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Date: July 20th, 2024 11:29 PM Author: useless mint reading party new version
tl;dr: Doritos is fucked
Data analytics firm Grocery Doppio’s “State of Digital Grocery Performance Scorecard: H1 2024” found reduced grocery spending among 97% of consumers who had taken GLP-1 medications — glucagon-like peptide-1 receptor agonists, including semaglutide drugs Ozempic, Rybelsus and Wegovy, prescribed for diabetes or obesity.
Their grocery bills were down by an average of 11%, yet they spent 27% more on lean proteins from lean meat, eggs and seafood. Other gainers were meal replacements (19%), healthy snacks (17%), whole fruits and vegetables (13%) and sports and energy drinks (7%).
Snacks and soda took the brunt of reduced spending by consumers after GLP-1 treatment: snacks and confectionary (-52%), prepared baked goods (-47%), soda/sugary beverages (-28%), alcoholic beverages (-17%) and processed food (-13%).
https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2024/07/the-economics-of-glp-1.html
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2...id#47872426) |
Date: July 21st, 2024 10:22 PM Author: Mildly autistic titillating school
It's fucking incredible how XO thins still think that they "eat healthy" and "make smart choices" that keep them thin, when it's beyond obvious that our eating habits are controlled almost entirely by ghrelin and related hormones.
Do you thins seriously think that fats just one day decided that they would all start eating healthy for no reason?
XO thins are like flat earthers. Totally blind to the overwhelming scientific evidence.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2...id#47876554) |
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Date: July 21st, 2024 10:33 PM Author: Mildly autistic titillating school
OK. I'll speak slowly for you.
Fat people are not fat due to any moral failing. They are fat because their hormones have been evolved to consume food and store fat for times of famine.
Thin people on the website xoxohth.com have deluded themselves into believing that they are morally or intellectually superior to fat people. They have been proven wrong. GLP-1 medications conclusively prove that the only difference between fat people and thin people is hormonal.
Thin people on xoxohth.com are self-aggrandizing dimwits who are completely ignorant about the causes of obesity.
Is that clear enough for you?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2...id#47876599) |
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Date: July 21st, 2024 11:50 PM Author: angry area
he's actually mostly cr. obesity really is mostly determined by genetics. it's crazy but true
your genes determine your hormone production and sensitivity of hormones like ghrelin. basically, some people's bodies will keep telling them that they're hungry, even when they've already eaten enough calories. those are the people who are prone to obesity
it's true that these people can just stop eating, but it's incredibly difficult. it's like not scratching an itch that doesn't go away, ever. it's pretty unrealistic for a human being to be able to indefinitely resist that level of discomfort. it's why people who are prone to obesity almost always bounce back to being fat after they successfully diet
what the ozempic drug does is mess with your hormone levels to make your body think that it's full when it actually isn't. also, it appears to do some other stuff, like actually increase general willpower and executive function in some people. i don't know how that works but it appears to be a real effect of the drug
basically, the government should make this drug virtually free to any citizen who wants to use it. not flame. imo it's the single biggest technological advancement of the 21st century. the benefits to society from completely eliminating overweightness in people are astronomically high. it benefits everyone in the same way that the government building and maintaining roads benefits everyone
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 12:18 AM Author: Walnut private investor
GLP-1 agonists are remarkably effective in mitigating fat loss, but, I think fasting is the CR for fats trying to lose weight.
I'm going to give fasting a shot and if I get fat again, then I'll give GLP-1 agonist a shot. Paralyzing/slowing down my digestive system seems like a last resort type deal.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2...id#47876974)
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 12:59 AM Author: Walnut private investor
I'm a fat too, and I have no qualms or criticisms of you deciding to hop on Mounjaro.
Did you try fasting? What are you doing to mitigate muscle loss?
Do you plan on being on Mounjaro indefinitely?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2...id#47877051) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 11:50 AM Author: Heady out-of-control police squad property
I tried fasting but I haven't been able to stay with it since my law school days which is the last time I had any success with it (and even that was extremely hard).
I regularly do dumbbell work, eat high protein, and have started adding in some protein shakes etc, but the muscle loss is still happening alas.
IDK what the long term looks like in terms of staying on it, I was just reacting to an emergency of like inexplicably gaining 30lbs
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 10:48 AM Author: Mildly autistic titillating school
This is not an either/or situation. You're absolutely right that fasting is an excellent weight loss and weight maintenance strategy.
It's just that fasting is substantially easier for the portion of the population that is genetically wired for ectomorphism. Endomorphs can and do fast, but they regain weight extremely quickly, and it's much more difficult for them because they feel like they are on the verge of starvation when they don't eat much food.
GLP-1 medications make those signals less powerful, and make fasting much more feasible over the long term for endomorphs.
The reason people lose weight on Ozempic is precisely because they are fasting. It's just that fasting becomes as easy for fats as it normally is for thins.
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 12:12 PM Author: Mildly autistic titillating school
Endomorphs are hormonally wired to consume calorie-dense foods because such foods are not commonly available in a state of nature, and a preference for calorie-dense foods is a strong evolutionary advantage in enviornments where calories are scarce.
In the modern world, calorie-dense foods are commonly available on supermarket shelves. Food companies have purposefully engineered the food supply to take advantage of these hormonally-determined propensities.
When a fat person's hormones are modified by GLP-1 medication, the preference for calorie-dense foods is diminished. As a result, fats no longer crave shitty foods. The behavioral change comes about from the hormonal change.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2...id#47878177)
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 5:05 PM Author: Stimulating twinkling principal's office
"wahhhh muh predisposition"
sugar is highly addictive to all people; some of us just choose not to be slaves to our stomach, you noxious landwhale
Respond, fatty: http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2#47879115
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2...id#47879245) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 6:39 PM Author: Mildly autistic titillating school
I'm not particularly interested in engaging with retards on the internet for longer than necessary. I've said my peace. Accept it or not, it doesn't matter to me.
The reality, as indicated by the very post that started this thread, is that the food "choices" made by fat people drastically change the minute that their level of ghrelin changes.
If you wish to bury your head and avoid the obvious implications of these medications regarding the effect of hormones on the human body, so be it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2...id#47879664) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 10:57 AM Author: Mildly autistic titillating school
I haven't blamed anyone other than my own genetic lineage for passing on hormones that would be beneficial for my survival in times of famine, but are counterproductive in our present circumstances.
You were lucky enough to be born at a time when your genetic tendencies, which would have assured your early death due to starvation at any other time in history, serve to benefit you.
I'm sorry that your unearned sense of moral superiority has been destroyed by advances in science which prove that you never had more willpower or intelligence than fat people.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2...id#47877860) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 11:50 AM Author: Mildly autistic titillating school
You might be right that there will be consequences down the road, but so far this doesn't seem to be the case. GLP-1s have been used to treat diabetes for about 20 years with no observable long term side effects. But you can't rule out the possibility of side effects as these drugs enter the mainstream.
To be fair, the known health consequences of obesity are staggering, and like much of life, this decision comes to balancing risks. The benefits of avoiding obesity seem to outweigh the risks we know about so far.
But yes, you're right. The piper might have to be paid one day. But this risk is hypothetical, while the risks of obesity are manifest.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2...id#47878080) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 12:41 PM Author: Stimulating twinkling principal's office
I'm jacked. I've been fat (20% bodyfat, via bod pod) and lean (9%, also bod pod). I'm about 13% right now. All of the body composition changes I have experienced have been the direct result of changes in diet.
While hormones certainly play a part, exercise and diet are the primary drivers of fat loss or storage, and changes in your hormones are often predicated on changes in your diet and activity. Ghrelin, for example, is heavily reduced by the consumption of high protein food, and reduced over time by regular meal schedules. Its secretion is increased when your body accustoms itself to constant snacking and consumption, and high glycemic foods. Fats will indulge in gluttony for 10 years and then blame their hormones, as if they didn't ruin their body and their hormones by being gluttonous pieces of shit -- yeah, no shit your ghrelin and insulin levels are fucked, you've eaten 600g of added sugar and 400g of PUFA in an unbroken 12 hour stream every day for the past decade, with no protein or exercise. Your hormones are fucked because you were a piece of shit, you didn't become one because of your hormones.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2...id#47878279) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 12:45 PM Author: Mildly autistic titillating school
Whatever it takes to placate your fragile ego, loser. Life will be difficult for you when you can no longer rely on your deluded self-aggrandizement to differentiate yourself from the fat people you deride.
It must be difficult to base your entire identity on advantages you never earned.
You might be "jacked" and think that you're deserving of praise for your hours of lifting weights at the gym. Good for you.
You forget that fats routinely walk around carrying around 100+ pounds all day, every day. Your piddly hours at the gym don't come close to the lifting that fats do 100% of the time. Most fats have more total muscle mass and bone density in their lower body than most gym bros.
More importantly, fats have led difficult lives that have taught them to exercise humility, kindness, humor and other virtues that you have never been forced to learn because you've been able to coast on your appearance.
You are in for a lot more social competition from the people you deride. You were born a Brahmin, deluding yourself into thinking that fats are inferior to you because they were born untouchables. This social structure is on the verge of being overturned, and your unearned advantages will no longer benefit you.
Tl;Dr- you mad bro.
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 12:49 PM Author: Stimulating twinkling principal's office
My ego is actually very robust because I walk around in public surrounded by fat pieces of shit and I know that I am morally, physically, spiritually, mentally, and in every other way, thoroughly superior to them. At this point, it would take a lot to undo all of the boosting to my ego that being around fat retards has done.
Also, odd fucking case that you don't actually want to discuss the mechanics of how hormones get fucked up, you just want to use them as a buzzword to make excuses for your lack of self-control! Why are you denying the science?!
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edit: Nice ninja edit, you added everything after the first sentence AFTER I responded.
"It must be difficult to base your entire identity on advantages you never earned."
It's actually very easy to workout and eat well for a long period of time. You could have earned them too. Instead you earned heart disease, diabetes, a slew of other health problems, and the disgust of all healthy people!
"You might be "jacked" and think that you're deserving of praise for your hours of lifting weights at the gym. Good for you. You forget that fats routinely walk around carrying around 100+ pounds all day, every day. Your piddly hours at the gym don't come close to the lifting that fats do 100% of the time. Most fats have more total muscle mass and bone density in their lower body than most gym bros."
LOL, LMAO keep struggling with stairs, your knees would explode just unracking my squat.
"More importantly, fats have led difficult lives that have taught them to exercise humility, kindness, humor and other virtues that you have never been forced to learn because you've been able to coast on your appearance."
No, in fact, most fats are revolting creatures whose hideous appearance simply announces the horrible traits they have, such as entitlement, self-absorption, a total lack of discipline, and a slavery to comfort.
"You are in for a lot more social competition from the people you deride. You were born a Brahmin, deluding yourself into thinking that fats are inferior to you because they were born untouchables. This social structure is on the verge of being overturned, and your unearned advantages will no longer benefit you."
In truth, the same comfort seeking behavior that led you to be a 500lb amoeba will and has manifested itself in all other areas of your life, and you will never be competition for me at anything. I want you to know that you could have earned the same advantages if you only hadn't been so soft and pathetic. It's easy to eat well and workout -- enjoyable, even. You just chose not to.
"Tl;Dr- you mad bro."
Not as mad as they guy who poasted one sentence full of bitterness, and then edited in a screed -- you were stewing about that one for awhile, huh!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2...id#47878315) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 1:07 PM Author: Mildly autistic titillating school
I didn't engage with your nonsense about hormones getting fucked up because it's total quackery, unsupported by science. People are born with genetic tendencies that are exacerbated by the environment in which they live. Most fats who move to other countries lose weight rapidly and keep it off. Sure, some portion of the population wrecks their insulin system and develops diabetes, but this is due to the hormonal disadvantages they have suffered all along.
As I said, and as you freely admit, your ego is bolstered not by your worth, but because you compare yourself to people who have disadvantages that you have never faced. Now that these people can easily replicate your advantages, you will find yourself realizing that your inflated ego is based on self-delusion.
Or maybe you will remain willfully deluded about your own self-worth, which is totally OK. You can remain an emperor without clothes for the rest of your life. Who cares about some nitwit who derives self-worth from the suffering of others?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2...id#47878385) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 4:29 PM Author: Stimulating twinkling principal's office
"I didn't engage with your nonsense about hormones getting fucked up because it's total quackery, unsupported by science."
Then engage with what I said and show it to be "quackery" -- offer forth the real science!
I literally fucking told you what the specific interaction is for ghrelin secretion and diet. I can do the same for insulin if you like, as well as NPY, PYY, CCK, PYT, leptin, and AgRP:
-- Insulin: Insulin is responsible for distributing blood sugar to tissue, and triggers fast storage when there are no other tissues consuming the blood sugar. Physical activity increases insulin sensitivity, high GI foods spike insulin and habitual consumption thereof leads to diminished insulin sensitivity/insulin resistance. Insulin resistance leads to hyperglycemia, obesity, chronic inflammation, cellular oxidative stress, and a slew of heart problems.
-- PYY: Peptide YY is produced in the gut and secreted after eating to curb appetite. PYY is secreted in response to high protein and high fiber diets. Consistent meal times with those diets lead to steady levels throughout the day, and inconsistent eating or constant snacking interrupts secretion.
-- Leptin: Leptin is a hormone secreted by fat, signaling the brain to limit appetite and seek exertion. Leptin secretion is dulled and reduced as a result of chronic overeating, leading to leptin resistance in which it no longer works because your body is accustomed to high levels as a norm. Exercise increases leptin sensitivity, especially prolonged exertion.
-- CCK: Cholecystokinin is a hormone secreted in the small intestine to promote satiety and curb appetite. Secretion is triggered by high fat and high protein diets. Eat less garbage.
-- NPY: Neuropeptide Y stimulates appetite. High sugar intake increases NPY secretion and expression. In short, the more sugar you eat, the less satiety you'll have.
-- AgRP: Agouti Related Peptide stimulates appetite. Its expression is diminished by high-fat diets, and sleep deprivation spikes it. Normal sleep schedule keeps it in check.
These are the primary hormones involved in appetite and fat storage. Every one of them is influenced by diet and behavior. You wanted to talk hormones, now fucking either explain exactly which of the mechanisms I described is unscientific or untrue, or admit that you are just using this as a fucking excuse for being a fat piece of shit.
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"People are born with genetic tendencies that are exacerbated by the environment in which they live."
Show me the fat gene that immunizes you to proper diet and exercise, and obviates all of the physiological mechanisms I outlined above. You're just making excuses.
"Most fats who move to other countries lose weight rapidly and keep it off."
Bullshit. Show me some stats on this, I don't believe this for a fucking minute. I think that they stay fat. Even if people do lose weight because they move, that's a reflection on quality of food, not some nebulous "environment" that acts mysteriously on their genetics to change their weight.
"Sure, some portion of the population wrecks their insulin system and develops diabetes, but this is due to the hormonal disadvantages they have suffered all along."
No, you stupid fuck, they wrecked their insulin system and developed diabetes because of the same habits that made them fat fucks in the first place. Show me the gene that would have caused this even in the absence of high GI food consumption and little exercise over a sustained period of time.
You can't, you're just making excuses for being a piece of shit.
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"As I said, and as you freely admit, your ego is bolstered not by your worth, but because you compare yourself to people who have disadvantages that you have never faced. Now that these people can easily replicate your advantages, you will find yourself realizing that your inflated ego is based on self-delusion."
Hardly! My physique is an expression of my will, and these fats will never replicate anything remotely close to it. My ego boost from seeing the fats is because -- while it's physically repulsive and disgusting to see them -- it's jarring how many people that being fit makes you intrinsically better than. I generally live in a bubble of fit people, but whenever I go out in public it's astonishing to remember how many pieces of literal trash are just floating around out there pretending to be fully human.
But returning to your poast, even after ozempic, they look like skeletal, skinnyfat dogshit -- it gets them nowhere close. Even if they could replicate it, they won't! They've had the opportunity to try to replicate it all their lives, and instead they gorged on garbage because they are weak and have no self-control. The same aversion to discomfort and shitty self-control remain with them, and they are shitty people as long as that's true.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2...id#47879115) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 1:39 PM Author: Mildly autistic titillating school
Oh, and one final point in case you still think you're better than fats:
If your "moral, physical, spiritual, and every other way" existence rests on comparison to fats, then your "moral, physical, and every other" virtue can be replicated by a 5mg injection of a simple peptide.
It's pathetic that you base your entire existence on such trivialities.
Seek help, brother. It's not too late to adopt the ways of our lord and savior, Jesus Christ, who provided fish to the masses, and encouraged his disciples to eat bread and wine.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2...id#47878509) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 4:39 PM Author: Stimulating twinkling principal's office
It can't be replicated by that injection -- they still have the same shitty traits that made them fat, they're just disguising it. They could easily work out, eat well, and build themselves into something worth being. They just don't. That's what made them pieces of shit when they were fat, and that's why they remain pieces of shit.
I base my entire existence on strength, you're spending yours right now making excuses for weakness. I think you're disgusting.
Trying to use Scripture to justify your obesity is maybe the worst argument you've made so far: Phil 3:19, 1 Cor. 6:19-20, 1 Peter 4:3, Proverbs 23, Romans 13:14 -- all condemn gluttony.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2...id#47879155) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 6:48 PM Author: Mildly autistic titillating school
What does the gospel say about the pride, arrogance, vanity, and judgement of others on which you base your existence?
Find Jesus, friend. You'll be happier and more content.
Cheers.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2...id#47879711) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 8:47 PM Author: Stimulating twinkling principal's office
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2#47879115
still no science?
I have zero interest in listening to you try to use the Gospel to backstop your excuses, when God clearly condemns your choices and you have none of the virtues you're extolling -- see: http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2#47878295
God can take my health at any time, I have no illusions regarding that, so strike pride; I won't have thrown it away myself though. Anyone can workout and eat healthily -- this is uniquely accessible to nearly all (especially fats), so strike arrogance. My vanity is only comparative -- I don't look especially good, I just think you look very bad (and I'm right). And the judgment is wholly justified -- I am right to hold you in contempt for your gluttony until you turn away from it.
Now do stewardship and self-control.
You will never be closer to God than when you are willingly suffering through exertion. Go for a run, stop eating, and stop making excuses, disco fries.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2...id#47880211) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 9:11 PM Author: Mildly autistic titillating school
Being done here is a compliment you moron.
I was done with this cesspool years ago.
Back in the day, this place was full of assholes, but at least they were intelligent and accomplished people.
Now it's just a breeding ground for internet addicts with no friends in the real world.
Ta ta, jerkoff. I might be fat, but there is a medication that helps with that problem.
There's no helping you with your mental illness.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2...id#47880319) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 9:32 PM Author: Stimulating twinkling principal's office
no, you're back here. No one ever really leaves, and you came back to get shit on like the fat retard you are.
If this thread demonstrates anything, it's that the reason you left was because you're not smart enough to hang, not because you moved on to anything bigger or better (other than, like, 6XL clothes I guess).
Your poasting itt this clinically mentally ill -- how much self preservation is wrapped up in physically falsifiable retard platitudes with words you don't understand and can't defend? -- mine is just garden variety contempt.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2...id#47880461) |
Date: July 22nd, 2024 12:13 AM Author: Walnut private investor
the weight loss that results from ozempic, visually looks similiar to those who received gastric bypass. They look older, withered, and sickly.
When fats lose weight naturally, they don't have the same gaunt malnourished appearance that the ozempic fatties have.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2...id#47876960) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 12:25 AM Author: Walnut private investor
Primary mechanism of GLP-1 agonist as it relates to weight loss is that it slows down gastric emptying -- food stays in your gut longer and the signal to eat is essentially turned off.
From google:
Gastrointestinal tract
GLP-1 agonists slow gastric emptying, which can delay glucose absorption and reduce appetite.
CNS
GLP-1 agonists can increase satiety by acting directly on the hypothalamus. Studies have shown that people taking GLP-1 agonists may have a lower desire for certain foods, such as dairy, starchy, salty, and spicy foods
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2...id#47876991) |
Date: July 22nd, 2024 5:29 PM Author: crimson awkward organic girlfriend
I enjoy seeing fatdood's return and with the introduction of hegemon we can eagerly await many vitriolic confrontations on this subject.
I also can buy into the argument that some bodies have a genetical predisposition to carry and retain weight, but that never really explains why there is so much weight.
but back to the shopping habits in the article. what happens here? I don't see how the urges for fat people food subsides, even though they consume less of it. fats seem to have a predilection for foods that thin people abhor - heavy sauces and highly processed foods that make thins experience nausea. Does that taste go away from these drugs?
the idea posited above is that their bodies need fewer calories so they stop eating as much junk. but it still seems confusing that they would switch their diets entirely towards lean meats and vegetables
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2...id#47879309) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 6:01 PM Author: Stimulating twinkling principal's office
i do it all for the greatbort
and also because i hate fat "people" almost as much as i hate fags
but mostly for the greatbort
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2...id#47879477) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 7:48 PM Author: Mildly autistic titillating school
Thank you, fulano. Iirc, you and i went a few rounds on this topic a few years ago. I apologize if im wrong, my encyclopedic knowledge of xoxo personalities isn't what it used to be.
It's been a very long time, and I'm not really back. I lurk maybe once a month, and found this thread interesting for obvious reasons.
Any xo poaster who claims superior willpower is delusional. We all know that this bort is toxic and has negative consequences on our mental health. Anyone who can't stop posting proves their own inability to avoid self-destructive habits.
There is something absurd about "jacked" megaposters who waste thousands of hours of their precious life addicted to an html chat bort that outlived its purpose decades ago.
To answer your last paragraph: In my opinion, the food preference changes referenced in the OP come about from the cessation of addiction to hyperpalatable foods. The direct cause of this addiction is ghrelin.
Most fats don't want to be fat. They would prefer to eat healthy foods and be thin. Their hormonal composition makes avoidance of hyperpalatable foods almost impossible.
The taste of the food doesn't change. Cheesecake is just as delicious. You just start feeling sated from healthier foods, so eating cheesecake is no longer as appealing, and fats can easier resist the temptation.
The food industry has knowingly preyed on these weaknesses by marketing hyperpalatable food. As soon as fats get their ghrelin levels in check, their drive for hyperpalatable food simply disappears, and they can better exercise their "willpower" to eat less palatable foods because they aren't subjected to a sense of constant starvation.
Just my opinion.
Nice to interact with an OG. I hope you have been well over the past few years.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2...id#47879952) |
Date: July 22nd, 2024 6:00 PM Author: Umber Liquid Oxygen
For clarification, when we talk about "fats," are we talking about fat people, e.g., 10-15 lbs excess non-LBM, or are we talking about morbid obesity, e.g., 100+ lbs excess non-LBM?
I just want to make sure we're all using the right terminology here.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2...id#47879471) |
Date: July 22nd, 2024 8:15 PM Author: Mildly autistic titillating school
On a related subject, these drugs are not yet widely available, but they are currently undergoing fda approval to be distributed as pills. Within the next 5 years they will be widely available, even to poor people.
The effect of these pills on the demand for shit food cannot be overstated. Formerly blue chip companies like McDonald's, Coca Cola, etc. will go through a period of revolutionary loss of market share until they adapt to decreasing consumer demand.
Short the shit out of these companies and you will get rich.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2...id#47880074) |
Date: July 22nd, 2024 8:42 PM Author: Godawful cruise ship
What a treat to have Fatdood weigh in on this subject. And his victim mindset hasn't changed one ounce in all these years.
This guy has spent untold hours on XO insisting that being fat is 100% genetic predisposition. Some of the XO old heads will remember. XO in turn has often posed the question to him: are there morbidly obese people who a follow a reasonable diet and routinely participate in quality exercise or otherwise stay physically active? As we all know from living in the world, these creatures barely exist in the wild but something like half the country is heavily obese. Fatdood would typically decline to respond to this line of inquiry, preferring to continue braying about unfairness, biology, and his rage at what he feels is the unearned 'moral superiority' of people enjoying a healthy bodyweight.
What a delight to see that he hasn't altered his tortured reasoning. In fact, he has super-sized his bizarre position, now insisting that a drug that simply takes the pleasure out of binging somehow proves the 'science' behind his biological victimhood theory.
As others have referenced, there are heavier people. Surely there is some genetic component to that. There is a genetic component to nearly every physical outcome. Like a true TTT thinker, and frankly, a supremely feminine thinker, he takes this as a simple binary division of all people -- the lucky few who are naturally not obese, and the poor, downtrodden fats who can do nothing to combat their obesity other than suffer unimaginably day and night. There is no in-between; no ground between struggling fats and the smug thins who do nothing differently save pop out of mom with the the cheat code. No heavy person who slims down and stays slim, no person a mere 15-20 lbs overweight, no slovenly obese person who eats their way into medically disastrous straits for any number of reasons. They are all victims, unavoidably thrust into a double-wide early grave by their insurmountable hormones, constantly pressing toward erasure of the organism. Don't leave out the strained bio-evo pseudoscience about how this made cromag Fatdood into the thriving leader of the tribe. The timing is so unfair.
He has always lustily equivocated on the issue of 'willpower' and 'moral superiority.' His hatred for the individuals who supposedly exert willpower is pronounced. Never addressing simple exercise and food choices, he rants and raves that these people maintain their weight and health much like a jellyfish, blissfully unaware and sans one iota of effort. Normal people bask in their unearned pride while ridiculing the 50+ pounds overweight victims who can do nothing to combat their quisling genetics. The thin person cannot possibly watch what they eat, stay active, employ habits and effort to maintain their health. Because these things are meaningless and 'biology' rules all. The 225 solid muscle NFL linebacker knows nothing about discipline and willpower. Nor does the marathon runner. The fat, on the other bloated hand, knows all too well that no amount of these things can make a dent. The thins prance around 'exercising' and 'eating clean' swaddled in a grand falsehood that these things have any long term impact on weight. Another cultural mass delusion.
One of the best parts about Fatdood is that his histrionic female victimhood mentality spilled over into other areas of his life. His TTT education and non-starter joke career -- not his fault! You all should have seen the whining and screeching when his legal job hunt went splat. Lack of success with attractive women? Society, genes, feminazis, yada yada. Oh how the crumbs of outrage and accusation would fly when it came to women somehow not being attracted to a person carrying a mere hundred pounds of blubber weight. Those shallow judgmental cunts! The poetic irony or what have you is that many of his other problems were no doubt amplified or caused by the fact that he is a humongous fatso. Even with society screaming to him that this is unnatural and deleterious, he doubles down, swollen cracked heels dug into the ground.
In the end, even with the big pharma frankenstein cure to obesity at his fingertips, he has gloriously learned nothing. His remains stuffed with self-serving excuses for everything he fails at and finds himself unable to overcome. Even with some retrospective scrutiny, the marshmallow test still holds here. Even without understanding or needing to understand a direct biological explanation, we know that certain individuals do in fact lack willpower.
https://www.socialsciencespace.com/2020/08/the-marshmallow-study-revisited-does-our-willpower-increase-our-likelihood-of-achievement/
In Fatdood's world, there is no willpower. Nobody can overcome anything, nobody can make strides toward improvement, nobody can achieve greatness. Because simply applying yourself is a joke, a nonstarter, a cipher concept to massage the egos of the lucky few people born without demonic genetics. And that is why he's still a fat fuck proclaiming victory on the internet because somebody finally mass-marketed a drug that makes it unsatisfying to eat trash until you're bursting, like a hog, for years on end, until you are morbidly obese and deformed. Only a drug can fix that behavior, Fatdood tells us. Otherwise the fats were all born to die as sickly human beanbag chairs.
LOL, I remember this guy bragging to XO that he was highly active thus proving his thesis. When pressed he proudly announced that his phone said he had almost 10,000 steps and he climbed 13 FLIGHTS OF STAIRS! Of course the 500 calories this burned off would have been immediately shot out of the sky by several bites of whatever his third or fourth snack of the day was. But thins, don't get excited -- that's what we call "biology."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2...id#47880181) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 8:59 PM Author: Mildly autistic titillating school
Half of the shit you wrote here is complete nonsense.
I admit that I have been saying for years that biological components make losing weight and keeping it off practically impossible for fat people. In the past my claim was supported by the fact that 98% of people who lose weight regain it. Now it is supported by the fact that a slight adjustment to ghrelin levels completely changes the "choices" of fat people.
Are you suggesting that fat people all of a sudden started eating lean meats and produce because everyone got disciplined and gained willpower for no reason? You're literally denying what is happening in front of your own eyes.
As for me personally, I have lost over 100lbs 3 times. I've spent more hours at the gym than you could count. You have no fucking clue how difficult that is because you've never had to do it.
I've never in my life bragged about doing 10,000 steps and climbing 13 stairs. I've had to do drastically more than that, over the course of many years, to simply stay overweight but not obese. I've fasted for over a week several times. I've spent 3 hours a day at the gym, for months on end. You have no clue what you're talking about.
My career is doing very well, thank you very much. The fact that I graduated into ITE from a very good law school was a reasonable gripe at the time. My career has gone well, and I have been quite successful since then.
I've never complained about a lack of success with women, and actually I've done quite well in that department, consistently batting out of my league.
Most importantly, I have never once in my life spent time on this website obsessively stalking and demeaning other individual posters.
Get a life, you loser. There's a whole world outside the drama of this stupid board. Touch grass. You'll enjoy it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2...id#47880264)
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 9:15 PM Author: Godawful cruise ship
Among your failed strategies (Prolonged fasting, three hours a day in the gym? Whoever heard of those failing anyone!), I didn't hear "eat a reasonable amount of healthy whole foods and consistently maintain exercise and an overall active lifestyle." Those things also cure morbid obesity, in theory. But as you have maintained for years, it's simply not possible to do that for the 50%+ of people in the USA who are born with haunted lardass genetics. So instead DOA yo-yo diets and week-long fasts to no end are your only options until they roll out the drugs. Goddammit life is so cruel.
Of course, in other countries where people are thinner, those genes must not saturate the population to the same degree. It's pretty weird how the relative unattractiveness, shorter lifespans, and overall lack of success encountered by the seriously obese doesn't tend to eliminate this genetic curse over time. Surely we have a lot more to learn. But at least now we know that a drug that takes the pleasure and contentment out of eating literally insane amounts of calories every single day with no coordinate exercise somehow does the trick.
My friend, if you had spent the effort you invest in deflecting and self-pity and excuse mongering on simply maintaining consistent habits, life would have been better when you were struggling. Acknowledging you are a depressive, slothful, avoidant person lacking in personal accountability is often half the battle for making lasting change in our physiques but I suppose considering that is a digression at this point. You had no choice because 1) it is impossible for you not to be a giant wad of adipose tissue because your hormones are tweaked or 2) you didn't give yourself the choice. Anyway glad you're feeling better these days. Gonna get the shots and go gaunt?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5560655&forum_id=2...id#47880347) |
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