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I never understood why bands like "Arcade Fire" were popular
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Date: September 9th, 2025 6:39 PM Author: khaki lascivious deer antler church building I was really put off by their look and their fans & I always just assumed you had to be a low testosterone liberal to enjoy them. All my friends were pretty much normie Chad jock dudes & none of them listened to this music
I thought maybe that was unfair so I'm listening to them on spotify now and it's really dull & gay
A lot of indie music in this era was soy cuckcore & it ushered in an era of rap dominance |
Date: September 9th, 2025 6:41 PM Author: Laughsome smoky state toaster soy cuckcore was the whole hipster zeitgeist. it completely vanished overnight, just like grunge and cock rock before it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49248478) |
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Date: September 9th, 2025 6:42 PM Author: khaki lascivious deer antler church building Where did these guys come from. How did we go from nu metal to this? It has to be birth control in the water in big cities (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49248482) |
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Date: September 9th, 2025 6:53 PM Author: Laughsome smoky state toaster it was educated middle class soyboys and feminists who moved to urban areas around 2000, particularly brooklyn. they leaned on irony (trucker hats, tattoos, facial hair) to cover their lack of masculinity and repurposed new wave androgyny (no make up, tattoos, casual clothing) to cover for their lack of femininity. they weren't angry enough for grunge and weren't scummy enough for nu-metal. they just wanted to do drugs and dance (LCD soundsystem et al). as early internet adopters, they controlled the online-cultural-industrial-complex until the iphone came out and gave the power back to normies and their pop slop fuck music. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49248509) |
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Date: September 9th, 2025 7:05 PM Author: Blathering Tripping Brunch a lot of those groups seemed to be taking pavement-style slacker/'indie' rock and merging it with sincere bruce springsteen-style anthemic overtones. it does sound really dated these days. it doesn't correspond to any sort of relevant cultural mood or attitude anymore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49248546) |
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Date: September 9th, 2025 7:10 PM Author: Laughsome smoky state toaster i'd agree pavement is the source material, with their ironic detachment that only trust funders can afford. there weren't any angry scumbagtypes in the brooklyn scene, nor were there many activist political or philosophical poet types. it was just "who cares let's party" with a sprinkling of "MY feelings." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49248572) |
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Date: September 10th, 2025 8:58 AM Author: Fuchsia 180 Background Story Abode yeah but who cares lets party is 180. "political" nonsense is for LOW IQ mos and ruins everything (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49249861) |
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Date: September 9th, 2025 6:53 PM Author: Dun Vigorous Bawdyhouse Lettuce wow, i think i always had them confused with a different band but i am going through some of their songs right now and it's all completely unlistenable. i can't believe how bad it is. they're like the gay millenial transed version of smashing pumpkins (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49248507) |
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Date: September 9th, 2025 6:55 PM Author: khaki lascivious deer antler church building Yeah it's sad cause arcades and fire are both pretty cool things but wow the music sucks shit. And I guess the lead singer got "cancelled" by his lib tribe for being straight & having sex with women so he's done here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49248515) |
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Date: September 9th, 2025 7:05 PM Author: Dun Vigorous Bawdyhouse Lettuce yeah they have a cool name but i clearly confused them with someone else. i thought they sounded sort of like evanescence or soft metalcore. what they actually sound like is LOL and explains a lot about millenials (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49248548) |
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Date: September 9th, 2025 7:00 PM Author: confused dashing hospital All the “indie rock” music from that era sucked and is completely unlistenable now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49248532) |
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Date: September 9th, 2025 7:03 PM Author: trip gay pistol depressive As an urban planning major they were the first band to speak to my people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49248541) |
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Date: September 9th, 2025 7:05 PM Author: frozen balding station I don't really care what normie Chad jocks think. I wouldn't have been friends with them even if I listened to Nickelback and The Calling and Remember the Name by Fort Minor. The Dubya era was really drab in terms of music, it's like the mainstream media decided that no fun was allowed after 9/11. I thank the indie labels for trying to be creative and different. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49248545) |
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Date: September 10th, 2025 9:53 AM Author: at-the-ready field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49249940) |
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Date: September 9th, 2025 9:19 PM Author: cowardly shrine IDC what you think, their first 3 albums were great.
I regret not seeing them in 2004. They played a bar down the street shortly after Pitchfork gave Funeral a very high score. It would have been my best opportunity to see a big band in a small room. |
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Date: September 9th, 2025 9:39 PM Author: Excitant Rose Hissy Fit I lived in Williamsburg Brooklyn circa 2006-2012. Right near the Bedford L stop. Craigslist roommates. You kind of had to be there to get it. I did drugs and sometimes hooked up with mousy 5.5-6s. You had to be there to get it. Arcade Fire, LCD Sound System, the Antlers, Fleet Foxes, Phoenix, Passion Pit, Modest Mouse, Yeah Yeah Yeah’s, MGMT, Interpol, all of it. Late nights. Missing work hungover. It was a scene.
The world is worse off without the hipsters. I want to go back.
OP sounds like the kind of bro who liked to hang out at Dorian’s and Rathbones. |
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Date: September 9th, 2025 9:46 PM Author: Laughsome smoky state toaster i bet it was awesome, that neighborhood was the center of the universe for a few years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49249006) |
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Date: September 9th, 2025 9:55 PM Author: Excitant Rose Hissy Fit Great times man. I miss NY badly but in my 40s now and would’ve been impossible to have a family there. Maybe I just miss being young rather than NY itself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49249030) |
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Date: September 9th, 2025 10:06 PM Author: Laughsome smoky state toaster assuming you're a lawyer, i wouldn't be surprised if we have mutual friends who left for that reason. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49249110) |
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Date: September 9th, 2025 10:56 PM Author: Excitant Rose Hissy Fit I was in-house. The free time and cushy job enabled me to fully enjoy late aughts billyburg but made it impossible to strive for much more than paying rent in NYC for shitty but well located apartments. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49249231) |
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Date: September 9th, 2025 10:52 PM Author: Excitant Rose Hissy Fit My buddy got thrown out and banned after doing coke in the bathroom there and getting thrown out and then sneaking in and getting caught doing coke in the same bathroom again.
He’s in AA now and less fun. Glad for him though. Saved his life. |
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Date: September 9th, 2025 10:54 PM Author: Excitant Rose Hissy Fit I still remember yelling at the bouncer defending my friend and then my other friend telling me that [Jimmy] was clearly guilty and we needed to go somewhere else. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49249223) |
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Date: September 9th, 2025 11:10 PM Author: Excitant Rose Hissy Fit Oh man M83. How could I forget… (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49249271) |
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Date: September 9th, 2025 11:14 PM Author: Excitant Rose Hissy Fit I saw metric at Terminal 5. Fantasies was a great album. Lead singer had legs that went on for days and wore a micro skirt. I still think about it sometimes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49249286) |
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Date: September 9th, 2025 11:17 PM Author: Turquoise Cumskin Agreed 100%.
I went on some OK Cupid date with some chick who had downloaded their album from some random website and thought their band name was something completely different like it was someone who just changed the name to some other band name and we spent the entire date arguing about this while I tried to prove to her that it was actually a band called Metric. She was in Marketing and we had sex. |
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Thanks GC for replacing it with TTTinder |
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But even at the time it felt like it was a hollow shell compared to the 60s/70s.
Were you ever photographed on Blue States Lose? That was one of my highlights of 2005. |
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Date: September 9th, 2025 10:00 PM Author: Fantasy-prone shimmering hell they were one of the best bands of the past 20 years lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49249060) |
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Date: September 9th, 2025 10:16 PM Author: maroon site telephone it's a band for whites, browns like OP wouldn't understand (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49249130) |
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Date: September 9th, 2025 11:26 PM Author: kink-friendly sooty puppy In the case of Arcade Fire, they were really good. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49249343) |
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Date: September 9th, 2025 11:29 PM Author: Turquoise Cumskin Rate the Father John Misty cover of The Suburbs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49249356) |
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Date: September 10th, 2025 9:51 AM Author: glassy chapel 30 Seconds to Mars was bizarre. Leto made his own little religion centered on himself, wearing makeup, screaming into cameras. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49249936) |
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Date: September 10th, 2025 9:54 AM Author: Self-centered carnelian internal respiration I admit I was listening to indie then but wtf were my options really? Scumbags completely jumped the shark and were doing awful shit like "Shinedown" iirc. it wasn't like the heyday of Korn when they were cultivating a pretty cool and edgy gothic trailer park aesthetic. it was just really fucking lame, like a Monster Energy Drink ad or something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49249944) |
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Date: September 10th, 2025 10:25 AM Author: Cerebral bright personal credit line In 15 years you’ll be grudgingly owning up to having *played* indie titles just like you are today with indie music imho. After all, what was there? AAA is to Shinedown…. The State of Music.
Also idk what you’re taking about when Vertical Horizon, Finger 11, and Tool were cranking out bangers, all with Bald frontmen.
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Date: September 10th, 2025 10:27 AM Author: Self-centered carnelian internal respiration Tool were always apart from the nu-metal dreck and sort of the artistic elder statesmen of metal at the time...I think Maynard was literally ten years older than most other frontmen at the time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49250015) |
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Date: September 10th, 2025 10:46 AM Author: Laughsome smoky state toaster the biggest bullshit "band" of this era was animal collective. total garbage "music" that critics completely fawned over like they had reinvented the art form. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49250072) |
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Date: September 10th, 2025 10:49 AM Author: exhilarant skinny woman pit i didn't like animal collective either but they were innovative and generally known for pushing the envelope in the genres that they worked with they were definitely talented. so were arcade fire, for that matter. you don't have to personally like it to appreciate the genius at work |
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Date: September 10th, 2025 11:01 AM Author: exhilarant skinny woman pit this thread is full of the particular type of moral disease that causes one to think that artists make art for them, as another demand-driven consumptive good, instead of for themselves and for the good of their own creative genius this particular sort of thinking is also why we have aesthetically repulsive AI slop everywhere now btw |
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Date: September 10th, 2025 12:25 PM Author: Laughsome smoky state toaster they can make whatever they want, i'm all for it. i don't understand why the critics and ultra hipsters fawned over it like it was the second coming. it was just noisy shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49250305) |
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Date: September 10th, 2025 3:08 PM Author: Turquoise Cumskin Exactly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49250817) |
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Date: September 10th, 2025 3:36 PM Author: exhilarant skinny woman pit i'd have to listen to it again but as i recall their stuff was sonically rich with excellent layering. lot of overlap with the "kid a is the best radiohead album" crowd the lyricist was also pretty talented, but i have no examples to draw on as i didn't love it either |
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Date: September 10th, 2025 11:52 AM Author: saffron garrison the top tier of indie rock from Wilco, the National, and Bon Iver to Grizzly Bear and Spoon filled concert halls and music clubs with joy-- nowadays, there's nothing to celebrate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49250251) |
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Date: September 10th, 2025 11:58 AM Author: saffron garrison you're the self hating dink basement dweller, go fuck urself and quit pretending to be cool (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49250263) |
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Date: September 10th, 2025 12:31 PM Author: Gold nubile karate gunner I remember they had one song I liked but forget the name. Comparing that era to now, it wasn’t so bad. What’s today’s version of that band/type of music? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771453&forum_id=2...id#49250320) |