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Opening Statements in Alec Baldwin involuntary manslaughter trial
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Date: July 10th, 2024 4:50 PM Author: Odious Arrogant Legal Warrant Internal Respiration https://x.com/reuters/status/1811139581598892431?s=46&t=jKXH7m3p0jeKr--GrDZGug
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/alec-baldwin-rust-jurors-hear-opening-statements-2024-07-10/ |
Date: July 10th, 2024 4:50 PM Author: disgusting onyx bbw great opening theme: someone played make-believe with a real gun and violated the cardinal rules of gun safety. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47828410) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 4:52 PM Author: Odious Arrogant Legal Warrant Internal Respiration I think a reasonable jury would agree with this:
Spiro said that even if Baldwin pulled the trigger, it was not a crime. He said it was the job of Gutierrez and Halls to safely allow an actor "to wave it, to point it, to pull the trigger, like actors do." "On a movie set you're allowed to pull the trigger, so even if he intentionally pulled the trigger, as prosecutors said, that doesn't mean he committed a homicide," said Spiro.
But since he’s a known lib and there are probably a few MAGAs on the jury he’ll probably get several votes to convict regardless. |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 5:04 PM Author: dashing yellow gunner I look forward to the 5 hour montage of actors clearly pulling the trigger of a gun on set and firing blanks at people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47828464) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 5:12 PM Author: razzmatazz demanding point volcanic crater (not Brandon Lee) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47828486) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 7:06 PM Author: Balding Indian Lodge Dragon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47832349) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 5:12 PM Author: Heady violent double fault bawdyhouse CR. Super-easy to check if your round is a blank or not, and shitloads of actors paid way less than baldwin manage to do it successfully without fail. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47828489) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 5:14 PM Author: dashing yellow gunner lolno, you think the doods in heat were running through the mags to check that all of the hundreds of blanks they were firing were not live? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47828493) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 8:38 PM Author: Heady violent double fault bawdyhouse Link to tom sizemore shooting michael mann's cinematographer in the chest with a live 5.56? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829268) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 10:10 PM Author: dashing yellow gunner you seem to be missing the point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829441) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 11:03 PM Author: Laughsome impertinent depressive *12-gauge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829623) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 5:01 PM Author: Rose piazza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47831920) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 8:33 AM Author: Histrionic startled public bath wagecucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47830341) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 5:14 PM Author: Mint University (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47831971) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 7:55 PM Author: Brindle free-loading location queen of the night His previous defense in the prime time interview (in which he admitted knowing about prior accidental discharges on set) was that he did not pull the trigger. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829116) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 10:25 PM Author: Bonkers area So he lied about a detail that still doesn’t show a crime? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829474) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 10:42 PM Author: Brindle free-loading location queen of the night The statements of defense counsel notwithstanding, it is an essential element of the indictment, and the Court denied Baldwin's motion to dismiss on this point. Not to mention the consciousness of guilt factor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829518) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 8:27 AM Author: Bonkers area Without being familiar with the docket, I’m guessing the court ruled that lying about the trigger point can be one factor. But even that seems stupid- the case is really about whether he knew he hired such retards to be in charge of dangerous weapons that he should have been aware that there was a material chance they’d fuck it up. Seems like Baldwin will have a decent chance on appeal because whether he pulled the trigger doesn’t seem relevant. Of course he’s going to pull the trigger at some point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47830329) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 12:24 AM Author: electric theatre faggot firefighter It was a revolver. he claims to have pulled the hammer back & let it go, which apparently was enough force to set off the primer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47836228) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 12:22 AM Author: electric theatre faggot firefighter >"On a movie set you're allowed to pull the trigger, so even if he intentionally pulled the trigger, as prosecutors said, that doesn't mean he committed a homicide," said Spiro.
Only in California could a lawyer possibly think a jury would lean into the "people don't kill people, guns do" narrative. |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 4:54 PM Author: Odious Arrogant Legal Warrant Internal Respiration I still don’t understand why they had live rounds on a movie set or why anyone would expect to know or suspect there were live rounds there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47828425) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 4:56 PM Author: overrated magenta roast beef turdskin because every time you pick up a firearm you assume it has live rounds in the chamber/cylinder/magazine. every time. its the first rule you teach a 5 year old. its the first rule you mention to anyone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47828429) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 5:00 PM Author: dashing yellow gunner and you hire trained professionals to do that before they give you the prop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47828442) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 7:08 PM Author: Painfully Honest Bull Headed Station or maybe you don't rely on them and u still check. the standard of care is up for debate. we need MFEs on the standard of care. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47828910) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 7:19 PM Author: silver pisswyrm Not an armorer in Hollywood, I highly doubt that when an actor is handed a Glock with sixteen blanks in the magazine, they first eject them to confirm they're blanks, then reload the mag
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Date: July 12th, 2024 11:11 PM Author: Racy Orange Church Building After all this time I can’t believe how biased and retarded you people are. No hollywood actor has ever checked every single round. Unless it’s a DA revolver, you’d have to eject every single round ffs. Baldwin and every other actor never checked the chamber. Name an actor you like who’s used guns in a Film. HE never checked the rounds. The armorer 100% owns that shit. Libs know nothing about him safety. This is like expecting a tandem skydiver noob to check the harness and parachute. They have no idea what they’re doing and they rely on the experts. All of them. Including the ones you aren’t biased against. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47836126) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 10:46 PM Author: Hyperventilating dilemma dog poop but you still shouldn’t point it at anyone ever, especially during a rehearsal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829533) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 7:07 PM Author: Balding Indian Lodge Dragon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47832357) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 7:20 PM Author: silver pisswyrm Have you seen movies? In movies that have gun scenes, they get pointed at people in a single shot at least 50% of the time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47832421) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 11:49 PM Author: Hyperventilating dilemma dog poop they use camera tricks, idiot. the angle is slightly off to prevent a Baldwin from happening
in any case you should never point it at some random crew member and pull the trigger, unless you plan to destroy what you’re pointing at |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 11:16 PM Author: Racy Orange Church Building Being at an offset angle puts random crew members in the crossfire.you’re the idiot and you know nothing of Film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47836130) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 12:44 AM Author: Hyperventilating dilemma dog poop hint: the angle doesn’t point at anyone
jfc this isn’t hard |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 12:47 AM Author: Racy Orange Church Building You’re too stupid to post here imo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47836264) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 1:29 AM Author: Hyperventilating dilemma dog poop (guy who thinks the armorer is more responsible than the trigger puller) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47836330) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 5:04 PM Author: disgusting onyx bbw all guns, like all diapers, are always loaded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47828462) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 5:12 PM Author: Odious Arrogant Legal Warrant Internal Respiration I understand that but that still doesn’t explain why there were live rounds on the set or why one was loaded into the gun
Also for scenes where you actually have to fire in the direction of another actor or towards the camera you should be able to rely on the armorer that they did their job |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 5:15 PM Author: dashing yellow gunner *throws on John Wick scene* "You can see how the actor checks the safety of the next round before pretending to pull the trigger your honor" |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 5:15 PM Author: Violet state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47828500) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 10:55 PM Author: Ultramarine Angry Faggotry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829564) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 7:08 PM Author: Balding Indian Lodge Dragon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47832359) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 5:25 PM Author: cracking chartreuse stag film baldwin, as a producer, also bears responsibility for hiring a comically and self-admittedly unqualified on-set firearms expert. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47828545) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 5:26 PM Author: dashing yellow gunner that's clearly a civil matter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47828550) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 7:59 PM Author: Brindle free-loading location queen of the night Could not the jury determine Baldwin was grossly negligent in continuing to rely on a plainly deficient armorer, where Baldwin knew of previous "accidental" discharges on set? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829134) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 8:06 PM Author: Painfully Honest Bull Headed Station is that a theory the judge is allowing the prosecutor to even argue? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829149) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 10:44 PM Author: Brindle free-loading location queen of the night Edit: The prosecutrix hit this theory in opening. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829525) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 10:44 PM Author: Frozen Rusted Chad Azn no LMOA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829527) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 7:08 PM Author: Painfully Honest Bull Headed Station for 2 yrs nobody has explained this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47828911) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 1:16 AM Author: swashbuckling aquamarine coffee pot field because it's new mexico and it's fun to shoot shit off in the desert. the "armorer" only had her job due to nepotism and they were probably tooling around with the guns on the set the whole time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829955) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 12:46 AM Author: electric theatre faggot firefighter 100% (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47836263) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 6:05 PM Author: Cerebral sanctuary You also don't point them at people or pull the trigger unless you're intending to destroy something.
But this is a movie set. |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 7:06 PM Author: splenetic locale why were real guns on a movie set? We the Public thought all weapons and things that can kill you were made of plastic, wood, and spray paint. We the Public were okay with that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47828904) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 7:10 PM Author: dashing yellow gunner how do you think they fire blanks? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47828923) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 1:09 PM Author: Odious Arrogant Legal Warrant Internal Respiration I always thought there were special Hollywood guns that look exactly like the real thing. Seems like there’d be a huge market for this or that it would be mandated by law in California (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47831029) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 7:08 PM Author: Balding Indian Lodge Dragon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47832364) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 10:56 PM Author: glittery hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829572) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 8:40 AM Author: Histrionic startled public bath wagecucks I'm not a lawyer, but what's the standard for how much responsibility he reasonably has here? Is every actor expected to check every round in every magazine before they fire it? Or load it themselves? Is Keanu Reeves supposed to shuck every 9mm blank and reload it before he shoots 1,200 rounds over the course of "John Wick 7: Another One"? If so, is that standard practice? If not, why not? Wouldn't that alleviate responsibility? Who has the technical expertise to set standard firearm safety practices on set? Were those practices followed?
Do actors have the technical expertise and familiarity with firearms to know they should clear it in the first place? Do they all know how to properly do that? If not in either case, whose responsibility is it to inform them?
I have no love for some shitlib fagtor but the links here seem fairly tenuous. |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 9:29 AM Author: beady-eyed kink-friendly crackhouse Ok, let's say young Hegemon is hanging out at his friend's house. Your friend hands you a revolver and says, "check this out. It's not loaded." You then point the gun at your friend's little brother and pull the trigger. BANG! the gun goes off and your friend's little brother is now dead due to a bullet to the brain. How much trouble would little Hegemon be in? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47830424) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 9:40 AM Author: razzle-dazzle goal in life property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47830454) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 11:51 AM Author: Histrionic startled public bath wagecucks A remarkably different scenario, as anyone with an IQ > 85 can immediately understand.
The answer to your hypo, though, would depend on my age, the age of my friend, how he got the gun, etc. -- all of which are used to answer the same general question at which my more specific questions are aimed: how obvious is it that Baldwin should have known better?
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Date: July 11th, 2024 7:36 PM Author: pearl trust fund partner for a guy who loves carl schmitt, you don't seem to be applying the friend-enemy distinction here very well
why not just say baldwin is a huge faggot shitlib, he did everything he could and then some to get orange retard out of office for four years, so fuck him and let him fry regardless of the merits of the case? |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 10:56 PM Author: Histrionic startled public bath wagecucks I literally don't care at all whether or not he's executed for this, he should die anyway.
That's entirely separate from the more interesting academic question of, "how much responsibility does he practically hold here?"
I'm sure there's a lawyer here who does torts for a living; I'm curious whether there are any real codified standards by which to evaluate fault here, or whether it's just a matter of selling a jury on whatever your case theory is. |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 11:21 PM Author: Racy Orange Church Building Hegemon is the only one making any sense itt. We aren’t the jury. I mean if we’re on the jury I’d probably YOO and viote guilty. But this is a liberal arts discussion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47836141) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 7:07 PM Author: Balding Indian Lodge Dragon cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47832355) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 8:34 AM Author: Histrionic startled public bath wagecucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47830342) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 12:26 AM Author: electric theatre faggot firefighter it's because the armorer was LARPing thanks to her actually well-qualified father's work. On movie sets in the middle of the desert, of course you're firing live rounds for fun. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47836235) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 5:04 PM Author: Violet state *shitlaw prosecutor pointing finger gun at jury and firing* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47828461) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 5:06 PM Author: disgusting onyx bbw "ka-pow! money shot!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47828466) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 5:37 PM Author: Useless puppy I read this in Saul Goodman’s voice (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47828597) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 6:14 PM Author: Rose piazza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47828740) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 1:25 PM Author: Umber cuckold (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47831067) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 6:59 PM Author: Odious Arrogant Legal Warrant Internal Respiration Pics of the armorer
Also, from the wiki page of the incident:
Rust was Gutierrez-Reed's second film serving as lead armorer. On her first film, The Old Way , several crew members complained about her handling of firearms, including an incident in which she discharged a weapon without warning and caused lead actor Nicholas Cage to walk off set.
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Date: July 10th, 2024 7:31 PM Author: Rose piazza Is she a nepo baby or something? How do these idiots get these jobs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829007) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 8:38 PM Author: Heady violent double fault bawdyhouse She is quite literally a nepo baby, yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829269) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 10:47 PM Author: Hyperventilating dilemma dog poop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829535) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 12:26 AM Author: Useless puppy "Sharpshooter and movie consultant Thell Reed said he's not concerned about the possibility that his 24-year-old daughter, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, could go to jail."
"Hannah Gutierrez Reed, the armorer of the film 'Rust' who was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter last month for the 2021 on-set fatal shooting of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, was sentenced by a New Mexico judge to 18 months in prison Monday, the maximum possible punishment."
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/15/entertainment/rust-film-shooting-armorer-sentencing/index.html |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 7:38 AM Author: Rose piazza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47830284) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 11:12 AM Author: Odious Arrogant Legal Warrant Internal Respiration When a woman is sentenced to prison for something like this it’s nbd. They’re like “well, I guess I’ll just chill and be a lesbian for the next 18 months.” 🤷♀️ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47830642) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 7:09 PM Author: Balding Indian Lodge Dragon Imagine the smells from inside that cell. . . (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47832372) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 10:03 PM Author: lascivious cheese-eating plaza police squad wow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829421) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 10:13 PM Author: Black misanthropic parlor what is this neologism? armorer? kyiv? ISIL? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829447) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 8:07 AM Author: exciting toilet seat therapy a true professional (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47836784) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 8:11 AM Author: Insanely creepy base gen-z armorer in a mini! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47836786) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 7:35 PM Author: Mint University In what world could the blank-fire and live-fire photography not be separated? I don't think I've ever seen a scene in a film where both an actor and a live-fire gun/fired projectile are in the same frame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829015) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 8:07 PM Author: dashing yellow gunner dood, John Wick has literally thousands of instances of this, and they are absolutely using real guns (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829152) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 9:21 PM Author: Mint University is keanu reeves getting paid only $1M to have bullets whizzing by him? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829354) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 10:09 PM Author: dashing yellow gunner jfc, the point is he is firing a shit ton of blanks and pulling the trigger while relying on the crew to give him safe guns, he has fucking sick ass real guns on screen and fires them at people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829436) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 11:30 PM Author: Heady violent double fault bawdyhouse Oh wow, turns out you're just completely fucking wrong:
"[D]irector and stunt expert Chad Stahelski doesn't use the same type of blanks that can result in real-life deaths like the tragedies on the sets of 'Rust' and 'The Crow.' According to Stahelski, filmmakers don't have to risk the deadly capabilities of blanks, either, since there exists technology that allows for much safer firearms practices during shoots.... Filmmakers like Stahelski, however, argue that a mix of electronic plug guns and CG effects have been able to replace the use of blanks on film sets and 'that there's no reason to have a live firearm on set.'" |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 1:16 AM Author: Laughsome impertinent depressive The reason to have a real firearm is because the modified guns they used in John Wick that eject actual shell casings are significantly more expensive than OEM guns, plus the cost of adding cgi and sound fx in post.
lol at them using those in some sps movie like Rust. They couldn't even film John Wick 20 years ago without massive liability issues. |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 1:58 PM Author: Heady violent double fault bawdyhouse Shitlib Baldwin Apologists: "Do these prosecutors not realize that, under state-of-the-art, industry-standard protocols for firearm safety on set, it is perfectly reasonable for an actor to fire a live firearm into the chest of another human while just presuming that the gun was properly loaded with blanks?! While, yes, there is little gained from dispensing with this incredibly easy and universal-everywhere-else-on-Earth safety precaution (I guess a couple seconds' time), the safety protocols and firearm-safety personnel making these assurances are so STATE OF THE ART that redundant safety precautions would be mere surplusage."
John Wick Director: "Actually state of the art is to use fake guns augmented by CGI; it's pricey, but you also save on armorers, etc."
Shitlib Baldwin Apologists: "Well people have the right to rely on Shit Pure Shit non-industry-standard protocols as well! I mean jesus christ: do YOU not find it to be a pain in the ass to check your ammo EVERY TIME you want to point your firearm into another person's chest and pull the trigger?! For fuck's sake!" |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 3:00 PM Author: Laughsome impertinent depressive Why would you interpret my post as Baldwin apologist?
I hope Baldwin gets the chair simply for propagating the stupid ass myth that a gun can fire without pulling the trigger |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 8:00 AM Author: Rose piazza John Wick is a big budget production. Look at CG muzzle flashes in lower budget stuff, it looks like absolute shit and not believable at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47830306) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 2:04 PM Author: Heady violent double fault bawdyhouse Yeah, and as a result, when I go out to nevada and play the role of an evil banker in a Neil Breen picture, I either tolerate that my scene will look like clickart shit or, if Breen's really trying to up his special-effects game by using blanks, make damn sure to *personally* check that the loaded handgun that crazy fucker hands me doesn't have live rounds in it before I point it at the head of some poor 22-y/o waitress cast as Breen's love interest and pull the trigger. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47831225) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 7:11 PM Author: Balding Indian Lodge Dragon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47832385) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 8:08 AM Author: exciting toilet seat therapy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47836785) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 11:06 PM Author: Laughsome impertinent depressive Which films used live ammo in your mind? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829642) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 11:44 PM Author: Cobalt nursing home alpha The Crow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829777) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 12:58 AM Author: Laughsome impertinent depressive Correct but she seems to think they're firing live rounds in John Wick and Saving Private Ryan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829944) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 5:10 PM Author: Mint University Reading comp? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47831958) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 12:12 AM Author: Laughsome impertinent depressive Shut the fuck up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47833529) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 10:12 PM Author: Black misanthropic parlor "I now identify as a gay man. I rest." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829444) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 10:43 PM Author: Frozen Rusted Chad Azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829523) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 10:14 PM Author: Slate school cafeteria why is alec baldwin dressed up like carried donovan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829449) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 12:38 AM Author: Irradiated ladyboy rigpig If gunnerattt didn't out me, I could have given some good inside info on this case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829914) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 4:31 PM Author: Odious Arrogant Legal Warrant Internal Respiration Give it anyway (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47831812) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 1:08 AM Author: sadistic soul-stirring business firm jap Baldloser should receive (possible) death penalty of Russian roulette with one live round. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829947) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 1:10 AM Author: bat-shit-crazy library party of the first part I dont get it, weren't they filming or rehearsing? He shouldn't be on trial for this. He was supposed to shoot it and it was someone else's job to make sure it didn't *literally* have a bullet in it given this is a make believe fantasy movie where actors are going to shoot guns.
This is not reckless behavior for an actor who is supposed to be shooting a gun at someone in the scene.
Don't like the guy but this is an easy acquit. There is no mens rea. |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 1:18 AM Author: Laughsome impertinent depressive He actually wasn't supposed to shoot at that moment, and he's claiming that he didn't pull the trigger. That's the weird twist in this whole thing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829956) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 9:32 AM Author: beady-eyed kink-friendly crackhouse he 100% pulled the trigger. Despite what shitlibs think, guns don't magically go off by themselves. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47830430) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 11:15 AM Author: Odious Arrogant Legal Warrant Internal Respiration When you have the hammer pulled back a slight touch can make it fire and it can feel like it went off by itself (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47830659) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 12:11 AM Author: Laughsome impertinent depressive Not if your finger isn't on the trigger (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47833528) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 1:30 AM Author: Painfully Honest Bull Headed Station invol man doesnt require mens rea, dumb fuck. do u even law? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47829964) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 1:43 AM Author: bat-shit-crazy library party of the first part You know what I mean, stupid faggot.
An involuntary manslaughter jury instruction is proper only when the evidence presented at trial permits the jury to find the defendant had a mental state of criminal negligence when engaging in the act causing the victim's death. State v. Henley, 2010-NMSC-039, 148 N.M. 359, 237 P.3d 103.
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Date: July 11th, 2024 1:51 AM Author: Painfully Honest Bull Headed Station no i dont know what u mean
youre also retarded re "He was supposed to shoot it and it was someone else's job to make sure..."
no, not necessarily. that's for a jury to decide. jurors could easily think it's his job to double check |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 1:56 AM Author: bat-shit-crazy library party of the first part you got blown out pumo.
"this doesn't involve mens rea!"
New Mexico Supreme Court: "the mens rea required for invol mans is criminal negligence"
and no shit thats for the jury to decide you dumb shit. and its an easy decision.
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Date: July 11th, 2024 9:33 AM Author: beady-eyed kink-friendly crackhouse that's DBG (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47830432) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 3:08 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy library party of the first part Makes sense now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47831514) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 11:53 AM Author: Heady violent double fault bawdyhouse Nah, bro, here we make up a standard of care out of thin air -- "in the Hallowed Halls of THE THEATRE, it is HERETOFORE AND EVERMORE DECLARED that it is NOT the responsibility of the THESBIAN to perform a basic ammunition check, that little children know how to do, before pointing the muzzle of your firearm directly at the center mass of another person (and not slightly off, as is done 99% of the time because the camera can't tell anyway) and pulling the trigger, and if that means some cinematographer SLUTS have to die (they call them "DPs" for a reason, amirite!?), then that is merely the price we must pay for ART" -- and then dutifully apply that SACROSANCT STANDANRD, without sympathy or prejudice, to the facts.
Why, how would we ever have such films as John Wick if not for this Holy Rule of "you're not responsible for the ppl you point a working firearm at and pull the trigger on"?!?!? Have I mentioned JOHN WICK?! What about John Wick! Why, it would be completely impractical to bring John Wick to the masses working under the Oppressive Regime of "you are responsible for the ppl you point a loaded gun at and fire upon, so you had better personally check the chamber/magazine"! HAHA, I got you there! These Fascist art-Haters are basically advocating for a world without John Wick!
(**sees article where the director of John Wick is like "omg given all the unavoidable close-range shooting our film has, I'd never allow live firearms with blanks on our set; it's unconscionable and you've got to just put in the big money to add non-shitty CG effects and use expensive fake guns where the slide kicks back and ejects shell casings, etc. -- otherwise you risk having a homicide on your set, like that movie, Rust, where there has literally already been a criminal conviction for homicide"**)
"Well my point stands!" |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 1:21 PM Author: Painfully Honest Bull Headed Station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47831059) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 1:41 PM Author: Brindle free-loading location queen of the night (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47831118) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 10:58 PM Author: Histrionic startled public bath wagecucks lol 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47833398) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 12:41 AM Author: electric theatre faggot firefighter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47836250) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 8:41 AM Author: Insanely creepy base 'I thought I was in a video game...' (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47830350) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 8:41 AM Author: Histrionic startled public bath wagecucks the first rule of gun safety is to have fun
free my nigga alec |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 2:10 PM Author: Heady violent double fault bawdyhouse (bullet point I of defense's sufficiency-of-the-evidence-based appellate brief-in-chief) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47831248) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 3:26 PM Author: Histrionic startled public bath wagecucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47831589) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 7:12 PM Author: Balding Indian Lodge Dragon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47832390) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 9:34 AM Author: beady-eyed kink-friendly crackhouse the absurdity of this whole thing is Baldwin's defense is "I didn't pull the trigger!"
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Date: July 11th, 2024 2:16 PM Author: Slate school cafeteria which hollywood jew's dick did baldwin refuse to suck for this to go to trial? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47831282) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 3:41 PM Author: Histrionic startled public bath wagecucks Still have no idea why the fuck there was live ammo on a movie set
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Date: July 11th, 2024 4:25 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy library party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47831801) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 4:21 PM Author: passionate circlehead corner Cannot believe there are people dumb enough to say complete idiocy about gun rules.
It's a.movie. JFC
You're not supposed to have an atom bomb either but you wouldn't charge Cillian Murphy ifmthe Oppenheimer prop guy was dumb enough to make one.
There was a person on set, per standard protocol, to manage the firearms- that professional is responsible- not the actor who the week before was the voice of Thomas the train |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 4:29 PM Author: Odious Arrogant Legal Warrant Internal Respiration (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47831806) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 4:33 PM Author: Laughsome impertinent depressive Why do people keep posting this over and over again?
-Baldwin hired that person
-Baldwin failed to remove her after prior negligent conduct
-Baldwin was in charge of everyone on set (ie, signed their paychecks)
-Baldwin was not instructed by set director nor anyone else to shoot the gun when it fired (ie, was not "acting" at the time) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 4:47 PM Author: passionate circlehead corner because the argument people are making here is "because every time you pick up a firearm you assume it has live rounds in the chamber" which has nothing to do with negligent producing
If you want to make that case, then show that Baldwin hired her, was informed of her gross incompetence, and then did nothing. But no one itt is making that case.
There's probably 15 different producers on the movie and hes the only one charged despite having the least to do with the armorer
Its an asinine argument because the dead woman who was the second director was probably actually the one most in charge of her... |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 4:54 PM Author: Laughsome impertinent depressive I would assume it has live rounds like any reasonable person would after 5 minutes of pistol training.
I would especially assume that with a stock unmodified revolver after live rounds were already fired on a movie set that same week.
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Date: July 11th, 2024 4:57 PM Author: passionate circlehead corner Lol at your fucking dishonesty
"Its his liability as a producer!"
*immediately responds with equally idiotic points about Baldwin's role as an actor* |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 5:07 PM Author: Laughsome impertinent depressive Try re-reading
He is morally culpable as producer, but possibly (or likely) not criminally liable
He was not acting at the time he killed someone
*inb4 you regurgitate the same half-assed "DURRR it's just like Brandon Lee" non sequitur that was already posted multiple times before you* |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 4:59 PM Author: Rose piazza I agree with you. It’s evident that this argument against Baldwin is based on “grrr Hollyweird lib” and not much else. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47831914) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 5:10 PM Author: Laughsome impertinent depressive Great, hopefully you are never allowed to hold a real gun and point it at someone (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47831955) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 11:33 PM Author: Racy Orange Church Building Here here. Today, we are all Liberals. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47836151) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 11:02 PM Author: Medicated red locus nvm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47836112) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 4:59 PM Author: Umber cuckold Thought that theory of liability was rejected (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47831915) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 11:51 PM Author: Hyperventilating dilemma dog poop Baldwin pulled the trigger and violated two of the four most basic basic rules that any 85 IQ soldier grasps easily (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47833493) |
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Date: July 11th, 2024 7:29 PM Author: silver pisswyrm Any ideas for how the SLS diploma hanging behind me morphed into a Golden Gate U diploma by the time I finished reading this thread? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47832457) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 12:57 PM Author: Odious Arrogant Legal Warrant Internal Respiration Dershowitz says Alec will walk
https://x.com/alandersh/status/1811804090730418598?s=46&t=jKXH7m3p0jeKr--GrDZGug |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 6:22 PM Author: titillating people who are hurt Not guilty!!! The state dun goof'd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47835511) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 6:29 PM Author: silver pisswyrm "The theory was stupid to begin with for the reasons expressed in a lengthy thread on Autoadmit.com," the judge added. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47835527) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 6:36 PM Author: titillating people who are hurt Why did the gov have such a hard on about pursuing this case. I'm missing the surrounding social context (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47835549) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 6:45 PM Author: Slap-happy garnet old irish cottage reptile prosecutors hate alec (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47835565) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 11:30 PM Author: Heady violent double fault bawdyhouse Both the elected DA and the special prosecutor trying the case are ardent left-wing lesbians. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47836147) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 8:04 PM Author: Irradiated ladyboy rigpig Political lawfare (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47835727) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 8:32 PM Author: silver pisswyrm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47835788) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 8:33 PM Author: pearl trust fund partner Sad result
Charges may or may not should have been brought, I dunno, but Baldwin is a shitlib piece of filth and belonged in prison |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 11:05 PM Author: Coral scourge upon the earth brethren Don't worry he's going to be hanged by the neck until dead at gitmo like all the rest once Trump wins his 3rd term (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47836118) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 11:41 PM Author: Heady violent double fault bawdyhouse CR. To be clear lest my poasting ITT has been ambiguous on this point, if this were Clint Eastwood I’d be braying retardedly against the prosecution like hank_scorpio on steroids but 5 inches taller and with a full head of hair. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47836166) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 11:43 PM Author: pearl trust fund partner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47836168) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 12:12 AM Author: razzle-dazzle goal in life property So let me get this straight, some prop tech guy dropped off a bunch of bullets to the state during a separate but related trial. During that trial a witness testified that the bullets were not the same as the ones used on the set of Rust. The state never turned these over to Baldwin's lawyers during discovery and some shitlib wise Latina judge tossed the entire case against him? What in the absolute fuck? Is there any evidence that the bullets this guy brought had anything to do with the Baldwin case? The defense just said oh these random bullets could have been exculpatory, possibly and this judge was like fuck it this is state misconduct. This seems like complete bullshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47836212) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 12:19 AM Author: dashing yellow gunner "separate but related" is doing a lot of work for you there, there was only one shooting so if they related to it at all, they relate to it all (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47836221) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 12:25 AM Author: Heady violent double fault bawdyhouse No, from all appearances the withholding of evidence was pretty bad. It's complicated, but I'll give you an easy proxy to save you the time of familiarizing yourself with the merits: one of the two prosecutors (Erlinda Johnson, the cute GOP chick who gave the opening), when she found out the other (Kari Morrissey, the butch lesbian who "loves [Baldwin's] politics") had withheld the evidence, said the case should be immediately dismissed, and when Morrissey didn't agree, resigned mid-trial in protest.
Morrissey's basis for her view that the rounds were not material under Brady was predicated on Baldwin's stated defense of not pulling the trigger, which, as we all know, was not *really* going to be the defense because it's fucking stupid. (I mean, it's what retard shitlib alec baldwin believes, so they'd let him get up and claim it -- who knows, maybe the jury bites on it -- but defense counsel were clearly going to put on a real defense behind alec's dumb story.) But if you take it at face value, then claims about deliberate sabotage -- which, btw, is still what I think happened here -- do indeed become irrelevant lol.
EDIT: Lessons here:
* Cons are more ethical than libs, who believe the ends always justify the means * Ugly ppl are bad ppl * Prosecutors = shit * If you can afford it, it is well worth the money to pay millions of dollars to a defense team so that they can dump manhours upon manhours upon FTEs upon FTEs into replicating everything the prosecution has done (right down to Morrissey calling Baldwin a cocksucker), finding what evidence has been given to them and what became of it, etc. |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 12:29 AM Author: razzle-dazzle goal in life property Not a great explanation and I wish you had just given it to me straight rather than mix metaphors but you are a historically significant lawmo and I know you know what you're doing. I'm never going to look into this crap but I reserve the right to still think it's all stupid. Wish someone would proffer a cogent explanation because it's obviously esoteric. I think the merits matter here don't care which dyke resigned over what.
Edit: so in laymans terms Baldwin is guilty af and his extremely expensive attorneys swamped the state with busywork so much so they lost track of all the evidence from a related trial. But you saying, yes or no, gun to the head (pun intended), the prosecutors deliberately withheld this evidence with malice to try and fuck him? Can I get a clear fucking answer without all the word salad? |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 12:56 AM Author: electric theatre faggot firefighter giglio violations are more serious than brady violations, but both are bad. it's just that giglio violations don't require any intent because it's the information that's important here, not the prosecutor's intent; the prosecutor's obligation is to disclose that kind of evidence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47836270) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 1:28 AM Author: razzle-dazzle goal in life property But what is the fucking relevance of the evidence to the case? Wasn't it determined in New Mexico vs Gutierrez that they weren't the ones used on set? Describe the relevance of the evidence here. Walt jr basically said defense forestalled the whole thing by swamping the state with paperwork. Couldn't it be they just thought this shit isn't relevant and forgot about it? I have absolutely no law background and have zero clue what you're saying. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47836325) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 8:43 AM Author: electric theatre faggot firefighter I thought they were originally charged as codefendants, which could explain the state mistakenly believing discovery made it to both attorneys after the cases were severed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47836814) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 1:37 AM Author: Heady violent double fault bawdyhouse I had a long af explanation but then I accidentally closed the tab, and now don't have the energy to replicate. Suffice to say that it's a little complicated, because the theory of the rounds' relevance is attenuated and their provenance can be very credibly questioned. The proxy I was referring to assumed that you agreed that it's not normal for a prosecutor to resign mid-trial in protest over a decision s/he views as unethical.
There's a sabotage theory out there that someone brought rounds onto the set deliberately in order to cause chaos (this is what I think happened; it's like people who throw bricks off interstate overpasses) or to make some quasi-political point (there were all kinds of labor disputes on this set; this theory seems lame to me, but who knows, maybe it exasperated some weirdo's preexisting grievances). The armorer's attorney made this point and was roundly mocked for having "no evidence" to support it, which to me seems to ignore the res ipsa loquitur aspect of this. (What I mean by that is: look at all the ppl ITT saying that it was totally reasonable for baldwin to point a gun at someone and shoot it b/c this is a movie set. What they're really saying is "the protocols in place to prevent an accident have been so refined and are so reliable that the normal rule-#1 safety requirements attendant to firearms need not apply; they have been replaced here with clean-room-type safety procedures administered by dedicated safety professionals." It's a fair question at what point a movie becomes shitty enough to where it's no longer reasonable for an actor (or a producer-actor (!), which to me is relevant, but the judge disagreed with me) to dispense with certain of the normal "don't shoot ppl" gun-safety rules (e.g., SAG guidelines prohibit what baldwin did, and it would also not be seen on a true high-budget film, but there's some evidence that it's standard practice for B-movies that aren't so bad they just paint on CG muzzle flashes). But regardless, one of the major premises of their argument is: it's nigh impossible for live rounds to end up in an actor's gun given the protocols in place. To me, the flipside of that premise, assuming it's true, is that when an on-set shooting happens, sabotage has to be kept in consideration until it's excluded, which normally only happens at the point at which the actual cause is uncovered -- which never happened here.)
Anyway, in this case, the armorer's father (also an armorer, but a real one, not a DEI nepo hire like his daughter) has been using his connections to poke around on set and with the various firearm/prop vendors that sold to the set and try to gin up somewhat-questionable evidence of sabotage and/or negligence not attributable to his daughter, in the hopes of undermining the case against her. I will broadly characterize these efforts as unconvincing at the specific level, but *definitely* the type of thing that a defense attorney would want to know about and be able to work off of, as the theory remains very strong (I still think more-likely-than-not) at the general level. I will note that I doubt there's any evidence out there that's going to fully exculpate the armorer -- her job, after all, literally involves directly monitoring the last steps of the process, not just administering the earlier-stage protocols that keep live rounds off the set altogether -- but (a) it might exculpate baldwin, who has an easier row to hoe here; and (b) the varying cases against baldwin and Gutierrez notwithstanding, baldwin just gets to relitigate shit that was decided in Gutierrez's case if he wants to (and he does want to, as he has better lawyers than she did and much more ability to pay the shit out of them).
Morrissey said that she reviewed photos of the rounds and they didn't resemble the live rounds found on set. I have no idea what means, given that my understanding is that the 6 rounds found around the set varied in caliber, headstamp, age, etc. (they were also found everywhere: mixed in with blanks, one was on another actor's bandolier, the one baldwin used to murder that girl, etc.) But apparently at least some of the distinguishing characteristics relied upon did not actually exist when the actual rounds were produced in court. (This is a point where I fully admit we need more information. Saying "those rounds don't resemble these rounds" without specifying, say, I dunno, caliber (?), is pretty classic NYT soyboy-level understanding of guns.)
Anyway, the prosecutor deemed these rounds to not be "material to the defense" based on the defense being that baldwin didn't pull the trigger, which is so wrong it just has to be viewed as bad faith -- and by that I mean a deliberately snarky/flippant expression of a decision that (hopefully) was not actually based on that analysis. |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 1:43 AM Author: Histrionic startled public bath wagecucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47836340) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 11:01 AM Author: razzle-dazzle goal in life property I put this in a new thread because I don't want to continue in a subthread. I will respond here:
http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554596&mc=1&forum_id=2 |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 5:10 PM Author: beady-eyed kink-friendly crackhouse I don’t understand how these bullets were at all relevant to the case, let alone evidence of anything. Why should they have been included in the case file? They seem just to be random bullets that some random person insisted on handing in to the police for some unknown reason. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47837828) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 5:33 PM Author: razzle-dazzle goal in life property This is absolutely correct. The bullets had 0 to do with the case whatsoever. They were just some random bullets that her father, Thell Reed, got his buddy to deliver to the court saying these were similar to the ones on set. They were previously deemed to NOT be relevant to the case.
Retard prosecutor resigned over the non-inclusion and the judge dismissed the ENTIRE CASE over prosecutorial misconduct. People really jeeped up about the minutiae of discovery law are having an absolute field day about this. But we all know what happened the pros and the judge in blue state didn't want to be tied to this and found a way to get out. |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 5:25 PM Author: Brindle free-loading location queen of the night (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47837844) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 1:46 AM Author: Histrionic startled public bath wagecucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47836344) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 8:14 AM Author: exciting toilet seat therapy wait wtf a prosecutor literally resigned *mid trial*
completely insane. that fact alone makes me think NG was correct |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 12:26 AM Author: Thriller pit Some sixth year Jewish rat faced fuck really earned his paycheck this month (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47836234) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 12:46 AM Author: Hyperventilating dilemma dog poop if the “bullets” are entering into the conversation then the shitlibs have already won
the 4 safety rules are all that’s relevant and they weren’t followed |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 12:57 AM Author: electric theatre faggot firefighter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47836271) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 12:56 AM Author: wine 180 gaming laptop best not to think too deeply on this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47836269) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 1:33 AM Author: razzle-dazzle goal in life property He got off on a technicality and no one ITT can concretely explain why other than prosecutors bad. Really sad how inarticulate you all are. I hate being talked down to someone explain it simply and clearly what happened. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47836335) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 11:47 AM Author: Odious Arrogant Legal Warrant Internal Respiration Good the case never should have been brought in the first place (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47837136) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 3:36 PM Author: passionate circlehead corner What are you struggling to understand?
The prosecutors (who are obviously biased against Baldwin for even bringing these juvenile charges) deliberately violated their obligations to.disclose evidence to the defendant.
Judge saw.this and said prosecutor acted in such bad faith the entire case is dismissed. Honestly should happen more often and prosecutor s should be jailed when they behave like this. It seems to happen in like 50% or high profile cases (Trayvon, making a murderer, etc) so seems like prosecutors just do this routinely to normal people and dont get.caught |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 4:21 PM Author: razzle-dazzle goal in life property what evidence did they not disclose? Some pennies found on the sidewalk? There was nothing that wasn't disclosed that had any relevance to the case. The defense argued that the prosecution suppressed evidence from a fringe theory moonshot that had nothing to do with the case, and was even ruled irrelevant in a related trial. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47837760) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 5:27 PM Author: Brindle free-loading location queen of the night In the Duke lacrosse case, the prosecutor did get one day in jail. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5553292&forum_id=2...id#47837847) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 5:14 PM Author: beady-eyed kink-friendly crackhouse So, to recap — the case against Baldwin was booted because the prosecution was not given the opportunity to examine some blank ammunition that 1) was never on the set, 2) was never in the hands of anybody involved with the production, and 3) not even filed under the case number of all the other evidence that actually pertained to Baldwin?
Can some lawyer on here explain how any of that makes any sense at all? |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 5:44 PM Author: razzle-dazzle goal in life property Correct but some liberal dykes and latinas used this to get out of a politically charged case they didn't want to be on
The judge was trying to drop this case from the beginning, especially in that she ruled that all evidence was suppressed regarding Baldwin "running" the film including hiring incompetent people and waving guns around and shooting blanks at actors and accidental discharges going off. After suppressing ALL of the context surrounding Baldwin's irresponsible behavior, the judge threw out the entire case because the defendant in a related trial's dad had a friend mail the court a box of bullets he found in his house in another state and the prosecution didn't put this in discovery. Not flame lol. |