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Date: March 30th, 2021 1:03 AM Author: Burgundy rehab idea he suggested
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/law-rankings
Yale 1
Stanford 2
Harvard 3
Columbia 4
Chicago 4
NYU 6
Penn 6 (!!!!!!!)
UVA 8
UC Berkeley 9
Duke 10
Michigan 10
Northwestern 12
Cornell 13
UCLA 14 (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Georgetown 15
UTA 16
Vandy 16
WUSTL 16 (!!!!!!)
USC 19
BU 20
no one cares about ranking after that
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4798769&forum_id=2#42188212) |
Date: March 30th, 2021 1:06 AM Author: misunderstood psychic national security agency
Y
S
H
CCNP
DMBV
N
C
UCLA
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4798769&forum_id=2#42188222) |
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Date: March 30th, 2021 1:11 AM Author: out-of-control stag film
lol, wtf happened here?
1 Stanford
2 Wharton
3 Boof
4 Kellogg
5 Harvard
5 Sloan
7 Columbia
7 Haas
9 Yale
10 Tuck
10 Stern
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4798769&forum_id=2#42188229)
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Date: March 30th, 2021 9:48 AM Author: Metal Station
Stanford - Peer: 4.8, Recruiter: 4.5
Wharton - Peer: 4.8, Recruiter: 4.5
Booth - Peer: 4.7, Recruiter: 4.4
Kellogg - Peer: 4.6, Recruiter: 4.3
HBS - Peer: 4.8, Recruiter: 4.4
MIT Sloan - Peer: 4.8, Recruiter: 4.4
CBS - Peer: 4.5, Recruiter: 4.2
Berkeley Haas - Peer: 4.6, Recruiter: 4.2
Yale - Peer: 4.4, Recruiter: 4.2
Dartmouth Tuck - Peer: 4.2, Recruiter: 4.1
NYU Stern - Peer: 4.3, Recruiter: 3.9
Duke Fuqua - Peer: 4.3, Recruiter: 4.0
Michigan Ross - Peer: 4.3, Recruiter: 4.1 (their medians suck)
UVA Darden - Peer: 4.1, Recruiter: 4.0
Cornell Johnson - Peer: 4.1, Recruiter: 3.8
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4798769&forum_id=2#42189054) |
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Date: March 30th, 2021 1:55 AM Author: outnumbered striped hyena
Not an expert on what exactly determines these rankings, but they will probably burn money trying to make it happen, for a few of the following reasons. Also, I'm not a 3L anymore; these are just my experiences.
1. People from Saint Louis love their city unironically, in a way that you can't really understand if you are from one of the coasts. WUSTL is the best university for 300 miles around, and has a Harvard level status there, except that common St. Louisers don't hate WashU. They also want to restore the city to its past cultural level. The 3rd Olympics were held in Saint Louis, and the track and field stuff happened on WashU's campus.
2. Desire to get the law school up to the level of the other grad/professional programs. WUSTL Med is a top 5 school. Same with the design school and the social work school.
3. They have a shit ton of money. WashU's endowment is something like ~8B. Georgetown's is ~1B and change. They have and will throw(n) heavy scholarships to people to get the GPA/LSAT numbers where they think they need to be.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4798769&forum_id=2#42188415) |
Date: March 30th, 2021 1:28 AM Author: Floppy Bipolar Jewess
Goddamn GULC sucks. As does Michigan. I'd go to / hire vanderbilt over either.
CLS and Chi tied, with NYU a step down tied with UPenn, seems right to me and is always how I've subjectively ranked them (I put Duke with Penn and NYU, too, but whatever). NYU sucks and REEKS of that second-choice smell (vis-a-vis CLS), and Penn always struck me as stronger than, particularly, UVA and Mich.
Cornell should be higher but it being #13 is like a tradition now.
University of Florida ("Levin", lol jfc) is apparently going to be a top-20 school soon? Can't stop thinking of that place (the U. as a whole, not necessarily the LS, about which I know nothing) as a joke. Seeing it above UNC-Chapel Hill and William & mary and notre dame and shit doesn't pass the smell test for me. Of course, noted educational powerhouse Alabama is like 3 ranks down.
My worry about H isn't that it'll ever be thought of badly, but when you've got 700 kids/class to place, you really don't want to start being thought of by even a portion of BL firms as "NYU but with prestige".
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4798769&forum_id=2#42188288) |
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Date: March 30th, 2021 1:33 AM Author: cowardly brethren chapel
(Clearly a Southerner)
Literally nobody talks about Emory outside of the South and we non-Southerners have no idea what "Georgia natives" love either.
What is "Tulane"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4798769&forum_id=2#42188321) |
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Date: March 30th, 2021 9:52 PM Author: Judgmental Useless Brakes Property
This is false.
Everyone in Georgia knows that if you want to attend a school that will get you placed OUTSIDE of the South, then you attend Emory.
If you want to maintain a great reputation and network in the South, then you attend UGA (or even Georgia State). Both are affordable and Boomers trip over themselves when you tell them, "HOW 'BOUT DEM DAWGS!?"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4798769&forum_id=2#42193607) |
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Date: March 30th, 2021 9:53 PM Author: Judgmental Useless Brakes Property
That will be fucking hilarious.
GSU surpassing Emory?
BAAAAAAAHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4798769&forum_id=2#42193613) |
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Date: March 30th, 2021 9:10 AM Author: Bright step-uncle's house
Duke: like Penn. not Southern.
Vanderbilt: overrated and pleasant.
UVA: good enough. Misplaced arrogance.
UNC: UVA minus some "Mr. Jefferson" bullshit.
Emory: Duke with less quality and no name rec. Nobody's first choice.
William and Larry: Have fun on DOG street and at the "delis"; this place truly sucks.
Ofc as you know every university is mostly gone by now
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4798769&forum_id=2#42188924) |
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Date: March 30th, 2021 9:21 AM Author: Vivacious alpha
absurd flame that xo dorks think duke is loved in the south.
Carolinians call it "the university of new jersey at durham"
The idea that vandy or emory or especially tulane are "southern" is hilarious
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4798769&forum_id=2#42188963) |
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Date: March 30th, 2021 1:43 AM Author: misunderstood psychic national security agency
Youre entitled to you opinion, but I’m not sure it’s borne out by the facts on the ground. While I wouldn’t group NYU with CC, P and D field weaker classes
Look at their 25%s; incredibly TTT
25% of P’s class scored 163 or lower; by contrast NYU’s 25% is 167
Not sure how (based on the strength of the class) they’re even comparable tbh
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4798769&forum_id=2#42188366) |
Date: March 30th, 2021 9:10 AM Author: comical alcoholic scourge upon the earth menage
Y
HS
CCN
MVPDNB
CG
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4798769&forum_id=2#42188926)
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Date: March 30th, 2021 10:01 AM Author: misunderstood psychic national security agency
V10 and judges seem to think so and that's all that really matters
Truth be told, if NYU had as tiny of a class as Chicago they'd probably have more impressive stats; even with double the class size they have the same LSAT stats
If anything it should be: Y SH CC N MVP; but if you think Penn with its smaller class and pink little 25% 163 LSAT is comparable to NYU I'd tend to disagree
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4798769&forum_id=2#42189107) |
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Date: March 30th, 2021 10:32 AM Author: misunderstood psychic national security agency
Date: March 30th, 2021 10:24 AM
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I apologize, brother. I'm VERY sorry nyu sucks dick compared to chicago and everyone knows it
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4798769&forum_id=2#42189291) |
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Date: March 30th, 2021 10:50 AM Author: mind-boggling stage main people
Correct. But that's equally true of Penn. As I've said in other threads for purposes of filling the ranks of the V10 it's more like
HS
CCNP
But no one outside of an NYU grad thinks that their school is in the same tier as far as prestige / access / clerking / reputation as CC. And I'd argue if you look to the V5 you'll more clearly see the CC vs. N distinction anyway.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4798769&forum_id=2#42189375) |
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Date: March 30th, 2021 11:06 AM Author: misunderstood psychic national security agency
"equally true of Penn"; I'm just not seeing it; especially considering their 250 person class size, if what you're saying is true then they'd have better representation.
Wrt UChi, I'll concede that their clerking access is better, but I'd reckon that's a result of the school taking an active interest in pushing their students in that career direction. I won't argue about CLS bc they're clearly better represented in V10 (for clerking I'm not sure).
Again, based on the facts (outcomes, LSAT, class size), it's not clear to me where all this UChi and Penn fetishizing comes from and if it's even warranted. V10 breakdown below.
Cravath: NYU: 74; Penn: 28; UChi: 20
Wachtell: NYU: 42; Penn: 13; UChi: 12
Skadden: NYU: 148; Penn: 82; UChi: 71
Sullivan: NYU: 57; Penn: 27; UChi: 29
Latham: NYU: 125; Penn: 58; UChi: 63
Kirkland: NYU: 132; Penn: 57; UChi: 158
Davis Polk: NYU: 119; Penn: 42; UChi: 16
Thacher: NYU: 81; Penn: 48; UChi: 36
Gibson, Dunn: NYU: 100; Penn: 79; UChi: 54
Paul, Weiss: NYU: 171; Penn: 70; UChi: 33
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FXmCM-AGN8q9XRoU8gt0MU_ptciyMHca5uKGD_hGxvs/edit#gid=0
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4798769&forum_id=2#42189452) |
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Date: March 30th, 2021 11:37 AM Author: misunderstood psychic national security agency
"so we looked at the data"
Listen, bucko, I'm not Bobo the clown here to splice and dice the data based on your preferences
If you want to make your point you're welcome to do so, as I provided the link
My case is rested
LAW SCHOOL POWER RANKINGS:
Y
SH
CLS, NYU
UChi, Penn State
UVA, Mich, BoalTTT
Dook, Cornell, UCLA
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4798769&forum_id=2#42189612) |
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Date: March 30th, 2021 10:11 AM Author: elite tattoo trump supporter
Date: March 30th, 2021 9:46 AM
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Does referring to the “T14” even make sense now if it’s in flux? Wasn’t the whole point that the T14 had always been the same schools?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4798769&forum_id=2#42189167) |
Date: March 30th, 2021 11:14 AM Author: Fluffy rigor
So, it’s....
Y
HS
[not worth the money] CC
[not worth it for full scholarship] everything else
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4798769&forum_id=2#42189498) |
Date: March 30th, 2021 11:15 AM Author: Laughsome pontificating azn Subject: Peer Reputation Rankings:
Peer Rank/ Peer Score School Overall Rank
1/ 4.8 Harvard 3
1/ 4.8 Stanford 2
1/ 4.8 Yale 1
4/ 4.7 Columbia 4
5/ 4.6 Chicago 4
5/ 4.6 NYU 6
7/ 4.5 UC-Berkeley 9
8/ 4.4 Michigan 10
8/ 4.4 Penn 6
8/ 4.4 Virginia 8
11/ 4.3 Cornell 13
12/ 4.2 Duke 10
12/ 4.2 Georgetown 15
12/ 4.2 Northwestern 12
15/ 4.1 Texas 16
15/ 4.1 UCLA 14
17/ 4.0 Vanderbilt 16
18/ 3.7 Washington Univ. 16
19/ 3.6 Emory 29
19/ 3.6 Minnesota 22
19/ 3.6 UC-Irvine 35
19/ 3.6 USC 19
23/ 3.5 Boston Univ. 20
23/ 3.5 George Washington 27
23/ 3.5 North Carolina 24
23/ 3.5 Notre Dame 22
23/ 3.5 UC-Davis 35
https://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2021/03/2022-us-news-law-school-peer-reputation-rankings-and-overall-rankings.html
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4798769&forum_id=2#42189501) |
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Date: March 30th, 2021 3:39 PM Author: Laughsome pontificating azn
In one of his more bizarre routines, Savage contrasted the teams of lawyers the Bush and Gore campaigns sent to Florida to contest the 2000 election results. The Gore lawyers, according to Savage, were "NYU red diaper doper babies," but also "curly-haired boys from NYU," "little guys from NYU with big glasses" (12/10/02; 12/24/02).
Savage made it clear these exotic creatures were no match for the Bush lawyers (12/10/02):
"But then, as Republicans called out the high-powered WASPy lawyers . . . guys I hadn't seen for years, guys that gave me a chill. . . . The guys they got looked like they could pose for dollar bills. You know, fifties, hundreds . . . the WASP establishment! And I love these guys. I mean, they built a great country; it's a great nation. I don't like little guys from NYU with big glasses. I don't want them on my fifty-dollar bill. You know what I'm saying?"
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We don't want little guys with big glasses from NYU; we want Mainline WASPs from UPenn!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4798769&forum_id=2#42191210) |
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Date: March 30th, 2021 3:49 PM Author: misunderstood psychic national security agency
(Penn StaTTTe grad)
On a more serious note, I could see this happening; NYU will predictably respond by going on a fundraising-spree anticipating the same
However, I don't think NYU will debase itself by changing its name to the NYU Carey Law School anytime soon
Unlike its UG, NYU grad schools have cachet, and I don't anticipate the Law School rolling over like a dog and letting Penn State steamroll it, regardless of how large Penn's war chest is
I think it's more likely that the administration, which is all too cognizant of the fact that it's lost steam the last few years, will pull some NYU Langone fuckery
For reference, in the span of 3 years, NYU Medical School went from #15-#20 to #2
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4798769&forum_id=2#42191302)
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Date: March 30th, 2021 9:26 PM Author: Unhinged piazza death wish
nyu will "debase" itself asap. other schools in other depts have already done so and its common, plus what actual cachet does "NYU" have compared to even UPenn? absolutely zero, youd have to be a law teen or autist to even know about nyu law as a powerhouse of international and public interest scholarship filled with CENTERS within CENTERS achieving practical and academic excellence.
UPenn suffers two problems, one intangible and the other non. The first is that its in philly and no one wants to live there. CAREY can do nothing to remediate this except hope that NYC futher declines into a rancid ttt thus mitigating the problems of philly to an average applicant.
second, it has no identity or character except to be a biglaw mill. this can be exploited in two ways a) come to us and youll get BIGLAW and b) to create some sort of an identity. the identity can be easy to create considering it it flush with cash like an nyu grad cannot believe. just create the supreme national center for racial justice and the preeminent obgynglbt clinic and transition center and you should have enough to draw people away from nyu, which has no natural claim to the 6th position.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4798769&forum_id=2#42193417)
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Date: March 30th, 2021 4:26 PM Author: Burgundy rehab idea he suggested
not sure but they're adding "graduate debt" as a metric
https://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/understanding-and-implications-of-the-new-usnwr-law-school-rankings-methodology/
i appreciate the thought but i don't think it should factor in the same way as LSAT/GPA/employment. if your cost of attendance is low because your family is helping you/you got a scholarship, it doesn't make sense that your school is "worse" because your peers are poor/taking out loans.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4798769&forum_id=2#42191535) |
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