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Date: July 18th, 2023 9:51 PM Author: Mind-boggling office karate LMFAO:
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Date: July 18th, 2023 9:52 PM Author: orchid site What's the problem? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563709) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 9:54 PM Author: Mind-boggling office karate No other law firm is allowed to bill like this. V3-200 partners spend hours every month proofing the bill. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563717) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 9:54 PM Author: orchid site This is WACHTELL goddamit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563723) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 12:00 AM Author: Maize Knife Under my nearest federal district court's local rules, a huge portion of those fees would not be awarded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564206) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 7:56 AM Author: chrome point milk who the fuck cares? wlrk in this matter wasnt seeking fees from a court fee award (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564680) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 11:49 AM Author: Mind-boggling office karate They track time like this for the clients who only get “services rendered” bills. They clean it up when their bills are going to be discoverable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46565298) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 2:26 PM Author: Maize Knife And then charge the client for it! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46566025) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 8:37 PM Author: UN peacekeeper (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#49989534) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 9:58 PM Author: racy new version quadroon one day (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563751) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 9:59 PM Author: Spectacular wagecucks chad how do you bill 20 hours in a single day? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563756) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 10:00 PM Author: racy new version quadroon (never gonna maek it) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563763) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 10:07 PM Author: chrome point milk (guy who didnt read the dbg billing method) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563797) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 10:35 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Locale Immigrant Cr. A partner of mine at the ultra prestigious firm Jackson Lewis has been told several times to stop billing 25-26 hours in a single day (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563905) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 10:48 PM Author: Supple dun mediation why? if you are on a plane in which time zones change it is extremely realistic that you'd be billing upwards of 30 Horus in a single day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563969) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 10:04 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Locale Immigrant you must have a good idea how article 7.4 interacts with 9.7 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564935) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 2:17 PM Author: Slippery Adventurous Tanning Salon Legal Warrant Software does not let you bill over 24 hours even though there is one day in the year that has 25 hours (setting aside time zone considerations). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46565989) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 2:31 PM Author: chrome point milk would take 2 minutes for the software co to change the software (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46566042) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 9:53 PM Author: Mind-boggling office karate I would have sold my soul to be able to bill like this.
No wonder they're able to hit 3000 hours a year.
"14.7 work on stuff" |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 9:58 PM Author: slate violent rehab roommate Adam Goldman : 20 hours of attention to discovery.
Although Leo Strine at 2k an hour seems like a bargain |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 10:07 PM Author: Honey-headed diverse base rigor very impressive list of wasp judges he clerked for (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563794) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 10:10 PM Author: chrome point milk souter is a wasp! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563809) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 7:52 PM Author: razzmatazz flushed hospital many such cases with homosexual wasps (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46567404) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 12:25 AM Author: Doobsian Fragrant Center Brethren Lol he clerked for two scotus justices. Pretty sure he can shit in his hand and fling his poop like a monkey whenever he feels like it and he would still make partner. This dude strivered his way to maximum glory. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564279) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 10:02 PM Author: racy new version quadroon lol that rsf's job (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563774) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 9:56 PM Author: lemon parlor “16.50 document review”
It’s a noble profession |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 10:00 PM Author: Big-titted Chapel Stock Car funny since you're supposed to bill anything past midnight to the next day. did this person really bill 16.5 hours before midnight?
guess it could be cumulative from night before. |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 10:12 PM Author: chrome point milk are you really? ive always started the new day when i went to sleep. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563816) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 10:42 PM Author: Spectacular wagecucks chad donald, we need to talk about your billing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563936) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 10:44 PM Author: Fluffy Flickering Telephone Dingle Berry Adebola O.M. Olofin is clearly picking up your slack tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563948) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 10:43 PM Author: beta khaki old irish cottage temple 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563939) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 8:52 AM Author: razzmatazz flushed hospital DE Shaw is sure as shit more prestigious than any law firm and has far better exit options
he won |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 8:57 AM Author: Sadistic elite round eye (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564754) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 10:22 PM Author: marvelous therapy obviously elon leaked this either directly or indirectly. what the fuck did he think he was getting hiring wachtell? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563865) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 10:26 PM Author: Big-titted Chapel Stock Car oldco twitter hired wlrk, not elon. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563882) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 12:04 AM Author: Maize Knife (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564223) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 8:14 PM Author: Slimy Passionate Casino Useless Brakes Why didn't they settle the bill before they split? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46567472) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 9:53 PM Author: Razzle newt Guy who doesn’t read Matt Levine like he should.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-07-11/matt-levine-s-money-stuff-elon-musk-blames-the-lawyers?sref=cMRkRbwk |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 10:30 PM Author: Onyx kitchen honestly it seems like a lot of liability even "being" a junior associate these days. even if you bill 2500 hours you run the risk they will throw you under the bus for some sort of billing fraud or something. its such transparent horseshit and someone has to go down at some point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563894) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 10:32 PM Author: Jet church building fanboi Not really fraud. I overbill by multiples and when I get questioned I just say my ADD is a disability that makes me spend hours to send an email. Been doing this for years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563897) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 10:34 PM Author: Onyx kitchen boomers are on their way out bro. theyll testify. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563901) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 11:04 PM Author: racy new version quadroon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563999) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 9:02 AM Author: trip cordovan boistinker theater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564767) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 10:34 PM Author: Big-titted Chapel Stock Car the only people who get caught are the ones who turn themselves in, brag about it somehow and leave a paper trail revealed in discovery, do something egregious like bill on a closed case or one they are no longer staffed on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563903) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 10:35 PM Author: Big-titted Chapel Stock Car and speaking of paper trail, no one at the firm will ever email you about this issue to cover their own ass. so usually at most you'll get verbally asked about it. just dont be a retard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563907) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 10:35 PM Author: chrome point milk or have a bookmark to the dbg billing method (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563908) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 10:34 PM Author: marvelous therapy lol tell me you've never been biglaw without telling me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563904) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 2:55 AM Author: narrow-minded laser beams (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564537) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 7:38 PM Author: overrated odious plaza pisswyrm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46567370) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 10:14 AM Author: Mind-boggling office karate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46569087) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 9:41 PM Author: Mind-boggling office karate Please link any major billing fraud cases.
That Chicago associate turned himself into the bar, confessed to massive fraud, and the law firm reviewed and was like, “we can’t find any evidence of over billing, but we’ll give all the affect clients a 30 percent refund” |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 10:37 PM Author: Provocative public bath windowlicker is there no protective order in this case that this could just be filed publicly
seems like a great way to piss of the judge
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Date: July 18th, 2023 10:40 PM Author: Spectacular wagecucks chad if you can leak a yuge scotus opinion without any consequences what chance does something like this have? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563927) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 10:43 PM Author: Provocative public bath windowlicker oh it wasnt posted on the docket? n/m then (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563942) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 10:44 PM Author: Spectacular wagecucks chad what part of "wachtell bill leaked" don't you understand? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563949) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 9:59 AM Author: smoky faggot firefighter house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564916) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 10:44 PM Author: aromatic associate Lol at not billing 20 hours per day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563947) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 2:36 PM Author: Multi-colored persian On “discovery” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46566054) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 10:46 PM Author: Motley Topaz Becky Elon poasts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563956) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 10:46 PM Author: Supple dun mediation pg. 2, 15 hours billed to blank space. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563961) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 10:48 PM Author: chrome point milk he's sending us a message. he looks like a poaster too:
https://www.wlrk.com/attorney/amgogolak/ |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 7:55 AM Author: Sapphire Fighting Library Bbw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564679) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 1:16 PM Author: Concupiscible trust fund he’s blank bumping 15 of his colleagues’ entries, the mystery is which ones (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46565653) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 3:49 PM Author: Sapphire Fighting Library Bbw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46566427) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 3:51 PM Author: Abnormal institution turdskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46566444) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 5:11 PM Author: trip cordovan boistinker theater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46566790) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 2:57 PM Author: Startling Home Foreskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46566144) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 10:47 PM Author: Supple dun mediation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46563965) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 11:05 PM Author: lilac histrionic jap Associate are billed at $725+ nowadays? Jfc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564000) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 11:08 PM Author: Provocative public bath windowlicker That’s the paralegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564003) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 11:09 PM Author: lilac histrionic jap https://www.wlrk.com/attorney/afabu/ did "doc review" for $725/hr for 12 hrs
Also https://www.wlrk.com/attorney/jlallen/ |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 11:11 PM Author: Honey-headed diverse base rigor https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/msnbc/2013_41/34373/ap94212955797.jpg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564017) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 11:13 PM Author: lilac histrionic jap They also sat in on dozens of hours of "team meetings" and billed out their time at $725/hr. What value do these 2nd year associates add to these "team meetings" that justify their hourly rate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564026) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 2:57 AM Author: narrow-minded laser beams (not partner material) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564539) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 6:26 AM Author: hairraiser hateful resort cuck they also flew to Toronto (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564609) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 9:24 AM Author: Impressive ivory toaster Wtf were they doing there? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564816) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 12:50 PM Author: lilac histrionic jap Idk, but I'm sure they billed their time out at $725/hr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46565542) |
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Date: July 18th, 2023 11:17 PM Author: irradiated circlehead What’s the source tweet? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564039) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 6:24 AM Author: cowardly sandwich headpube The paralegal bills are $300 to download documents from pacer
Fuck my life |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 6:26 AM Author: Exhilarant Sienna Masturbator Preventive Strike Ediscovery Staff Attorney billing at $1,100 per hour https://www.wlrk.com/attorney/ctmorgan/
JFC |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 2:58 PM Author: Startling Home Foreskin more than the associates? LOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46566147) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 3:07 PM Author: chrome point milk she's chambers ranked in ediscovery, bro
you need grunts like this -- highly specialized aspie ppl who arent gonna killself doing nothing but being foremost mfes on ediscovery bullshit. |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 3:39 PM Author: Startling Home Foreskin we have discovery attorneys at my V20. the clients would shoot us if we billed them out at $1k+/hr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46566359) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 3:42 PM Author: chrome point milk sub-associate discovery attorneys =/= some discovery MFE who is a non-equity partner / of counsel / has some other fancy title (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46566387) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 6:29 AM Author: hairraiser hateful resort cuck Non-lawyer here, isn't it rewarding enough to bill the $800-1400 per hour that they do? Do they really need to abuse the billing system to effectively double the already-absurd hourly rate? This is all very bizarre and offputting to a "normie" who has to hardscrabble to make every buck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564616) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 7:01 AM Author: Red gas station azn They will bill the maximum amount that they can under the situation, which here was working for soon-to-be-ex employees of Twitter (who wouldn't be around to actually deal with the bill when due, and thus would never pushback) on "bet-the-company" litigation. If you think these lawyers would say "we've billed enough for today, and although we can bill $5,000 more this evening by randomly looking at some papers, that's probably not necessary" you have no idea how these law firms work. The partners working at these firms are mega-strivers whose entire life purpose is more billing, more work until they eventually die. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564646) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 8:27 AM Author: beta khaki old irish cottage temple (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564712) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 9:23 AM Author: Wonderful indecent meetinghouse (actual big law attorney) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564814) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 7:51 AM Author: cowardly sandwich headpube That's why they're being sued (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564678) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 7:57 AM Author: chrome point milk you're missing the point that each individual lawyer has an incentive -- and pressure -- to bill as much as he can. your hourly rate is irrelevant when you're at a firm where there's pressure to bill the fuck out of matters and hit 3000 hrs a year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564683) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 9:14 AM Author: slate violent rehab roommate The billing numbers are besides the point. It’s a little hard to follow out apparently they actually billed 30 million or what we but then demanded twitter pay them 90 million because of their “good work” or whatever. That’s what musks wants to claw back, since it was not in the original agreement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564795) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 9:32 AM Author: hairraiser hateful resort cuck Sounds like they did 3 million of work and are trying to usuriously extract a massive stealth tax from their "clients" at every step of the process, which I gather is how most/all biglaw seems to work. What I can't understand is why this extremely inefficient system exists at all. Legal knowledge is largely a commodity and the laws are public information. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564840) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 12:44 PM Author: Slimy Passionate Casino Useless Brakes Law is a cartel. Attorney discipline committees ensure that none of the cartel members defect and undercut each other. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46565515) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 9:19 AM Author: overrated odious plaza pisswyrm Meanwhile on Reddit, people are arguing whether billing 0.1 on a 93 second phone call is ethical. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564807) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 9:19 AM Author: Impressive ivory toaster Ljl at these retards being too dumb to include a contingency fee in their engagement letter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564809) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 2:24 PM Author: Slippery Adventurous Tanning Salon Legal Warrant They had to keep time because of D&O insurance. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46566019) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 9:16 PM Author: Impressive ivory toaster So? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46567684) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 9:25 AM Author: Wonderful indecent meetinghouse $17,000 for 14.5 hours of “strategy” by an associate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564819) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 9:51 AM Author: Autistic Crusty Garrison Hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564874) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 9:53 AM Author: Spectacular wagecucks chad yeah but she went to fordham (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564885) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 10:07 AM Author: lemon parlor $25 million for over 10 years of strategy on XO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564941) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 10:29 AM Author: cowardly sandwich headpube (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564991) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 1:13 PM Author: Concupiscible trust fund (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46565635) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2023 11:02 AM Author: Mentally impaired ungodly shrine pistol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46579901) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 10:02 AM Author: light school scourge upon the earth FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GAS ALL KIKES NOW (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46564933) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 11:51 AM Author: mauve soul-stirring sweet tailpipe One attorney had 16.5 hours of document review in one day? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46565303) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 12:08 PM Author: cowardly sandwich headpube they were likely under orders to find something, anything, to do on this case, for as long as you possibly can do it, up and until we send the pencils down email. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46565364) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 12:34 PM Author: navy nursing home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46565467) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 9:51 PM Author: Mind-boggling office karate That’s the most believable time entry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46567824) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 1:42 PM Author: Wine idea he suggested idiot I think this may have been an epic blunder by a group of people that are supposed to be the smartest in the room. Why would you bill this much and submit these time sheets to a company that, if you’re successful, will be run by the person you’re suing? If they’d billed $20 million (which isn’t bad for a couple months work) and submitted decent time sheets this probably wouldn’t be a big deal but with $90 million figure and now these bullshit time sheets I don’t see how this doesn’t seriously bite them in the ass. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46565814) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 2:59 PM Author: Startling Home Foreskin That's VERY antisemitic, fyi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46566151) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 8:00 PM Author: narrow-minded laser beams (1) It's not like Elon's going to keep using them when he takes over.
(2) Burn it all down.
(3) You can only settle for a number well under what you can 'blackboard' in damages. At this point Elon would be killing it to settle for $45M in fees; do you really think they did $45M in work? |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 1:47 PM Author: slap-happy flatulent stead personal credit line not a "biglaw guy" but is it standard to bill at >$1k/hr for your time you spend traveling and not working? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46565840) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 1:50 PM Author: chrome point milk yes. traveling is working. it's opportunity cost. why should the firm not charge the client when their attorney is out of pocket traveling and could otherwise be doing work?
unless the client is cheap and negotiates a deal with the firm where they dont pay for travel time or pay at a reduced rates, it's very standard.
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Date: July 19th, 2023 1:51 PM Author: crystalline crackhouse giraffe If the client will pay it, then yes. If you are in bankruptcy court they make you reduce it to 50%. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46565863) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 2:31 PM Author: Slippery Adventurous Tanning Salon Legal Warrant >$1500 and yes.
$2000 is still rarified air, but that’s changing. There was a wall at $1000 20 years ago, there is a similar wall at $2000, but it is falling. |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 5:12 PM Author: trip cordovan boistinker theater I believe you mean "rarefied." We need to have a talk about attention to detail, mistakes like these shouldn't be finding their way into final drafts. |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 3:16 PM Author: Slimy Passionate Casino Useless Brakes Hell yeah. The lawyer is supposed to make a big fuss about it too. "Oh I had to take the train from Philly at 7am, I won't get back to the office until late tonight..." to reinforce the point. They probably have some cutoff to determine whether it's "local commuting distance" or "travel." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46566253) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 3:19 PM Author: Thriller Sickened Indirect Expression absolutely. travel is work if you wouldn't be traveling but for the matter you're working on (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46566259) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 9:56 PM Author: Mind-boggling office karate It’s the fucking best, but the ABA has warned not to bill travel time while working for another client. You can’t bill two people for the same six minutes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46567849) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 10:11 PM Author: chrome point milk lol as if anyone knows whether u double billed as long as u dont have more than 24.0 per day (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46567903) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 10:14 PM Author: Maize Knife What's the reason I can't charge each of them half? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46567915) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 10:15 AM Author: Mind-boggling office karate That’s fine but stupid from a career perspective. Your hours will be better if you watch a movie and do the other clients work at the hotel.
The reality is you just need to make sure you don’t send that client their work while you’re on the plan. If it’s 3 hours, don’t send it until 3 hours after you got to the hotel. |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 12:17 PM Author: chrome point milk >> Your hours will be better if you watch a movie and do the other clients work at the hotel.
lol no. do the work on the plane, double bill the two clients, and then fuck a whore at the hotel |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 2:08 PM Author: Maize Knife I'm asking about the ethical objection. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46570132) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 4:41 PM Author: chrome point milk i'd assume you'd need client disclosure/consent. client A is happy to receive a 50% discount on your work, but client B would likely wonder why they should subsidize 50% of client A's bill if you're doing work for client A. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46570861) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 3:40 PM Author: marvelous therapy client by client basis (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46570580) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 3:21 PM Author: territorial international law enforcement agency Jessica Allen 1.75 "Team meetings" *No one else records time to "team meetings"*
This was always my biggest fear. |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 3:23 PM Author: lilac histrionic jap She was the only one who attended these team meetings. Or she could be recording time on behalf of all team members present at these meetings. We'll never know unless the client starts questioning (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46566275) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 3:25 PM Author: chrome point milk that's why u always block bill meetings/calls with prep for the call -- to the extent that u cant block bill the entire fucking day. that way, it's impossible to be called out for padding the meeting/call itself. c'mon this is billing 101 shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46566288) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 3:28 PM Author: territorial international law enforcement agency "Prepare for M&C with OC and attend same, attend to follow-up." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46566293) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 4:33 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Locale Immigrant yeah this is a rookie mistake. i NEVER bill for the actual time spent on meetings or calls. sometime the associate (or other partner) will bill more or less and i never want it to be questioned. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46566633) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 3:29 PM Author: Slippery Adventurous Tanning Salon Legal Warrant Strategy could include the meeting, or the blank one or …. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46566299) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 3:41 PM Author: lemon parlor “It was a Teams meeting. Sorry, typed it wrong.”
“With whom?”
*hangs up phone* |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 3:53 PM Author: claret talented cruise ship (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46566453) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 9:05 AM Author: Cracking shitlib deer antler lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46568875) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 3:37 PM Author: Bistre feces GORGEOUS Anitha Reddy, who is apparently a PARTNER, billing 9.0 hours straight for "legal research/brief drafting/discovery review" while she checks Shadi.com for potential matches while meditating to a urn containing part of Ruth Bader Ginsburg's ashes
https://benchmarklitigation.com/Lawyer/Anitha-Reddy-New-York/Profile/79734
EDIT: she definitely is a partner, her 9.0 hours cost $13.5k, a CHILL billing rate of $1,500
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Date: July 21st, 2023 12:59 PM Author: Aqua appetizing theater stage gunner Imagine the smell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46574018) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 3:46 PM Author: Henna trump supporter Well, this definitely puts them in a rough spot. What are they going to do, litigate it and subject their internal ops to discovery? They’re the most secretive law firm in the world, can’t imagine they want to deal with that. But how do they settle without looking like a bunch of shady blood sucking scumbags? That could result in serious reputational harm. Looks like they may have really screwed the pooch here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46566410) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 7:06 PM Author: territorial international law enforcement agency Elon foresaw all of this and laid a trap for them in May 2022. He never wanted out of the deal in the first place.
(TBF) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 5:08 PM Author: swashbuckling bisexual people who are hurt I’ve worked with Wachtell on a similar matter and I think the time billed is legit. I was billing 280-315 hours per month and they were working me under the table sending emails all hours of the night (including some of the folks on this bill). In these cases, the partners are constantly having to update the board and senior management and there is an insane amount of documents to review on an expedited basis, plus thousands of RFAs, interrogatories, stupid discovery letters/motions/30(b)(6) depositions, expert work, dispositive motions, statements of undisputed facts, etc.—plus you need to be preparing senior folks for depositions, coordinating with their individual counsel if they have it, traveling, etc.
This case was filed July 12 and set for trial October 17. People don’t realize how short that is to prepare for a dispute of this magnitude, which would require things like pulling emails and text messages from outside directors (who don’t have company email addresses and who were probably on their yachts off St. Tropez at the time the case was filed). |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 5:17 PM Author: Maize Knife "People don’t realize how short that is to prepare for a dispute of this magnitude"
Well, maybe non-lawyers don't. But I would think most people here know that three months is really fucking fast for just about any trial. |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 7:07 PM Author: territorial international law enforcement agency We had a case against Wachtel and got thousands of interrogatories, just like you did. It was INSANE how hard they work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46567214) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 10:09 PM Author: Maize Knife There wasn't a limit on them, like in FRCP 33(a)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46567898) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 8:09 AM Author: Slippery Adventurous Tanning Salon Legal Warrant No (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46568767) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 4:56 PM Author: territorial international law enforcement agency 1,975 of them were objectionable on that ground but they still make you work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46570923) |
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Date: July 21st, 2023 1:00 PM Author: Aqua appetizing theater stage gunner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46574025) |
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Date: July 21st, 2023 1:00 PM Author: Aqua appetizing theater stage gunner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46574026) |
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Date: July 21st, 2023 7:54 AM Author: swashbuckling bisexual people who are hurt This was in Chancery court, my man. Not federal court. No limit! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46573003) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 9:58 PM Author: Mind-boggling office karate I’ve always said that 300 hour months are honest and 160 hour months are full of fraud. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46567862) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 9:59 PM Author: Vivacious sticky sanctuary keepsake machete (Wachtell Of Counsel) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46567866) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 11:39 PM Author: lilac histrionic jap Yeah but was your time as a 2nd year associate worth $800/hr doing "team meetings?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46568169) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 10:17 AM Author: Mind-boggling office karate If the market is willing to bear it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46569114) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 10:32 PM Author: vigorous property candlestick maker You are right its not a unique situation. But what is unique about it here is they couldn't write complete sentences for their time entries. And apparently they don't have anyone in a billing department or a secretary who has time to clean up the entries for them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46572124) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 5:25 PM Author: lime stag film sneaky criminal Incredible that they bill paralegals out at like $425/hr and 1st year associates at $750/hr. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46566845) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 5:26 PM Author: swashbuckling bisexual people who are hurt BTW - the bankers were paid $133MM for this deal and stood to earn countless more from financing fees. In a deal where due diligence was essentially waived. I guarantee Wachtell spent more time on this case than either GS or JPM. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46566847) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 5:44 PM Author: Slimy Passionate Casino Useless Brakes Whose idea was it to make Musk do a background check before he could join the board? That seems like one of the dumbest moves of all time. The dood already has a TS clearance at minimum in connection with his SpaceX shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46566912) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 9:54 PM Author: sinister startled coldplay fan native Idk if that's true. You can run a company that does TS work without having TS clearance yourself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46567841) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2023 9:41 PM Author: razzmatazz flushed hospital lol are you fucking kidding.
elon personally works with the absolute highest levels of government. |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 10:05 PM Author: Mind-boggling office karate Lol, they also can’t sell the Twitter bonds they own. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46567887) |
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Date: July 21st, 2023 11:03 AM Author: Turquoise Cerebral Voyeur Philosopher-king Bankers don’t bill by the hour you dumbass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46573590) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 10:22 PM Author: Contagious Federal Fortuitous Meteor Lol at plaintiff's counsel using his actual residential address as his firm address.
https://www.dwell.com/home/920-camino-viejo-aia-award-winning-modernist-4-bed4.5-bath-montecito-estate-designed-by-renowned-architect-rex-lotery-0d1961c5 |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 11:05 PM Author: Maize Knife Isn't that what EPAH did? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46568081) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 4:59 PM Author: territorial international law enforcement agency Yeah it’s a raw power move against shitlawyers like RT and ZZZ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46570934) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 8:45 AM Author: Spectacular wagecucks chad fuck i'm poor. dude's wine collection is worth more than my life savings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46568839) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 8:50 AM Author: cowardly sandwich headpube At a certain level this is an embarrassment, at a certain level this is a flex
In this case it's a major flex |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 4:57 PM Author: territorial international law enforcement agency (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46570925) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 9:02 AM Author: Slippery Adventurous Tanning Salon Legal Warrant That house is hideously ugly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46568869) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 4:58 PM Author: territorial international law enforcement agency Don’t be mean 2 CSLG (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46570933) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 10:29 PM Author: Exciting den Shera Goldman needs to learn to block bill (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46567961) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 10:18 AM Author: Mind-boggling office karate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46569119) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 4:52 PM Author: tan alcoholic nowag box office Here's (((Adam L Goodman))), who totally spent 20 hours in a single day doing "attention to discovery" billing over $1,000 / hour.
https://www.wlrk.com/attorney/algoodman/ |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 4:53 PM Author: Spectacular wagecucks chad what do litigation partners there make? lit seems like an afterthought for them and with his credentials he'd be better off at one of the lit boutiques. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46570909) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 5:02 PM Author: territorial international law enforcement agency I’d heard they all take equal draws. That can’t be right though. Maybe equal by year? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46570945) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 5:03 PM Author: cowardly sandwich headpube his email is right there on the webpage, just shoot him a quick bit of career advice. He'll probably be quite grateful for the tip (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46570955) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 5:04 PM Author: Spectacular wagecucks chad "hey adam, you're probably paying attention to discovery right now, but..." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46570961) |
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Date: July 21st, 2023 12:55 PM Author: Aqua appetizing theater stage gunner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46574008) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 5:03 PM Author: Red gas station azn There's a small chance this guy was the younger partner assigned to corral all the discovery done by associates, and legitimately spent 20 hours doing nothing but reviewing docs tagged as "responsive" from 4 am to midnight while high on a quarter of his monthly Adderrall subscription.
But the more likely explanation is that he actually spent 16 hours doing that, and just couldn't help himself with the padding (boosting by 25% per his normal practice). |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 7:57 PM Author: beady-eyed crotch dopamine He's still running from the stench of non-Wharton Penn UG (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46571557) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 8:02 PM Author: chrome point milk mods! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46571574) |
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Date: July 21st, 2023 10:44 AM Author: Mind-boggling office karate Nothing wrong with going to Penn State (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46573507) |
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Date: July 21st, 2023 10:43 AM Author: Mind-boggling office karate He’s a good man. And thorough. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46573504) |
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Date: July 21st, 2023 10:57 AM Author: Charismatic metal filthpig lettuce Correction: He spent 20 hours that day on this matter. He also prepped for and attended the team call in another matter (1.5) and reviewed discovery responses in a third matter (2.5). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46573563) |
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Date: July 21st, 2023 12:06 PM Author: Titillating Pink Indian Lodge Why didn't Elon's lawyers bring a fraud count against WLRK? And allege that the lawyers lied on the bill. Wouldn't that open up discovery to each lawyer's schedules on the dates in question? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46573837) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2023 5:41 PM Author: narrow-minded laser beams 9(b)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#46581336) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 8:35 PM Author: UN peacekeeper (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2...id#49989527) |