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Date: September 18th, 2025 2:35 PM Author: azure shrine Subject: Bad goys $900 fee, up from $700
Entertainment credit increases from $22 monthly to $25 monthly. Incudes YoutubeTV and Youtube Premium now.
$100 Resy restaurant credit every quarter
Fine hotels credit increases from $200 annually to $300 every 6 mos
$75 Lululemon credit every quarter
$120 Uber One credit in addition to same $15 monthly Uber credit
The most lulzy is a $200 Oura ring credit every year. I guess you can cop one and sell on eBay?
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Date: September 18th, 2025 2:41 PM Author: dun titillating tanning salon the oura ring requires a monthly subscription to do any useful sleep / activity tracking. i had one for a bit, didn't want to pay a subscription, realized it was useless and have never touched it since.
it's really dumb for anyone who does lifting or pull ups or anything else because it gets scratched and messes with your grip while holding any bar.
it's also not very good at tracking compared to wrist-based devices like garmin or apple watches.
it's a pure celebrity and marketing-hype driven device |
Date: September 18th, 2025 2:37 PM Author: Pearly crotch Link? Does this apply to the delta platinum Amex as well or no? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281772) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 2:41 PM Author: dun titillating tanning salon no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281788) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 2:38 PM Author: supple heaven digit ratio All this stuff is GC flame. I haven’t been to a restaurant or taken an Uber in years.
I don’t want GC slop media or lulu clothes. |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 2:43 PM Author: azure shrine So you're a shut in then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281796) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 2:45 PM Author: dun titillating tanning salon no, but a card that encourages this level of slop-eating, slop-watching, and slop consuming is gross at a fundamental level (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281809) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:04 PM Author: Stirring snowy indian lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281865) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:16 PM Author: Razzle church giraffe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281898) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:18 PM Author: supple heaven digit ratio No, just Jewish in are country (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281905) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:30 PM Author: Razzle church giraffe "Are country" is what, an hour out of Miami? Do you never visit or get a weekend hotel room in town? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281946) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:03 PM Author: Razzle church giraffe "I haven’t been to a restaurant or taken an Uber in years."
For real? |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:17 PM Author: supple heaven digit ratio No kosher restaurants where we live
Why would an adult in are country need Uber? |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:21 PM Author: Razzle church giraffe You really do that bullshit? LMAO. What a life killer.
You drop your car off for service and will pick it up later that day. What is your next move? For us the au pair is a big driver of Uber usage too (we give her an Uber credit allowance). |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:29 PM Author: supple heaven digit ratio Restaurants are slop now. No loss
Parents live next door and are bored. They’ll give me a ride to the car shop |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:31 PM Author: Razzle church giraffe Yeah, you have a bizarre set up and that sounds like truly awful QOL. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281950) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:37 PM Author: supple heaven digit ratio Having parents next door is awful? Is it Opposite Day? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281967) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:44 PM Author: Razzle church giraffe My parents are a 4 hour drive away which is too close for me. I preferred it when it required an international flight. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281988) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 6:09 PM Author: supple heaven digit ratio If your parents are an international flight, you have to go back. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49282395) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 9:10 PM Author: Razzle church giraffe I was an international flight away in the motherland. They were back in the US. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49282862) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 9:12 PM Author: supple heaven digit ratio they have to go back (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49282866) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 9:14 PM Author: Razzle church giraffe Sure, but come on, you're Jewish. Americans would rather send you guys back than us. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49282870) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 9:42 PM Author: supple heaven digit ratio we're american. all of my grandparents were born in the US, and both grandfathers fought in WW2. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49282922) |
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Date: September 19th, 2025 12:18 PM Author: Razzle church giraffe Come on, let's be real here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49284043) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 2:47 PM Author: Metal gay wizard range The tradoff between mental bandwidth and the dollar value of the benefits you get from this craditcard fag shit just does not make sense unless you only make like $100k or something.
That said, if you actually enjoy it, go for it. |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 2:48 PM Author: dun titillating tanning salon yes
and the biggest perk offered to travelers which is centurion or skyclub access is often unavailable due to overcrowding |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 2:55 PM Author: azure shrine It's not that hard for the average person to break even on the card.
Everyone orders takeout from Uber at least 1 a month and subscribes to some streaming package. So that's $500 immediately off the bat for doing daily shit
Now if you travel & check bags then the $200 airline credit comes back quickly
So that last $200 is just the cost of lounge access. Or work to earn it back in Resy credit or Hotel credit, if you care do so |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:00 PM Author: swashbuckling transparent hall turdskin "Everyone orders takeout from Uber at least 1 a month and subscribes to some streaming package. "
I absolutely do neither. |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:21 PM Author: Razzle church giraffe Do you use alternative services or just never get delivery/takeout or ever use a taxi? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281918) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:26 PM Author: swashbuckling transparent hall turdskin I never get take out, I can cook something faster than it would come. I use uber sometimes when travelling but I don't travel every month. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281929) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:44 PM Author: Razzle church giraffe Yeah, I'm on the hook to travel at least once a month and cover it myself. When I didn't do this I didn't have the elite cards either. I had a few basic cards that had small fees that paid themselves in free stays or whatever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281987) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:30 PM Author: supple heaven digit ratio Same. Lol at goyim ITT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281947) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 4:06 PM Author: Hyperactive becky You said you had criterion channel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49282041) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:01 PM Author: Diverse naked mexican The benefit is that making it more expensive (hopefully) keeps out minorities (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281858) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 2:52 PM Author: iridescent effete milk it's amazing how many UMC morons who think of themselves as being intelligent fall for these obvious scams thinking they are receiving "benefits" when all they are doing is funneling cash to fraud GC companies who are basically getting guaranteed business while kicking a few shekels over to the cc company (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281828) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 2:58 PM Author: azure shrine (Cool guy who spends nothing on anything made by a corporation, ever) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281848) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:00 PM Author: opaque razzle-dazzle laser beams factory reset button The only benefit to these cards is centurion lounge which is a nightmare anyway 80% of the time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281854) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:08 PM Author: Razzle church giraffe Tcr. I have a Marriott Brilliant Amex for the Platinum status (I use 4pm late checkout often) which gives me Priority Pass, I have a United Club card which gives me United Lounge access (plus network partner lounge access), so I definitely don't need another premium CC for Centurion lounges. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281870) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:03 PM Author: bright pisswyrm deer antler i never in my life have paid for a CC annual fee, its the biggest goy scam BS shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281860) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:09 PM Author: Razzle church giraffe Sort of surprised given that you travel all the time. Then again, I could see you being very miserly as you travel so sitting crammed into a budget airline waiting area is probably normal for you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281874) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:14 PM Author: Metal gay wizard range The height of retardom is people who will skip over cheaper more convenient flighst so they can fly an inconvenient ass flight on an airline where they have status becuase of their credit card. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281887) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:18 PM Author: Razzle church giraffe I'd rather fly a less convenient route 1st class than something more convenient but economy. I've had great luck with consistency of reasonably priced 1st class tickets on United. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281906) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:21 PM Author: Metal gay wizard range It's a matter of degree.
Taking a flight that's 30 minutes later than your optimal departure time so you can do first class makes sense.
Taking a flight that's 90 minutes later than your optimal departure time so you can do first class is completely retarded unless you're Disco Fries.
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:24 PM Author: Razzle church giraffe I'm not Disco Fries but I find that if I fly economy I'm really tired and annoyed when I arrive and when I fly first class I'm fine. So I just refuse to take economy unless I have absolutely no other options. I have to travel at least monthly and travel has annoyances even in the best of cases, so I make it as nice as possible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281925) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:28 PM Author: Metal gay wizard range For neuroticmos / the mentall weak, the math does work out different.
I'm emotionally stable and resiliant. I will find an experience completely chill that a neuroticmo will find torturous. The difference between first class and economy are negligible for me. Either way, i'm perfectly happy going into it, during it, and after it. |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:34 PM Author: Razzle church giraffe Yeah, I think I'm unusually intolerant of travel discomfort (it probably is a form of neuroticism) and rather than brush it off it irrationally enrages me and a dark cloud hangs over me for the next day. Little things like the plane sitting for an hour or two waiting to take off amplifies that, and this has happened to me several times over the last 6 months. For me it is a no-brainer.
Also, the financial difference is nothing for me, so not sure why I would penny pinch on this? |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:35 PM Author: Metal gay wizard range 1000% on board with you adding a layover or taking a later flight to fly first class.
Our hypo above started out both quite different and more generalized. |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:50 PM Author: Razzle church giraffe Yeah, but also the fact that we schedule our flights completely differently probably makes a very big difference. If you avoid evening flights and fly in the morning and don't really mind economy then that makes all the difference. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49282001) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:51 PM Author: Metal gay wizard range It's almost as if I shouldnt make broad generalizations that making certain specific choices is retarded overall. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49282004) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:16 PM Author: bright pisswyrm deer antler back in the day i wld sign up for CC's with annual fee that waived it first year, i wld take the bonus points then cancel it after a year, usually they downgrade and give u a new card that doesnt give as much shit but has no annual fee
i never gave a flying furk abt lounges, this is the most prowl shit ever and in asia the airports are nice usually i just find a uncrowded area, id rather be in that than a furking crowded lounge full of retards
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:20 PM Author: Metal gay wizard range I never understood airline lounges. Who just has a bunch of free time at the airport?
You go through security and go to the gate.
Do retards really get to the airport an extra hour early just so they can get some free GC poison slop? Waste an hour of their day for $5 worth of slop that just poisons them? Completely absurd. |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:23 PM Author: bright pisswyrm deer antler its stupid a shit, trip.com gives me free lounges so ive used the three times, first time was like in fiji and it was pack full of fat ugly birdshits and there were barely any seats, i left the lounge and found this quite laptop area that was empty
2nd time was smaller airport and bkk and it was actually good
3rd time in mauritius and only good cause free wine but the food was hideous and they had little kids yelling and screaming and shit
its furking goy stupid retarded shit |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:25 PM Author: Talking bateful double fault the lounges are very nice and allow me to happily show up early and book flights with layovers instead of tight connections. it takes all the stress out of it. also when you get a delay or cancellation it is fucking 180 to just kick it in the lounge. they say there's a 3 hour time limit but it's never enforced. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281927) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:30 PM Author: Metal gay wizard range This comes off like you have unlimited free time. Where does all this extra time come from? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281949) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:32 PM Author: Talking bateful double fault it's just a couple extra hours on the handful of days a year i fly. like instead of showing up 1 hour early i show up 2 and hang in the lounge. instead of booking a 30 minute connection and stressing about it i book a 2 hour one and chill. compared to rushing-to-gate-mos, that's time well spent if you ask me. also the amex lounges are pretty much yuppie urban restaurant quality, so you're getting a "free" meal and cocktails while you wait, which again is one less thing to stress about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281956) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:47 PM Author: Metal gay wizard range Non-stressmo here who generally has places to be and things to do immediately before and after flying, so I can't relate.
That said, I fully support your approach for you and my comments regarding retardedness, etc don't apply to you. |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 6:09 PM Author: Talking bateful double fault (guy who has places to be, things to do) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49282396) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 4:06 PM Author: Razzle church giraffe The problem is that if you fly from a large airport near a major city you have to build in some time because of all the potential issues (traffic, security lines that are longer than expected, etc.). You can't just leave assuming you'll arrive 30 minutes before boarding and nbd. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49282047) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:29 PM Author: Razzle church giraffe Lets say that you have a flight out of a NYC airport at 7:20pm, boarding starts at 7pm. Checkout from your hotel is 4pm but traffic can add any amount of time. So you shoot to get there at say, 5-5:30pm. If there is traffic then you get there 6 something and might spend 15-30 minutes in the lounge using a nicer bathroom, having some refreshments, sitting in a nicer seat. If you get there at 5pm because there is surprisingly little traffic you can sit in a work booth and pull out your work or personal laptop and do whatever you want to with that. If you want to go to a restaurant and then go to the lounge then you can do that too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281941) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:32 PM Author: Metal gay wizard range Now run this analysis with a 40-50x more common flight time like 720am. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281958) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:35 PM Author: Razzle church giraffe I pretty much never take morning flights. The only time I will ever take a morning flight is if my evening flight got cancelled and I had to take a flight first thing in the AM. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281962) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:37 PM Author: Metal gay wizard range Interesting. I take 90% morning flights (often 6am). Latest flight I will do is an occasional 1pm or 2pm flight.
I presume you also maintain an unnatural / unhealthy sleep schedule and don't religiously bed around 9pm and wake up at 5am.
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:49 PM Author: Razzle church giraffe Yeah, I see how if you take morning flights the analysis changes dramatically but that is part of why I never, ever do that. Evening flights are chill. I get to my destination, get my luxury rental car, go to a restaurant, get to my nice hotel, maybe visit the fitness center, do a last round of emails, go to sleep. If the flight is delayed maybe I'll compress that and get delivery or takeout or whatever. But nbd. Morning is always stressful. A delay could mean that you'll miss whatever meeting you're flying in for.
But yes, you're right on schedule. I'm never asleep before midnight and often go to sleep more like 1-2am. In fact, my dog usually gets a really nice long walk/run in the middle of the night which helps me wind down and help the sleeping pills kick in. |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:52 PM Author: Metal gay wizard range We basically live in different universes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49282009) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 4:17 PM Author: Razzle church giraffe Not only do we, but our universes rarely intersect even if we're in the same place. I'll be awake when you're asleep and vice versa. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49282067) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 7:28 PM Author: Metal gay wizard range I think the universe is telling us that we shuold meet up in a dark hotel room and engage in some hot straight as fuck man on man sex. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49282633) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 9:05 PM Author: exciting orchid plaza personal credit line it's nice to go to the lounge, pound 5 drinks in 15 min, and go to the gate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49282839) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:05 PM Author: Irradiated Business Firm Weed Whacker Chase Sapphire + Business Ink is good enough for me. I use points to book hotels or take vacations. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281867) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:22 PM Author: Talking bateful double fault only really worth it if you fly all the time in airports with an amex lounge, which are very nice if you can actually get in. 10x points on flights and hotels sounds cool but you have to buy through their ridiculously expensive portal which negates the value of the points unless you manage to find some insane bonus transfer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281920) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 3:43 PM Author: Soul-stirring anal trust fund Which amex lounges are "nice" nowadays (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49281984) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 4:06 PM Author: Talking bateful double fault couldn't tell you, i gave up my card a couple years ago. but philly had the best food and jfk had a sick cocktail bar. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49282040) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 4:06 PM Author: Pale Roast Beef (Shlomo Fink, AmEx Marketing Specialist II) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49282044) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 6:10 PM Author: supple heaven digit ratio (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49282398) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 4:14 PM Author: Milky concupiscible market useless brakes i get 36 lounge passes a year that i never use off various zero fee credit card and financial services i use.
get free uber one.
etc.
can't imagine paying $900 a year for this shit.
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Date: September 18th, 2025 6:14 PM Author: orange autistic spot cuckoldry Lounges are stupid you can take a xanax and sit at a restaurant/bar and have a better experience and get absolutely smashed on less than $50 in drinks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49282411) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 9:17 PM Author: spectacular water buffalo mental disorder These companies are definitely in the business of losing money, so you'll clearly come out top giving them $900 to get a bunch of coupons to spend on other stuff.
No way you'll just end up giving them $900, spending more money on their overpriced hotel site, spending $300 at fucking LuluLemon every quarter because you've got to use your credit, and adding a bunch of subscriptions you don't really need and will never forget to cancel. |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 9:45 PM Author: supple heaven digit ratio (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49282927) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 9:52 PM Author: Hyperactive becky I got a platinum card last year and I just have to fly 4 times a month and watch 10-12 shows on Peacock while eating Uber Eats a few times to break even on the thing. Everything after that is money in the bank. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49282950) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 9:55 PM Author: spectacular water buffalo mental disorder Just a chill 48 flights a year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49282965) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 10:10 PM Author: Milky concupiscible market useless brakes sorry hun, gotta get in my Peacock quota. can you order me another Big Mac? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49283007) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 9:47 PM Author: odious resort multi-billionaire You can buy an oura knockoff on Temu for $2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49282936) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 9:57 PM Author: Red nudist garrison Hard to tell the difference: https://www.temu.com/smart-ring-5atm-waterproof-activity--pressure-and-temperature-sensor-sleep--and-titanium-alloy-gender-neutral-sports-ring-for--men-and-women-are-compatible-with-ios--g-601102327612605.html?_oak_name_id=8758637594376948229&_oak_mp_inf=EL2J2NWw1ogBGiAzYzE5ZTg1ZmUwYmU0MTk3OTZmN2NlYTdkZDAzOTJjZiCk3MH9lTM%3D&top_gallery_url=https%3A%2F%2Fimg.kwcdn.com%2Fproduct%2Ffancy%2F2149a14c-f133-4987-9651-5082b8ba7388.jpg&spec_gallery_id=601102327612605&refer_page_sn=10009&refer_source=0&freesia_scene=2&_oak_freesia_scene=2&_oak_rec_ext_1=NDY3Nw&_oak_gallery_order=45402587%2C1852546379%2C1666588643%2C2062307094%2C1806115606&search_key=ring%20blood%20pressure&refer_page_el_sn=200049&refer_page_name=search_result&refer_page_id=10009_1758247010267_2uyb459lyl&_x_sessn_id=aeo39u4wnl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49282971) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 11:34 PM Author: erotic clear center aren't most people here poor? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49283180) |
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Date: September 18th, 2025 11:48 PM Author: Out-of-control field regret I cancelled. Won’t be traveling much in the next year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5777259&forum_id=2#49283190) |