This is actually one of her more sensible columns. However, her stupid patronizing tone is always there. Note her repeatedly saying "Well, you must have known...." And maybe shes right, but two years later the girl is fucking sick of it.

Secondly, I love how she is always "sad" to hear that "such young attorneys" are "so unhappy."

I cannot wait until she dies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=530457&forum_id=2#7035174)

However I agree that her advice is not very useful. Maybe it would've worked if she had written something like, "Maybe you should have thought about what you wanted instead of just going to the highest-Vault firm, you retarded prestige whore" -- but she didn't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=530457&forum_id=2#7035951)

She is like some tranny big law partner in disguise. "You are so lucky" "how can you be unhappy when so many out there would love to ohave your position?" "Since you didnt mention your grades, I assume they are bad," etc.

I don't understand how such a toolish bitch actually attracts associates to be placed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=530457&forum_id=2#7036085)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=530457&forum_id=2#7138622)

Her customers are law firms. She writes with that in mind.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=530457&forum_id=2#7040533)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=530457&forum_id=2#7041880)

http://www.nylawyer.com/display.php/file=/lawlorn/06/ad120406

Awesome. Fall off a building and die.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=530457&forum_id=2#7137009)

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Dear Ann:

I am a second-year student at a top 10 law school. Despite a reasonably good transcript and a resume with prior U.S.-based business experiences, my job search has been an exercise in frustration. As an immigrant (I also completed my undergraduate education here), I thought that my foreign language fluency would be attractive to the New York based international law firms. While I managed to secure call back invitations from many such firms, I failed to convert most of them into actual job offers.

If the commonly held understanding that once you received a call back then the job is yours to lose is correct, then I must be doing something consistently and horribly wrong when visiting the offices of prospective employers. I did a number of mock interviews with my career service counselors and they did not identify a major flaw. I can think of two possible problems.

First, I speak with an accent even after taking a number of accent reduction courses. But people have no difficulties understanding me.

Second, I know that sometimes I do not come across as the most social person.

What kind of advice can you give me so that I can become a more marketable candidate in the future? Also, does etiquette allow me to contact my on campus screening interviewers who invited me back to their firms for further interviews? Ideally, I hope to find out from them what I did wrong. I also hope that keeping a line of communications open with them can only help me when I reapply to their firms in the future. Are these two goals realistic?

Regards, Curious

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Dear Curious:

Over the past twelve years of writing this column I have received many questions that I thought were probably made up by people who had nothing better to do with their time than goof on me. Why anyone thinks it is funny to waste their time sending fictitious questions to me is beyond my imagination but clearly they are very bored with their own lives or else perhaps they feel they have been treated poorly by headhunters in the past and are just trying to find a way to get back at one of us. Whatever.

At any rate, in every question, true or fictitious, there exists an aspect that I believe is worth addressing. So, even though I know some of these questions are pure nonsense, I have published them from time to time because I have found a lesson to be learned buried somewhere beneath their idiocy.

This week's question puzzled me. Should I doubt its veracity? There was even a part that the author asked me not to publish which was so benign that it didn't make sense (and of course, that part has been omitted). Once again, I decided that it didn't matter…there were certain issues in the question that deserved to be addressed whether or not the question is real. So, here goes…

I do not subscribe to the "common understanding" that a call-back interview means the job is yours to lose. That understanding only holds true in specific circumstances (such as when you are going back for a final interview with the decision maker and you are the only candidate left in the process) and as far as I am concerned, is NEVER true after an on-campus interviewer has met with you for twenty minutes and you are invited back to the firm. That one interviewer represents X number of people from the same firm who are interviewing 2Ls from a number of different law schools. There will be a large group of candidates invited back to the firm for a call-back round of interviews. These candidates will then meet several (or more) partners and associates at the firm who will whittle down the number of the final candidates who will receive an offer.

It is difficult to pinpoint exactly why you are not making it through the call-back round of interviews but these are the more difficult interviewing sessions where the interviewers are looking at you as a potential associate with the firm. Perhaps your inability to come across in a social manner (whatever that means) did not allow you to compete with more "social" candidates. Interviewing is tough; perhaps you should work with guidance counselors who specialize in interviewing techniques…this might make a big difference in the outcome of your advanced interviewing rounds. In any event, you need to do an honest evaluation of why none of these firms made you an offer. Based on the composition of the attorneys working at international law firms, I can't imagine that an accent would be the reason for your rejection, and it sounds as if you have worked hard to lose that accent.

I don't think it will really work in your favor to contact the people who interviewed you on-campus to find out what went wrong. First of all, they recommended that you receive a call-back so obviously they didn't think that much went wrong with your initial interview. Secondly, after seeing literally dozens of people at your law school over the course of a few days, the chances of them remembering the specifics of your interview are not great. Lastly, you have been told that these firms are no longer interested in your candidacy. If the interviewers even do take your phone call, which is doubtful, what do you expect them to tell you?

Lastly, unless your OCI interviews were so spectacular and you spent an inordinate amount of time with these interviewers (which isn't probable since there is a schedule to be followed), I am not certain that you are being realistic in thinking that you are keeping lines of communication open by having phone calls with these people. I would not foster hopes that they will be able to - or want to - assist you when you reapply to their firms in the future. Again, unless something out of the ordinary happened between you and the interviewer, you need to recognize that you were just another 2L that they recommended be brought back for an advanced round of interviews.

Now, the real dilemma is what are you going to do for your 2L summer? You need to enlist the help of your career services office and make sure they hear you loud and clear. You are a top student at a top school - they need to pay attention to you. Best wishes!

Sincerely,

Ann M. Israel

President, Ann Israel & Associates

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=530457&forum_id=2#7138588)

"these are the more difficult interviewing sessions where the interviewers are looking at you as a potential associate with the firm."

WTF is the OCI interviewer looking for then, if not a potential associate. Fucking stupid.

"perhaps you should work with guidance counselors who specialize in interviewing techniques"

Didn't she say she already did this, you stupid bitch Ann Israel?

Last, why in the hell would anyone think the question was flame?

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=530457&forum_id=2#7139043)

What knob polishing whore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=530457&forum_id=2#7141386)

Dear Ann:

I'm in the process of choosing a law school and I'm between Fordham and UPenn. My problem is that my ultimate goal is to practice in New York City -- preferably Biglaw -- and I'm worried that if I choose Penn, and move there for the next three years, that I won't be able to get a summer job in NYC because I won't be able to commute from Philly to NYC every day and that this will hurt my chances of working in NYC. Do you think I should pick the better school, Penn, or do you think I should go with the school in the location I'd prefer? Thanks!

Regards,

J.

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Dear J.:

And you wonder why I question the veracity of some of the questions I receive?

But just in case this individual is truly in need of an explanation, this would then be an indication that there might be other people who don't understand how the summer programs work. So, before we all go off to celebrate the holidays, let me take a moment of your time to help J. understand that she couldn't be in a better position to achieve her ultimate goal.

If J. has read any of my past columns then she knows I am going to strongly recommend she choose the University of Pennsylvania over Fordham. Not that Fordham isn't a great regional law school but U Penn is a top ten national law school, one of the very best in the country. I know that I will probably receive some letters from Fordham alum but I do think this is a no-brainer.

So, what happens when it comes time to start your 2L summer job and the firm happens to be in New York? Here's the good news…during that summer you will actually be living in New York. You will be making enough money to afford New York City housing and the firm that employs you will be happy to help you find a nice place to live for the summer. The solution to your dilemma is that simple!

Let's think about this logically . . . if you attend Harvard that doesn't mean you can only work at firms in the Boston area. If you are a law student at Boalt Hall, you aren't limited to law firms in the Bay Area. I think you see where I am going with this. The law firms will be more than happy to welcome you to New York and to assist you in finding appropriate housing.

But let's say for one reason or another you simply cannot leave your apartment in Philadelphia, even for the summer. Believe it or not, there are many people who do that commute every day. It's only an hour on the train each way and you would be surprised how many people working in New York actually live in the Philadelphia area.

And worst case, there are some pretty wonderful BigLaw firms in Philadelphia that, should you decide upon graduation you still want to live in New York, will have offices in New York where you can transfer or you can simply apply to New York BigLaw firms at that time.

Trust me when I tell you that the New York BigLaw firms will all be lined up at the University of Pennsylvania when it is time for you to start your interviews for your 2L summer…they love law students from U Penn and they love bringing them to New York. You have nothing to worry about on that front in terms of achieving your ultimate goal. Just be the best you can be and you will certainly end up with what you want. Best wishes!

And speaking of wishes, I send the best to all of you for a wonderful holiday season and a very happy new year! I look forward to hearing from you in 2007!

Sincerely,

Ann M. Israel

President, Ann Israel & Associates

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=530457&forum_id=2#7253530)

"What? You want a different job? Then you are stupid or you got fired."

This bitch should be shot. If the guy had not included his credentials she would have accused him of going to an "inferior" or "regional" school and implied that the barely grtaduated. Intead, since he said he graduated magna from a top ten, she just didn't focus on the grades.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=530457&forum_id=2#7258829)

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December 19, 2006

By Linda E. Laufer

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I graduated magna cum laude, Order of the Coif, from a Top 10 law school in May of this year. I've been working as an associate for 3-1/2 months at a top firm (according to Vault) in New York. I like my job but think I would be happier, and more likely to stay long-term, in a smaller firm. As a summer associate, I worked at one of my firm's smaller offices and did not get an adequate sense of the larger NY office environment (in retrospect, I should have done so). Before law school, I worked for a couple of small companies, and I am realizing that I probably excel best in smaller organizations, where I have a better day-to-day sense of the work and goals of the organization as a whole and where a more tightly knit community exists.

Would you advise trying to move to a smaller firm within my first year, so that I can start my career at a place where I would be more likely to stay long-term? While I realize that changing jobs during one's career is the norm these days, I would feel more comfortable and motivated if I were working at a place where I could imagine building a lifelong career. I would be willing to sacrifice some salary and bonus for the smaller environment.

Seeking Smaller Scale

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Dear Seeking Smaller Scale:

Your slow realization about the environment at a large NY law firm is surprising. Unless you were shut off from all communication with your classmates, read none of the various surveys and literature, and did not set foot in the NY office until your first day of work, you must have had some idea of what would be in store for you. Of course, lured by the compensation and prestige, you may have known and simply ignored all the signs and your instincts.

Regardless of how you ended up at this point, the first question that comes to mind is: What's your hurry to leave? In your statements that you "probably excel best" and "would be more . . . motivated" in a smaller firm, there is a suggestion that things are not working out very well. This is the time of year for bonuses and evaluations. Have you been told that you are not meeting expectations? Have you been told to start looking around? Or, are you overreacting to some minor criticism and are there steps that you can take to improve your performance?

Even if all is going well, the question remains: Why leave so soon? After only a few months, you have not given yourself much of an opportunity to establish relationships or become immersed in your work. In large firms, it is easy for associates to get lost in the crowd and necessary for them to be active in making themselves visible. Get to know your colleagues and obtain a better sense of the organization during training programs and departmental meetings. If assigned mentors, make sure that you get together with them. Seek out mentors on an informal basis. Become acquainted with the associates in your class, which may take some extra effort since they probably formed bonds during the summer when you were in a different office.

Feeling like you are an important part of the firm and its work also will take effort. Attorneys are busy and under pressure to produce work quickly. They do not always have time to explain to associates much more than the basics about assignments. As a result, associates often feel disconnected from their work. When you are given assignments, ask questions that will provide context for the work that you are being asked to contribute. Make sure that your questions are relevant and do not tax the patience of the assigning attorney. At times, less senior attorneys on the same matter may be able to fill in the details for you.

As long as you have not been asked to leave and "like [your] job," you are more likely to advance your career by staying put for a couple of years. Take advantage of the training programs provided by the firm. Motivate yourself to perform well on your assignments so that the attorneys give you more challenging work. If there is a particular matter on which you would like to work, ask to be assigned to it. Get as much experience as possible so that you will be an attractive candidate to a smaller firm.

Like you, many associates believe that a smaller firm offers a better environment. A great deal depends on the firm's culture and clients. Do not assume that a cut in compensation means a commensurate cut in billable hours. Attorneys at smaller firms still have to answer the demands of their clients. Like larger firms, they are a business and their goal is to make money. If they are a public interest firm and have the additional goal of serving underrepresented members of society, the attorneys still must put in sufficient billable hours to pay the bills.

Smaller firms often seek attorneys with at least a year or two of experience. They need attorneys who can assume significant responsibility with little supervision. Over the course of the next year or so, research smaller firms. Network. Determine which firms will be a good fit for the long term. Scaling down will be a step up if you are adequately prepared.

Sincerely,

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=530457&forum_id=2#7258930)

She wrote a column one time about how women can have it all -- a rewarding BIGLAW career, a great marriage, fulfilling hobbies and still have time to be a doting mother. Hey, if 2 or 3 women can do it then all women can.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=530457&forum_id=2#7260083)

Ann Israel = Stupid Patronizing Bitch.

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Dear Ann:

I didn't get an offer form my summer associate firm and I think it has been haunting me and the only reason I can think of is not something I can say in an interview.

I graduated from a top 20 law school, with honors, and was on law review. My work product was excellent, and my midterm and final reviews were excellent. The managing partner at the final review told me to be optimistic. When the hiring partner came to my school during OCI to recruit the next year's class, he told me "the word on the street is good." A senior partner wrote on my reviews that I was the best summer associate there.

In all honesty, and I'm not searching for a whiny reason, I suspect I didn't get an offer because I was a minority female. I felt very out of place and unwelcome. I honestly felt that I was filling a quota of some sort. To top it off, I was working in a city that is considered to be one of the most liberal cities in the U.S. so this came as rather a shock.

I didn't go to law school in the same region as the firm, so it wasn't until later did I find out from attorneys at other firms (both big and small) that the firm had a lot of question marks surrounding it regarding its treatment of minorities and females. Nobody was surprised about how I felt; some were even the first to ask me how I liked the firm being a minority female. On top of it, my supervising attorney left in the middle of my summer with less than graceful goodbyes (she hated the place), my second supervising attorney left the same month my summer ended (with even less graces than the first). Needless to say, I didn't want to work there, but I was willing to stay for 1-3 years to gain experience before moving.

After graduating, I found a job with a solo practitioner who called up a senior partner at the firm I summered as a reference. The senior partner said that I was an excellent summer associate and had no idea why I did not receive an offer. The solo-practitioner, who has practiced in the area for over 30 years, also made a remark that I didn't get an offer because of "internal problems" with the firm. I've also had lunch with another junior partner and a senior partner that I worked with, and they both said that work product was spot on. The firm gave me some excuse about overestimating how many people they could hire and something about a LLM student coming back to work and a senior associate coming back from maternity leave even though the next year, they hired more summers than they did for my year.

The problem is I would like to find a job at a BigLaw firm. I don't have much work experience and my resume just screams I didn't get an offer. I have three partners and one associate from the old firm as references as well as the solo plaintiff attorney and a professor. However, I haven't received one phone call. In fact, rejection letters come in as early as two days after I send my resume.

So, in a nutshell, my questions are:

1. What's going on?!

2. Am I ever going to get my foot in the door at a BigLaw firm?

3. If and when I do finally get an interview, what should I say when asked why I didn't get an offer? Needless to say I can't say that the firm was conservative and an unfriendly place to work if you are a minority female. Should I just say they overhired and leave it at that?

4. Also, wouldn't staying at a small plaintiff's firm hurt me the longer I stay?

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Dear Offerless:

This should not be. I am having a very difficult time trying to answer your question #1: What's going on?! In my wildest imagination, and if everything you are telling us is exactly as it happened, it just doesn't make any sense. Top 20 school, graduated with honors, law review, a diversity candidate and the firms aren't knocking down your door to meet with you? Just what is going on?

What is really confusing is the fact that it seems any time a reference is checked or you happen to speak with a partner from your summer firm, no one has anything to say about you except that you were a terrific summer associate. You received rave reviews and yet they didn't hire you. This doesn't make sense.

I do agree with you that staying at a small plaintiff's firm is not the best place to be if you want to end up in a BigLaw firm; you are doing the right thing by getting your resume out there sooner rather than later.

Your resume right up to your current employment is beautiful. I don't think the reason you are not getting any interviews is because you didn't get an offer from your summer firm…especially since you are now living in a different city. I think what is really hurting you at this time is that you are working for a solo practitioner in a plaintiff's firm while at the same time trying to get a job in a BigLaw defense firm. I suspect this is the biggest problem.

So, what to do? First thing, get yourself over to your law school's career services office and pound on the door. I can't believe they don't have some connections with a number of the top BigLaw firms seeking highly-credentialed first-year associates. And all of the major law firms have a strong commitment to diversity hiring - this should work in your favor…not against you!

Next, get out there and start networking…go to Bar association events, talk to everyone you know, network in every possible way and let everyone know that you want to work in a BigLaw firm.

Although you probably are too junior to work with recruiters, you might want to speak with several of the top headhunters in your region to see if they have any suggestions or even if they know of any opportunities that might be appropriate for you. You never know.

When you do get an interview(s) at the BigLaw firms and they ask the inevitable question as to why you didn't get an offer at your summer employer, the only way to answer is with the truth: "I really don't know." I wouldn't go into too much detail but I would let the interviewer know that your reviews were stellar and you absolutely felt confident that you were going to receive an offer. You have tried to find out why you didn't get an offer and in fact, several partners from that firm now stand as your references and you invite anyone to call them. But the bottom line is that you are baffled as to why you did not get an offer after the summer because you were told by one senior partner that you were "the best summer associate there."

That's all. Don't be defensive; don't make a big deal out of it. Just tell the truth, simply and to the point.

I remain confused. You have so many people saying such great things about you from that firm. What happened? Someone cast a vote against you, that's for sure. But why? Can you think of anything at all that happened during the summer that might have turned off one of the partners? Could it be, as you suspect, because you are a minority female? That just leaves me speechless. There are all kinds of avenues for you to follow if you really believe that to be the case but in the final analysis, aren't you glad that you don't work there? After all the wonderful things they said to you, and then they didn't give you an offer, why would you want to work there? Good riddance to them! And best wishes to you!

Sincerely,

Ann M. Israel

President, Ann Israel & Associates

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=530457&forum_id=2#7672965)