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LeBron VORP embarrasses Jordan.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/vorp_career.htm...
I cant believe this moniker was available
  09/26/24
Almost as if the stat is complete bullshit if the #3 and #4 ...
Bill (((Goldberg)))
  09/26/24
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  09/26/24
This is fair.
I cant believe this moniker was available
  09/26/24
It's just ludicrous. There is no GM alive who would have tra...
Bill (((Goldberg)))
  09/27/24
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  09/27/24
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Kenneth Play
  09/26/24
so theyre doing this now with basketball too
Self-serious Macbook Airplane Girl
  09/26/24
And basketball fucking sucks now compared to the 90s. Just l...
I cant believe this moniker was available
  09/26/24
mlb is fine its just the WAR! hawking that sucks. any casual...
Self-serious Macbook Airplane Girl
  09/26/24
Disagree. There are a lot of things that have contributed ...
I cant believe this moniker was available
  09/26/24
there's way more small ball this year, with bigger bases and...
Kenneth Play
  09/26/24
Ohtani came at the right time. Been great to watch.
I cant believe this moniker was available
  09/26/24
hes just whining about tv ratings and stuff. baseball has al...
Self-serious Macbook Airplane Girl
  09/26/24
I guess it comes down to how much of a purist you are.
I cant believe this moniker was available
  09/27/24
You gotta look at single season VORP. Jordan spanks LeBron ...
quads
  09/27/24
Oh wow there’s a stat that tells you how many more gam...
the walter white of this generation (walt jr.)
  09/27/24


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Date: September 26th, 2024 11:23 PM
Author: I cant believe this moniker was available

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/vorp_career.html

Stockton at #3 is interesting. With Malone at 4 it makes it a tragedy Utah never got a ring.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602052&forum_id=2...id#48136277)



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Date: September 26th, 2024 11:37 PM
Author: Bill (((Goldberg)))

Almost as if the stat is complete bullshit if the #3 and #4 of all time with other good players like jeff hornacek on their squad could never get anything done.

It has JAMES HARDEN ahead of Shaq and Hakeem. A fucking journeyman who has been on four teams in four years and can't get anywhere in the playoffs no matter who is put around him. Dream (#19) won it all with Otis fucking Thorpe as the second option on the team. In fact, he went straight through prime Stockton and prime Malone to do it. That should tell you all you need to know.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602052&forum_id=2...id#48136315)



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Date: September 26th, 2024 11:41 PM
Author: .;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,




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Date: September 26th, 2024 11:45 PM
Author: I cant believe this moniker was available

This is fair.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602052&forum_id=2...id#48136331)



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Date: September 27th, 2024 12:16 AM
Author: Bill (((Goldberg)))

It's just ludicrous. There is no GM alive who would have traded either of Shaq or Hakeem for either of Stockton or Malone. The stat isn't nearly complex enough to account for true impact on the game. Shaq and Hakeem put up their numbers being constantly double and triple teamed because if you didn't, they were going to score on you literally every single possession. Stockton and Malone put up good numbers, but they could be guarded straight up without completely going off and taking over a game.

Let's take a look at lebron too. Is there any fucking doubt that if you took all of his stacked superteams, many of which choked in the playoffs and some of which didn't even perform in the regular season had abysmal records compared to the players on them...take those teams, replace Lebron with Jordan, is there any fucking doubt that many of them would have won it all?

Let me put it another way. Is there ANY CONCEIVABLE UNIVERSE where Jordan takes home less than a gold from the olympics, unlike LeBronze James?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602052&forum_id=2...id#48136400)



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Date: September 27th, 2024 12:28 AM
Author: .;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602052&forum_id=2...id#48136413)



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Date: September 26th, 2024 11:55 PM
Author: Kenneth Play



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Date: September 26th, 2024 11:44 PM
Author: Self-serious Macbook Airplane Girl

so theyre doing this now with basketball too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602052&forum_id=2...id#48136329)



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Date: September 26th, 2024 11:46 PM
Author: I cant believe this moniker was available

And basketball fucking sucks now compared to the 90s. Just like MLB. Go figure.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602052&forum_id=2...id#48136334)



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Date: September 26th, 2024 11:47 PM
Author: Self-serious Macbook Airplane Girl

mlb is fine its just the WAR! hawking that sucks. any casual fan can still tell who is good by eyeballing the real stats.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602052&forum_id=2...id#48136338)



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Date: September 26th, 2024 11:55 PM
Author: I cant believe this moniker was available

Disagree.

There are a lot of things that have contributed to the shrinking popularity of MLM. For me, it is the demise of small ball. But here is a good rundown of how the league has been fixed until it's broke, going back decades.

https://www.dannystable.com/post/why-modern-baseball-sucks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602052&forum_id=2...id#48136355)



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Date: September 26th, 2024 11:56 PM
Author: Kenneth Play

there's way more small ball this year, with bigger bases and more stealing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602052&forum_id=2...id#48136359)



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Date: September 26th, 2024 11:58 PM
Author: I cant believe this moniker was available

Ohtani came at the right time. Been great to watch.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602052&forum_id=2...id#48136362)



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Date: September 26th, 2024 11:59 PM
Author: Self-serious Macbook Airplane Girl

hes just whining about tv ratings and stuff. baseball has always been a go-to-a-game-for-15-bucks sport and nfl is a buy-a-yetti-cooler-for-300-bucks sport nfl obviously wins on tv ratings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602052&forum_id=2...id#48136367)



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Date: September 27th, 2024 12:00 AM
Author: I cant believe this moniker was available

I guess it comes down to how much of a purist you are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602052&forum_id=2...id#48136372)



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Date: September 27th, 2024 12:46 AM
Author: quads

You gotta look at single season VORP. Jordan spanks LeBron and everyone else

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602052&forum_id=2...id#48136437)



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Date: September 27th, 2024 12:52 AM
Author: the walter white of this generation (walt jr.)

Oh wow there’s a stat that tells you how many more games you’ll win with that player on your team! Useful! In fact, given the unimpeachable credibility of this statistic at measuring what it purports to measure, I literally cannot see why we bother tracking any other statistic!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5602052&forum_id=2...id#48136446)