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Geoffrey Hinton demolishes Noam Chomsky’s life’s work
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Date: July 26th, 2025 11:53 PM Author: ,.,.,.,.,.,.,..,:,,:,,.,:::,.,,.,:.,,.:.,:.,:.::,. calls him out by name, 5:10-6:20, says his theory of linguistics is just stupid and anyone who buys into it is part of a cult
https://youtu.be/IkdziSLYzHw?si=PYcDdrX3Qm8KB07c
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Date: July 27th, 2025 12:05 AM Author: toll job How does he destroy it he doesn’t even address it. He just says Chomsky’s theory of universal grammar is clearly wrong and behavioralism is clearly right (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2...id#49134015) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 12:08 AM Author: 'What Is It?' an essay by Crispin Hellion Glover jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2...id#49134018) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:35 AM Author: ,.,.,.,.,.,.,..,:,,:,,.,:::,.,,.,:.,,.:.,:.,:.::,. he straight up says anyone who thinks language is innate is both stupid and part of a cult (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2...id#49134102) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 6:27 AM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, i was hoping for a bit more explanation as to why Chomsky is wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2...id#49134160) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 7:09 AM Author: toll job (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2...id#49134181) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 7:52 AM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, altho it did remind me of that observation that scientific paradigms rarely shift by persuasion and mostly shift by the older view literally aging and dying out. (Chomsky's still alive, apparently. holy shit.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2...id#49134210) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 10:04 AM Author: ,.,.,.,.,.,.,..,:,,:,,.,:::,.,,.,:.,,.:.,:.,:.::,. At this point I don’t think the neural net guys are trying to persuade them as much as they are just publicly dunking on them. These guys built an LLM based on their understanding of what language is and it works. Hard to argue with results. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2...id#49134352) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 11:55 AM Author: AdolfHitler88 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2...id#49134547) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 12:11 AM Author: ,.,.,.,,,.,,.,..,.,.,.,.,,. The fact linguists were never able to build anything remotely as capable as ChatGPT (even in narrow domains like translation) should do a lot to diminish their credibility compared to ML people. Why should we believe anything they say? The biology aligns with connectionism too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2...id#49134026) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 8:35 AM Author: cucumbers ..except linguistics is a core part of most AI systems, since its theories and concepts are used to parse text, construct sentences with proper grammar, etc. Also Chomsky himself predicted that the computationally-intense techniques of what eventually came to be known as ML/AI would be the only way to handle problems like translation because linguistics and science in general lack any fundamental understanding of how thought works. So maybe we should listen to what they have to say. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2...id#49134250) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:10 PM Author: ,.,.,.,,,.,,.,..,.,.,.,.,,. linguistics is absolutely not a core part of modern AI systems. they dispensed with linguistic theories and trained powerful function approximators to learn to predict the next token. everything that comes out of it is an emergent property built on data and learning.
"also Chomsky himself predicted that the computationally-intense techniques of what eventually came to be known as ML/AI would be the only way to handle problems like translation because linguistics and science in general lack any fundamental understanding of how thought works."
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Date: July 27th, 2025 5:00 PM Author: cucumbers Uhh if you ask ChatGPT itself if it uses any concepts or theories from linguistics I'm sure it'll disagree with what you just wrote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZB5oVSRmKQ |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 11:47 AM Author: ,.,.,.,.,.,.,..,:,,:,,.,:::,.,,.,:.,,.:.,:.,:.::,. explain your last sentence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2...id#49134537) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 11:54 AM Author: AdolfHitler88 "linguists" is a very broad category. lots of linguists have figured out very useful and cr stuff, like cucumbers said
in general though yeah Liberal Artists are Frauds |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 11:56 AM Author: AdolfHitler88 nobody would have ever known who chomsky was or given credence to any of his "theories" if he wasn't a leftist jew
many such cases |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 12:13 PM Author: 'What Is It?' an essay by Crispin Hellion Glover (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2...id#49134581) |