is basically (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35673104) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 6:35 PM Author: underhanded whorehouse kitty cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35673386) |
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Date: March 24th, 2018 2:44 AM Author: Gay Thriller Liquid Oxygen spin, ratfucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35676150) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 6:12 PM Author: cracking beta public bath voyeur "if genetic differences tied to race influence behavior, just treating each other with 'dignity'/creating equality of opportunity isn't enough, we need pigouvian taxes to create equality of outcome"
that's where it's headed/where we are |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 6:35 PM Author: underhanded whorehouse kitty cat or just show the niggers the door (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35673391) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:57 PM Author: hairraiser bearded black woman Razib was posting this earlier.
Still nothing from Sailer on it.
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:59 PM Author: Brindle Garrison c&p (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35673058) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 6:01 PM Author: Chest-beating affirmative action some dumbs in comments
Duncan Osborne NYC, NY4h ago Times Pick Spare me the concerned scientist posture.
If you are a researcher who believes that genetics predicts performance on an IQ test, you also have to concede that the differences in performance on those tests between groups has changed over time with the lowest performing groups showing improvement and performance among all groups improving over time. This disproves the thesis that intelligence, whatever that is, is genetic and shows that environment most certainly plays a role. |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 6:03 PM Author: big-titted forum useless brakes lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35673109) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 6:06 PM Author: high-end locus This guy doesn't even know the Flynn effect is concentrated in non-g loaded portions of IQ tests and in any event scarcely impacts group differencess what a rube (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35673124) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 6:07 PM Author: Domesticated mentally impaired mexican i think the comments section gave me AIDS, i didn't close it in time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35673127) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 6:13 PM Author: Smoky self-centered chapel "Times Pick" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35673185) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 6:30 PM Author: silver theater weed whacker (Enrolls beagle in Head Start program) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35673350) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 6:32 PM Author: Swashbuckling love of her life sound barrier (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35673360) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:48 PM Author: Puce electric tanning salon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35710271) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:45 PM Author: spectacular burgundy area Whatever that is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35675119) |
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Date: March 24th, 2018 7:34 AM Author: galvanic pit ceo Holy shit - but unfortunately many non-retarded libs I've talked to have this kind of thinking.
Their minds are so warped by identity politics and the great big boogeyman of racism - that their default argument in these discussion is against a strawman who thinks it's 100% genetic determinism. The fact that the gaps in group-level outcomes/measurements have changed over time is 100% expected.
There's gene-environment interactions, we never said environment contributes 0% you dimwitted delusional freaks. |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 6:07 PM Author: Trip kitchen telephone how come i know that niggers are dumber than any other race except native americans, by nature, and this so-called harvard geneticist dosent know that? why are our tax dollars going to this freak? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35673132) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 6:08 PM Author: Domesticated mentally impaired mexican good question, friend. we should pull his public funding and re-distribute it to minority populations who are in need due to their low average IQs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35673138) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 6:32 PM Author: hairraiser bearded black woman Don't forget Abbos.
Abbos are significantly dumber than even straight up subsuharan Africans.
Even the smartest 1/3rd of them are too dumb to hold down the most menial of jobs. No matter how hard Austrailia tries. |
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Date: March 24th, 2018 12:10 PM Author: slippery orange box office sneaky criminal The fucked up endgame of this is that social programs designed to prevent this end up benefitting shameless whites who have a sliver of minority ancestry to pimp out
Look at these "indigenous" doctors ljl: https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/health/close-gap-growing-aboriginal-and-torres-strait-islander-medical-workforce |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 6:13 PM Author: garnet sweet tailpipe famous landscape painting this is a NYT pick. lmao
steve nyc9h ago Times Pick This is an important discussion to have and Reich approaches it with appropriate caution. However, he may commit a common philosophical and scientific error.
In his explication of cognition or intelligence, he cites both intelligence tests and years of education. What he does not acknowledge is that both of these measures, which he admits are imperfect, are measures of those things that a controlling population has deemed of value. While I'm not a slavish devotee of theories of multiple intelligence, it is clear from my work as an educator, that many people are brilliant and perceptive in ways that are not measured by standard assessments or valued in the selection process that is a gateway to continuing education.
The self-fulfilling prophetic issue is that a set of "intelligences" and a set of social traits have been ordained as the default standard, thereby perpetuating the perceived value of those humans who determined the standard and possess those particular traits. |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 6:15 PM Author: cerebral tripping hall lol.
"My cat, Mr. Cuddles, is better than snuggling than any other being I have known. How are you to say that Mr. Cuddles is not as "intelligent" as anyone else?" |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 6:33 PM Author: orchid yapping athletic conference lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35673377) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 6:47 PM Author: silver theater weed whacker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35673453) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 8:17 PM Author: Wine Hyperactive Blood Rage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35674203) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:49 PM Author: Puce electric tanning salon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35710278) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 6:16 PM Author: Trip kitchen telephone this guy writes like my ass bleeds from excessive diarrhoea. that is, its trying to lubricate a pathway for his shit, which is ample and boisterous -- which fortunately belongs in a toilet, like his ideas. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35673212) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 6:48 PM Author: hairraiser bearded black woman Well said. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35673458) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 8:21 PM Author: Mint Aromatic Senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35674223) |
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Date: March 24th, 2018 2:42 AM Author: Appetizing mad-dog skullcap brunch graphic and 180 metaphor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35676146) |
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Date: March 24th, 2018 7:35 AM Author: galvanic pit ceo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35676384) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 6:14 PM Author: garnet sweet tailpipe famous landscape painting another NYT pick that also proudly claims WE WUZ KANGZ
John Graubard NYC10h ago Times Pick The problem is not that humans differ in many ways, or that these differences are caused by our genetic background. It is not either that these variations tend to be grouped by place of origin, or that these variations do lead to differing abilities.
The problem is that we instinctively categorize people into all-or-nothing groups, and then treat these groups as the only relevant factor. Then, we impose tribalism to define "our" group as superior to the rest. That leads to such absurd results as portraying the ancient Egyptians as white (they were black) or the Chinese as backwards (in 1400 they were the most powerful and advanced country).
Indeed, modern genetic research demonstrates that all non-Africans contain Neanderthal genes. So, if you belong to that group, remember that you, and not they, are descendents of what we have put down as the cavemen. |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 6:47 PM Author: silver theater weed whacker It's true. The caves Neanderthals sometimes hung out in look pretty shitty next to the garden condos covering the Great Rift Valley. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35673452) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 6:16 PM Author: Irradiated Chad Larry Upstate NY4h ago There was no effort to address the interaction between genes and environment in Reich's article. It sounds like the reified genetics of the 1950s, not considering the role of epigenetics in shaping the reality of genetic expression. Plus, he is completely naive to the ways articles such as this can be misused for political reasons. |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 6:33 PM Author: Swashbuckling love of her life sound barrier jfc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35673378) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 8:18 PM Author: Wine Hyperactive Blood Rage lol at the arrogance of these "people" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35674209) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 6:35 PM Author: silver theater weed whacker I read a lot of human genetic diversity papers that came out as next-generation sequencing hit. Every single one would show all these differences and then a mealy-mouthed discussion about why it doesn't really matter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35673388) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 6:35 PM Author: impressive glittery gaping national There is no genetic basis for race, but there are a lot of phenotypes that correlate depending on where you anscestors came from.
Good news - we can test to see if you have the smart gene independent of what gene you have for skin color and you can prove the haters wrong.
Bad news - we can test to confirm what we suspect, that *you* do not have the smart gene. |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 8:19 PM Author: hairraiser bearded black woman It makes no sense to say that "there is no genetic basis for race" and "there are a lot of phenotypes that correlate depending on where you anscestors came from"
Those two ideas are mutually exclusive and only make sense if you play the shitlib game of changing the definition of race. |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 8:48 PM Author: impressive glittery gaping national sorry, I meant what we call race is a collection of phenotypes that tend to correlate based on origin of ancestry. It's not like there is one gene that expresses white people to look and act a certain way and black people to look and act a certain way. But it is certainly true that people evolved to have a bunch of genes expressing phenotypes that cluster based on where you are from.
Unfortunately skin color is the easiest to see and least important phenotype. But if the "IQ" phenotype tends to be missing or express differently in people with west african heritage, and those people also happen to usually have dark skin, so be it. |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 8:50 PM Author: hairraiser bearded black woman Wrong way to look at race. A Race is just an extended family that tends to share certain phenotypes in certain frequencies because of shares common ancestors increasing/decreasing the likihood of those genes.
Saying race is not a valid concept is absolutely absurd and requires language games.
It's equally as absurd as saying family is not a valid concept. |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 8:54 PM Author: Bonkers pisswyrm hissy fit But, in reality, most people call East Africans from Eritrea "black" and West Africans from Ivory Coast "black," even though they may be as genetically different overall as two people who people would classify into different "races."
Race is a valid concept, but it's an imperfect correlation with actual genes. |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 8:57 PM Author: hairraiser bearded black woman Yes.
And almost not categories are perfect. Some imperfection does not invalidate a category. As long as there's some statistical validity, it's a valid category. |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 9:14 PM Author: Bonkers pisswyrm hissy fit As I stated, race is a valid concept. Also, the more finely we distinguish, the more closely the sub-categories will correlate to actual genes.
Edit: But as Earl was pointing out, the most easily visible phenotypes that people often use to classify race are not necessarily the most closely correlated to genetic similarity.
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 8:59 PM Author: Passionate theater stage Just try to plot races as dots on a graph and see how silly that objection is.
Sure, if East Africans are at (5,5) and West Africans are at (5,0) while Europeans are at (0,0), they're as far apart from each other as Europeans are from West Africans, but the cluster "African" still gives you information about where they are.
Genetics may be far more dimensional than that, but it is still entirely possible that some traits cluster by 'race' even if there is significant variation within a race. |
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Date: March 24th, 2018 7:56 AM Author: aquamarine painfully honest people who are hurt meetinghouse >There is no genetic basis for race
https://www.google.com/search?as_st=y&tbm=isch&as_q=human+genetics+pca+plot |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 8:55 PM Author: Passionate theater stage I sent this to all my outlook contacts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35674463) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 9:11 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal Party Of The First Part Tmrw there's gonna be a solid wall where your office door had been (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35674615) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 9:18 PM Author: Passionate theater stage guess I'll have to ram my cart through it without hesitating (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35674645) |
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Date: March 24th, 2018 2:30 AM Author: Magenta dilemma *george constanza crawling through HVAC vent into office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35676116) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:37 PM Author: offensive startling lay I thought libs loved diversity? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35675059) |
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Date: March 24th, 2018 11:34 AM Author: Aggressive fuchsia station 180
i predict that he's going to be crucified for exactly the same reason watson, wade, jensen were even though he does the ritualistic shaming of watson and wade to try to separate himself from them. |
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Date: March 24th, 2018 11:36 AM Author: high-end locus After all, what did Watson ever do for biology or Jensen for psychology. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35677050) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 7:49 PM Author: French indigo community account nah I actually think he timed it just right to get away with it in terms of where the science is and where the culture is. in the wreckage of the obama coalition elite libs don't have the same obligations they used to have and can push the envelope on what the NYT is allowed to print. and apparently a few people have been privately warming up to this stuff a bit.
I'm on tenterhooks tbh |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:46 PM Author: garnet sweet tailpipe famous landscape painting how the fuck does this thread not have even 100 replies? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35710256) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 7:17 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal Party Of The First Part pity bump 4 U (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927126&forum_id=2#35712217) |