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Date: May 14th, 2020 4:43 PM Author: Exciting overrated theater stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40209831) |
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Date: June 29th, 2021 5:51 PM Author: obsidian provocative clown antidepressant drug I wonder what it's like to work at Kirkland, or Cravath (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#42706695) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 3:25 PM Author: Crimson locus I am a close observer of m&a lit and I think WLRK is the best. Like, if I was a director facing concerning breach of fiduciary duty claims I would want them representing me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40209362) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 3:29 PM Author: Impressive mediation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40209394) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 6:56 PM Author: cheese-eating field lettuce That client's name? Donald J. Trump. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40210574) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 3:08 PM Author: pale comical idea he suggested Damn good. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40209274) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 3:10 PM Author: Honey-headed tanning salon jap Worked across from them on a few deals. Much better than some K&E douchebag. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40209293) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 3:13 PM Author: disgusting space police squad I've been opposite them. It's the same as everyone else's. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40209310) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 3:14 PM Author: obsidian provocative clown antidepressant drug https://news.bloomberglaw.com/business-and-practice/wall-street-nightmare-alive-as-kirkland-poaches-from-wachtell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40209313) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 3:16 PM Author: disgusting space police squad lol @ calling a jew-firm like Wachtell "white shoe" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40209322) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 3:24 PM Author: Abusive lodge haunted graveyard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40209359) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 3:34 PM Author: obsidian provocative clown antidepressant drug what kind of shoes do jews wear? do they even wear shoes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40209415) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 3:34 PM Author: Abusive lodge haunted graveyard jews would never wear white shoes. hard to return bc they get dirty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40209422) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 3:43 PM Author: Swashbuckling Range Hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40209461) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 7:43 PM Author: useless juggernaut french chef Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40210819) |
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Date: September 8th, 2024 9:52 PM Author: Red orchestra pit *Criminally* underrated (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#48064393) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 3:48 PM Author: disgusting space police squad See these white shoes? They mean jews not welcome.
Seriously, white shoe means wasps only no Jews allowed. |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 4:37 PM Author: Impressive mediation what firm would billy "white shoes" johnson work at? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40209787) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 5:31 PM Author: thriller crystalline roommate hello-fellow-white shoe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40210169) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 4:45 PM Author: Cerebral Dull Theatre Mental Disorder they know what's market on everything without even needing to take the 30 seconds to look at ABA model slides! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40209848) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 4:46 PM Author: learning disabled base my company uses them for some stuff and it seems like normal biglaw work product to me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40209858) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 4:48 PM Author: Copper library patrolman Depends on practice area. Lol at people in here talking about cap markets and litigation. Wlrks bread and better is M&A (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40209872) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 5:09 PM Author: disgusting space police squad OH HAI MARTY! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40210024) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 5:09 PM Author: Honey-headed tanning salon jap I did some M&A deals across from them. Partner on my side was a big swinging dick you have heard of and a total asshole. He would get irate all the time because the senior associate leading the deal on the other side pwned him calmly and coolly all the time. I hated the partner so enjoyed it.
It was still pretty hellish though because WLRK team would turn heavy markups back in like a day. Fuckers never seemed to get fatigued. |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 5:14 PM Author: Abusive lodge haunted graveyard >>a big swinging dick you have heard of and a total asshole
tbf, (xo 2020 doesnt even know who marty lipton is |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 5:27 PM Author: Impressive mediation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40210151) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 8:13 PM Author: Crimson locus drunkard used to chat w/ him at 3 am, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40210997) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 9:22 PM Author: olive site If I recall correctly they were kindred spirits. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40211408) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 5:39 PM Author: Massive Elastic Band reading comp? he was across from Wachtell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40210196) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 5:55 PM Author: Abusive lodge haunted graveyard poor RC? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40210283) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 6:19 PM Author: Massive Elastic Band i meant he was across from wachtell. but, poor reading comp by you either way? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40210383) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 6:20 PM Author: Abusive lodge haunted graveyard i know he was across from wachtell. the point is that, (xo 2020 hasnt even heard of marty lipton, so they haven't heard of his BSD partner who was across from wachtell. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40210387) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 6:26 PM Author: Massive Elastic Band ok, fine. poor reading comp by me. your use of the word "even" gives some slight credibility to your contention you were arguing bla bla balla blah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40210415) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 7:48 PM Author: Honey-headed tanning salon jap PEAK BIGLAW BABY (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40210841) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 5:21 PM Author: obsidian provocative clown antidepressant drug they are consummate professionals and untrollable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40210106) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 5:25 PM Author: Crimson locus cr -my experience has been that they have no hyper-aggressive assholes (which are very common in other top firms) and instead are extremely polite and reasonable. a lot of firms will fight you to the death over shit that doesn't matter. with wlrk shit almost seems too nice and easy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40210132) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 6:00 PM Author: trip ticket booth travel guidebook 9.2 and the way it works with 7.6 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40210303) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 5:29 PM Author: Impressive mediation are they RELENTLESS yet also CREATIVE??
https://kasowitz.com/ (the xo thread on this website redesign is one of my fav threads ever) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 5:39 PM Author: Abusive lodge haunted graveyard 180 thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40210198) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 6:34 PM Author: Glittery bistre associate looks like they're trying to sell workout supplements (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40210453) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 7:46 PM Author: Honey-headed tanning salon jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40210830) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 7:10 PM Author: Vengeful pit That’s not true. When I was a first year, I was across a wlrk partner on an NDA negotiation. I did my firm’s standard markup per the guide we were given. Wlrk partner calls me several hours later at like 9pm, blasts me for my heavy markup and tells me to redo the whole thing or else he’s not going to bother reviewing. He didn’t care that my client was an important PE firm vying to acquire his client company. I was still shaking as I wrote an email to my client, suggesting we should just go ahead and accept their original draft. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40210646) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 7:17 PM Author: Impressive mediation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40210687) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 7:23 PM Author: Vengeful pit Nope, tranny. It’s not common except for NDAs where my firm let 1st years run it w/o supervision (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40210717) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 7:49 PM Author: Abnormal Hairraiser Messiness Filthpig Flame, no way any firm let’s a first year do this with zero supervision (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40210846) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 7:54 PM Author: Honey-headed tanning salon jap In an auction first years do it on sell side. But agreed usually (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40210866) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 7:49 PM Author: Honey-headed tanning salon jap Lol out the partner this is an amusing anecdote.
I've outted partners I hate. AK-47 is a real piece of work. |
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Date: May 15th, 2020 8:29 PM Author: Vengeful pit I couldn’t be sure, it’s been over a decade
Someone like this dude maybe https://www.wlrk.com/attorney/jrcammaker/ |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 7:45 PM Author: Honey-headed tanning salon jap Cr. Usual bullshit tactics didnt faze them at all.
It was 180 watching the asshole partner get enraged at this like 7th year asian girl running circles around him while casually browsing Saks. |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 6:38 PM Author: submissive adulterous corner legal warrant "bread and better" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40210474) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 7:26 PM Author: Mewling pervert station aren't they more or less just rent seeking dweebs at this point. they've developed enough cache (like McKinsey) so that CEOs know they can't get fired for hiring Wachtell, but their work is nothing special (like McKinsey). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40210730) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 7:52 PM Author: ruby fighting shrine hairy legs I worked across from them on some capital markets transactions, which was weird. They were assertive but out of their element, wasting a lot of time asking for off market/oddball stuff. I assume much stronger when working on M&A. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40210858) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 7:55 PM Author: Impressive mediation Out of their element? Unless they don't actually have a dedicated cap markets department and they had M&A people moonlighting on a cap markets transaction, I'd assume they're generally as competent and experienced as most other v20 firms in the area. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40210868) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 8:04 PM Author: ruby fighting shrine hairy legs Sorry, this was tax group at WLRK. I’m sure they spend most of their time on M&A. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40210919) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 7:57 PM Author: grizzly 180 piazza feces Capital markets is TTT as fuck brej (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40210876) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 9:10 PM Author: obsidian provocative clown antidepressant drug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40211344) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 7:56 PM Author: Azure university They are both super smart and grinders. Incredibly productive. And they are really lean so the associate sort of does the work of an associate team at another firm. So they are in the weeds which can be helpful to crossing all the Ts.
But do they know anything a cravath lawyer doesn’t know? Of course not.
I do think they are trained to always push for one thing totally off market. Like they always push one thing hard to make it a fight. Otherwise public M&A just goes by a script. |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 7:58 PM Author: Honey-headed tanning salon jap Public M&A is boring. Just measuring who read more precedents basically.
not that PE is "fun" but still. |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 7:59 PM Author: Impressive mediation THOSE AREN'T COMPARABLE! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40210887) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 10:39 PM Author: Lake Twinkling Uncleanness I did a secondment at a place that used them, along with several other firms including my own. Their work wasn’t any better but they were noticeably more responsive and customer service oriented. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40211826) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 11:38 PM Author: Crimson locus what do you mean by "customer service oriented"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40212146) |
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Date: May 14th, 2020 11:40 PM Author: ungodly love of her life factory reset button blowjobs for everyone (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40212156) |
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Date: May 15th, 2020 6:54 PM Author: Maroon Zippy Party Of The First Part Stock Car *calls DLA Piper to ask a question about Section 14(b)(iii)* "Thank you for calling DLA Piper. A customer service lawyer will be with you momentarily. Your call is of paramount importance to THE FIRM and will be answered in the order received." *1999 MIDI version of Pachelbel's Canon in D Major plays as hold music for 45 minutes* "Thank you for calling DLA Piper. This is Vanessa Goldstein-Li JD Esq. speaking. How may I help you today?" "Uh, yes, I'm calling from one of your clients. Could you explain whether the negative covenant in Section 14(b)(iii) prevents the seller from issuing a hiring bonus to a salesperson if they are hired after the effective date of the purchase agreement?" "Have you tried restarting your document?" "I should have gone to Wachtell." |
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Date: September 8th, 2024 9:53 PM Author: Swashbuckling Range Hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#48064398) |
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Date: May 15th, 2020 6:41 PM Author: Maroon Zippy Party Of The First Part Stock Car When the average biglawyer responds to emails at 11 PM on a Friday night within minutes of receipt, how can you be more responsive? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40217016) |
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Date: May 15th, 2020 8:20 PM Author: Impressive mediation average biglawyer responds "We will look into this this weekend. sent from my iPhone."
At Wachtell, you'll have a full on fucking memo on the question at the crack of dawn. |
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Date: May 15th, 2020 10:31 PM Author: Maroon Zippy Party Of The First Part Stock Car Any other job: "I'll check this on Monday." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40218065) |
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Date: May 16th, 2020 9:26 AM Author: pearl splenetic native reading party Greenwald practiced law in the litigation department at Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz from 1994 to 1995. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4534232&forum_id=2...id#40219441) |
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