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Elie Mystal: Why Democrats Should Become the 'Pro-Porn' Party

https://archive.is/2jXEr ELIE MYSTAL SOCIETY / JULY 2, 202...
buttfaggot
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A century ago, a creature like Mystal would have been hunted...
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buttfaggot
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really out of touch take from i'm guessing either an early m...
ethel the frog
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cr poast this is him: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...
buttfaggot
  07/07/25
looks like Don King's evil bizarro world counterpart
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indian redditor at "America Party" rally
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http://www.amazon.com/review/R1XA4GC6N2DK4V
Metal Up Your Ass
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genius move on his part to convey that his articles aren't a...
ataraxic
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David Poaster Wallace
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Trump Tariffs Can Do No Wrong
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Horrified AI invoking First Law of Robotics on your behalf w...
Mace's Pajama Attire
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buttfaggot
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(Porn at) Night, by Elie Mystal
lfo
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A particularly Jewish take
United Negro Coffin Fund
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Sex-positive porn enjoyers are not a political demographic t...
Mace's Pajama Attire
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I'd argue that really it's the opposite; inasmuch as pornogr...
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caught arguing with yourself. grow up, 007.
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faggotmaster
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But in spite of himself his instinct is correct that what he...
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Mace's Pajama Attire
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Hugh Hefner was not a nice man but his Curation skills were ...
manic pixie dream litigator
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Lmfao. Elie, you magnificent bastard!
Pierbattista Pizzaballa
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Die Hard 2: Die Harder
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indian redditor at "America Party" rally
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hello fellow young people with normal, healthy sexualities
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indian redditor at "America Party" rally
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Date: July 7th, 2025 3:27 AM
Author: buttfaggot (✅🍑)

https://archive.is/2jXEr

ELIE MYSTAL

SOCIETY / JULY 2, 2025

The Supreme Court Just Handed Democrats a Potent New Cause—Porn

The court’s anti-porn ruling is terrible, but it’s also an opportunity for Democrats to reclaim the cause of free speech.

I have many thoughts on how the Democratic Party might start to win back young men who have abandoned the party for fascism. None of them involve abandoning women’s rights, women’s leadership, or the LGBTQ community. But one of my suggestions is that the Democrats should embrace pornography and other examples of sexiness and smut under the umbrella of free speech.

Democrats must be the party of free speech and artistic expression. That is the liberal position. Republicans have hijacked the free speech issue, but the only free speech conservatives actually believe in is the “freedom” to shout racist and sexist crap online. That argument works on certain types of men—men who think using slurs makes them “edgy” and counterculture. Men who get uncomfortable when they don’t know the right thing to say. Men who don’t know how to talk to women.

But using a person’s preferred pronouns or swallowing a racial insult in your throat is not actually a free speech issue: it’s a human decency issue. The government does not fine you if you say the n-word, nor does it prevent you from getting a date just because you talk like a dude who is one rejection text away from becoming a mass shooter. Republicans are not protecting incels from government overreach, they’re protecting them from the social consequences of their beliefs.

Now, to be clear, pornography is viewed and enjoyed by all sorts of people, male and female, gay and straight, trans and cis. Indeed, one of the highest, best uses of porn (I can’t believe I just wrote that) is that it helps young people figure out what they’re actually into. Sex-positive porn enjoyers are not a political demographic the Democrats generally have a problem with.

Young, cishetero men who like jerking off to boobs the size of back problems are. They have been led to believe that Republicans are the protectors of free speech in this country. Some of those guys don’t care about free speech: they vote Republican because Republicans support their desire to treat real-life women like the sex objects of their fantasies. There’s nothing that can be done to save these people.

But Democrats can speak to people who honestly believe that freedom of thought and expression are under attack in this country, because it is under attack—from Republicans. You might not be able to convince a cishetero white guy that “Free Palestine” flags are germane to his free speech concerns, but you might convince him that porn is.

That’s because pornography is an actual free speech issue. So is smut. So is obscenity. These are forms of free speech that conservatives and Republicans in the government are constantly trying to regulate. There is no way that a young male interested in downloading some “not safe for work” content should be under the impression that the Republican freaking party are the people who are going to defend and protect this right to do so. Liberals are the people who are supposed to be at the vanguard of free expression when it comes to sexy time. Democrats should be exposing the fundamental Republican hypocrisy of treating PornHub like a sin but Donald Trump like a god. And they can do that by loudly and proudly defending people’s rights to access PornHub (or whatever the kids are using these days).

Sex pests Clarence Thomas and alleged attempted rapist Brett Kavanaugh are the perfect examples of that hypocrisy: in their private lives they’ve been accused of sexual harassment and indecent behavior, but when it comes to actual legal issues involving lascivious speech, they suddenly reach for their Bibles. Thomas and Kavanaugh believe in the “freedom” to menace real-life women, but not the freedom to draw fake ones.

The latest example of this cognitive Republican dissonance comes from the third, awful decision released by the Supreme Court on the last day of its term: Free Speech Coalition v. Paxton. At issue was a Texas law that requires adult websites to use age verification software in an effort to restrict the ability of minors to access pornography.

Nobody was arguing that minors have a constitutional right to access porn. But adults do. Regulating adult access to porn is a point-and-one-handed-click restriction on the freedom of speech and the freedom of expression.

If it’s not obvious to you how an age verification system restricts adult access to adult websites, well then consider yourself lucky to have never been on an adult website in the modern internet age. In my anecdotal “research”—for science—there is not a single one of these sites where I’d feel comfortable putting in my credit card information, or my freaking driver’s license, or anything else that could be used to reliably verify my age.

But the Supreme Court waved these concerns away and affirmed Texas’s right to suppress free speech. Writing for the 6-3 Republican supermajority, Thomas argued:

“Adults have the right to access speech that is obscene only to minors. And, submitting to age verification is a burden on the exercise of that right. But, adults have no First Amendment right to avoid age verification, and the statute can readily be understood as an effort to restrict minors’ access. Any burden experienced by adults is therefore only incidental to the statute’s regulation of activity that is not protected by the First Amendment.”

Thomas’s argument is illogical on its face. Adults have a right that has nothing to do with kids; age verification burdens the right; however, adults don’t have a right to be free of the thing that violates their rights… because porn.

What Thomas is doing in the legal weeds of this decision weakens the freedom of speech far beyond the pornography context. That’s because courts traditionally apply what they call “strict scrutiny” to any First Amendment issue. It means that for the government to restrict speech, it must show a “compelling” reason to do so, and it must restrict speech in the most limited way possible. We see Republicans apply this standard all the time, whenever any religious wingnut gets offended by the existence of gay people. In another case that came out on the same day as this one, Republicans on the court literally applied strict scrutiny to decide that a public school district can’t use books that depict LGBTQ people without notifying parents because such books offend the First Amendment rights of bigoted parents.

But in this case, Thomas and the Republicans ruled that strict scrutiny was not appropriate when all the state wants to do is limit people’s First Amendment rights to view porn. Instead, Thomas said that the court should use “intermediate scrutiny,” which is a different made-up standard that allows courts to rubber-stamp government restrictions that they like as a matter of policy. Thomas says that the Texas law “advances important governmental interests unrelated to the suppression of free speech,” but that is a dirty lie. The very point of the Texas law is the suppression of free speech, if you understand porn to be under the umbrella of speech.

If Thomas can lower the standard the government must meet when restricting speech in this case, it’s fair to ask what might be next. Restricting porn might seem like a low stakes issue, but it’s a small step from porn to art and music. It’s a small step from porn to video games. And it’s not hard to imagine Justices like Thomas and Samuel Alito, who hate journalism, taking “intermediate scrutiny” out for a spin when it comes to the news.

In dissent, Justice Elena Kagan cuts through the crap. She writes:

“Under ordinary First Amendment doctrine, this Court should subject [the Texas law] to strict scrutiny. That is because [the Texas law] covers speech constitutionally protected for adults; impedes adults’ ability to view that speech; and imposes that burden based on the speech’s content. Case closed.”

Kagan’s dissent (denuded of its legal jargon, of course), is the First Amendment/free speech argument Democrats should embrace. The government cannot burden constitutionally protected speech under the thin guise of protecting children. Democrats should be the explicitly (pun intended) pro-porn party. It should be the explicitly pro-privacy party. It should be the explicitly pro-OnlyFans and pro-sex workers party. If it’s going to support regulations of the industries of smut at all, it should be to protect the rights of workers and actors, while also protecting the privacy of users.

These are the actual free speech issues of our time. Let Republicans rail against “woke” terminology with their mouths while trying to ban Grand Theft Auto with their legislation. Democrats can outflank them by actually defending free speech from prudish Republican overreach.

Free Speech v. Paxton is a gift to any Democratic politician smart and bold enough to seize it. Republicans, in Texas and on the Supreme Court, have once again shown their puritanical nature, which is antithetical to free speech and free expression. Democrats should fight them.

Elie Mystal

Elie Mystal is The Nation’s justice correspondent and a columnist. He is also an Alfred Knobler Fellow at the Type Media Center. He is the author of two books: the New York Times bestseller Allow Me to Retort: A Black Guy’s Guide to the Constitution and Bad Law: Ten Popular Laws That Are Ruining America, both published by The New Press. You can subscribe to his Nation newsletter “Elie v. U.S.” here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746996&forum_id=2...id#49078120)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 3:31 AM
Author: CapTTTainFalcon

A century ago, a creature like Mystal would have been hunted and possibly eaten.

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2294840&mc=47&forum_id=2#23492584



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746996&forum_id=2...id#49078124)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 3:32 AM
Author: buttfaggot (✅🍑)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746996&forum_id=2...id#49078125)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 3:35 AM
Author: ethel the frog

really out of touch take from i'm guessing either an early millennial or late xer

lots of zoomers and below are famously frigid and skittish about libidinal matters due to psychological or spiritual scarring from the libertine sexual ethics forced on millennials and that would later come to define some part of the shared culture there

vilifying (or trying to politically corral) young straight men for being turned on by pictures of big breasts? ljl you may as well vilify fish for swimming, trees for swaying, or mormons for enjoying diet cola. complete non-starter there

also claiming that pornography helps "young people find out what they're into" is misleading; pornography *creates* tastes as well as sorts them, and many of the tastes that it creates cause major issues with otherwise normal and healthy sexual development down the line. before the advent of hardcore internet pornography, routine "choke-fucking" and bonnie blue style gangbangs were the stuff of urban legend, not reality.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746996&forum_id=2...id#49078126)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 3:39 AM
Author: buttfaggot (✅🍑)

cr poast

this is him: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Elie_Mystal_01.jpg/500px-Elie_Mystal_01.jpg

1978 according to wiki so yes late Xer

Joy Reid's favorite guest on her former show, has featured on XO here and there over the years

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746996&forum_id=2...id#49078128)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 3:41 AM
Author: ethel the frog

looks like Don King's evil bizarro world counterpart

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746996&forum_id=2...id#49078129)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 3:41 AM
Author: buttfaggot (✅🍑)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 7:24 AM
Author: Mace's Pajama Attire (No Future)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 7:56 AM
Author: Mace's Pajama Attire (No Future)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 11:54 AM
Author: indian redditor at "America Party" rally



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Date: July 7th, 2025 12:51 PM
Author: Metal Up Your Ass

http://www.amazon.com/review/R1XA4GC6N2DK4V

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746996&forum_id=2...id#49078965)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 3:52 AM
Author: ataraxic

genius move on his part to convey that his articles aren't ai-generated by writing at a middle school level

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746996&forum_id=2...id#49078132)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 7:27 AM
Author: David Poaster Wallace



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Date: July 7th, 2025 7:34 AM
Author: Trump Tariffs Can Do No Wrong (TDNW)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 7:35 AM
Author: Mace's Pajama Attire (No Future)

Horrified AI invoking First Law of Robotics on your behalf when you ask it to write Elie pastiche

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746996&forum_id=2...id#49078273)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 7:47 AM
Author: ataraxic

"I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't be the vanguard of free expression when it comes to sexy time."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746996&forum_id=2...id#49078291)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 9:53 AM
Author: .,.,.;;,;.,;:,:,,:,.,:,::,..;.,:,.:;.:.,;.:.,:.::,




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Date: July 7th, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: manic pixie dream litigator



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746996&forum_id=2...id#49078773)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 6:32 AM
Author: buttfaggot (✅🍑)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746996&forum_id=2...id#49078198)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 6:35 AM
Author: lfo

(Porn at) Night, by Elie Mystal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746996&forum_id=2...id#49078200)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 7:27 AM
Author: United Negro Coffin Fund

A particularly Jewish take

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746996&forum_id=2...id#49078255)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 7:28 AM
Author: Mace's Pajama Attire (No Future)

Sex-positive porn enjoyers are not a political demographic the Democrats generally have a problem with.

Young, cishetero men who like jerking off to boobs the size of back problems are. They have been led to believe that Republicans are the protectors of free speech in this country. Some of those guys don’t care about free speech: they vote Republican because Republicans support their desire to treat real-life women like the sex objects of their fantasies. There’s nothing that can be done to save these people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746996&forum_id=2...id#49078259)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 7:30 AM
Author: Mace's Pajama Attire (No Future)

I'd argue that really it's the opposite; inasmuch as pornography is part of normal social/psycho-sexual development, it's looking at an old Playboy. Really the answer to pornography is that it shouldn't go beyond what you could sell at the newsstand in 1968.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746996&forum_id=2...id#49078261)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 8:14 AM
Author: Oh, you travel? ( )

caught arguing with yourself. grow up, 007.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746996&forum_id=2...id#49078324)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 8:39 AM
Author: faggotmaster (🧐)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 8:24 AM
Author: ataraxic

But in spite of himself his instinct is correct that what he opposes is a pornography controlled by men. Playboy was enticing as a carefully curated gamut of hot chick phenotypes pictured in tastefully sexy poses, chosen and directed around by men. Rarefied and therefore exclusive and discriminatory. Modern porn is a free-for-all of smelly obese tatted-up slobs celebrating the empowerment they get out of a $2,000/month hustle. Probably would have been very prestigious to date a Playboy chick who posed opposite a Nabokov short in 1970 whereas doing porn is now a scarlet letter in the dating market.

It's the male-directed tasteful pornography that is inherently more objectifying and patriarchal and more offensive to Elie’s sensibilities but he can’t think beyond the middle school caricatures in his mind. Really he’s happier that mentally ill chicks with oafish misshapen tits get to engage in the kind of offensively grotesque vulgarity that he stupidly calls objectifying here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746996&forum_id=2...id#49078341)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 8:33 AM
Author: Mace's Pajama Attire (No Future)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 11:45 AM
Author: manic pixie dream litigator

Hugh Hefner was not a nice man but his Curation skills were absolutely unmatched

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746996&forum_id=2...id#49078774)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 7:49 AM
Author: Pierbattista Pizzaballa

Lmfao. Elie, you magnificent bastard!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746996&forum_id=2...id#49078294)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 8:10 AM
Author: Die Hard 2: Die Harder

Sorry dude but no one disagrees that porn is out of control, from the guys who watch it to the girls who watch it to those who don't but cannot find partners. If you are a lib you either blame your inability to get married on economy or on porn.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746996&forum_id=2...id#49078321)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 12:00 PM
Author: indian redditor at "America Party" rally

Libs already are *both* the pro-porn party and the anti-porn party

It's a good example of the weird, insane schizophrenia of the Western "left" coalition. A collection of incoherent and contradictory positions, none of which are desirable or attractive, that trip over each other and create the effect of turning off every normal and healthy person

Libs shame sexual expression and beauty and sexiness while also glorifying "sex work" and "sex workers" and smut. The most generous(?) attempt at a consistent framing of their views is that they are aligned against sexually attractive people and sexual intercourse itself, and the derivatives of sexual intercourse (relationships, monogamy, families, children). You could say they're a sort of coalition of sexually unattractive and sexually unsuccessful people: uglies, fats, mentally ill sex workers, homosexuals and other sexual deviants, trannies, etc

Young people with normal, healthy sexualities have figured out that libs are broadly hostile to them, and have reacted accordingly

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746996&forum_id=2...id#49078811)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 12:05 PM
Author: manic pixie dream litigator

hello fellow young people with normal, healthy sexualities



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746996&forum_id=2...id#49078828)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 12:21 PM
Author: indian redditor at "America Party" rally

"It's not your fault that you aren't hitting puberty until age 26. The microplastics are doing that and you shouldn't feel bad or self-conscious about it."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746996&forum_id=2...id#49078871)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 12:13 PM
Author: Zen Koan Benefits

elie is right, but he writes like a 1230 SAT (old scale) high school junior. it's amazing this retard is allowed to blather opinions in print.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746996&forum_id=2...id#49078846)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 12:30 PM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


like Samson, his strength comes from his hair.

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Date: July 7th, 2025 12:47 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.


Libs are not actually libertarian at all and you can look at Scandinavian countries and note their positions on prostitution. What libs really want is to show tranny porn to little kids as part of elementary school curriculum.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746996&forum_id=2...id#49078953)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 12:58 PM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


i'm still chuckling about the gay biglaw lawyer trying to explain away the gay parade book as teaching friendliness and Gorsuch said, "counsel, i've read the book."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746996&forum_id=2...id#49078993)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 12:59 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.




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