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Every leftist NPC on my FB timeline is supporting Ukraine
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Date: March 1st, 2025 9:17 AM Author: I?m a short gay Mexican white nationalist Waiting for the conservatard NPC download to balance it out. NPC’s to the left of me, NPC’s to the right of me, stuck in the middle, here I am. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48705276) |
Date: March 1st, 2025 9:31 AM Author: Trumpus Julius Caesar Augustus (TDNW) they’re not even supporting Ukraine, they’re just using this to try and harm Trump politically (lol)
they don’t care that it was a disaster for Ukraine |
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Date: March 1st, 2025 9:41 AM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48705294) |
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Date: March 1st, 2025 11:11 AM Author: you\'re the puppet (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48705459) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 12:07 PM Author: MASE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48707515) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 12:37 PM Author: sealclubber (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48707605) |
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Date: March 1st, 2025 9:32 AM Author: tentacle rape Yup they even changed their profile pics or posted a Ukrainian flag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48705289) |
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Date: March 1st, 2025 9:33 AM Author: Charles Tyrwhitt Dad What does supporting Ukraine in this context mean? I'd think everyone in the US supports Ukraine in the context that Putin was the aggressor and had no excuse for invading and this war is 100% his fault.
Are they volunteering to form battalions to fight against Putin's army? |
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Date: March 1st, 2025 9:43 AM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, cr observation.
by "support" they mean "endless billions for the human meat grinder with no end goal defined or achievable." |
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Date: March 1st, 2025 10:43 AM Author: I?m a short gay Mexican white nationalist Why do you think Putin had no excuse? It’s the bigger stronger country and will take as it pleases. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48705415) |
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Date: March 1st, 2025 11:00 AM Author: LathamTouchedMe “ I'd think everyone in the US supports Ukraine in the context that Putin was the aggressor and had no excuse for invading and this war is 100% his fault.”
The fundamental problem is that the admin doesn’t necessarily subscribe to this. Vance and trump and the new right have an affinity for Orban, the AFD, and Putin. They repeat Russian talking points from Twitter. It’s not crazy to assume trump and Vance have their finger on the scale for Russia. |
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Date: March 1st, 2025 11:10 AM Author: neg Do people who dismiss other's arguments as "believing in X' talking points" think they don't believe in someone else's talking points? Or are they implying that the talking points that they are repeating come from a better source than the other person's? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48705457) |
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Date: March 1st, 2025 11:25 AM Author: LathamTouchedMe Russian taking points have been discussed on this board ad nauseam. It’s a fringe opinion with little factual support. The poster I was responding to asserted that the admin’s position was in line with what the vast majority of westerners believe. I think the problem is that Vance and trump have a lot of sympathy for right-wing authoritarian regimes including Russia. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48705489) |
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Date: March 1st, 2025 8:48 PM Author: Carl Jung eating kike pussy Russia is kinda 180 tbh and we should divide Constantinople with them like we did Berlin.
There are millions of sensitive whites in Russia with rich inner worlds |
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Date: March 1st, 2025 11:39 AM Author: Charles Tyrwhitt Dad I find your post a symptom of TDS at its finest. Is it worthwhile having an even handed discussion about it?
I'd concede that the US made mistakes in handling Ukraine in the past and if someone were to say hubris and arrogance among midwit diplomats encouraged Ukraine to believe they could join Nato down the road plus other actions that upset the Russians, yes, I'd say there's some fault here. But this is not tantamount to justifying Russia's invasion of Ukraine by any stretch of the imagination.
Your going on the record accusing Trump and now Vance of being Putin puppets is bizarre. As Trump said yesterday, it was he who gave Ukraine javelins while Obama gave Ukraine sheets. And part of the deal Trump had lined up was going to continue giving Ukraine weapons. And Trump is right you're not going to bring Putin to the table and get a good deal out of him if you force Trump to badmouth Putin on live TV.
I'm aware people hate Trump for refusing to call Putin a dictator and badmouthing Putin, but "grown up" diplomacy utterly failed under the Biden administration and from the Europeans so when people shout about Trump, just remember they also did diddly squat to bring the war to an end and there is still no plan from them after three years of a brutal invasion and warfare in which hundreds of thousands have died. "Supporting" Ukraine at this point means giving them billions for hundreds of thousands more to die while you get to pat yourself in the back and sleep easily in your safe bedroom in the US, assured you're doing the morally right thing. But is it really morally right? I'm not sure it is, even if it is ostensibly about pushing back Putin, an indisputably evil man. Because if there's one thing life definitely tells us it's that you can never come back from death. Ever. Urging warfare and deaths in the name of morals makes me queasy.
I'm actually now envisioning a situation where because of the rush to defend and justify Zelensky, the Europeans double down on their aid and begin to send peacekeeper forces to support Ukrainians, and next thing you know the whole continent slides into a WWIII that is a parallel to WWI, endless slaughter over inches of land and bankrupting everyone in the process. Everyone is focused on Putin as the next Hitler but it's really WWI with its grand alliances suckering everyone into a disastrous quagmire that is really the better comparison.
Meanwhile China laughs all the way to the bank. |
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Date: March 1st, 2025 1:47 PM Author: LathamTouchedMe It’s not TDS to point out that the “new right” is rooting for Russia and supports Orban. There are guys on this board who work for conservative think thanks that joke about killing “hohols”. There’s little reason to believe trump, given his history and the new right’s support of these dictators, will be a good negotiator and get UKR to a deal that secures long term peace. I don’t think Biden or Europe did a great job either. But that doesn’t mean we should throw our lot in with Russia. I do think both sides are absolutely exhausted now and a good deal for Ukr is possible. I have my doubts that trump and Vance see that as a goal. If the blowback weren’t so immense, they’d probably get rid of the sanctions against Russia. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48705754) |
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Date: March 1st, 2025 2:04 PM Author: butt cheeks (✅🍑) shut the fuck up with your deranged fever dream fantasies (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48705809) |
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Date: March 1st, 2025 2:14 PM Author: Charles Tyrwhitt Dad I'll admit to not being up to date on everything the far - far right may be saying online but to assume what fringe actors may be saying on random corners of the internet means it's what Trump or Vance or normal right wing people must be thinking is also a serious mistake. A good comparison is the ongoing antisemitic outbursts among the far left, it's definitely not what normal leftwing people think.
Trump is a complicated figure and between you and me I'd like to have seen stronger language from him about Putin and Russia's invasion of Ukraine. But I am not going to fall into the trap of believing it means Moscow has some stranglehold over him (after a decade of this belief along the left there's still no evidence whatsoever this is anything more than a left wing conspiracy theory). And especially not Vance.
I can see that both Trump and Vance aren't concerned whether other countries are nice democracies or not, they see the world strictly in transactional terms, US first and what the rest of the world can do for the US. They have seen other "nice democracies" not be very nice to the US and even to the concept of democratic liberalism (thus Vance's speech in Munich a few weeks ago) so they are not interested in playing the game of lots of agreements but no action EU style except the assumption that the US pays the bill every time.
Trump has said many times, many, many times in fact, he wants the war to end. That has always been a clear goal for him. In his ego he sees himself as the ultimate dealmaker (note, not diplomat). His language has always been strongly tinged about the pointlessness of deaths. He is much more realistic and sincere about the actual reality of deaths and bloodshed than you or any nice talking diplomats. He has a valid point that Putin behaved himself under a Trump presidency. He also has a valid point that Putin will remain a regional player in that part of the world and we need to be strategic about it. According to all sources, Trump and Zelenski were very close to signing a deal till the last 10 minutes of the press conference, and ironically enough, it was a deal lambasted by the "grown ups" as having a farcical rare earths component but it would have given Ukraine continued aid and support and a greater American role as a deterrent against Putin in exchange for a mirage Trump could have sold to the skeptics in the US. Now that seems gone (for now).
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Date: March 1st, 2025 2:35 PM Author: LathamTouchedMe I’m not talking about random corners of the internet. I’m talking about statements from trump and Vance echoing a new right philosophy on Putin and Orban. Vance has previously said he could care less about what happens to Ukraine. Trump has for years praised Orban and Putin and echoed putin’s rhetoric on NATO and the rationale for the invasion. Some of the most popular right-wing pundits like tucker praise Russia.
This matters because we can’t trust these two to be good negotiators for UKR. Ending the war in a way that encourages Russia to continue its violence on the continent is not a good deal. If you were pursuing a divorce and you walked in to arbitrator’s office and saw her dressed in a tshirt that said “fuck men. Gurl power!” would you be confident that the resulting decision was going to be a good one for you? You might get finality but certainly not a determination that would be good for your future. The sad part is that a good deal is obtainable now but I think trump and Vance are all too happy to fuck over UKR and stick it to Europe. That’s in line with their rhetoric on the issue. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 12:46 PM Author: sealclubber "we can't trust" is your "we" shitlibs? ukraine can propose someone else to be the mediator if they are part of your "we". who should that be? the us just happens to be a natural mediator for ukraine, at least, because we have funded the bulk of their financing of the war. a mediator has a natural role to not stick up for either side too much nor criticize either side too much, with few exceptions zelensky has somewhat conflicting goals of getting $, looking tough, and winning the war/losing in an acceptable way as trump and vance pointed out, zelensky doesn't have the cards to get all of his goals through force. not even close.
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Date: March 1st, 2025 2:16 PM Author: .,.....,.,.;,.,,,:,.,.,::,...,:,..;,.., No one knows wrf “orban” is you weird foreign fag. People are just sick of you foreign fucks acting like it’s a real issue for America while we have massive inflation and open boarders. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48705843) |
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Date: March 1st, 2025 2:19 PM Author: wypipo I dont care one way or another about Russia, I just know this “Ukraine” nonsense never merited any US involvement whatsoever and I want my fucking money back. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48705848) |
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Date: March 1st, 2025 2:04 PM Author: butt cheeks (✅🍑) correct (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48705810) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 7:28 AM Author: Trump Did Nothing Wrong when he abandoned Ukraine (gunneratttt) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48707044) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 11:46 AM Author: DrakeMallardxo (🦆) >>> But this is not tantamount to justifying Russia's invasion of Ukraine by any stretch of the imagination.
If Russia overthrew the democratically elected government of Mexico, installed a pro-Russian puppet government, and made overtures for that government to join with Russia in a military alliance where Russian weapons and troops would be based in Mexico, a US invasion of Mexico would be more than justified, it would be irresponsible not to invade
xoxo hth |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 11:48 AM Author: The Last Liberal (🧐) No, it wouldn't. Your retarded strawman doesn't detract from the fact that it's not worth millions dying for (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48707455) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 11:51 AM Author: DrakeMallardxo (🦆) This is not a strawman, it is a straightforward analogous comparison
JFK thought it was worth millions dying to keep Soviet missiles out of Cuba. Why does Putin feeling the same vis a vis Ukraine make you so deranged? |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 11:52 AM Author: The Last Liberal (🧐) "But whatabout if this had ACKSHUALLY happened THAT way!"
Just so we're 100% clear:
" a US invasion of Mexico would be more than justified, it would be irresponsible not to invade "
This would 100% be irresponsible and result in millions dead. Pretty funny this is your best argument for why "Russia did nothing wrong" |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 11:54 AM Author: DrakeMallardxo (🦆) Inability to look through another person’s perspective is a sign of low IQ. Add to this your derangement, and it’s just tiresome (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48707480) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 11:55 AM Author: The Last Liberal (🧐) "You're directly addressing my argument but not agreeing and instead calling out how patently absurd it is, therefore you are deranged." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48707482) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 11:56 AM Author: DrakeMallardxo (🦆) You haven’t engaged my point at all. You simply (incorrectly) dismissed it as a strawman.
Keep YSMMFing though |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 11:57 AM Author: The Last Liberal (🧐) "If Russia overthrew the democratically elected government of Mexico, installed a pro-Russian puppet government, and made overtures for that government to join with Russia in a military alliance where Russian weapons and troops would be based in Mexico, a US invasion of Mexico would be more than justified, it would be irresponsible not to invade.
No, actually, it would 100% be irresponsible, an absolute shitshow, and result in millions dead who would otherwise be enjoying perfectly boring lives. Your hypothetical rests on the assumption that most people see no problem with this, and many people would in fact see a huge problem with this. Or did you have a different point other than what I just quoted? |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 11:59 AM Author: DrakeMallardxo (🦆) >>> No, actually, it would 100% be irresponsible and an absolute shitshow. Your hypothetical rests on the assumption that most people see no problem with this, and many people would in fact see a huge problem with this
Facts in evidence on my end: Americans support invading Mexico to solve the Cartel problem, let alone a foreign adversary putting troops and weapons on our border.
Facts in evidence on your end: Your feelings |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 12:03 PM Author: The Last Liberal (🧐) You've now resorted to comparing some toy "military intervention" (which is assuredly what any "invasion of mexico to solve the cartel problem" would realistically look like) with a full-scale invasion of a country with the goal of annexing its territory.
And in any case, would love to see some polling on how Americans feel about a proper Ukraine-style invasion of Mexico just to "solve the cartel problem". Really crazy how quickly the tables turned on "libs are the real warmongers these days!" btw, but I guess that line is already old hat. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 12:05 PM Author: DrakeMallardxo (🦆) I’m not comparing anything. I’m making the point that it does not take much for the American people to support an invasion of a neighbor if they view it as a risk to the USA.
I sincerely hope this helps |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 11:57 AM Author: DrakeMallardxo (🦆) Oh you edited
>>>This would 100% be irresponsible and result in millions dead. Pretty funny this is your best argument for why "Russia did nothing wrong"
No, it wouldn’t. There are certain lines you do not cross in geopolitics, no matter what your bleeding shitlib heart will bleat about
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 12:07 PM Author: The Last Liberal (🧐) Would love to see what our sensible moderates have to say about this POV. And here I thought the whole crux of the thing was how modern libs are evil warmongers, but it turns out some people really do just Want Russia to Win. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48707513) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 12:09 PM Author: DrakeMallardxo (🦆) Modern libs are evil warmongers because they believe in imperialistic wars beyond our shores where vassal states die for our empire’s benefit
Even conservatives would agree that if the homeland is threatened, the calculus changes significantly
You, however, do not appear to be arguing in good faith, and your derangement has you fuming to unreal levels |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 12:11 PM Author: The Last Liberal (🧐) What would "arguing in good faith" look like, exactly, from anyone who disagrees with what you have to say? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48707525) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 12:13 PM Author: DrakeMallardxo (🦆) Not dismissing salient points as strawmen, and not appealing to emotion about only libs believing in wars and anyone disagreeing with you being a Putin-lover
xoxo hth |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 12:14 PM Author: The Last Liberal (🧐) I corrected my mistake and directly addressed it, but you seem unwilling to move on, although I do admire the doubling down on endorsing all out war if it's a "threat to the homeland" (as we all know Russia was at great risk from a US-backed Ukraine government... staring at them menacingly with no nuclear weapons, and thus their invasion was justified.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48707546) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 12:17 PM Author: DrakeMallardxo (🦆) >>> as we all know Russia was at great risk from a US-backed Ukraine government... staring at them menacingly with no nuclear weapons
You say this as if the Obama/Biden admin was not pushing for Ukrainian inclusion into NATO and placement of US troops and missiles in Ukraine |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 12:19 PM Author: The Last Liberal (🧐) That would definitely be tantamount to a realistic threat of a full-scale invasion of Russia, one of the world's two (2) major nuclear powers, and a completely reasonable justification for war and death of millions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48707558) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 12:34 PM Author: DrakeMallardxo (🦆) You are trying to ascribe morality and emotion to great state power politics, and it is cringeworthy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48707600) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 12:43 PM Author: The Last Liberal (🧐) No actually I'm pretty sure I'm more directly arguing your excuse to justify a Russian invasion is pitiful at best because in no universe does even a full-on US-Glowie Ukraine NATO State pose any realistic military threat to Russia. But please keep telling me what I'm "trying to ascribe" just because you're used to trotting out the same anti-lib boilerplate without thinking about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48707613) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 1:09 PM Author: DrakeMallardxo (🦆) >>> No actually I'm pretty sure I'm more directly arguing your excuse to justify a Russian invasion is pitiful at best because in no universe does even a full-on US-Glowie Ukraine NATO State pose any realistic military threat to Russia.
Are you a Russian national, let alone a Russian leader? Then your opinion is worthless in this endeavor. They view it as a threat, and who are you to tell them otherwise? |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 11:49 AM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48707457) |
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Date: March 1st, 2025 2:18 PM Author: Horus Lupercal They're the only sane politicians in Europe. The only leaders who are actually forcefully advocating for their own people.
Anyone with a brain has an affinity for them |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 7:38 AM Author: internet g0y Wait wait wait
What in the world is 'wrong' with Orban and the AfD?
You just have this built in assumption that its 'wrong' to support a party that opposes having ones country being taken over by brown immigrants? |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 9:07 AM Author: LathamTouchedMe I’m not arguing that AFD and Orban are wrong (though I believe they are). I’m pointing out to the establishment right-winger above that the new right sympathizes with Russia. One need only look at who they support (pro Russian parties and politicians in Europe) to see what’s going on. Ukr is right to be skeptical of any deal trump and Vance put out there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48707143) |
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Date: March 1st, 2025 11:12 AM Author: you\'re the puppet Actually, lots of people in America disagree with that but the second part seems cr. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48705462) |
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Date: March 1st, 2025 9:49 AM Author: The Last Starfighter The leftists are mostly tankies who think Russia is the USSR and it's defeating US capitalist hegemony (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48705301) |
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Date: March 1st, 2025 9:55 AM Author: warlock those are far left, most "leftists" in America are neo-libs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48705314) |
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Date: March 1st, 2025 9:55 AM Author: The Last Starfighter Those are liberals (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48705317) |
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Date: March 1st, 2025 10:54 AM Author: lex right. the true leftists (marxists etc.) i know are rather quiet on social media. neo-libs/spiritual boomers/etc., on the other hand... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48705431) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 8:28 AM Author: Trump Did Nothing Wrong when he abandoned Ukraine (gunneratttt) leftists accurately see this as two somewhat different capitalist regimes fighting a proxy war for imperial influence. they might not like putin but they also know the wests role and motivation isn't altruistic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48707100) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 11:38 AM Author: lex noam chomsky and pat buchanan holding hands and giggling as they watch CNN in hospice (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48707413) |
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Date: March 1st, 2025 11:42 AM Author: chilmata This is surprising? Most people don’t critically think about politics, they emotionally choose a side and then ride or die and get as passionate as religion about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48705519) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 12:50 PM Author: sealclubber (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48707633) |
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Date: March 1st, 2025 2:21 PM Author: DewarsDude i'm not seeing this at all despite growing up in a lib state and attending lib institutions. maybe they all unfriended me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48705851) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 10:28 AM Author: Trust If Aryan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48707240) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 12:08 PM Author: MASE TDNW’s 180 on the Ukraine makes my head spin, but it is fucking hilarious and 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48707518) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 12:13 PM Author: DrakeMallardxo (🦆) Is that TDNW that is YSSMFFing above? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48707543) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 3:21 PM Author: MASE http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48705286 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5687528&forum_id=2#48708040) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2025 12:59 PM Author: Henry Wadsworth Longbutt Remember when libs were anti war
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